M-1 Global's Jerry Millen: Fedor Emelianenko is not dodging Brock Lesnar

Business negotiations are always a complex matter.

Business negotiations between the UFC and M-1 Global have at times bordered on bizarre.

But while the two companies recently failed once again to come together and bring Fedor Emelianenko, the world's top heavyweight, to the UFC, the world's top MMA promotion, M-1 Global exec Jerry Millen wants to make one thing perfectly clear: Emelianenko is not dodging UFC champ Brock Lesnar.

"I've been reading a lot of this with people saying, 'Fedor's dodging Brock Lesnar,' that kind of stuff," Millen told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) late Wednesday night. "That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. At the end of the day, Fedor will fight anybody. The terms just have to be fair."

The terms, or rather term – co-promotion between the UFC and M-1 Global – has, at least for now, made this fantasy matchup just that. But Millen is appalled by some of the recent suggestions that Emelianenko and M-1 Global turned down the deal simply because they were afraid of the hulking former professional wrestler.

"Does anybody honestly think that Fedor Emelianenko would dodge Brock Lesnar?" Millen asked. "What does he have – is it five MMA fights now? He's got five MMA fights. At the end of the day, he's more of a pro wrestler than he is an MMA fighter.

"Not to take anything away from [Lesnar], but you've got to remember the UFC manufactured his rise to the top. They gave him a title shot so far ahead of other guys that might have deserved a title shot that if I was some of the heavyweights in the UFC, I'd be upset."

Millen said he does respect Lesnar's abilities; he simply doesn't feel they're on Emelianenko's level.

"Did Brock Lesnar really deserve a title shot?" Millen asked. "Is he a great fighter? Sure. I think he's doing great. But he's got a lot of room for improvement. At the end of the day, Fedor's not ducking anybody."

Money vs. Respect


So if M-1 Global isn't concerned about Emelianenko's chances for success in the UFC, why were company officials unwilling to accept what they concede was a generous offer from UFC president Dana White for "The Last Emperor's" services?

"It boils down to respect," Millen said. "(M-1 Global president) Vadim (Finkelchtein) has been doing MMA for a long time, and he wants the M-1 brand to grow, for profit or for loss. We're in a co-promotion for Strikeforce as a co-promotion. If it makes a profit, great, we all make a profit. If it makes a loss, we share in that loss.

"It's not about the money. If it's about the money, then you take the sure money, and you take it and say, 'This money is a payday that we're going to get, guaranteed, and let's take this payday. There may even be some bonus structures, and it's going to make it a bigger payday.' Or do we take this risk on a co-promotion? Then we can build something."

Millen admits M-1 Global officials have been put off by White's derogatory comments toward them and Emelianenko, as well as the UFC exec's flip-flopping position on the Russian heavyweight's fighting abilities.

"At the end of the day, it's not about money if you really think about it," Millen said. "You can take a guaranteed figure that's probably pretty good. You're going to know at the end of the day what you're going to get. But if you want to grow your company and get the respect that you deserve?

"One minute Dana's saying, 'Fedor is irrelevant; [expletive] him,' and then the next day he's like, 'Oh, he's the greatest fighter in the world, I want him,'" Millen said. "Now he's back to, 'This guy sucks.' So he can't make his mind up. You see what I'm saying? If he doesn't get his way, it's either his way or no way. That's what it boils down to. [M-1 Global] just wants to work somewhere where it's fair."

Who's calling the shots?

Much has been made regarding Emelinanko's relative silence throughout the negotiations. Several observers have drawn the conclusion that Emelianenko is either blissfully unaware of the tension between the two parties or simply a pawn in Finkelchtein's master plan for M-1 Global.

Millen insists that neither scenario could be further from the truth.

"Fedor is part owner in M-1, and Fedor has complete faith in Vadim," Millen said. "Fedor was there in negotiations with the UFC, and he knows exactly what was offered, what was going on.

"Fedor has a big say in what happens to Fedor. Make no mistake, he wants what is best for Fedor, the people around him, his family at M-1, and his personal family. Fedor understands everything that's going on, and he's completely down with it."

Understanding is one thing. But does the heavyweight wield the same power outside of the ring that he does between the ropes? Could Emelianenko make the call on his own to fight in the UFC?

"I believe he could," Millen said. "Vadim and Fedor have a great relationship. It's not manager-fighter. They have a very close, personal relationship.

"I think I'm a pretty good judge of character, and Vadim truly cares about Fedor. I feel like he's really looked out for him, and Fedor respects Vadim. Vadim doesn't manage 100 fighters. Vadim takes care of M-1, has the Red Devil Sport Club, tries to get some younger fighters going, and he has Fedor. I think he has Fedor's best interests at heart. I really do."

Emelianenko and those around him have repeatedly claimed that the one motivating factor that governs all of their decisions is the desire for competition. So does Emelianenko not believe the sport's best competition resides in the octagon?

"Is the best competition in the UFC?" Millen asked. "I don't know. Any given day, anyone can be the best competition. Do I think Brock Lesnar is the best competition for Fedor right now? I don't know. Is he? He's only had five MMA fights.

"There might be another guy out there that deserves to fight Fedor – maybe a guy that's been fighting 10 years that has 20 fights, 30 fights under his belt. Maybe he deserves a shot. Why does Brock Lesnar deserve that shot just because he's champion of the UFC?"

And what about Emelianenko's legacy as potentially the greatest fighter in the history of the modern game?

"I guess that's something that you have to ask Fedor," Millen said. "I can't speak for Fedor, but I can tell you what I think. I think Fedor's already proven his legacy. I was at all of his fights in PRIDE, and I no-doubt saw the best fighter in the world perform."

Door open for UFC, but Strikeforce – and broadcast television – just fine


While it may have seemed the UFC and M-1 Global were within inches of finally bridging the gap between the two companies, in the end it seems the two parties are no closer to reaching an agreement than before.

And while the world may still hold out hope for a compromise, Millen said M-1 Global executives are pleased with their decision to work with Strikeforce.

"I think that teaming up with Strikeforce is a great opportunity for M-1 Global, for Strikeforce, and I think it's a great opportunity for MMA fans," Millen said. "Broadcast television, Showtime, CBS – it's just going to open up to a huge platform.

"I keep saying this: Look what CBS did for 'Kimbo Slice.' Imagine what this platform could do for a true MMA fighter like Fedor. It will blow the sport up even more. I'm excited. I think it's great for the fans."

And if mixed martial arts (and UFC) fans hope to see Emelianenko in the world's biggest MMA promotion, Millen suggests they use a bit of the same tactics that motivated White to substitute Vitor Belfort for Dan Henderson in the main event for September's UFC 103.

"If the fans want to see a Brock Lesnar fight, hey, all they have to do is keep pressure on Dana," Millen said. "Do a co-promotion. They do it in boxing every day.

"We feel we have the best fighter in the world. You feel you have the best fighter in the world. Let's throw them in the cage, and let's see who the best fighter is."

John Morgan is the lead staff reporter for MMAjunkie.com.

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johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:04 am ET
This piece is funny. Is Jerry Millen tested for anything? "Fair terms" "Co-Promotion" don't really fit together.
 

machinegun on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:09 am ET
"Look what CBS did for 'Kimbo Slice.'"

Actually.. Youtube built Kimbo.. and then EliteXC failed by banking all their money on "doing it for him."
Lets hope Fedor doesnt do that to Strikeforce.
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:11 am ET
Jerry Millen should be an inspiration to all of us. If he can get there to where he is now, we all can too! :) No offense to Jerry but he is not too bright, at least with his comments.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:14 am ET
I disagree.

I got to meet Jerry Millen at an M-1 show. He was pretty awesome. Very grateful to the fans.

You can tell he loves the sport.
 

Majestyk1976 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:23 am ET
Oh he is?  Trying to discredit a fighter and the UFC is being grateful to fans?  I think about 95% of the ppl want to see Fedor in the UFC, not Strikeforce. 

Besides, the UFC gave in to some of the demands and Fedor and Co., then Fedor decided to up what they wanted.  "give them an inch and they take a mile."   

Have fun in Strikeforce where their champs fight once every 2 years.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26 am ET
If 95% of the people wanted Fedor in the UFC...then why didn't your almighty Dana White get it done?

Face it people. Dana let you down.

Props to Scott Coker capitalizing on Dana's EPIC failure and bringing Fedor in to watch for free.
 

Majestyk1976 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
When you are running a successful business and it's still growing, why give in to demands that will not help?  Is it really that hard to see?  You can Hate on Dana all you want, he's done more for MMA than you can say he hasn't.  get over it dude. 
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:34 am ET
Get over what?

I'm about to the point to where I need plastic surgery to remove this grin off my face that I have had ever since I read the news that Fedor is in Strikeforce.

I'm loving it more than anyone!
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43 am ET
Id be smiling too if I were you. knowing my favorite fighter/god wasnt about to get ring raped by brock lesnar. Fedor is a joke.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:48 am ET
LOL. You are forgetting St-Pierre and Lesnar in your screen name.

But seriously, like I have stated already once somewhere in here...Fedor was just scheduled to fight the #2 ranked HW in the world. A guy ranked well above Lesnar...not to mention Fedor willingly agreed to face any last minute replacement Affliction could come up with.

So get real. Fedor isn't running from anyone...especially, 5 fight veteran Brock Lesnar.
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:57 am ET
Im not a fan of Lesnar and St. Pierre's style. Both are talented fighters though. Fedor wants no part of Brock. After Brock beat Randy I recall Fedor and his management calling him out and talking all that good sh*t. Then suddenly Brock Smashes Mir and Fedor's last two opponents are shown to be over the hill cans and you dont hear Fedor say anything negative about brock anymore or anything at all for that matter. Before it was brock wouldnt survive the first round, now its "There are good fights for me in strikeforce." are you kidding me? Fabrico werdum? The guy that Santos just literally knocked out of the UFC? Overeem? Please enlighten me, who has he beat? Ever? I recall a bunch of losses to 205er's and Rogers....guy wins one fight over glass jawed Arlovski who hasnt beaten anyone other than Sylvia once...and He's a contender? Fedor = Ducking. Lesnar came to UFC and stated at UFC 77: "I want to fight the wolves." Seems like the only thing fedor wants are has-beens and cans. No Wolves in his future.
 

machinegun on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:11 pm ET
good arguments. well said.
I think Nick's manlove for Fedor blurs his vision from time to time.. to everytime.
The fact of the matter is that Brock's last 3 fights were against top competition. Hell.. Fedor's people were talking about his fighting Randy as being the best fight out there for the fans. Well.. while Fedor was beating up the guy that would soon get onepunched by a 50 year old retired boxer, Brock smashed Randy to smitherines..

Brock might only have 5 pro fights, but you cant discredit the way hes manhandled the top guys in the world, and you have to consider his hundreds of amateur wrestling matches (NCAA).

Sorry Nick, but Fedor wouldn't do much better against Brock than Randy did.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
Don't forget that Brock already lost one of his few 5 fights.

But your arguement is so flawed and skewed it's not even funny.

Let's look at a common opponent in Heath Herring. Brock pounded on him so hard...and disfigured his face so much that the officials had no choice but to stop the brutality.

Yet years later, much removed from his prime, Brock wasn't able to finish him at all...only able to hold him down.

So for you guys to sit there, sip your Zuffa Juice and claim Lesnar would beat Fedor is beyond ridiculous...It makes me laugh.
 

Tileman on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:01 pm ET
[Deleted, abuse of caps]
 

TheEnd on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:09 pm ET
fedor is presumably making a decision as to whats best for him and his company, if its not the ufc, why hate the man?????
 

drc327 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:43 pm ET
Millen is full of crap for many reasons. On in particular is when he stated that M-1 is trying to grow as a MMA company and share in the risk of promoting an event. What risk is there in putting on a UFC event? They all make money. There is no risk involved for M-1 to take. They just want half of something they didnt earn. For the UFC to offer the biggest contract ever in MMA history and concede on every demand but the co-promoting just shows the M-1 and Fedor are idiots.
 

TheEnd on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:02 pm ET
why assume that m1 wants half????  Maybe they only want 10%?
 

CanadianCrippler on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:52 pm ET
Brocks third ever "fight", compared to Fedors how many fights, including sambo? Gimme a break. Give Brock 15 matches under his belt and Herring goes home in a bodybag.

Brock was not trying to finish, anyone could tell that. He was too inexperienced and scared to risk anything. He could not afford his first 2 UFC fights to be losses. Put herring against brock once he has the experience and id be willing to bet Brock gets a clean finish, not a cut stoppage.

I bet you thought Serra beating GSP was beyond ridiculous, but it happened.

But im curious...if M-1 dragged Strikeforce down into bankruptcy and they failed, you still supporting M-1?
 

Stedenko on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:58 pm ET
NICKHAVOK you are high man. Ahhh lets see when did Fedor lose his fight ahhhh thats right it was his 5th fight ohh and do some home work man lmao look at the competition FEDOR faced..............sorry had to take a few mins and wipe the tears from my eyes for laughing so hard. Martin Lazarov,Levon Lagvilava,Hiroya Takada,Ricardo Arona and lmao the loss to Tsuyoshi Kohsaka. DAMN STOP THE PRESS thats some competition.  NOW by all means I HATE Brock with all of my heart,but he has taken a far tougher road. Min Soo Kim,Frank Mir,Heath Herring,Randy and Mir II ahhh come on and quit sucking on Vadim's,Jerry's and Fedor's tit.
 

bigtonybig on Aug 06, 2009 at 10:07 pm ET
You guys are oblivious.  In 30 fights Fedor has NEVER LOST A SINGLE ROUND.  End of discussion.  Save it.  You fail. Go hump your pillow
 

Recerock on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:17 pm ET
If there was no Zuffa juice to sip it would be ten years ago when no one gave 2 shats about this sport, and in ten years from now when its's sanctioned everywhere in the US, regardless of how many promotions there are I guarantee only UFC belts will mean anything... say what you will but it's going to be the truth eventually.
 

awhites1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:19 pm ET
Dude?!?! what are you talking about? he only fought heath herring once and it wasn't a ref stoppage he won by. You talking about Frank Mir maybe? and even then your commentary on it is retarded and not even worth mentioning
 

rush16 on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:38 pm ET
LOL Nick lets be honest here, Herring never had a "prime", hell he might even be a bit better now then he was back then. And yes Brock didnt finish Herring but he did dominate him and he did alot of damage, plus that was his 3rd fight. Im not saying Brock is better then Fedor, Im just saying Brock would be a threat to Fedor, especially given time.
 

DAHAOLESNAKE on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:18 pm ET
agree with 99% of what you just said man... all except the randy bit... if i recall randy was holding his own and in my opinion was winning that fght till he got caught by brock massive catchers-mit of a hand.... i dont neccesarliy like brock lesnar, or the way he was put in line for the title so quick but you cannot discredit the mans wins... a "w" is a "w" no matter how you look at it...
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12 pm ET
Oh well. Sorry you disaprove of Fedor's competition in Strikeforce.

But there are 2 immediate top 10 talents there for Fedor to fight. Overemm at #7 and Rogers at #8...ranked ahead of Carwin at #9 and Velasquez at #10.

Not to mention Werdum is just a win or two away from cracking the top 10 and Lashley is still floating around virtually unsigned.

If SF could get him...then they have an immediate answer to Brock Lesnar. Both will have a huge amatuer wrestling champion who's name was forged in the WWE.

I mean, whatever Brock can do...Lashley can do too.
 

ST33L3R on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
Brock is on another level than Lashley right now. (the guy who decisioned Jason Guida?)
 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:25 pm ET
brock went to dec with herring@!!!!! what the figgin differance!!!
 

ST33L3R on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:35 pm ET
Herring is a legit Heavyweight Guida is not, (have you seen Guida's Record)
 

ST33L3R on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:37 pm ET
Guida is not even comparable to Herring
 

mmaelite177 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:40 pm ET
You mean besides Guida actually being a 205'er?  That is a bigger difference than Brock over Randy
 

jrvanhook on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:37 pm ET
Guida couldn't make 205 if he cut off a leg, maybe once upon a time he was a 205er but not anymore.
 

JVeezie on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:27 pm ET
Thank you Nick. Can you pass the Zuffa juice?

Well said as always Havok.
 

iowaFightFan on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:40 pm ET
I just took a BIG GULP of the Zuffa Juice, and let me tell you something.......IT TASTES DAAAAMMMMNNNN GOOOOD!!!


Cannot wait for this weekend, UFC 101 and WEC!!! Those bastards at Zuffa are horrible......2 great shows in one weekend?? Those assholes.......
 

MullaJW on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:11 pm ET
Haha...too funny.

SF just eminates a crumb catcher org. I don't care for their production or their key matchups. But if it's free I must watch!

I would like to see Fedor take Brock out but sometimes you can see the result before the process even begins. Brock is a freakish man and would win that match 9 out of 10 ten times. Give him a basic wrestling background and then Fedor wins 9 out of 10.
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:41 pm ET
No fighter, in the UFC or not, has had a harder past 4 fights than Brock. With the only exception possibly being Thiago Alves. Mir x2, Couture, and Herring. Better than HMC, Slyvia, Arlovski, haha Matt Lindland. Better than Pulver, St. Pierre, Stevenson, & Sherk. Better than Cote, Leites, Irvin, and Henderson. Better than Thiago Silva, Ortiz, Sokojou, and Evans. Better than Serra, Fitch, Penn, and Alves. So to discredit him because of his record only shows that Fedor is scared. Why should Lesnar have to fight 10+ cans to be considered as top challenger to Fedor? Just because Fedor's record is full of them? I mean I dont see anyone calling for Silva to fight Vera, Hammil, Coleman, Bonnar, Cane, Cantwell, and Jardine before he fights Forrest Griffin. If you got the skill to beat the best the fight the best. FFS dont waste years of your life and career with pointless fights like a 230 lb russian puppet of Vadim's did.
 

manta on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:00 pm ET
rashad, t. silva, ortiz and sokoudjou is an incredible streak to emerge from, not only undefeated, but finishing 3 of em in the process. add to that penn, franklin and bonnar, all early in his career, and machida's finished 4 of 6 very dangerous fighters. add on top of that 9 more wins in a row. i think machida trumps lesnar in this particular case, my friend. just those first four names alone.
 

Smada962 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:18 pm ET
agreed, not to mention he didnt in arguably the most stacked division in the UFC
 

DAHAOLESNAKE on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:27 pm ET
just curious, but does either overeem or rogers have any kind of ground game at all? i have never seen either one of them on the ground.... man if these are the top 10 rankings then heavy weights are in need of some new talent... maybe a few off of the Ultimate Fighter will freshin things up i hope... i just have a hard time seeing overeem and rogers there...i think lashley once he gets a few more fights (exposure) will be in the mix of top 10 that guy is a beast... even though i dont like the WWE guys trying to come MMA but if they have the talent then good luck...
 

november05 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:25 pm ET
For once use your own MMA logical knowledge and throw the rankings to the side.

Overeem should quit being discussed. Most people on this site have never even seen him fight. (Its been that long) People who have only saw highlights of him being knocked out by Chuck over and over again on spike T.V and you know how Chuck has looked lately so easy on comparing past Heath Herring to present Heath Herring. Fighters change. If not for constant gossip on Overeem I guarentee no one would bring his name up in these forums. As for Rodgers...Really??? He knocks out a bum like AA and all of a sudden he's a contender? The guy used to knock people out in the parking lot of his tire store like Kimbo Slice or something. Finally Werdum??? HAHAHA. Fedor is awesome and I agree with that and maybe the UFC HW division isn't great right now but Dana would continue to stack worthy comp up against Fedor in the future and I'm just not sure SF will be able to offer anything other than UFC wash outs.
 

J_Right on Aug 06, 2009 at 8:27 pm ET
Nick for someone who thinks he know's so much about mma you know jack-sh*t. You can't say whatever Lesnar can do Lashley can do like they are the same fighter. If that was the case he'd be in the UFC fighting top comp instead of betting slow ass cry baby freak shows like bob sapp and a decision win over Jason Guida is just pathetic. Lesnar would have destroyed guida in all of 30 seconds to 1 min time. So stop jerking off to Fedor picture's and pay attention to what your saying. You and your little group of Fedor circle jerk followers that boost your ego so you think what your spewing is smart or as they say.... well put Nick Havok or..... well said Nick Havok. You guys sound like some sort of mmajunkie *** cult . Just go to sheerdog man more people may actually agree with you there. Then all your posts will be part of one big *** forum orgy.
 

jnoblin on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:35 pm ET
I really don't understand the comments that Tim and Arlovski are has beens.  Tim is 24-6.  Yeah he has lost his last 3 fights but look at them.  There is no shame in losing to Fedor and Nog.  There is some shame in the loss to Mercer but when you fight a boxer, flash knockouts are always a possibility.  His only other losses were to Randy, Mir, and Arlovski, all for the heavyweight title, in the UFC.  I'm not a fan at all of Tim's but I still don't think he is a has been or a can.  Arlovski is 11-6.  In the last 7 years he has lost to Fedor, Tim, and Brett Rogers. Fedor and Tim were both for titles, and there again, Rogers is a heavy hitter who could be a great fighter.  Oh, and he also has twice as many fights as Lesnar, so he is a crafty vetran with a TON of experience.  

Look I like Lesnar a lot.  Hell, I am a wrestling coach and both of my sons are wrestlers.  I respect him and his MMA accomplishments.  He is the UFC champ fair and square without a doubt.  I didn't call him a can or joke after he lost to Mir when Mir was just 2-2 in his fights coming back from a long lay-off.  I also like Fedor a lot.  He has done amazing things against some great opponents.  You don't have to hate him or try to discredit him just to like Lesnar.  I am excited that they are both going to be fighting in the states and that I get to see all of it.  My personal opinion is in one way I am glad they are not fighting because I like both of them.  It is kind of like when they put Rich Franklin against Wandy.  I really didn't want either to lose.
 

Jak on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:42 pm ET
As for Tim Sylvia, it is easy to argue his Monson and Vera fights were also crap, in fact every fight he has had since he first became champ along time ago has been crap. which leads to being a has been.
 

nyfighter on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:46 pm ET
Just cuz he has a good overall record does not mean he is not a has been. Thats like saying the 49ers are still a good team or the chicago bulls or one of the best teams in NBA. Yea he had a great career but what did he do now lose, looking at the whole picture is overrated.
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:48 pm ET
The question isnt so much as who they've lost to but who have they beaten? Outside of each other? Sylvia has beaten Rothwell and a natural 205'er in Brandon Vera (who he couldnt finish). He got beat up by a retired 45 year old Randy Couture, a 50 year old boxer in 9 seconds, and Fedor and Nog and Mir. Id say the bad out weighs the good. Arlovski holds one win over Rothwell and Werdum....With losses to Rodgers, Fedor, Rodriguez, and Rizzo. Again the bad outweighs the good. These are two guys that are suppose to be at the prime and peak of their careers and Neither one can remember what the second round of a fight looks like. In Sylvia's case the second minute of a fight.
 

jnoblin on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:32 pm ET
Well I get 3 responses from people trying to discredit Fedor's opponents.  Why do you have to bash one fighter just because you like the other.
 

TJpitbull on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:18 pm ET
I dont think that they were trying to bash fedors opponents.  I think they were just stating the truth!  TS and AA are has beens! TS has always been a joke, and AA's jaw is to soft to fight to HW compition! Lesners compition on the other hand has been top tier for all of his 5 fights! that 5 more top fighters than Fedor can says he's fought. I like Fedor too, but i really wanted to see brock knock his head off!
 

jnoblin on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:55 pm ET
I'm real proud that you know how many fights Brock has, but to say that Min Soo Kim was top tier with his 3-6 record is funny and you obviously have no idea about Fedor's record if you say that he has not fought 5 top five guys. 
 

Hawk_i on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:45 pm ET
It seems to me that Fedor is willing to fight Brock in a cage, but Dana will not let Brock fight Fedor unless it is 100% under Dana's control, so how is Fedor the one dodging the fight?
 

Niv on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:44 pm ET
Hang on a second do you really believe Brock's rise to the top of the UFC wasn't manufactured? He was given Frank Mir as his first fight and most believed ahead of time Mir was washed up and would lose. He almost did lose so the UFC brings in a washed up Heath Herring who's style should really pose no problem to Brock. Brock comes out dominates him, but also shows huge glaring holes in his game as he shows no sign of knowing how to finish. Then Randy Couture comes out of retirement and a year and half layoff to fight Brock. Brock wins against a huge name and this solidifies him as the best.

But wait a second, if Couture's last win was against Tim SYlvia and it took him a five round decision to do it, why can we not see that Couture is washed up? Fedor took 36 seconds to put away Sylvia and he gets nothing but hate for it, what am I missing here?

I'm tired of reading all this hate about how Fedor didn't do it for the fans, well what has the UFC done for the fans? They stopped Randy Couture from being able to fight Fedor, they apparently filed a cease and desist order against the Babalu vs Mousassi fight and now they come out and try to slander Fedor as a fighter and Strikeforce as an organization. When are you guys going to wake up, the UFC doesn't care about the fans so stop pretending they do.

I love MMA, I'll be watching the UFC this weekend and the WEC as well, but that doesn't mean I won't support Strikeforce any other organization as well. MMA fans have a long way to go before they seem to grow up it seems.

I also would like to know why the UFC can't set up a Brock vs Fedor fight in a co-promotion. If Bob Arum and Golden Boy can co-promote huge PPV boxing matches why can't the UFC? They supposedly care about you the fans, don't they? If Brock is so dominant and unbeatable why don't they get it done and kill Fedor's career in one swoop? I sense a dilemma here for some because they know their manufactured champ would most likely lose that's why.

The fans have nothing to do with this and if you believe the UFC offered the terms that were leaked I have a bridge in a desert for sale.



 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:22 pm ET
gettem nick i with you, i think that fador getting experiance in a cage where elbows are not allowed is good i would hve loved to see him in the ufc but not at the expence of his business. i think that fador is just as smart of a business as dana if not smarter.....
 

rush16 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:36 pm ET
What? This guy cant even generate more then 300,000 PPV buys with 3 shows. Fedor is awsome, but M-1 is a joke, kinda like a leech that will suck the life out of Strikeforce.
 

Slade24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:38 pm ET
He may not be running, but M-1 is. The simple fact is they can't afford to have Fedor smashed by Lesnar if they are actually trying to further their business in America. So far M-1 is 0-2 in partnerships. This is probably their last shot. The myth of Fedor has taken a huge hit over the last couple of weeks. They're doing damage control now.

And....It makes no sense for Dana White to partner with someone. If you don't understand that, you have no business commenting on MMA. It means you're just trolling.
 

wolvie on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:46 pm ET
hes an idiot he was gonna get all the publicity for m-1 they could announce him being with m-1 he was gonna get to where his m-1 close   bring his banner    but they pussied out   and the rankings arent crap look who they got at #1   look were they had tim after his last crappy and losing 4 fights and he was still ranked as a top heavyweight which of course after being washed up fedor kicks his ass and everybodys  he beat a ufc champ which he didnt tim was not the ufc champ former and let go same with andre   fedor aint gonna be able to prove nothing until he goes to the ufc.
 

Ccarter on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:47 am ET
To call out Brock for only having 5 fights is absurd.

Throw him Lindland, hong man choi, mark coleman a couple of times and i'm sure he could pad his stats.

Heck throw in Aoki for an exhibition and let him toss him around a while.

Fedor's record is a joke. He's beaten maybe 4 top quality opponents. Tim Sylvia, Arlovski, Cro Cop, and Nog... the rest of his "experience" is straight up canned tomatos.

Fedor is good... but he IS dodging lesnar in every sense of the word.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:52 am ET
He's beaten maybe 4 top quality opponents. Tim Sylvia, Arlovski, Cro Cop, and Nog...

And calling Sylvia and Arlovski top quality opponents is a stretch... I look at his reign in Pride as more impressive than what he has done since...
 

ST33L3R on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
"There might be another guy out there that deserves to fight Fedor – maybe a guy that's been fighting 10 years that has 20 fights, 30 fights under his belt. Maybe he deserves a shot. Why does Brock Lesnar deserve that shot just because he's champion of the UFC?"



Lesnar has defeated good competition in Mir, Coture, and Herring Maybe Fedor should stand in line for a shot a lesnar
 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:27 pm ET
wow wee you are a weird mma fan!!
 

TheNooch on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:51 am ET
You mean you'd rather have him in Strikeforce than UFC?  Why?  I don't think Dana let us down either.  I would've liked to have seen Fedor in the UFC, but I also realize that Dana isn't an idiot.  He has said it all along...If you fight for the UFC, then you don't get to go all over the world and fight in other orgs.  This has applied to EVERY fighter.  He wants to create UFC fighters and give legitimacy to the UFC belts.  It's the right thing to do by a mile.  It's the reason that the UFC is growing as a brand.  It doesn't have to be built on the win-loss record of any individual fighter.  It's brilliant.  It seems a s though most fail to recognize this.  What if Fedor goes into Strikeforce and gets crushed by Overeem, and then Overeem goes back to fight in Japan???  Not good for Strikeforce in the least.  I'm sorry, but I simply do not see where you are coming from.  I think you may be a guy who simply wants to be unique in his preferences, if for no other reason than just to do so.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:06 pm ET
One thing I have noticed while posting here... some Havok claims to love MMA but hate Dana White as if White is the worst thing to happen to the sport... thought this sport would be NOWHERE as popular without White... so it leads me to be believe that Nick Havok believes he is the ultimate (pun intended) MMA fan because he "knows about beefs" way back when... and is pissed off because MMA is starting to gain household name status...

So yes he can blame Dana for bringing a ton more fans into this sport over the last ten years...

Nick Havok... General of the D-Bag Elitest Army... how does that title fit?
 

jrvanhook on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:45 pm ET
his point is mma has grown in spite of Dana, not because of him. I agree with a lot of what he says, though not everything. I along with many others believe mma has gone as far as it can go with a guy like Dana as the face. He's brought just about all the tough guy idiots into the UFC fanbase, now we just need someone who appeals to average folks who don't sport barbed wire tatoos around their biceps and wear t-shirts that are at least three sizes too small. An advocate for the UFC that used logic and reason instead of intimidation would be a welcome change for this mma fan.
 

manta on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:14 pm ET
logic and reason instead of intimidation

like how a lovingly logical t-shirt man challenged dana to a reasonable fight in the cage? face it, dana's a douche but the UFC could not have got where it is without him.
 

DenverMMA on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:45 pm ET
Nick Havok actually watches and loves the UFC.  I can't pin point the login ID, but I know that he use's an alias when he's talking and raving about the UFC.  He also compliments Nick Havok a lot when under his alter name.

Nick Havok is only his version of the UFC's Bad Cop.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:14 pm ET
Incorrect, sir.

I only post under NickHavok.

I'll never come back under another name. I'll leave before I change it.
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:08 am ET
 Look at that integrity people. Isn't he just a shining example of an MMA fan to which we should all strive?  He is better than all of you in every way and your opinions can never hope to mean as much as his. Tremble at the awesome might of the online personality that is NickHavok...........there...that is the post you have been waiting for this whole time...now you can go away.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:06 pm ET
One thing I have noticed while posting here... some Havok claims to love MMA but hate Dana White as if White is the worst thing to happen to the sport... thought this sport would be NOWHERE as popular without White... so it leads me to be believe that Nick Havok believes he is the ultimate (pun intended) MMA fan because he "knows about beefs" way back when... and is pissed off because MMA is starting to gain household name status...

So yes he can blame Dana for bringing a ton more fans into this sport over the last ten years...

Nick Havok... General of the D-Bag Elitest Army... how does that title fit?
 

chadMMA on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:19 pm ET
And more fans means more quallity fights!
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:34 am ET
Actually there have been a few articles released stating that the true reason Dana couldnt get it done is that Zuffa and the Fertittas cannot co promote with shady organizations because that would enable the nevada gaming commission to go through their business practices, and possibly illuminate anything sketchy the Fertittas have been doing, which i'm sure is quite a bit.  And since M-1 doesn't seem to be the most "squeaky clean" promotion out there, the UFC cannot agree to co promotion.  and i think M-1 knows that.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:39 am ET
...speaking of accessing the UFC's financial records.

Did you guys hear that Mark Cuban has purchased bonds in the UFC?

He can now access those records.

wow.

...and amazingly enough, there is an 'Ultimate Weekend Preview Show' set to come on this Friday night on HDNet.

Hmmm....I wonder where this will lead....
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40 am ET
I think i may be the only person besides you thats happy to see fedor in strikeforce and not the ufc
 

chiggz on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:25 pm ET
Nah theres a few of us actually :P Quite a few actually. One thing to remember about MMA Junkie an their posters is they were originally called UFC Junkie and had nuthing but [deleted] attracted, although that is startign to change.
 

iowaFightFan on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:14 pm ET
The only person on this site that I would say is a [deleted] is JustMe. I joined the site when it was called MMAJUNKIE, I love all of MMA.

Just because most of us dont share a retarded hatred for the UFC, and Dana White (The man responsible for you even being able to watch MMA and post on this site at all), doesn't make us [deleted] , it makes us greatful.

Learn some respect. It's not always cool to be different just for the sake of being different....
 

jrvanhook on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET
why don't you leave the opinions of others alone.If you want to make an argument that's cool but just tearing down opinions is pointless.

Dana is an easy guy to hate, pointing out what he has done for the sport everytime a negative post about him comes up is going to be a full-time job for a staff of about twenty.

 

iowaFightFan on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:01 pm ET
I disagree.

I wasn't disagreeing with an opinion really, it was more just referring to the ignorant comment that gets thrown around by Nick Havoc and his team of UFC Haters....."UFC NUT HUGGER".

It is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why do I even have to justify why people enjoy watching the best promotion out there, with the best fighters in the world, putting on the best shows? Why would anyone not want to watch something like that, if they truely enjoy MMA?? Give me a break.....


And yes, there are things about Dana White some people don't like, but that was irrelevant to my original post. He has done more good for the sport than bad. Without him, there isn't much of a spaort at all.....
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:22 pm ET
I don't use the term nut-hugger...No, sir.

I use the term Zuffa Juicer.

I swear I sent a memo out to my team about that...
 

TJpitbull on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:34 pm ET
I never agree with you. i love the UFC and think that Strike force and any other org that tries to challenge them will fail....BUT you are one funny dude! and i love reading all peoples replys to your posts!

Zuffa Juicer = Hilarious!!
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:15 am ET
 I think Iowafightfan made a great point, but instead of addressing his comment you make some backhanded comment, which is typical. So what is the problem with liking the best promotion out there? Why does this make us Zuffa juicers? What is wrong with us wanting Fedor in the UFC? Ask you "team" to get on those questions and also ask them to put in some  overtime this weekend to get that bug out of your ass you have with Dana..........you sound like the squeaky wheel that wants the oil with all the Dana and UFC bashing.
 

phxaz on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:20 pm ET
Add me to the list of people happy with the Fedor/Strikeforce deal.  On a different note, why wouldn't Couture finish up his current contract and come over to Strikeforce to fight Fedor, I think it will happen.  Another fighter who would do the same thing, Cro Cop.  That's two more great fights I would like to see.  So, basically we lose on not seeing him fight Lesnar, but can still get pretty much every other fight I would be interested in seeing.
 

VanillaGorilla4Life on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET
Ok we'll put all you guys names on the list of people who don't want to see the best fight avaliable & who don't care to see the sport of MMA grow. At least we knowwhere your loyalty lies. You just want to se Fedor keep fighting cans and fade off into obscurity, well looks like you got your wish.
 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:48 am ET
That is why they were able to host UFC 103 in Dallas
 

Spuentes21 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
What makes you think becuase Cuban purchased Bonds he has access to financial records?  You know less about finance than you do MMA and you don't know much about MMA!
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:59 am ET
You are wrong, sir.

They very cleary stated he could on InsideMMA.
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET
Yeah thats actually the reason Cuban bought into Zuffa... Nick, while mostly being trollish, knows his sh*t.  Ill give you that
 

Slade24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:17 pm ET
Although he get's to see the financial information he can't do anything with it since he can't comment on them publicly. This is most likely a good faith gesture to Zuffa so he can secure the rights to show footage on HDNET. Even Cuban knows getting the UFC on the network is key.
 

bullyblues33 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35 am ET
nick i disagree with most of the things you say (your mostly trolling) but u are an idiot if you really believe that fedor not being in the ufc is danas fault. who in there right mind would sign over a billion dollar company just to get one fighter? how much sense does that really make?? get real
 

gmd on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:54 am ET
I agree, he is very ignorant and stubborn.
 

kyler on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:03 pm ET
Great point.  The difference is Strikeforce handed over the farm because they have nothing to lose.  They saw an opportunity and like a monkey in mid air grabbed any branch available to them.  They are desperate to get a peice of pie dominated by the UFC.  Props for them for going for it.

The UFC however does not need to make such risks.  They are a rapidly growing company.  The fact that they compromised at all in negotiations speaks volumes to Dana's sincerity when he says he cares about what the fans want. 

My prediction... Fedor will fight more chumps.  Strikeforce won't be around in 2 years.  Fedor will go down in history having an asterix next to his title of best p4p.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
Props to Scott Coker capitalizing on Dana's EPIC failure and bringing Fedor in to watch for free.

So Coker putting his company over a barrel for M-1 is capitalizing on Dana's epic failure of not co-promoting with M-1... do you read these posts before you click that button?
 

machinegun on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET
no.. i think it all comes from a random nonsense generator.. shaped in a heart with Fedor's name written all over it.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:10 pm ET
I wouldn't be surprised if the other side of the box has "Dana touched me when I was little" written on it.
 

Musa622 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:46 am ET
After the first set of negotiations, I felt Dana was being way too strict. This time? He gave them everything, except a co-promotion, which is an absolutely insane request given the UFC's and M-1's relative statuses.
 

gmd on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:54 am ET
Are you being serious right now? Dude dana tried I like him more now for him trying... but co-promote with M1 is just stupid! I don't care for Fedor as much now.
 

chilepepper99 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
You got it all wrong: It's not that the UFC and Dana didn't sign Fedor, it's that Fedor didn't sign with the UFC. The UFC made him an offer and he refused. It's not like Dana could get Fedor in a headlock and force him sign the contract.

In the end, it's all on Fedor's shoulders on who he signs with. Strikeforce didn't force him sign with them, he chose to.

Good or bad, that's just the way it works.
 

mmajason on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:30 pm ET
Almighty Dana white?  Dana let us down?  Jeez havok, get off Dana's jock!! For someone who hates dana white and the ufc so much,  they sure are in your mouth a lot.  Fedor wanted nothing to do with actual competition, if you truely wanted to face the best, he would have signed with the ufc...period.  He's been following second-rate promotions since pride went under so he can fight middleweights, has-beens, and side-shows.  Enjoy watching him in strikeforce, you'll probably only get to see him 1-2 times before they go under like every other promotion he gets involved with.
 

nyfighter on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:35 pm ET
Dana did not let anyone down. He tried everything execpt the co-promotion. Co-promoting is ridiculous, Millen said they would take loss and profit, copromoting with UFC only equals to profit. If i was Dana White i would never allow half of my company for one fight just for a fighter. He was stupid for comparing it to boxing because its completely different. Don King did not have a boxing league, just represented fighter. The UFC is a league, a company as well as a promotion. NBA wouldnt give half its business for lebron, NFL wont give half its business for Tom Brady, Microsoft wont give half its business for a step up in computing. M1's demand for copromotion is plain stupid and those who accept are plain stupid. And i know Fedor isnt dodging fights, he actually has no say  unless they copromote because he is under contract with M1. Hopefully that contract finished off early next year and we could see fedor in the UFC round late summer 
 

chadMMA on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:58 pm ET
Dana is the man! Two weeks ago I was a HUGE Fedor fan.
He does not want to fight the best in the world PERIOD.
So alot of fans are loosing a little respect for him.
Dana offered him the most luceritive contract in MMA And gave him everything else he could ever want except the co promotion. and on that note I am done talking about this crap.
And Nick you'll be the one eating your words when Fedor fights Jose Conceinco
 

propst01 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:14 pm ET
[deleted, insults]
 

paulleon1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:42 pm ET
FAN is short for FANATIC and therefore not reasonable. Obviosuly you are drinking the Fedor Koolaid if you are trying to argue that Dana White offering Fedor over a million per fight is "letting the fans down." I would rather pay to watch Fedor fight Brock, Cain or Shane. Fedor vs. Overeim or Arlovski again or Butterbean. While Brett Rogers would be slightly interesting, that is the only FREE fight worth PAYING MY MONEY IN MY TIME to watch.

Fedor is a tool of M1. If his focus is business then he should understand that  him wearing an M1 shirt and having M1 gear on at a UFC PPV event will get him 100 times as much promo as being a CO-PROMOTOR for a Strikeforce show that, unfortunately, only a handful of fans are going to watch. No disrepsect to SF. I am pumped to watch Carano vs. Santos and Babalu and hopefully Diaz but they are not the UFC, especially in the Heavywieght division.
 

spinit123 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:52 pm ET
I don't like Dana one bit and love seeing him get screwed.  But Fedor not coming to the UFC is not on Dana at all.  The entire UFC franchise is not worth Fedor coming to the UFC.  Dana gave in on demands like Sambo, and yet M1 came back with more.  You can't sacrifice everything for one fighter.  Every smart business man understands that. 
 

KWhite86 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:07 pm ET
NickHavock if you think that DANA dropped the ball on this FEDOR deal ? then you need to go back and check ur facts because DANA AND UFC offered Fedor EVERYTHING they offered him more money than any mma guy is getting at the moment(and just for those who dont know the one mai nreason randy couture left UFC last yr is because he was all pissed off about hearing the rumours of how much money the UFC was going to offer Fedor n he got all pissed off n left) aside from money they offered him an instant title shot...they also said he cud wear his M-1 crap anytime he wanted and as much as he wanted on his banner on his gear w/e pretty much the only thing DANA didnt do was bend over and let M-1 take over UFC n become a partner n control them cas they have ONE Good HW Fighter...and if anyone in danas position took that deal...theyd be the dumbest person on the planet....oh and by the way NickHavoc you saying that ur super stoked Fedor signed with SForce ?? shows me ur not a TRUE MMA Fan cas any true or hardcore MMA fan wants to see the BEST fight the BEST so we know whos the man and who isnt..and Fedor going to Strikeforce to fight abunch of nobodies...is pathetic
 

abc0331 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:18 pm ET
Dana did'nt let anyone down.

Fedor's greedy little team let everyone down.....again.....

Its okay he will kill strikeforce and Nick will still be blaming it on Dana White, not Fedor "the organization killer"
 

awhites1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:08 pm ET
Dana failed to bring in Fedor, sure you could make an argument for that, one that I don't agree with but you might could make a point. He sure as hell did not fail to screw up the UFC brand though by letting some sh*tty brand come in and try to take its money and ride its tail.
Screw m-1. UFC is for the pro's and UFC doesn't need them coming along and running things with them. You don't see NFL promoting w/ AFL or CFL, XFL. THE DEAL DIDN'T MAKE SENSE!
 

massconfusion on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:38 pm ET
If Dana would have copromoed with m-1 it would have been the dumbest move in mma history. What would m-1 bring to the table other than fedor. Answer: NOTHING! except fedor. Why in the world would anyone do such a stupid business deal? The name m-1 is toxic to me, like cancer, why would the UFC want to be linked with that. And by the way I think you give Dana too much credit, Lorenzo is the real giant behind the curtain nowadays. Dana is still the public face and mouth.                  
 

MisterMecca on Aug 06, 2009 at 6:23 pm ET
say what you want, the UFC isn't going anywhere, if you think Fedor will not be the UFC, you are sadly mistaken. when he gets upset by someone, he'll have to come on over to get his name back, you can't build a legacy beating good fighters, eventually,  he's going to have to fight some great fighters. and thats when Dana White will be waiting.
 

mahoviak on Aug 06, 2009 at 8:11 pm ET
your incessant bashing of Dana White is getting really, really old.  you are like the i didnt do it kid: your 15 minutes have come and gone, and its time to come up with some new catch phrases.
 

flashdode on Aug 07, 2009 at 12:21 am ET
I thought all the pride huggers were gone???  M-1 thinking that the UFC should co promote is insane!  Fedor will fight the cans in every other organization while the UFC puts the best fighters in the cage.  And yes I'm one of the 95% and I have nothing but respect for Dana and his recent attempts to get Fedor.
 

hood2169 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35 am ET
The champs in the ufc dont even fight twice a yr, So you dont have a clue what ur talking about. And im one of the 5%, if doesnt have to be in the UFC, Why dont ppl bitch about Dana White not letting Brock just fight Fedor in any org. Bc he wants all the money, greedy is hell. If the UFC will do Randy C over they will anybody. Thats why Dana let Randy fight Brock is bc he knew there was a chance that Randy would lose and destroy his image, and then they would get a big payday. Which both happen
 

SuWoo14 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:16 pm ET
calling dana greedy yet M-1 is trying to do the same thing?..build a successful business..and i don't think co-promoting with M-1 is a necessity for the UFC at the moment..and i'm assuming you put Randy C because you don't know how to spell Couture..
 

november05 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:46 pm ET
ummmm......what UFC champ didnt fight twice this year??????? Penn-ST.Pierre   Penn-Florian   St Pierre-Penn St. Pierre-Alves  Silva-Lietes  Silva-Griffin  Evans-Griffin   Evans-Machida  Lesnar-Couture   Lesnar-Mir 2
 

mack on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:43 pm ET
He's not smoking anything.  He's working for M-1 so he has to say what he has say.  Does he believe everything he said? prob not.  Same goes for Dana White.  I remember at one point the UFC HW division was a joke but he said he had top guys there....so it's just for promoting purposes.  Plus he could never admid Fedor is the top HW in the world when everyone knows he is.....

Sorry Millen, Copromoting with the UFC is all about the money and M-1 is not getting it.
 

Lickitysplit on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:57 pm ET
He is not discrediting anyone! He is telling it like it is, Brock Lesnar has five fights, and though 4 of them were quality opponents he has had 5 fights! Randy in contrast has had at least 24 fights. Fedor 31, Nougeira well you get my point. How can you know what Brock Lesnar is yet other than big and powerful, with impressive wrestling. Lesnar has a ways to go before he joins the established HW ranks, but he is on a good pace.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:24 am ET
Do you just love everything that is non UFC?
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:27 am ET
I love MMA.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:29 am ET
I love MMA too... that's why I want to see Fedor - Lesnar
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:36 am ET
Like I said, you have Dana to blame for that one.

He completely failed you.
 

MikeyRoss on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40 am ET
I don't think Dana failed anyone. Why would the UFC help M-1? They don't need to risk anything. If anything it is M-1 who failed us with their lack of confidence in their promotion without Fedor.
Don't let the chip on your shoulder about Dana get in the way of coherent and logical explainations Havok. I know you have it in you.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
Dana didn't fail me...

Dana is a smart business man... hence the reason UFC has been around and in the for front and Strikeforce has been on the back burner as an MMA org the whole time of their existence... even slowing down their shows to a crawl for a while there... now they sign one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive fighter in MMA... a fighter that is not as marketable as his M-1 cronies believe him to be... or they would have two defunct orgs in their past working on the 3rd...

Actually Coker is the one who failed in this... because co-promotion with M-1 is the kiss of death for an org... just give it sometime...
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Fedor failed me. Not Dana. I praise Dana for all he tried to do. I thought Fedor was a competitor. Guess not. P4P I think it Goes Silva, GSP, Machida, Torres, Penn, then Fedor now that he doesnt want to fight anyone worth his time anymore.
 

gmd on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:55 am ET
Nick I take it you don't work on Wednesdays? am i right?
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
It's kinda creepy that you ask...

But yeah. I work on Wednesdays.
 

gmd on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
Naw I just didn't see a million posts yesterday
 

ST33L3R on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:20 pm ET
LOL VERY TRUE
 

Roxinius on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:41 pm ET
tbh nick is nothing more then a troll and only comes out from under his bridge when fedor is mentioned how the hell can u blame dana for not landing fedor thats just retarded with what the ufc offered him for him to turn it down was stupid and im happy the ufc didnt decide to co-promote that that sh*t house mess known as m-1 global they are a damn parasite how the hell do u try to put on a show in cali and not get a permit how stupid can they be well god bless strikeforce i wish them luck but they are making one hell of a mistake co-promoting with m-1
 

smth416 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET
Why does anyone even pay attention to this troll? He's obviously just trying to piss everyone off- do you REALLY think he feels Dana While "let us down"?
I like a good argument as much as anyone but this is a joke
 

MikeyRoss on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
Too bad he can't structure a coherent thought and seems to be rambling like a moron. Instead of defending the M-1 choices he attacks Dana and Brock Lesnar, all because other sources such as media and internet forums have observed that it seems like Fedor is ducking Brock.
 

mma365 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:06 pm ET
dude your like 12..and you traveled across seas to see an M-1 show and was lucky enough to meet and chat with this guy...........get the F out of here
 

PhitePhan on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:36 pm ET

I got to meet Dana at a WEC recently. He was pretty awesome. Extremely grateful to the fans.

Shook every hand, signed every autograph.

You can tell he loves the sport.

(Now, does that change your opinion of him nick?)

 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:47 pm ET
Hells no.
 

mmafanforeva on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:56 pm ET
ur the first person ive ever seen that liked jerry millen, even among zuffa haters. what does that tell me?
 

SuWoo14 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:03 pm ET
I agree..youtube did it for Kimbo and i have only seen fedor fight on youtube..i've never paid for an affliction card or anything..well see what happens : /
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13 am ET
Awesome article, Junkie!

Jerry Millen just echoed everything I have been saying the past week or so!

I feel vindicated now :)
 

bsam1983 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:22 am ET
I agree, Fedor's not dodging Brock he's dodging the whole UFC HW division...F that guy and M-1
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26 am ET
So you feel vindicated because som M-1 lackey echoed your blatant UFC hatred... way to validate yourself, Havok...
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
Jerry Millen didn't say anything negative about the UFC. Nor did I.

...nothing that isn't 100% true anyway.

And Jerry Millen has been around MMA long before M-1 was around. A lackey he is not.

...besides, if he was a lackey, than why is MMAJunkie writing up a big ass article about him and what he has to say?
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:33 am ET
...besides, if he was a lackey, than why is MMAJunkie writing up a big ass article about him and what he has to say?

The guy was holding a press conference about Fedor... M-1 could have sent ANYONE and Junkie would have written an article on it... So a lackey they sent.
 

aarondramp on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:34 am ET
Being vindicated by Gary Millen isn't a good thing. Just check out what Bas had to say about him:

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/bas-rutten-exposes-gary-jerry-millen/
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
Haha!

I know. Bas has a hard-on for the guy.

I knew about the beef years ago.
 

mmajason on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:33 pm ET
"i knew about the beef years ago"

You and all your inside info.
 

MMACrossfire on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:37 pm ET
Sure you did.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:39 pm ET
Come on MMACrossfire.

You have been around long enough to know that I did.

:)
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:33 am ET
 I always thought it was just you being sarcastic and joking.....but you really do think you're hot sh*t for posting on an MMA website don't you?
 

tww1313 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:46 pm ET
maybe because if it has"you know who's" name in the article it will get a bunch of hits. Thats all everyone talks about, its like a soa opera, Fedor isnt doing anything that i care about. We have Silva moving up a weight class because Dana wants the fans to see him.Forest has the chance to take out one of the best, what else do you want Dana to do.
 

MMArco on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:33 am ET
lol Nick

I've just realised what a troll you really are
 

MikeyRoss on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
Really? He was born under a bridge.
 

Heavyxdx on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:39 am ET
The only way fedor would fight brock lesnar is ina pro wrestling match ....he's scared
 

ILtroop on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:28 pm ET
I used to like Fedor and I still think that he is a great fighter despite all the cans that he has fought.  I'm not sure what would happen in the Lesnor fight nor is anyone else who tells you that they know how it would go down, there are just to many uncertainties.  M-1 Global is the one who really dropped the ball with this whole thing and ultimately they will pay.  I truly believe that some Fedor is going to get caught and Brett Rogers maybe that guy.  Probably someone else, because I think Fedor is smarter than to stand with a guy who has great standup and a suspect ground game.  I only say suspect because I have never seen it, nor have I found anything written about it and I have looked.  I think Fedor will LOSE and it will be by some can that catches him, heck Fujita almost did it once.  Some guy that will have nothing to lose throwing haymakers could be a mark of imperfection on his career. 
 

immyaxl on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54 pm ET
Millen is scum, Fedor will never be in the UFC . M1 has declared war on the UFC and Strikeforce will pay the price for this. If anybody remembers the monday night wars from the late 90's in pro wrestling, we are about to see the same thing in MMA .
 

commonnow on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:24 pm ET
i like fedor but this is just bull now. he is just trying to keep his "greatest fighter" rep and the ufc has the fighters to mess that up for him. by the time he comes to the ufc and looses people will say he was past his prime. so whatever, ufc will be fine with or without him.
 

IronJawJake on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:26 pm ET
Yeah, I'd love to hear his idea of what fair is, I bet it isn't far off from Dana's (coughbrocksfourthmatchcough*), but that's why they lost out on a UFC deal, they didn't know how to counter a business man much like themselves, they should have gotten really creative with advertisements and then made sure a few M-1 based fighters could win a few in the octagon.
 

scartissue on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:25 pm ET
Yea we noticed-No ducking going on here-LOL!!!!
 

machinegun on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:04 am ET
M1 lost all my respect when they said that "negotiations had to be give and take" then when the UFC gave on the Sambo tournaments, in ring promotion of M1, and TONS of $$, M1 gave nothing.
 

fretwork on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:20 am ET
exactly
 

megladon on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:21 am ET
You are 100% correct. The UFC was Flexible.....M-1 WAS NOT.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:24 am ET
Was Strikeforce just more flexible then?

...or just smarter?

Either way...Coker got it done. Dana didn't.

Boo-Hoo for the UFC :)
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:28 am ET
WTG Coker...

What's that?

Oh its the sound of Strikeforce gagging on Fedor's contract....

Oppp... let's just throw it in the pile with Bodog and Affliction...


 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
Either way...Coker got it done. Dana didn't.

More like Coker got coked and owned by a dying M-1 company who killed affliction.
 

IronJawJake on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:17 pm ET
Josh killed Affliction, Tom got it up to that point of relying on Josh, M-1 might not kill Strikeforce, but after the early end of Affliction, anything is possible I'll admit.
 

gmd on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
Nick Strikeforce isn't as big or ever will be as the UFC. They co-promote because they both actually benefit by the deal. Just stop.
 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:32 pm ET
if strikeforce and m1 can profit than why couldnt m1 and the ufc profit!!! by your own admission it is profitable to co promote!!!
 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54 pm ET
Clearly Affliction didn't profit from M-1.

We'll have to see with SF.
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:57 pm ET
Oh they would profit. But heres the difference. Lets say Profit = X amount of $. UFC self promoting = 100% X (with or without fedor) UFC Co-promoting = 50% X M-1 =50%X (just for having one fighter on the card) which in all reality = Bullsh*t. :)
 

pitbull17 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:00 pm ET
Ok here's the problem with your question, the ufc makes how much in ppv revenue every time they have a ppv? Without your fedor in it, so if you put him in there with his incredible drawing power, how many more people does he bring in for you? Not many judging by his track record in the states. So why in hell would the ufc take what they would have made on there without him in the ppv and spit it down the middle? Makes no sense for them, really doesn't make sense for anyone if you think about it.
 

dangerfield on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:04 pm ET
its only profitable to co-promote with someone who is close to your level in business terms other wise any profit or success made will be uinfairly distrubuted.

to weak guys lift a table and they're equally weak their gonna share the laod.

I get the worlds strongest man to lift it and I drag my arse and take the joint credit, it's not profitable for him.

Or some other metaphore.

its bussiness seriously take a deep breath imagine its anyone but fedor and the ufc and realise that co-promotion with a company with no money or name recognition is co-promotion in nothing but name.

All win no loss for M-1. Nothing for the UFC.
 

grim_reaper on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:01 pm ET
We'll see who is smarter in about 1-2yrs.  M1 has a lot of baggage and Strikeforce is taking on too many big potential payouts for their shows.  They rarely break even for a card let alone make more than 100k on a really big card.  Too many of their fighters making too much right now to put good cards together.  Last Challengers is proof that their traditional nobody cards will not generally profit.  Fedor will blow that completely out of whack because realistically they cannot pay him more than 300-350 max and hope to break even for a card and that is if they get about 15k for attendance.  My guess is he is gonna actually get 400-500 now (based on what Shamrock was making) and that pretty much guarentees a loss on every card he headlines unless he is the only fighter on the card.  Now you know why Fedor is not fighting on the 15th...they would lose big time money if they put him on that card with what they have already committed to payout and they are not comfortable with taking that loss.  Well, get used to it.
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:39 am ET
 You know the reason that the UFC cannot go 50% on shows with M-1 for one fighter....and if the truth were known, if you owned the UFC and were responsible for its well being you would not make such a foolish choice as to co-promote with a fledgling promotion with nothing to offer but one fighter........at least we always know what side of the fence you will fall on though.
 

keylock on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:04 am ET
Guy is the world's biggest d-bag.  Seriously, on the scale of Bill O'Reilly or Ann Coulter.  Not that I disagree that Fedor's the best HW in the world and can do whatever the hell he wants (frankly, I don't care who he fights...MMA is so much bigger than 1 guy).  But honestly...he's the Jared Shaw of M-1, but douchier.
 

bp on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:05 am ET
It's going to be fantastic when Fedor retires and we never have to hear about M-1 again.
 

bgdg62 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:07 am ET
Sounds like  a desperate scramble to save face.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:31 am ET
Great to see a sports organization with spin doctors...
 

stinkypinky on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:07 am ET
lost a lot of respect for Fedor
 

ReDx on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:08 am ET
I wonder if he knows co-promotion means more than just plastering your name everywhere and taking half the profits.
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:08 am ET
I respect Fedor but Jerry Millen has no business attacking Brock's rise to HW champ. If he is so tough, why doesn't he get in the ring? Fedor is great. Brock is good in his own right. But M1 seems to be in lala land, first claiming that the UFC is not a great organization as they are not "global" and now Brock is a prowrestler more so than being a fighter. Please. That's the stupidest thing I have heard. Brock is a fighter. He may not be a super great fighter but he is a fighter. Jerry Millen on the other hand is bad for MMA.
 

machinegun on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13 am ET
agreed.

They're using this "only 5 fights" thing as an excuse..
because HE IS DODGING LESNAR.
The reality of it all is, during the span of Brocks 5 fights, hes faught much better competition than Fedor has over the same timeframe.

I find its funny that hes so high on the boxing model, because the practice of picking and choosing cookie cutter opponents is just what makes boxing such BS 90% of the time.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
Fedor was just scheduled to face the NUMBER 2 ranked heavyweight in the world...and even agreed to face anyone that Affliction put in front of him on late notice.

Why the F would he duck Brock Lesnar?


And the five fight thing is very relative.

Brock has 5 fights...Fedor has beaten 5 UFC champions...see where I'm going with this?
 

Majestyk1976 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:25 am ET
Did he beat them in their prime and inside the cage where elbows are allowed?  Oh that's right, you meant "former" champions..... fought in a ring.....  big difference.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:44 am ET
LOL! What a tired and stale arguement you make. One I have refuted and disproved almost daily.

I mean how quickly you forget about Nogueira.

Fedor owned him twice in Pride. Years before he was ever wearing UFC gold.

Kinda blows a hole in your whole 'ex-UFC champ' arguement doesn't it?
 

JP on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
Nick hate to break it to you but you never actually prove anything. All you do is state your opinions which 90% of the time most of us disagree with. You addresses one of the fighters in Nog, but what are your explanations on the others?
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:07 pm ET
Only that he kicked their asses too.
 

JP on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:10 pm ET
Yes he did, but that was after they had passed thier primes and title days. I am not arguing that Fedor is the best HW in the world because at this moment he is. I do however think that Lesnar could beat him. I wouldn't say I think he would beat him but I certainly think he is capable of it. If they fought today, I would probably pick Lesnar to win a decision.
 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:37 pm ET
ufc fanboys are soooooo sweet... boy i think that is the only thing dana has done right cashed in the yuppie card and got a bunch of 2 yesr mma fans to flood good mma sites with his prasies and bow at the alter of complete stupidity!!
 

iowaFightFan on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:38 pm ET
Coming from you, this seems to be a compliment. You calling people stupid is like a 400 lb man calling people fat..... it is laughable at best.

Keep hating the UFC all you want, just dont let me catch you buying those PPV's, or watching them in the bars, or watching the great shows that are FREE on SpikeTV, because that would go against all your mindless crap you post on here!! (That goes for Nick as well, but he knows he is a dumbass though!!)
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:29 am ET
Barnett's ranking may've been a bit "inflated" so to speak.  The mere fact is that Fedor at this point in his career has nothing to prove, and so he made a business decision, not a mma-based decision.  I can't fault him, and he's still going to face tough guys in Strikeforce, but i think Fedor d*cked with the fans on this one, and we all have the right to gripe about it. 
 

TheNooch on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:55 am ET
Record is irrelevent.  Brock is the UFC HW champ.  fedor has never fought a current UFC champ.  See where I'm going with this?
 

hegone1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:09 pm ET
bingo
 

bentex on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:41 pm ET
that like saying that eli manning won the super bowl so he is the greatest quarterback ever.... it makes no sense.... your boy is a rookie.... and you betting all your chips on him and when he falls i casnt wait till all you fan boys are singing that rogan song of what ever dana tells him to say!!! gl guys ill be here if you need consolment for yalls loss!!! 
 

AndersonPennMachida on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:02 pm ET
In what logical world to any real MMA fan is Josh Barnett the #2 Guy in the heavyweight Rankings? He's a victum of circumstance is all. Nog lost to Mir and Arlovski lost to Fedor while Barnett was beating up Gilbert Yvel? Im sorry but I cant rank Barnett at #2 on anything. Because that leaves no room for Cro Cop between him and Fedor. And how can you rank him above someone that, no matter how hard he tries, he simply cant beat? 0-3 for Josh Baroids.
 

megladon on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:23 am ET
I couldn't have said it better. You are correct.
 

El_Kazong on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:32 am ET
"because HE IS DODGING LESNAR.

The reality of it all is, during the span of Brocks 5 fights, hes faught much better competition than Fedor has over the same timeframe."

Really? In my view the reality is that Heath Herring is way past his expiration date and Brock couldn't finish him. Mir is definitely a legit win, but that just makes them 1-1. We won't even talk about Min Soo Tomato-Kim, and even though Randy isn't washed up in my opinion. He is the best (read safest) possible opponent for Brock.

Yeah, that's great competition. "Hey Brock, how would you like to fight a straight wrestler that you outweight by 60 lbs., hasn't fought for over a year, and has traditionally had problems with bigger wrestlers..." Big challange huh?

Randy should have walked out with a big f**king bow wrapped around his head, because that was the biggest gift fight of all time.


 

melo_104 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
how can anyone say fedor is trying to duck lesnar? anyone who has seen fedor fight knows there is no way he actually think he wouldnt beat him..this whole "fedor only fights cans" BS is really getting old and its just peoples way to let of their anger about fedor signing with the ufc..the guy was the pride champ for like 4 years, when pride was the elite mma org in the world..he beat a whos who of heavyweights, nd the guy fights cans? im sure guys like big nog nd cro cop (who fedor beat in their PRIMES) would disagree..anybody who thinks brock wouldnt get knocked out by fedor within 5 minutes is outta their mind and need to get off the ufcs nuts nd leave fedor n his management alone..all this backlash against them is just giving them more confidence that they'll eventually get dana n the ufc to give in
 

melo_104 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
fedor NOT signing with the ufc** my bad
 

JP on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
Pride was not the elite MMA organization in the wolrd. It had the best HW division at one time(or at least about 5 of the top 10 guys), but the other divisions were as a whole stronger in the UFC during the heyday. The only other weight class that was even close was LHW or MW as it was called in Pride.
 

Majestyk1976 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:16 am ET
Exactly.  Besides, we've seen Brock pretty much man handle some pretty good heavyweights in the UFC.  I don't think Fedor is dodging Brock, but just wanting to take care of themselves.  If that bad at times like this?  I'd say no, but it might cost Fedor fans and in turn $$$ in the end. 
Oh and Millen, UFC is starting to go global. 
 

El_Kazong on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
"Jerry Millen has no business attacking Brock's rise to HW champ."

I agree with you that Brock is definitely a legit fighter, and that the Pro-Wrestler comment was way off base. But he's right that Brock didn't deserve a title shot when he got it.

Seriously, 2-1 and he's fighting for the belt?!? What kind of crap is that?
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26 am ET
But that's not the point. This is not boxing. Brock got his chance and won. I understand people want to pay their dues but some people get 3 title shots after 30 fights and still dont' win.

And it's not up to Jerry to decide whether it's fair or not. It's up to Zuffa. Fedor fighting Zulu, Hong Man Choi and guys like that. Did they deserve a shot at him? How about Tim Sylvia? Why did Tim Silvia deserve a title shot?
 

El_Kazong on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:44 am ET
"But that's not the point. This is not boxing. Brock got his chance and won. I understand people want to pay their dues but some people get 3 title shots after 30 fights and still dont' win."

Who said anything about boxing? The point isn't that he won Captain Obvious, it's that he was given a title shot for marketing reasons over having earned it.

Hence he didn't deserve the title shot.

"Fedor fighting Zulu, Hong Man Choi and guys like that. Did they deserve a shot at him? How about Tim Sylvia? Why did Tim Silvia deserve a title shot?"

Zulu was part of a tournament format and wasn't fighting for the belt. HMC was also not fighting for a title. Still didn't deserve to fight Fedor, but the Japanese do love a freakshow...

Sylvia was looking pretty good in his last two UFC fights, at least he was trying to finish Vera and Nog, which was everone's big beef with him at the time. Plus people had been talking about that fight for years. He was a legitamite opponent regardless of his performance after the fight.
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:59 am ET
Sylvia looked good? You are kidding right? He lost 2 Nog via submission. How does that make you a contender? How about Arlovski? Beating Ben Rothwell suddenly makes you a contender or No. 2 in the world? Those rankings were inflated by Affliction folks. Barnett was the only legit top 3 heavyweight and he was on juice.
 

El_Kazong on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:28 pm ET
"Sylvia looked good? You are kidding right? He lost 2 Nog via submission."

Did you actually watch the fight, or just look it up on fight finder? As I clearly stated, everyones beef w/ Timmah at the time wasn't that he was washed up, it was that he wasn't trying to finish fights.

He may have been caught by Nog, but he was looking good before that, and more importantly he was going for the kill. Not saying that makes him deserving of a title shot, just saying what I meant by him looking good.

"How about Arlovski? Beating Ben Rothwell suddenly makes you a contender or No. 2 in the world? Those rankings were inflated by Affliction folks."

No, but being on a 5 fight win streak vs. the likes of Rothwell, Nelson, Pe de Pano, & Werdum makes for a pretty good case.

It's sure as hell better than Lesnar's whopping 1 fight win streak that got him a title shot...
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:01 pm ET
Listen. I like to agree with you but you are too biased. Sylvia against Vera and Nog was nothing to write home about He by no means even deserved a shot. This guy was dominated by Randy Couture. And the only reason he fought for the title was due to the hwd being so thin.

Arlovski. I am a big fan. But a guy who loses twice to Arlovski, beating Nelson when the referee saved him on the ground, Rothwell (OK not great). I think the first shot should have gone to Barnett. Arlovski had the potential to be a force but his chin went missing. Sylvia was never great. Mir broke his hand, Couture dominated him. Nog submitted him. I am not saying Lesnar deserved it.  I am just saying your argument is flawed. No one but Barnett or Couture deserved a shot at Fedor. And I just don't get what all the fuss is about. So he didn't deserve his title shot. Are you saying he is not the champ? That's ludicurious.
 

El_Kazong on Aug 06, 2009 at 6:00 pm ET
"Listen. I like to agree with you but you are too biased. Sylvia against Vera and Nog was nothing to write home about He by no means even deserved a shot. This guy was dominated by Randy Couture. And the only reason he fought for the title was due to the hwd being so thin."

How exactly am I biased? I never said Timmah was the #1 contender, just that he was a legitimate opponent. I had him ranked around #8 at the time of the fight.

"Arlovski. I am a big fan. But a guy who loses twice to Arlovski, beating Nelson when the referee saved him on the ground, Rothwell (OK not great). I think the first shot should have gone to Barnett. "

I agree 100%

"I am not saying Lesnar deserved it." 

You said: "Jerry Millen has no business attacking Brock's rise to HW champ"

I said: "he's right that Brock didn't deserve a title shot when he got it."  

So if you agree, then why are you arguing?

"I am just saying your argument is flawed."

Go back and read these posts again. My argument was that Brock didn't deserve a title shot with a 2-1 record.

You're the one who brought up Sylvia & Arlovski. My only point about those two guys is that people are looking at things through hindsight and making them out to be much worse opponents than they actually were.   

"No one but Barnett or Couture deserved a shot at Fedor."

I too wish they could have set up either of those fights. We all know that the Couture fight would have happened if there was any way they could put it together. As far as why Barnett didn't get the shot then? I have no idea, but outside of those two who would've been better at the time than Tim/Arlovski?

"I just don't get what all the fuss is about. So he didn't deserve his title shot. Are you saying he is not the champ? That's ludicurious."

Once again our hero Captain Obvious goes off to battle with his arch nemesis... The Strawman!!!

Sorry for the sarcasm. But seriously, did anything I said even insinuate that I didn't think he was the champ? No. Saying he didn't deserve the shot doesn't mean he's not wearing the belt.

However, I'm not going say he's the best HW in the world just because he has the title when it was handed to him on a silver platter...
 

Majestyk1976 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:27 am ET
Did Couture deserve a title shot against Sylvia just out of retirement and being KO'd by Liddell?
 

filmassa on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:10 am ET
Here is how a brock Fedor fight would go. Brock takes Fedor down and the ref ends the fight with an early stoppage or Fedor catches Brock with an arm bar. I wouldent even want Fedor to fight Brock in the US the refs are a f**king joke except big John.
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:22 am ET
Fedor doesn't have nearly the mass to armbar Lesnar.  He's strong, but Fedor probably isn't as strong as some of the bigger lhws in the UFC.  Lesnar, on the other hand, has the strength of a hybrid sasquatch.

People don't give lesnar nearly enough credit.  I've seen articles about how he just muscled down Mir, but its not true.  If you watch the fight with Mir vs Vera, Vera had Mir in a very similar hold in the crux of his elbow and got the TKO in that position.  Its obvious that Brock watched that fight and had that exact position in mind, and with his strength and length was able to actually do it from half guard.


I'd like to say that i think someone can beat Brock, but noone in HW right now, besides maybe Carwin.  I also personally think if Gonzaga got his stuff together and put on some more mass he could take Fedor as well.

Fedor is dodging the best comp though, but at this point in his career hes earned it.
 

JesseTheBody on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:19 pm ET
You are wrong.  He might not look like it but Fedor is retard strong.  Ask anyone he's fought.
 

emeraldringer on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:12 am ET
Ha! Awesome picture, junkie.
 

Brian731 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:12 am ET
Sounds like 'dodging' to me....Shut your mouth Millen, the UFC fans dont have to put pressure on Dana to co promote with, UFC is proven and will continue to be successful with or without Fedor... so dont think for a second that the UFC or its fan NEED M-1. We just want to see your boy Fedor fight the best in the world...instead you opt for SF and use co promotion as an excuse to DODGE Lesnar.
 

C-Dubbs on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13 am ET
"At the end of the day", Fedor screwed MMA fans so his management can co-promote.  At the end of the day, Fedor and M-1 don't care about what the fans want... So at the end of the day, they can go F themselves!
 

MMArco on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:14 am ET
Jerry Millen comes across as a total d*ck.

Vadim Finkelchtein comes across as someone who is trying to look after his business first and Fedor second.

All I know is that Fedor has 3 more fights on his M-1 contract and hopefully will come over to the UFC once those are complete

 

fretwork on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:14 am ET
millen: "I keep saying this: Look what CBS did for 'Kimbo Slice.' Imagine what this platform could do for a true MMA fighter like Fedor. It will blow the sport up even more. "
LOL
kimbo & fedor: what a ridiculous comparison.
LOL
i love fedor. but let's be serious.
kimbo - even him, an uneducated/inexperienced fighter/street thug/etc etc - at least has charima. star power.
fedor is a doofy, bumbling, naive-looking guy who can't speak english.
fedor has a long way to go...
...and millen is an idiot.
 

Certified_G on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:25 am ET
Fedor Emelianenko is dodging Brock Lesnar
 

nsmmafan on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:15 am ET
it's on their mind.
 

Point4Dave on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:15 am ET
If Fedor wants to be the best HW Fighter in the world, then he should fire Vadim Finkelchtein.
Vadim is only looking out for his own money interest..... or maybe protecting Fedor, too ?

Everybody talks about how calm Fedor is before fights, as if he were just walking out to start his own BBQ
Is this is because he knows his manager, Finkelchtein, won't have him up against proven fighters who are in their prime
and instead setting him up with those who can't go more than 30 seconds (combined) in a MMA fight anymore (see Arlovski's & Tim Sylvia 's last fights).

My 2 cents.

Dave

 

miamitreo3 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:16 am ET
  I am on record somewhere, saying that I do not think Fedor is ducking anyone. It was just that he has a loyalty to M-1 and wanted to help grow that brand. However, this gives me pause. Why even address this? You typically dont go out of your way to deny something unless there is some truth to it! Fedor is unquestionably the #1 HW but fighting sub-par opponents will start to take the shine off his legacy. He claims he dosen't care. Time will tell.
 

KKamikaze on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:21 am ET
Listen I don't hate Fedor! But how can anyone say he's the best heavyweight in the world until he fights, Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Carwin, Velasquez, Kongo, Gonzaga, Dos Santos, or Hardonk
 

bsam1983 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:30 am ET
U know how? Cause hopefully we will get to see the EPIC battle weve all been waiting for.....wait for it.......Fedor vs Tank Abbott in Japan, that will for sure prove he's atop the p4p list right?..................guys? right? hahahaha Fedor's my new favorite punchline, F him.
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:59 am ET
  Why did you throw Hardonk in there? Why?
 

olliejosh on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:17 am ET
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seeg on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:17 am ET
Can you say "company line"?  What an outright piece of propaganda this is!  Bottom line is, Fedor/M1 doesn't like being called out by the fans and this is their lame attempt at damage control.

I'm ready to move on from the Fedor saga......  Don't care if he ever fights anywhere again - I won't pay for it!  And the fact of the matter is that's a shame because I used to have tons of respect for the guy and do believe he is the best HW.
 

Necromatrix on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:18 am ET
     Wow. And people thought it was bad when B J Penn's mom defended him. This little guy just made Fedor and M-1 an even bigger joke than they were to start with.
 

scotty_boy on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:19 am ET
This guy, Jerry Millen is a real piece of work...how can he say this -"Is the best competition in the UFC?" Millen asked. "I don't know. Any given day, anyone can be the best competition.

Are you serious?..Who are you trying to convince...Ok..Fedor fights Brett Rogers then Alistair Overeem...after that..maybe Fabricio Werdum..(like that is a huge test for Fedor..lol..please!)...after that he basically has very little options for any sort of real test from a proven HW MMA fighter outisde the UFC

I'm sure Bas Rutten could give you an opinion on Jerry Millen..lol..
 

olliejosh on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:21 am ET
Your right. I forgot about the comments Bas made about this guy.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:20 am ET
I love how he says that a guy with 20 wins or 30 fights under his belt deserves a shot at Fedor more thank Lesnar....

So should Lesnar spend the next few years fighting cans just to build his record, so he has 20 wins to "justify" his shot at Fedor?

Sorry bub this isn't boxing... we don't need guys like Reggie Strickland (http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4741&cat=boxer) he of the career record of 66-276 to fill out a top prospect's record so that when he battles for the title he is at least 14-0

Lesnar is a freak of an athlete, quick learner and evolving every fight... with massive size and speed... people want to see if Fedor's immense skill will be able to overcome said size and speed... hell I was ready to see that match up... I want to know can Lesnar be beaten now that he has training in BJJ.  Can Fedor (who I still sometimes think is a cyborg) do what he did to Randleman after getting slammed on his head?

It's an intreging fight.... that's why Brock deserves a shot at Fedor...
 

fretwork on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:42 am ET
yes.
lesnar will be more legit when he beats hong man choi.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:22 pm ET
I don't think Brock could bet Hong Man.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:57 pm ET
Now you're just talking out of you @ss to make your argument...

How is it you can't respond with anything other than garbage?
 

Steuk on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:02 pm ET
lol, what a ridiculous statement to make
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:56 pm ET
Do you guys both realize how big Hong Man really is? How good of a striker he is?

If Brock couldn't take him down, he would be screwed. And I don't think he can. You saw what happened when Fedor tried.

I'd love to see Lesnar try and stand and bang with Choi. He'd wouldn't last as long as Canseco did. I mean the only way to beat him is with repeated leg kicks and Brock doesn't posses those skills.

Seriously, Fedor would have lost against Hong Man too if he didn't pull that armbar out of his ass. Lesnar doesn't posses skills like that either.

I personally think Brock would get owned by the giant. But that's just me.
 

Slade24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:35 pm ET
Ha! You're just wacky.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:26 pm ET
Nice rebuttal.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40 pm ET
You do realize that Mighty Mo handed Choi his first K-1 ko loss...  Might Mo with all 6'1 of him was able to bang stand with Choi who was over a foot taller than Mo...

Also Choi is a devastating striker... He has KOs in HALF of his K-1 wins... oh man... feel the power there... oh and get this 3 of the KOs were against THE SAME GUY!!!!

Yeah fear him... he is Hung Man
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 3:04 am ET
 HMC is a big man and he strikes well for such a large individual, but in his MMA fights when he has to worry about the TD (not his K-1) he seems very cumbersome and off balance. I honestly think Brock would take him down with no problem and hammer him into oblivion....none of this should be construed as to how I think the Fedor/Brock fight would turn out though cuz I think Fedor takes it.........but HMC is not even an average mixed martial artist and Brocks superior wrestling would allow him to get a TD even if he had to settle for a single leg.
 

hegone1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:22 am ET
"Do a co-promotion. They do it in boxing every day."


we don't want MMA to be like boxing. what a joke. i guess rather than get licensed somewhere M-1 has their people reading internet posts. Hot air is all you get when M-1 is saying anything.
 

Jak on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:22 am ET
Phew... i'm glad M-1 has said they aren't dodging Brock Lesnar...

Guess everything is cleared up.
 

PepitoLives09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:17 pm ET
Phew... i'm glad M-1 has said they aren't dodging Brock Lesnar...

Guess everything is cleared up.

LMAO... guess that's the same as M-1 coming out and saying that the amount of money UFC offered wasn't 30 million... I mean they wouldn't try to say anything to save face in the public eye... they have nothing to gain from this type of move...
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:23 am ET
Here is my response to Jerry Millen:

"I've been reading a lot of this with people saying, 'Fedor's dodging Brock Lesnar,' that kind of stuff, That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. At the end of the day, Fedor will fight anybody. The terms just have to be fair."

I agree it's ridiculous but not the most ridiculous. The most ridiculous thing is you (M1 and co) thinking that the UFC will co-promote with a minor leaguer in minor leagues like you guys. You are either so high or just dreaming.

"Does anybody honestly think that Fedor Emelianenko would dodge Brock Lesnar? What does he have – is it five MMA fights now? He's got five MMA fights. At the end of the day, he's more of a pro wrestler than he is an MMA fighter."

There goes your credibility. Not that you had any.

"Not to take anything away from [Lesnar], but you've got to remember the UFC manufactured his rise to the top. They gave him a title shot so far ahead of other guys that might have deserved a title shot that if I was some of the heavyweights in the UFC, I'd be upset"

They may be upset but they know when they fight him it'll be their biggest pay day and a big opportunity to become a star. But you wouldn't know that would you? Besides, you have got Fedor and suddenly you are an expert?


"Is he a great fighter? Sure. I think he's doing great. But he's got a lot of room for improvement. At the end of the day, Fedor's not ducking anybody"

Whether he is or not, we don't know for sure. And that will follow him.

"Vadim (Finkelchtein) has been doing MMA for a long time, and he wants the M-1 brand to grow, for profit or for loss. We're in a co-promotion for Strikeforce as a co-promotion. If it makes a profit, great, we all make a profit. If it makes a loss, we share in that loss"

Have you taken a business course in your life? What about UFC's brand? If they co promote with you, their brand becomes tainted.

"It's not about the money. If it's about the money, then you take the sure money, and you take it and say, 'This money is a payday that we're going to get, guaranteed, and let's take this payday. There may even be some bonus structures, and it's going to make it a bigger payday.' Or do we take this risk on a co-promotion? Then we can build something"'

Why would UFC ever want to co-promote with M1? StrikeForce is not exactly the UFC.

One minute Dana's saying, 'Fedor is irrelevant; [expletive] him,' and then the next day he's like, 'Oh, he's the greatest fighter in the world, I want him Now he's back to, 'This guy sucks.' So he can't make his mind up. You see what I'm saying? If he doesn't get his way, it's either his way or no way. That's what it boils down to. [M-1 Global] just wants to work somewhere where it's fair"

He said it because Fedor embarrassed him.


"Fedor is part owner in M-1, and Fedor has complete faith in Vadim. Fedor was there in negotiations with the UFC, and he knows exactly what was offered, what was going on.  Fedor has a big say in what happens to Fedor. Make no mistake, he wants what is best for Fedor, the people around him, his family at M-1, and his personal family. Fedor understands everything that's going on, and he's completely down with it."

That's good because you guys apparently lied to Mousasi about the UFC's offer. Shame on you.

"If the fans want to see a Brock Lesnar fight, hey, all they have to do is keep pressure on Dana. Do a co-promotion. They do it in boxing every day.."

I want to see that fight but not as badly as I don't want to the UFC to co promote with M1 that can't put a simple card and execute it without a hitch. Sorry. Brock Fedor would be great but the future of MMA is more important.


The rest is not worth reading...
 

hegone1 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43 am ET
what i don't get is they call out Brock's record. he just has five matches blah, blah, blah. then it should be an easy fight. i thought that is what you guys want. but you guys know better he is a legit fighter. maybe not the best technically but he is winning. hey jerry call heath herring and ask him how much of a pro wrestler brock is.
 

IronJawJake on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:24 pm ET
Even with Mousasi and Fedor, M-1 needs more contender-worthy fighters, they need to build up more than just two or three and stop worrying about business as much.  They got all the promo they needed so that now about half the casual MMA fans have heard the name, NOW MAKE THE NAME COUNT OFF MORE THAN TWO OR THREE FIGHTERS!  Or have they not gotten the message Kimbo and Josh gave the world in the last year?....
 

AlwaysRelaxing24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:23 am ET
John Morgan,

Please don't quote Jerry Millen for any articles in the future.  It downgrades MMA Junkie as a reliable news.

Millen is a joke.  His quotes should not be made into headlines....
 

adamarchy23 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:25 am ET
WHATEVER.
 

finflannagan on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:25 am ET
At the end of the day M-1 was just hoping that they could co-promote so they could use the UFC to build there name because they can't do it on their own.    I still think Fedor is the best (for now) but this is a joke.  This would only harm the UFC so of course they aren't going to be down with it.  So you find some smaller organization to do it saying you don't care if you lose money.  Hope Strikeforce doesn't care either because I see it happening.
 

thenutman69321 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26 am ET
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KKamikaze on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:27 am ET
Attention Fedor fans! Am I supposed to be impressed with Fedor because he destroyed Tim Slyvia? (WHO WAS JUST KO'D BY RAY MERCER!!!) Am I supposed to be impressed by his ko of Arlovski? (DID YOU ARLOVSKI'S LAST 4 FIGHTS IN THE UFC!!!) I'll give him props on the Nog fights! That's it .
 

MachidaDkiller on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:28 am ET
StrikeForce is a manor legue on MMA, Fedor is totally dodging Lesner no question!!!
Say what you want Fedor has great fights but half of the fighters that he faught was cans.
I'm a Fedor fan but he's dodging Lesner for sure!!!
 

submissionboy on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:49 am ET
Fedor is amazing, a true mma fan knows that..the others buy dana's bi polar comments. Fedor never got leglocked like an idiot, lesnar has
to beat fedor to prove its worth anything, not the other way around. Fedor has nothing to prove.
 

shogun34 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:31 am ET
BROCK LESNAR WOULD THROW FEDOR AROUND LIKE A RAG DOLL
I DONT CARE WHAT THE F$%k anybody says
lets quit worrying about fedor and concentrate on hw division & how much better it is just from two years ago
can anybody say Shane Carwin   this dude is heavily underestimated
 

skillz794 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
shane carwin is just as big as brock....that dude wears 4x gloves and hits like a ton.....well said shogun carwin is a beast and it will be a great fight after he beats up cain valesquez....
 

GoCats on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:44 am ET
Hopefully when Carwin takes the belt from the Vanilla Gorilla he won't cut a WWE promo afterwards.
 

VanillaGorilla4Life on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET
Hopefully after The Vanilla Gorilla pounds Carwin into oblivion he'll think next time before disrespecting a guy before he fight him. Carwin is about to learn the same lesson Mir did, if you're about to fight Brock Lesnar the best thing to do is keep your mouth shut & hope you make it out of the cage with all your head still attached to your body.
 

GoCats on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:27 pm ET

  Lesnar is good and has improved since the first fight with Mir, I am just not a fan of his prefight  and post fight antics.  Its not WWE anymore.  Unfortunatly I dont see anyone in the near future taking him.  Carwin needs more fights and Big Nog is fighting Couture next.  I dont see any of the crop of TUF heavys doing much.  Unles Brock lays down and lets Wes Sims stomp him in the head illegally.  

 

shooter on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:33 am ET
M-1 is a joke. I am going to laugh my butt off when the fail.
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35 am ET
Jerry Millen and M1 remind of me Rod Blogojavich: "We've got this F'n thing, and it's Golden" Anyone? Is it just me?
 

skillz794 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35 am ET
Fedor is ducking someone....I dont know if its brock or not....but this guy has commented many times that he wanted to fight this guy and that guy, but when it comes down to it he opts to fight alister overeem and fabricio werdum.....HE DOESNT WANT THE COMPETITION LIKE HE SAYS HE DOES.....i hate to admit it, but dana white may be right about fedor. it hurts to say that, but actions speak louder than words fedor!!!!
 

rocklobster on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:36 am ET
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MMAFlunkie on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:36 am ET
Fedor & Strikeforce can go F* themselves. Its a minor league promotion & Fedor is a minor league fighter. There only fan will be Dick Havok sitting in the audience all by himself. Theres no doubt that Fedor would get smashed by Brock & then Fedor would be completely worthless as a draw so they could not take that chance so took the easy way out.

Whats next, the NFL in co-promotion with the Arena Football League?

UFC = Major League

Strikeforce, M1 etc etc = Minor League
 

wbeswick on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:36 am ET
Couple things caught my attention in this article:

"At the end of the day, it's not about money if you really think about it," Millen said. "You can take a guaranteed figure that's probably pretty good. You're going to know at the end of the day what you're going to get. But if you want to grow your company and get the respect that you deserve?

You don't get the respect that the UFC has by co-promoting a fight with them.  You earn respect by your actions.
 
"I believe he could," Millen said. "Vadim and Fedor have a great relationship. It's not manager-fighter. They have a very close, personal relationship.

How close is this relationship?  I know that the winters in the USSR are cold and the women are big and hairy but c'mon. 

And if mixed martial arts (and UFC) fans hope to see Emelianenko in the world's biggest MMA promotion, Millen suggests they use a bit of the same tactics that motivated White to substitute Vitor Belfort for Dan Henderson in the main event for September's UFC 103.

Now Millen is tring to tell DW how to run his business?????

This guy sounds like he is nuts!!!
 

MrEarlBC on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37 am ET
Fedor ,Fedor ,Fedor :-( well does anyone know how much money Fedor stands to make by doing the co-promotion compared to the ufc offer?
 

Topdog on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
Yes Jerry ,Fedor is dodging the toughest man on this planet. ( I would too) How is trying to steal from the UFC by co-promotion fair. Fedor is not bigger than MMA. Why do they allow Vadim Finkelchtein in this country when his intentions are clear? Trying to steal from hard working people.
 

AleksandrTheMeerkat on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
Jerry Millen don't you mean Gary Millen :)

He is a complete tosser if Bas don't like him then come on.....Bas likes everyone !

End of the day the crazy Russians have have yet again started leeching off a company i hope to god Strikeforce don't go under M-1 & Fedor are the biggest Albatross in MMA first Pride, Bodog the Affliction sadly i think Strikeforce could be next :(
 

mmiller on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38 am ET
he is right he not dodging him he is avoiding him completly he i is a joke i hhope he loses in strikeforce lets see ppl call him the best when he loses to some nobody 
 

gorm5 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:39 am ET
Come on, guys. Try to think of it from their perspective. They have the best (arguably) fighter in the world in their camp. Is it really so out of line that they would want to use his status to market their company?? If Dana White (whom I like and respect) were in their position, I think there's a REAL good chance he would try to do something similar. It's a smart business move. I would like to know specifically what M-1 is asking for. If it's a one fight co-promotion, that is completely severed after the fight, I really don't understand the outrage. I do think it was unneccessary and slimy for Millen to refer to Brock as a pro wrestler. However, if those two fight, I have Fedor by KO or sub 2nd round.
 

jizzothekid on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:58 am ET
i believe dana has proven that when he gets a big-name fighter, he buys up other fighters to surround him in the division.  he doesnt try to co-promote with companies that are much bigger and more successful than his.  he tries to buy up all the best fighters and make them exclusive.  for example brock became a big household name, defended his title and all of a sudden dana was after fedor like crazy
 

broncojd78 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40 am ET
wait, wait, wait...a promoter is supporting his fighter?  hmm...that seems suspicious...
 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:41 am ET
BROCK! Waiting on your comments! 

Junkie you called Lesnar yet on this article?!

Let the bashing begins!
 

MixedMartialArts on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:42 am ET
I hope Dana never caves in to the co-promotion. Don't sell out, Dana!
 

TenDoLLaTriP on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43 am ET
AT THE END OF THE DAY...

M1 Sucks, and Fedor will still be fighting cans for his "legacy"
 

kdp1316669 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43 am ET
I don't care what anyone say's Fedor is afraid of getting beat or else he would have taken the huge pile of money thrown at him by the UFC.  Its like Sydney Crosby playing in the AHL over the NHL it would never happen because most people want to compete at the highest level, but Fedor chooses not to.  Fedor proves the old saying if you don't have any loses you are not fighting against good enought competition.  Its either that or he is just plain stupid and ruled by the M1 people, but you would think he could think for himself instead of being a puppet.  I hope he loses and kills Strikeforce.
 

KKamikaze on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:44 am ET
Fedor fans bash me all you want, but Lesnar would beat the sh*t out of Fedor! That's not opinion....that's fact! Too bad it will never go down cause Fedor is not willing to step up and face the best competition in the world.
 

seeg on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:01 pm ET
I wouldn't go so far to say that.  But, I would say, that if Fedor would sign a 3 year-6 fight deal with the UFC his winning streak would be no more.  And M1 KNOWS THAT!
 

MMArco on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
The more I read this article, the more sh*t just pours out from it.

Lets hope M-1 doesnt kill Strikeforce, Fedor finishes his 3 remaining fights, then signs with UFC and M-1 kindly f*cks off
 

rockstar1982bgb on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:45 am ET
Fedor can continue to fight Cans and personally I hope he gets his ass kicked in Strickforce. M1 can lick balls all they want is money, Fedor can hide out and fight in the B division all he wants because he is scared to fight true champs. I do think stickforce is an awesome organization but it's not where Fedor should be.
 

Redbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:45 am ET

Nick, have you seen Brocks fight's?  He has absolutely destroyed top level fighters.  I don't necessarily think that Fedor is dodging Brock, M-1 is dodging Brock.  A loss to Brock will kill M-1.  M-1 knows that and knows that Brock has a better than average chance of not only betting Fedor but dominating him.  Dude be honest with yourself.  I pulled for everyone who fought Brock but the reality is the man is something MMA has never seen.     

 

Also everyone says Brock's skills are lacking, well I've been doing jujitsu for about 3 years now and what Brock did to Mir was absolutely a perfect way to nullify a jujitsu player.  

 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:55 am ET
I'm glad he was able to nullify the Jui Jitsu this time around then.

...wouldn't have wanted Mir to completely rip his leg off.
 

Redbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:01 pm ET

You just proved a great point that Brock can be coached and learned from his mistakes as all great athletes do.

 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:48 pm ET
Too bad it took him a loss to learn though.

Usually guys learn the basics beforehand.
 

Redbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:26 pm ET

I think Brock got excited and therefore got sloppy.  I’ll give Fedor that, he is always completely composed in a fight.  I remember he had the presents of mind to cheat against Lindland and grab the ropes while Lindland was putting on a wrestling (and fighting) clinic on him.  Directly resulting in an armbar for Fedor.  Hmmm if Lindland could throw Fedor around like a rag doll imagine what Brock would do.          

 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:40 pm ET
Wow. I sure don't remember any of that happening in the Fedor-Lindland fight at all.

What I saw was Fedor reversal Lindland's takedown and spin Matt around in mid air and land on top in a dominant position. Then he got the submission.

I was amazed when I saw it. It was a brilliant move.
 

Redbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:18 pm ET

I hope your being sarcastic, its hard to pick up on print.  I think your comment about “spinning in mid air” indicates you’re joking, unless you think Fedor has Matrix like powers…….but come to think about it after reading your post you probably actually think Fedor is the “ONE”   

 

MullaJW on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:33 pm ET
That's just a childish response Nick. It took a loss to learn a lesson? Now your trolling. Ask every famous pro athlete what it took to make them great.
 

EvilGenius on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:46 am ET
forget brock....

=)

Mir is more than enough to take Fedor....
 

foch41 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:46 am ET
WOW.  What an epic fail of a useless bunch of statements.  Face facts Millen a lot of people lost respect for Fedor when he was offered the moon and still decided to sign with a go nowhere promotion that is strikeforce.  I do believe Fedor is afraid of the UFC and afraid he wont be able to cut it against Brock Lesnar, Kongo, Carwin, Mir, etc... 

[deleted, fighter bashing]
 

muleshoe on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:47 am ET
[Deleted, stop posting in all caps. -admin]
 

MadDogVenom on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:48 am ET
2 things keep coming to mind for me on this whole bloody mess:

1) I would have rather seen Fedor in the UFC, but at least he's not disappearing into the bowels of Japan. If not the UFC, then I'm glad he's with Strikeforce.

2) As long as he is part owner of M-1, and M-1 does not budge on the co-promo deal, then he will NEVER fight in the UFC. That makes him an "owner" first and a contracted fighter second.
 

sparty4life on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:48 am ET
Nick,

What is your obsession with Fedor? I think hes a phenominal fighter and all but at the end of the day i am an MMA fan that wants to see the best fight cards possible put together. The UFC with out Fedor is FAR SUPERIOR than strikeforce or dream or any other b.s company with him. They are the reason y u log onto this website everyday to discuss your Fedor obsessions, they brought MMA mainstream and they sure as hell dont NEED Fedor to continue their dominance. F*&% FEDOR
 

madman81 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:01 pm ET
ILL 2ND THAT!!!
 

VanillaGorilla4Life on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:09 pm ET
 Bigger than Nick's obsession with Fedor is his hate of the UFC and his love for making ridiculous statements that don't have one shread of legitmacy or merit simply to get responsed from other posters. Most of the things he says are o completely outlandish and stupid that there is no way he himself even believes them.

 I implore all posters on thi site to simply ignore Nick's comments & don't give him the satisfacyion of a response. His antics used to be ammusing but now thay have simply become annoying and disruptive. I think most of us would agreee that this site would be alot more enjoyable if it was made up of sensible un bias MMA fans sharing their opinions in a respectful and intelligent manner.

 My mom always said ignore ignorance and it will eventually go away, whatta you guys say we give it a try?
 

MadDogVenom on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:21 pm ET
Good idea...I've been doing that for months now.
 

Rooney09 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:49 am ET
This is awesome! M-1 Global is like the Kim Jong Il of MMA.
 

Gone_Postal on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:50 am ET
Fedor's legacy is far from secure, he will be but a whisper a few years from now.  UFC owns the rights to the Pride library which is where all the fights that made him who he is took place.  I can't see the UFC releasing them unless Fedor fights in the octagon.

As well popular opinion seems to have changed drastically, but maybe Jerry has not noticed.  It seems many who sided with Fedor in the first negotiations with the UFC have become frutrated and disapointed, especially since Dana and the UFC seem to have given into most of Fedor's terms.

I won't go so far as to say that Fedor is afraid of the UFC, but Strikeforce is a lot safer then the UFC.  If M1 is really trying to grow their promotion then Strike force is the best place for them.  Alomost all their stock is in Fedor and stands a much better chance of remaining undefeated in Strikeforce.  A loss or two in the UFC would be the end of M1.

Still like Fedor but have to call BS on going to Strikeforce to face "Top Competition".
 

daho80 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
uhhh...you do know that Fedor owns his own image from pride, right?
including his video library
 

Gone_Postal on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:28 pm ET
His image maybe but I don't think he has the rights to the footage of fights or else Affliction would have been able to use the old pride footage to promote his fights.
 

daho80 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:46 pm ET
he does own it..was in his contract
 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:53 am ET
M-1 will not last.  It will die out soon in the US.
 

Vadertime2877 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:53 am ET
I find this article funny in a few ways......

At the end of the day, Fedor will fight anybody. The terms just have to be fair."

Funny how they say that don't you think. The terms just have to be fair, they just want to co-promote with the largest MMA company in the world. I can see that being fair, you know that would be like and I hate to even use this bc I'm not a wrestling fan....but the WWE co-promoting with TNT. Why in the blue hell would you want to co-promote an even with competition. Those terms aren't fair they're plain stupid....the guy is a dummy.

Why did they give Brock the title shot. Well for one on a marketing standpoint it was huge for putting asses in the seats. He's got three wins in the UFC agaisnt some great talent and he's done it with ease. Like him or not he's a beast. I'm tired of hearing the WWE crap. The man was a 4 time all American, a 2 time Big 12 Champion, a JR National Champ, and a NCAA HWT National Chamption. He's a real athlete period. You don't get those titles being an entertainer dummies.

Last but not least.....Fedor will fight anyone....just not those in the UFC. At the end of the day he doesn't want to fight good competition, he can't want to. When Randy left for that period it was because Fedor wouldn't sign to fight in the UFC. Then they make a big deal doing the media thing and taking pictures with Fedor and Randy for a fight that they knew full well would never happen because of Randy's contract. Now there is Lesnar who is flat out a freak of nature and gets better everytime he fights. Eventually Fedor will want to prove himself I hope and by that time Lesnar will put a beatdown on him and that's just the way it is. Let's look at who Brock has beat over the past 3 fights. Herring who has fought everyone and is no sloutch...Lesnar dominated him. Couture, who is a legend and did well in the fight still ended up ko'd. Mir, well you saw what happened there. Now let's look at the last 2 fights that Fedor has had in the last what 3 years.....Tim I got knocked out in 11 seconds by a 48 year old boxer.....tough one there. Andre I think it took 20 seconds for Rogers to whoop him. He's fought two washed up fighters one that I don't think really ever was anything. Point of it all is if he's not ducking Lesnar or the UFC then why isn't he in there? He better be taken from the top ten all together because he hasn't fought anyone he's a joke at this point.



 

Jonnycaz on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:54 am ET
Fedor is not dodging........actually actions speak slightly louder than words. They're especially louder when its M-1 Global's words as well
 

Cargo46 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
"I keep saying this: Look what CBS did for 'Kimbo Slice.' Imagine what this platform could do for a true MMA fighter like Fedor. It will blow the sport up even more. I'm excited. I think it's great for the fans."

The big difference between kimbo and fedor is kimbo can speak to an american crowed but fedor cant he needs an interpitor .
that is one of the main reasons fedor will never be big in the usa.
 

CantGetEnuff on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:56 am ET
"More of a prowrestler than anything else"

damn he's starting to sound like some of the idiots on here.
 

johnemms2003 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:57 am ET
I DON"T believe Fedor is dodging Lesnar. But I do believe he has dodged the LHW division to stay among the heavier guys who are not skilled. Fedor can easily make it to 205 if he gets in shape. He obviously packs a few pounds even when he fights. I feel like if Randy can make it to 205 so can Fedor. So that's that.

But folks. Fedor doesn't want to come to the UFC. What's done is done. Whether he is dodging or just hates Dana. Either way, we have so many great fighters in the UFC. And I do believe that Silva is the best fighter on this planet and not Fedor. I mean even when Silva doesn't try he wins. This guy goes around as if he can fight blind and still win. So I have Silva and Machida way over Fedor. I don't hate Fedor or love him, I just don't bother thinking about his dubious decisions.
 

Darth_Norge on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:58 am ET
Yeah, they do it in boxing all the time and look where that philosophy has gotten that sport. I don't think Fedor is ducking Lesnar, but I don't think he can truly be considered the top pound-for-pound fighter or even the top heavyweight in the world unless he goes to the UFC and fights guys who actually rank in the Top 10 of most any MMA publication. Yes, he beat Sylvia and Arlovski, but their performances since tell me they were beginning downslides already. Screw the co-promotion. If Fedor wants competition, than he needs to go where the competition is. Why should Dana White risk a terrible business decision in co-promoting with an outfit that barely exists for one fighter. Until he's on the big stage, I won't consider Fedor the top guy.
 

broncojd78 on Aug 06, 2009 at 11:59 am ET
alright, this article gave me the final piece of info for me to complete my opus.  and it goes as follows:

fedor is not dodging the UFC
dana did not fail anyone by not signing fedor

fedor is protecting his investment in M1. 

fedor only has a few years of fighting left and was looking at (possibly) his last big contract.  so he had two options
1) sign w/UFC and make a boat load of money for a few fights
2) find someone to co promote with an MMA org of which he is part owner. 

now, take option 1 and you get a bunch of money now.  take option 2 and succeed, and you get paid for the rest of your life. 

i had heard he was part owner of M1 but wasn't sure.  and i wasn't interested enough to research it.  so he is.  and that is why he did what he did. 

the UFC signing fedor was never a legitimate option.  that's not a negative to fedor or the UFC.  some things just aren't meant to be. 

F it dude, let's go bowling....
 

spike27 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:31 pm ET
Option 2 is you MAY get paid for the rest of your life nothing is guaranteed. Lets face it if M-1 will be around for the next 10 years they are considered a successful company. But we have seen better companies go under then M-1. I dont expect them to last another 3 years and even 3 years IMO is a generous guess

 

Jonnycaz on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:00 pm ET
"Brock is a WWE wrestler and his five fights, despite who they were against, only elevate him to the level of a 2nd grade girl, " but NOT to take anything away from him"............And the hype machine begins, I see a match between the two happening in 2 years max. M-1 is definitely trying to keep their man relevant
 

madman81 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:04 pm ET
2nd grade girl?  Come on!  WWE or not that guy is UFC HW champ and has beaten everybody hes fought.  I never had girls like that in my 2nd grade class!
 

coffygrinder on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:04 pm ET
Is Lesner the best, who knows?  Are the best fighters in the world at the UFC, yes.  I dont think Fedor is ducking anyon. I just dont see the downside of fighting in the UFC.  I see a a downside for M-1, not Fedor and that is what I believe makes people question Fedor and M-1.  Yes, Fedor is part owner in M-1, and they best way to push M-1 is a co-promotion.  The next best thing is to put M-1 on everything, like the UFC offered.  More then anything its upsetting that we will not see Fedor fight in the UFC, and it appears that Dana had the fans intrest, did Fedor?  Why should we push Dana to co-promote?  We should push Fedor to fight in the Largest MMA organization in the world
 

garagefighter on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
I'm on this website everyday and I never comment or reply to anything. But everytime I read a comment by "nickhavoc" I get angry. Who are you? Who do you work for? You are the biggest, most jealous hater I have ever come across and I haven't even met you. You wouldn't even know what mma is if it wasn't for Dana white and the ufc. What's your deal? What's the real reason you hate on them so much? I bet if you met Dana face to face you would crap your pants. P.S. I didn't like fedor, then I started respecting him, now, I laugh at him.
 

HaroldH on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
There is always going to be "that guy" that wants to hate something that everyone else likes.
 

pogiako on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:05 pm ET
[deleted, fighter bashing]
 

tapncry on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:08 pm ET
Trick--the sad thing is after Brock got a "spanking" for his outburst at 100, he probably wont say anything...Most people now want to hear Brock mouth off at the top of his lungs and call out Fedor and now he decides to keep his mouth shut...Figures!!

I dont believe DW has let anyone down on this...Dont get me wrong I want to see fedor fight in the UFC...but not to the expense of co promoting, I think everyone can agree that DW did the smart thing and not give in to what everyone wants...I respect him more for that...he could have easily said yes just to finally appeal to the fans but he put the UFC first which I for one appreciate...dont change for one fighter noone is worth that...time will tell when Strikeforce/M1 Global go down and Fedor  loses...bye bye to all three!! You think Dana will let him in the UFC? I have a better chance of getting a contract than fedor does now!!
 

Darth_Norge on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12 pm ET
If you want to see how useless the M-1 Global promotion is, all you have to do is look a couple stories down about their search for a location for "Breakthrough".
 

NCal4Life on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET
Jerry millen irrelevant
Feder is irrelevant
M1 is irrelevant
talk 2 me about feder when his in the UFC other than that who cares
 

henro on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET
hmmmmmmmmmmm just like BJ Penn was always going to batter GSP .... At this rate Fedor will be giving Usain Bolt a run for his money he's running that quick...
 

rems24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:14 pm ET
Nick Havoc this is a call out to you wondering if you actually watch mma or are just some goof ball that sits at home all day writing on message boards, nothing you say makes any sense i would love to sit down with you and here some of you reasoning for hating a company that puts on top notch cards every month along with free fight nights, and spends most of its time trying to get the sport sanctioned everywhere. I will watch any mma show that has decent fights cause i love the sport, i could care less about what banner guys fight under all i want to see is the best fights possible happen and the ufc seems to give me the most best fights not to say that strikeforce,K1,dream and others dont but ufc gives me the most hence why i like them. You are just trying to rebel against the world and see not liking the ufc as a good way to do that, really you just come off looking and sounding like an idiot
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:23 pm ET
HAHAHA i love when people come out hating havoc, not realizing that he GETS OFF ON IT.  if you don't want him to troll, don't respond. 

 

tbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:15 pm ET
KEEP PRESSURE ON DANA is this guy really that stupid. he wants m1 to be successful and grow fine but why does he always piggyback on other promotions strikeforce is good without fedor and the UFC is great without him and I hope CBS does the same for fedor as it did for Kimbo reveal the sensation as beatable,and oh by the way m1 guy he is dodging alot more than Brock,the likes of Mir Couture Carwin ,I think Congo would give him a good fight
 

HaroldH on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:16 pm ET
I think we're all guilty of spending too much time bitching/moaning/arguing at mmajunkie.com.  His schtick is anti-UFC, that's it.   As for Jerry Millen, this guy is a scumbag.
 

Gunho on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:17 pm ET
"I think I'm a pretty good judge of character, and Vadim truly cares about Fedor. I feel like he's really looked out for him, and Fedor respects Vadim. Vadim doesn't manage 100 fighters. Vadim takes care of M-1, has the Red Devil Sport Club, tries to get some younger fighters going, and he has Fedor. I think he has Fedor's best interests at heart. I really do."

Seems like a conflict of interest to have Vadim representing both M-1 and Fedor.  How can Vadim truly have Fedor's best interest at heart when Vadim also has a stake in M-1 ?
 

tapncry on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:19 pm ET
"Hey Brock, I am not dodging you!!! If you want to fight you come find me!!"  something seems wrong with what they are saying?!  Sad thing is they rip on Brock for only having five fights yet if you asked him to fight Fedor saturday at 101 against arguably the best hw in the world...Brock would be there ready to go!! Makes you like Brock with a "anywhere, anytime" attitude!! As opposed to Fedors only if you co promote attitude!!
 

Ricksonbyarmbar on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:21 pm ET
This from the same morons that announce an event, and aren't smart enough to secure a license, and now have no venue for a event supposedly happening in 3 weeks. These guys sure know what they are doing.
 

Ryderdie on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:22 pm ET
Who is Jerry Millen and why is being allowed to speak on this topic?  Was he in the negotioations?  Was he at Fedor's birthday party?  What is the relevance of this guy, other than his title? 
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:26 pm ET
I think its because he's an executive of the company hes speaking about, and kinda representing... I mean, I'm no genius, but i'm pretty sure that could give him the ability to speak on the subject...
 

Ryderdie on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:03 pm ET
Youre right that your not a genius, I dont have a problem with him talking, hell anyone can talk.  Why is this being published, who cares.  They might as well interview you and you give your opinions, that would be about as effective.
 

HaroldH on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:27 pm ET
My only knowledge of Jerry Millen was seeing a video of him and his flunkies calling Dana White's secretary on camera and inviting him to the Affliction show. 
 

elrock10 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:27 pm ET
I'm a FORMER Fedor Emelianenko fan that truly believes that he is DODGING BROCK Lesnar and the rest of the UFC HW's. I've lost respect for Fedor because of the way he has allowed others to manage him. If he really cares about the fans and truly cares about being the best HW in the world then he would have agreed to the AMAZING deal the UFC offered him. Therefore, due to Fedor's "careless" attitude I will NEVER pay to watch any of his upcoming fights. If he doesn't care to fight the best then he is old news. His career is fading and he will later regret it. FEDOR, YOU'RE NOT THE BEST P4P HW, AND YOU'RE OLD NEWS! 
 

HaroldH on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:29 pm ET
I can't wait for the day when people go back to talking about Fedor only when he's getting ready to fight some schmuck.  I look forward to the Fedor/Overeem buildup that will consume months of everyones time only to have Overeem pull out due to an injury.


Fedor:  Great fighter blah blah blah, but really, who cares?
 

amadeus520 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:32 pm ET
EXACTLY where are the freakin stories about Torres, who if he wins this weekend becomes the #1 p4p fighter IMHO.

I really don't care about Fyodor anymore
 

Trick on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:31 pm ET
M-1 is a dying company.  They need all the help they can.
 

mm_65_24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:32 pm ET
oh boy...the more we react to this nick guy...the more he builds up his broken EGO.....just ignore him and the rest of his ego and sanity will go down the drain
 

anglms710 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:33 pm ET
Imagine if roles were reversed; UFC had Fedor and SF/M-1 had Brock. What would dana say about Brock then? My guess is he would never mention him without making a reference to staged fights. I can't stand dana.
 

EazyMuney on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:34 pm ET
Since I have started watching mma in the last few years,  I heard about this Russian dude, how good he is etc.  I watch a lot of his fights on you tube and I have to agree but lets get this right.  He is a business owner w/ M1 whatever the % is.  He is trying to build this business w/ his partners & he knows exactly what is going on with the contract negotiations, he is just letting his manager take the blunt of everything so he doesn't look like a douch bag for not giving the fans what they want.  Otherwise he would loose everything.  Dana obviously doesn't need help with running his business obviously they do.  He doesn't care one bit about the fans.  He says he doesn't care about the money then fight for free,  that is all he cares about.  Trying to get his business off the ground so when he retires he has something to live off.  He is not the pawn he is the one running the show behind the seens that we can't see.


 

Rocksteady on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:37 pm ET
Yeah, just because you, Brock Lesnar, have 5 fights under your belt means that you are not a worthy opponent for Fedor.......


What a crock.


M-1 Global is just trying to get their hand in the cookie jar and that is it, I am pretty sure they don't give a f*** about MMA as a whole.

M-1 Global's Jerry Millen: We need co-promotion because all we have is Fedor. (Apparently Mousasi isn't happy with M-1 either?)




 

CageNuisance on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:38 pm ET
fedors great fedors not a week ago when he wasnt signed and doging the ufc and brock everyone of you hated him but now he signed with sf alot of you r back on his jockstrap fedors got 3 fights coming all 3 cans brocks nxt 3 will be against top competition
 

Jak on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:39 pm ET
I do find it funny that they bash Lesnar for only have five fights(of which were against Mir, Herring and Couture), but are willing to fight Rogers who only has 10 fights 9 of which were against cans.
 

grim_reaper on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:04 pm ET
Bingo!
 

Jugz on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:42 pm ET
Their is no doubt Fedor is dodging the UFC, not because he is scared of their fighters but because he ( his manager ) wants his crappy MMA org to piggy back of the UFC, fact.  This will indeed hurt the legacy of Fedor in the eyes of MOST true MMA fans. The UFC has no reason what so ever to co-promote with anybody, they got where they are by themselves.
I looked at the M-1 roster the other day, 2 fighters on the list, what a joke.
Fedor is good but has yet to fight top competitors. His most notable wins are against UFC castaways. Two guys that are both 1 punch chumps.
Not sure how ANY org can call Barnett the #2 HW in the world, his only big win was Couture in 2002 which he was stripped of the belt after the fight for what reason ? Yes, steroids. Barnett is a hack, he had a draw with Monson in 1 of his last fights.
I am not personally a Lesnar fan but even I will admit he is solid. Still has things to prove but he wrecked Mir pretty bad.
fedor wants to fight the best athelets but I believe he is letting his business get in the way of that.
I just hope Dana gets even more aggressive and puts more of these hack MMA promotions to rest, like he has done to a few already. And Dana did not fail, he just wasn't willing to suck Fedor's schlong like Coker did and I for 1 am glad he did not.
The UFC will continue on and Strikeforce / M-1 will fall way short of ever achieving what Dana and the UFC have.
Competition is a good thing even in MMA promotions but Fedor just ducked the NFL to sign with the CFL.
 
 

CageNuisance on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:42 pm ET
exactly i can get in the cage with 50 midgets all weighing 250 each knock each one out and i would be cocidered the p4p #1hw in the world if they went by the talent of the fighter fedor would not be #1
 

grim_reaper on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:42 pm ET
Well, one thing has remained constant...this all about M1 and nothing to do with matching Fedor in big fights. M1, M1, M1....what a crock.  Who cares.  That is how boxing is meeting its doom.  Every two bit operation has 1-5 fighters and extorts everyone else for copromotion.  Who wants that.  M1 is a sham.

Millen can sit there and spew crap all day, the bottom line is they won't let Fedor fight except under their terms.  How are they "different" in that respect other than he is all they have.  Hell, they cannot even put on one joke of a show in Cali.

Nope, go a way Mr. Millen.  I am not buying the crap you are spewing.  The only reason at all anyone is evening listening to you is that the UFC made an offer for your one asset, else you would be nothing.

Anyone that thinks M1 has any merit just go look at their website.  All about the media attention.  Great, but they have nothing.  It is like a pyramid scheme.
 

Rydog255 on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:43 pm ET
Seriously you idiots who think Lesnar would even stand a chance against Fedor need to put the pipe down and learn something about MMA. Fedor has never lost a fight in 31 fights. His one L on his record was from a cut 20 seconds into the fight. That is not a loss. He has never even come close to losing. Only once in his career has anyone had him in trouble ( Fujita's right hook) and that lasted for about 3 seconds. Lesnar is a hell of a talent and will get better, but right now Fedor would knock his ass silly. Hell if Mir werent stupid enough to throw the damn knee at him he might of had a chance considering he had Lesnar up against the cage while punching him. The UFC has to learn that if they want Fedor they have to do a copromotion. That is all M1 wants. Both companies would benefit overall because this is the number one fight that fans want. Give it another year after Strikeforce's contract with Fedor is up and we will try this all over again. I love the UFC, but Dana White has to quite thinking he is the supreme ruler of MMA. There is plenty of room for other successfull promotions, and Strikeforce teaming with M1 might just be the best one to challenge the UFC's supremecy. They are after all signing one top level fighter after another, and fighters want to be able to compete in competitions other than MMA. Sambo, grappling, jiujitsu, and kickboxing tournaments are where alot of these guys came from and the UFC doesnt allow their fighters to compete there or anywhere else for that mattter.
 

grim_reaper on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:02 pm ET
Yawn.
 

MMACrossfire on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:07 pm ET
Difference is: the UFC didn't ride another promotion's coattails to get where they are.  By contrast, that seems to be M-1's entire business model.  I'll be very curious to see how this effects Strikeforce.  If Strikeforce isn't careful, they could easily spread themselves too thinly.  I hope they don't.
 

mmapunk on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:15 pm ET
Why should the UFC have to co promote anyone. They have done all the work so M-1 can suck off of there name. You sign a fighter not the whole promotion company. How stupid is that. The UFC does not need M-1 to hold there hand to help to promote a fight. Fedor should want to fight in the UFC at all cost and do anything to make it happen. OH and Fedor will never prove his is the best because he would rather run over to strikeforce and be the big fish in a little pond so dumbass like you think he is so great.The last real fight he had was three years ago aganist cro cop. Everone after that was a has been or a nobody. If you think Fedor does't have the power to make M-1 sign with out co promoting then you are just plan retarted. He is the fighter and half owner of m-1 and he has all the power. M-1 would still make a ton of money if they just steped back and let the fight happen. I was a Fedor fan until all this went down now I'm done with him. I'm tired of excusses and all the BS.
 

Rydog255 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:22 pm ET
Yummy cool aid is it mmapunk? Or should i say Mr. White. Fedor in the UFC is inevitable, but he UFC is going to have to budge. There are terms out there that will make it work. Our Lord and Saviour Dana White just has to get over himself first. By the way i am in the game and see it happening around me all the time. Don't be so quick to judge Fedor on this one.
 

mmapunk on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:07 pm ET
Fedor will  NEVER sign with the UFC NEVER! If you think that you are just dreaming. He will have his three fights with strikeforce and then come up with some other excuse. Like oh the UFC won't let me wear pink shorts in the octagon. IT's all a bunch of BS! All you Fedor lovers need to just come to terms with your hero is ducking the UFC and the best fighters. Just except it. Read " Fedor is not the people champion" mmapunk.com
 

P4P on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:51 pm ET
M1=LEECHES
 

Ricksonbyarmbar on Aug 06, 2009 at 12:52 pm ET
I guess Hong Man was a worthy opponent with all his MMA experience?
 

dortch33 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:02 pm ET
Hey Nickhavok man dont worry about what all these fedor haters say. There are thousands of people that like fedor and we all read your comments and love what you do man.  just seems like we cant get a word in with out someone totally ripping off about cans and ducking.  These people cant show respect, sure some fighters hes faced are not the best. But look at anyones career and you can point out softies. Brock fighting a 45 year old man? yeah thats a great opponent.  Anyone who had as many fights as fedor and still no losses is unbelievable. You could be the best fighter in the world but if you fight that many times even agaisnt some lesser opponents there is a good chance your going to get caught somehow.  Fedor hasnt and that is truly amazing


WAR HAVOK
 

MMACrossfire on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:08 pm ET
Nice try, Nick.
 

NickHavok on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:45 pm ET
Right on, man!

It's funny, on the drive back from lunch I was thinking to myself...If anyone has fought has-beens and guys out of their prime it's Brock Lesnar!

Seriously, the only guy who wasn't was Frank Mir (and one could make the claim he isn't near the fighter he wonce was before his motorcycle wreck...but I won't)...and Frank beat him.

But Herring hasn't done anything in a while. When Fedor faced him in his prime in Pride he actually stopped Heath. A feat Brock was unable to do many years later.

And Randy. How old is he now?

Meanwhile Fedor is wiping out top 5 guys and former champions.
 

Pedrag on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:11 pm ET
Hey Nick you could try and be reasonable but most of these guys here truely believe everything with a UFC mark on it is the best in the world and the rest sucks. 
 

mouse9379 on Aug 06, 2009 at 8:16 pm ET
Does it matter how old Randy is? He can still obviously fight.
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 3:29 am ET
 On the drive back from lunch? Now that I see how much spare time you have I get how you come up with all this atrocious trolling...another piece of the puzzle falls into place......now if we could just find that shaved bald guy with a foul mouth that touched you wrong as a child we would have the whole picture :)
 

MMACrossfire on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:03 pm ET
"At the end of the day..."

How many times did you use that phrase?

His talk of "respect" is a straw man argument.  M-1's insistence on co-promoting with the UFC has nothing to do with respect.  It has to do with exposure for M-1.  It doesn't matter whether M-1's main dude has been in the MMA business for a long time.  M-1 as an entity has not been around for very long at all.  When you start a new business, you start back at square one.  They wanted to ride the coattails of the UFC, nothing more.  Now they're riding the "coattails" of Strikeforce, if Strikeforce has any to ride.

For Fedor himself, this could be a good move.  He gets cage time.  He uses up fights on his M-1 contract.  Then, he can come to the UFC.  We'll see how this plays out in a year.  I'm disappointed that I can't see him fight the best heavyweights in the world.  Perhaps he will when this drama has take its course.
 

Paradoxx on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:05 pm ET
Well, lets see. Out of the mass of fighters who popped up to take Barnett's place.. who did Fedor want? A green Brett Rogers. I think Fedor is tepid about facing a bigger, skilled opponent. He's hoping Roger's hasn't had to enough experience and will fall for the fedor-hype. Brock is already getting way mroe experience and I soubt the fedor mythos will bother Brock one bit.

Of course, what did you expect M-1 to say? They can't come out and say teh obvious. that they don't want Fedor agaisnt the best because 1 loss and they lost their meal ticket.
 

AgoniesCreep on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:06 pm ET
"Fedor is not dodgeing Brock Lesnar".... Actions speak louder than words buddy. I've been an out spoken critic of Dana many times but, I always try to be fair & call it as I see it. At first I was pissed at Dana over the sambo thing but, let's face it, Dana/ZUFFA bent over backwards to sign Fedors yellow butt. The UFC copromoteing with M-1 is stupid & I'd rather see the UFC copromote with "Cage Assault" or "XFL", as it would probely be more profitable & have more to gain for them. This is starting to look like Tito Ortiz back in the days when he had so many excuses not to fight Chuck. Fedor & his handelers can yap all they want but, there are only two possabilities here: 1. Fedor is ducking Lesnar & other top compatition. or 2. Fedor is M-1s' danceing monkey & will allow his reputation to be destroyed before he goes against his masters. Case closed!  
 

dangerfield on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:08 pm ET
[deleted, insults]
 

dangerfield on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:10 pm ET
Sorry Junkie sometimes you just feel the hate, and this guy really grinds my gears
 

IronJawJake on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:15 pm ET
Well, for all the marbles, for all the right comments about Lesnar that have still been as unflinching as Fedor's own critisism, I still haven't heard why else, other than Fedor, why else anyone like Dana should have gave up nearly half of Fedor's earnings (something no other fighter has done before) and others earnings on the same card....for a stable of Russian-based MMA fighters that haven't defeated many other top MMA names yet.  I love the strikeforce deal, they should keep the M-1 stable on the down-low just for a while incase a top star doesn't emerge in one year, and then we will see Fedor fight ON TV FOR FREE....and see if M-1 really carrys more than one or two top names other than Fedor. 
And yes Finkel, when you only opt for copromo, more money than normal is being transfered for the sake of one fighter, and therefore you are merely holding a golden goose for money AS WELL AS brand recognition/respect.  And when you are speaking for a fighter, I find it hard to look at Fedor as more than 40% of the decision making between the two of you, you could have just asked for copromo without the financial surplus and tried getting creative with advertising like Dana suggested (I've read). 
 

blaze1269 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:16 pm ET
UFC has a lot less to gain than M-1.  Sure fans would like to see this fight, but the fans would like to see a lot of fights that may not happen( may thay be unreasonable or bad matchups).  I think Dana did his best to get this fight and M-1 were acting as though if not for Fedor the UFC would be lost.  UFC has the most talented fighter pool of any organization, they are making the most money, and throwing the most events.  Given all the special treatment that Fedor thinks he is entitled to I wouldn't want him to come in and possibly win the title.  Who's to say more b.s. won't happen and fans have to wait two years for a title defense or he decides to just up and leave.  The UFC is going to probably just sit back and watch all the other organizations fail and wait until Fedor has no choice.  I think if Fedor kept fighting and fighting top ranked guys he would do much better against Brock but who knows now since he hasn't been tested in so long, and since he has never faced a guy with Brock's strength and athletic combination.  Who knows but if I don't see it, I won't lose sleep since the excitement is long gone. 
 

tbird on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:31 pm ET
comparing the rosters of the ufc heavies and strikeforce's and saying that fedor can get top quality fights in strikeforce is like saying tom brady really wants to play the best teams and is signing with the ufl over the nfl get real strikeforce is a good second tier promotion not in the big leagues thats why we dont see barry bonds hitting homers for the toledo mudhens it not real competition for him he wants the majors where as fedor is content with padding his record over lesser competition and praying lashley doesnt keep improving and signing there so he doesn't lose.Rogers may very well have twice as many career fights as Lesnar but not the same quality of fights and as for not finishing Herring he did exactly what he wanted to do he smashed him and pounded him for 15 minutes showing good control and composure.Fedor may be the greatest but fighting UFC throwaway fighters who were a shell of their former selves does not impress me.Using the logic that Sylvia was a top HW then maybe Fedor needs to fight Mercer who Kimbo submitted in his first fight.And as far as rankings go in the MMA world they are a bigger joke than boxing rankings the only thing that matters is are you a champion and as far as I know the only belts that count right now are UFC and Strikeforce and Fedor has neither.
 

wfopen on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:32 pm ET
$0$0 $0 $0The stupidity amazes me lol$0
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:36 pm ET
"We feel we have the best fighter in the world. You feel you have the best fighter in the world. Let's throw them in the cage, and let's see who the best fighter is." - Jerry Millen

This says it all. The UFC just got called out. It's time to put up or shut up.
 

Slade24 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:01 pm ET
Same tactic Affliction used. How are they doing? The fact is Dana White should never do anything that helps M-1. If Fedor wants to fight Lesnar he knows where he is. Otherwise he should continue to stand really far away, stick his tongue out and scream "you can't get me".
 

snakechamer on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:51 pm ET
WHAT'S HE TALKING ABOUT? Fedor v. Lesnor is the fight that most fans want. It's the fight to make. I watched the $0Fedor press conference on youtube and this dude came like a useless tool. Wasn't he part of Pride. He's pissed at $0 $0Dana over the how the whole Pride take over went down. Whatever. $0
 

cfk87 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET
[deleted, make your point without the insults. -admin]
 

MG22 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:54 pm ET

There is no doubt that Fedor is beast and deserves all his accolades, but he definantly is losing some respect now. He gets a chance to make major money and fight the true best in the world and he opts for the B leagues. What does Strikeforce offer him? Rodgers he's and up and comer but still relatively unproven... Werdum is a UFC cast off who couldn't cut it.. come on. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big fan of Brock at all... But to me Fedor definantly wants no part of Lesnar... Fedor knows that would be his first fight in the UFC an immediate title fight and he goes with Stikeforce. So much for wanting to prove your the best fighter in the world Fedor!!! 

 

Pedrag on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:33 pm ET
Wait you say Fedor loses respect for this??
What about Dana White and his comments on Fedor?  That really pisses me off.  Being the hypocrite asshole that he is he should better keep his mouth shut and get a decent spokesperson for the UFC.  Every second word in his interviews is [expletive] anyway.  Dont get me wrong i love the UFC and what they did to make MMA popular (alltho i think it wouldve gained popularity even without UFC), but i just cant stand that little Dana bitch.
 

Grappling102 on Aug 06, 2009 at 1:58 pm ET
Jerry millen is scum of the earth and even he knows it.
 

sven on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:10 pm ET
HAHA exactly. I dont think Fedor is dodging Brock either but like I would EVER take Jerry Millen's word for it.
 

BiGbEnT80 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:12 pm ET
HAHA...just like Fedor wants to fight top competition...what a joke...M1 and Fedor can kiss my rosey red rolls royce driven ass   
 

Bloodsport on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:13 pm ET
I'm so sick of seeing people b itch in these forums, claiming to be the all mighty fan not to name any names but it rhymes with Nick Havok mostly. Quit your damn b itching if you don't like it don't watch it. I don't favor anybody  or org in perticular I've been watching mma for over 12 years. I consider myself a hardcore fan, all I want to see is good fights I mean theres a few  fighters I favor over others because they put on a better show but damn people! Quit bickering like a bunch of high school girls and love the sport. If someone has an opinion agree or respectfully disagree. Hey and who cares if Fedor is scared of Brock, I am too.
 

KAY-OH on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:16 pm ET
Against Millen's spin:

- Brock Lesnar may have 5 fights, but he's beat 3 of the current top 10 Heavyweights in those 5 fights (#4 Mir, #5 Nogueira, #6 Couture on Sherdog and mmaweekly). 

- UFC has better heavyweight competition than Strikeforce.  UFC has 6 current top 10 ranked heavyweights, Strikeforce has 1 other than Fedor.  M-1 wants respect?  Look elsewhere, cause you've lost mine with your corporate-centric model of co-promotion to "grow" i.e. share in another company's profits, infrastructure, brand name etc...  If you want respect, stick to your own promotion and build your own name.

- "Millen: Do a co-promotion. They do it in boxing every day." And today boxing is the biggest joke of a sport that rarely puts on entertaining fights that fans want to see.  Boxing is full of corruption with co-promotion and there is a ton of fight dodging.  Dana White is protecting the quality and legitmacy of MMA by keeping the UFC out of co-promotion and the world of boxing.

- Personally, as a huge fan of MMA in general and Fedor, even though I hate Lesnar, I do not want to see the Fedor-Lesnar fight if it means pressuring UFC to enter co-promotion.  Millen has this backwards, what fans of MMA must do is pressure M-1 to drop the co-promotion business scheme, take the big cheque the UFC is offering and do a catchweight contest between Fedor-Lesnar.  This will mean that it will not be a title bout so Fedor does not have to get locked into the UFC with the champion clause if he wins.  Everybody wins.
 

IronJawJake on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:28 pm ET
that last part of what you said, and countless other ideas would have worked, but if their ending the UFC deal was the right move and not the "wrong" move, they will reap the right benefits instead of adding to the short "list" that started with Kimbo and now includes Barnett at the end...
 

bigdmmafan on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:13 pm ET
When did Brock fight Nog?
 

skateboy30 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:29 pm ET
Fedors marketability is his record, thus he and M1 are trying to pry what they can out of UFC and White.  Given the financial track record of where Fedor has fought, he is in a position unsuitable for bargaining.  The other issue is Fedor fighting Brock is a risk as Fedor might lose the fight and in turn his marketability.  The crowd will ask 'who can beat Fedor' only as long as Fedor remains unbeaten (I like many do not count the cut stoppage as a loss).  This is his sole bargaining chip, if he gets manhandled by Brock he is just another heavyweight.

From UFC's standpoint they are not in the business of financially propping up competitors, so they have no incentive to sign Fedor, especially if he is, in fact, just another heavyweight.
 

JiZZO417 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:31 pm ET
i am curious nick havoc if fedor gets beat by brett rodgers are you still going to praise him?? rodgers has not beaten anyone that has a resume where you can be so pumped up to see a fight between fedor and rodgers...overeem we all know that dude takes something his head has grown 3 times bigger then what it used to be..thats why he only fights in japan..and i bet money if he fights in the usa that he will be gassed by the first round if he fought fedor and it will get taken to the ground and fedor will get a arm bar or he might knocked him out..i wasent to thrill with the decision of going to strikeforce because after he fights those two or should i say 3 i forgot werdum who does he have to fight??? if he would of went to the ufc and say he fought lesnar and lost he could of fought legit contenders or fights that people would be interested to see because those fighters have backgrounds and names that have been built to be acknowledge by a true mma fan..fighters like carwin gonzaga,couture,mir,cain,lesnar,kongo,heath herr,nog,cro cop...hey even if he runs threw all of those fighters which wont happen!!guys at lhw could make the jump to hw like rampage,forrest,anderson silva...these guys all walk around 225 especially forrest which is big as hell i saw him at the fan expo...what the point is ufc has the competition and has a lot of match ups for any interesting fight what the hell does strikeforce have to offer you tell me??? You will soon see jake shields and nick diaz in the ufc cause there is no matches that would interested us as fans and for them as fighters to make there legacy and right now ufc is where its at PERIOD!! jerry millen is a joke : )
 

Lickitysplit on Aug 06, 2009 at 6:10 pm ET
I'm curious when are you going to stop swinging from Dana's balls? Because if you really had any clue about fighting at all you'd know that one win or loss does not a career make. And though you weren't obviously around for it mma has been around for a while and Fedor's so called legacy is already set. He has nothing to prove he is the man at the top like it or hate it - it doesn't change a thing. He would have to lose to several pieces of sh*t before his legend is tarnished even slightly. And Brett Rogers is a real fighter fight him and see.
 

mikeD612 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:34 pm ET
At the end of the day.. At the end of the day.. At the end of the day... I hope and pray Gary Millen does not make it to the end of the day and is eaten slowly by a crocodile. That would make me soo happy. I've never hated anyone that I have never seen or met in person as much as I hate this scum. He is a slimy leech just like the hangers-on and leeches who were all over Michael Jackson before he died. If something ever happened to Fedor (god forbid) Gary would be unemployed. He needs Fedor to make a living and knows NOTHING about MMA - just ask Bas Rutten."I think I'm a pretty good judge of character.." Are you Gary??? I don't think you are you slimy scummy piece of garbage. I hope he has a stroke.. at the end of the day.. Any interview he has EVER given he brings up the UFC. Watch him interviewing Barnett before the latter popped the drug test. Instead of talking about "Trilogy" he just talked about how Affliction is bigger and better for the MMA fans than UFC and UFC 100. If Dana White offered him a job as the UFC's "Fedor Basher" (I know, stupid job), he would take it in a SPLIT SECOND and rip on Fedor all day long. The fact that Fedor has this guy working for him shows you how much Fedor actually knows of all his busineess dealings, etc.

Whew - that felt fantastic
 

Chimney_Sweeper on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:46 pm ET
'At the end of the day' everybody is tired and pissed off with this back and fourth scenario. If Fedor wanted to secure his legacy, all he needed to do was sign a 3 fight deal with the UFC and defeat the top 3 heavyweights, have that wrapped up in 12 months - then simply leave.

But he hasn't done that. Its starting to make me wonder what sort of fighter he is that he would opt to fight for Strikeforce and fight lower tier fighters.

He should have grabbed that UFC deal with both hands, Fedor is human - and can lose. If he loses a fight in Strikeforce, the UFC will never offer him the same deal again.

His loss.
 

earl on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:59 pm ET
"At the end of the day" has got to be the stupidest f^cking thing a person could say 100 times in a 2 minutes span.  What a dumb, dumb bastard.
 

ev on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:39 pm ET
I want to see a fight between Fedor and Brock as much as the next guy, but if Fedor doesn't respect Dana and doesn't want to work for the guy, I don't blame him.  I know co-promotion was the big deal breaker, but Dana has insulted Fedor numerous times and then all of sudden he starts saying how he really wants Fedor.  I must say, I want Fedor to fight the best competition, which is mostly in the UFC aside from a few guys outside of the UFC.  However, I wouldn't want to go fight for guy that has just been talking sh*t about me for two years, make him a ton of money on top of it.  But I guess that is the nature of most promoters.
 

CantGetEnuff on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:40 pm ET
shouldn't the "not" be taken out of title, probably a typo.
 

foch41 on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:47 pm ET
Fedor = afraid of Brock Lesnar.


I will get deleted because the admin is in love with the sissy/bully known as Fedor who beats up on no names and has-been's.  Right now Fedor is a joke.
 

LegendKiller on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:48 pm ET
No cares to see Fedor this damn bad.....peace Fedor... have fun fighting nobodys
 

wolvie on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:49 pm ET
"Do a co-promotion. They do it in boxing every day.                   and look were there headed
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:53 pm ET
JOKE.....................................
 

Recerock on Aug 06, 2009 at 2:54 pm ET
I like turtles...
 

MMAkiler316 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:04 pm ET
CALM down everything will be settled
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:07 pm ET
It has been made crystal clear that Brock Lesnar is welcome to step into the cage and fight Fedor. Who is ducking who now?
 

KWhite86 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:11 pm ET
First off.....does anyone know who the F this guy is ?? and secondly who the hell does he think he is to diss up Brock And how UFC used him and that Fedor isnt ducking Brock ?? yeah okay thats why fedor went to a BUNK association for LESS money ?? yeah hes not ducking lesnar ... fedor is russian for i dont care about the fans or my credibility as a fighter n im scared of the ufc n top competition....F*&%^# KIMBO IS IN THE UFC !!!! and fedor is fighting for strikeforce ??? that right there shows me that Fedor doesnt wanna fight the best and everyone hates on KIMBO least hes testing himself against the best on the planet and hes not ducking them like fedor is...FEDORS PATHETIC!!!
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:17 pm ET
The only person saying that Brock Lesnar, or any other UFC fighter, can't fight Fedor is Dana White. Dana is only matching UFC fighters against UFC fighters.
 

n4tacon on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:24 pm ET
Before everyone quickly jumps onto how "right" Millen is, perhaps you should read something:


http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/bas-rutten-exposes-gary-jerry-millen/

He's been involved with several promotions before with little success. In fact, I want to say the last one was EliteXC. So let's see, I'm really going to trust someone who's been involved with PrideFC and EliteXC's failures. Yep sounds like a great idea. The truth is that Fedor's management has repeatedly said that Lesnar continues to learn with every fight and will get more dangerous as time goes on. It's in their best interest to get this fight over with now as opposed to later. Don't forget, guys, it's easier to duck a legit opponent by heading elsewhere than the UFC right now!
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:31 pm ET
"We feel we have the best fighter in the world. You feel you have the best fighter in the world. Let's throw them in the cage, and let's see who the best fighter is." - Jerry Millen

Dana White could put Jerry Millen to the test of truth by allowing Brock Lesnar to fight Fedor. The UFC has been given an open invitation to put their best man, Lesnar or otherwise, in the ring against Fedor.
 

Ryderdie on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:04 pm ET
Exactly, well said.
 

damastashonuff on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:32 pm ET
Once Fedor loses, and he will eventually lose if he continues to fight, he will come crawling to the UFC for a Brock fight. Unfortunately after a loss, he will not get the immediate shot. In the meantime, Fedor's name will still not reach the mainstream MMA fans due to being hidden away on Showtime.

Millen needs to stfu. Every single derogatory remark he made about Dana, he is guilty of himself. They are both in the business of making money and will say exactly what needs to be said to keep making money. The difference here is that Dana actually makes money for his business, while Millen's business kills any organization it touches. Fedor is the Grim Reaper. Every Org he has fought for has died.
 

GoCats on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:46 pm ET
Fedor will not craw to the UFC.  Despite not signing this time,  after he cleans out the few decent heavyweights that Stikeforce has,  Dana and the Fertittas will still be tripping over each other to sign the best fighter ever. 
 

seeg on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:22 pm ET
Mark my words;  The UFC will NEVER sign a fighter that insists on co-promotion!  The UFC was NOTHING when Dana and the F brothers took over.  They have made it what it is today;  the most financially stable and profit MMA organization with an overwhelming majority of the best MMA fighters on the planet.
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:38 pm ET
White, on Fedor to SF:

“They should have stayed the way they were,” White said.
“He’ll put them out of business,” White said. “They have no money. These guys have no money and they have no distribution. Four f---king people watch Showtime.”   NickHavoc being ONE?“

We’ll see what happens,” White said. “If they want to fight me, we’re gonna fight. We know how that goes, and we know how it ends.”  
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:42 pm ET
IF Dana White allowed Brock Lesnar to fight Fedor and Lesnar won the fight decisively, THAT could really hurt Strikeforce's growth pattern. With that in mind you have to wonder WHY Dana won't let Brock Lesnar fight Fedor. There must be too much downside risk for the UFC to have their Champion lose to the outside competition.
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:04 pm ET
There's nothing to gain from UFC.  Why do that if they still reaching new heights Globally?   Dana should just to a UFC in Russia to stick it to M-1.  Maybe the Mob up there won't let him do it.  But Bribe will....lol
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:34 pm ET
That's the real issue. Dana White isn't going to allow Brock Lesnar to fight Fedor because the upside gain doesn't outweigh the downside risk.
 

rush16 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:47 pm ET
This Jerry Millen is an idiot. All I hear is "what is good for M-1 Global", dude who gives a sh*t about M-1, its a f*cking leech of a promotion and is the soul reason Fedor aint in the UFC.
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:50 pm ET
Out of curiosity, what difference does it make if Fedor isn't signed with UFC as long as he can fight all comers regardless of their affiliation?
 

W3BB13 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:51 pm ET
Two words: prove it.

Fedor's camp has done nothing whatsoever to prove that they really want the fight with Brock Lesnar.

So, again... prove it. Actions speak louder than words.
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:53 pm ET
"We feel we have the best fighter in the world. You feel you have the best fighter in the world. Let's throw them in the cage, and let's see who the best fighter is." - Jerry Millen

That's publicized proof. It's on record. Now the UFC needs to put up or shut up.
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:20 pm ET
No, its call SHIET talk.  Money, pride, & alot of fu.ckers are the issue here!
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:30 pm ET
The ball is now in the UFC's court. The UFC was served notice when Jerry Millan publicy pronounced, "We feel we have the best fighter in the world. You feel you have the best fighter in the world. Let's throw them in the cage, and let's see who the best fighter is." Will Dana White accept that challenge? Will he put his best fighter in the cage against Fedor?
 

mouse9379 on Aug 06, 2009 at 8:15 pm ET
Are you just going to say the same crap over and over again? Obviously the UFC is not going to co-promoote, they have no need to. They basically built MMA to what it is today in North America and all co-promoting does is let a little crap company piggyback off of their success. Take a business class  or something.
 

MMAFighting on Aug 06, 2009 at 10:35 pm ET
I don't disagree that it's not in the UFC's best interest to allow Brock Lesnar to fight Fedor. Business wise it is not worth the risk unless of course the UFC believed Brock Lesnar could get the job done. Without that kind of belief it makes perfect business sense for the UFC to turn down the challenge to have Brock Lesnar fight Fedor in the cage. Make no mistake about it, it is the UFC that is walking away from the fight not Fedor.
 

stardog88 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:52 pm ET
in the end Strikeforce's  signing Fedor will lead to its eventual demise.Dana never had a problem with Strikeforce in fact he use give them praise.But now they have left Dana no choice but to go to war with them.from what ive seen in the past thats not a war strikeforce or even fedor can win.the UFC is going to suffer just because of one fighter. elitexc and affliction couldnt do it, what makes these guys think they can?
 

Lee31 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:53 pm ET
Guess who Joe Rogan thinks is the best mma fighter? .................. Fedor!!!!!!
 

skateboy30 on Aug 06, 2009 at 3:57 pm ET
Joe Rogan is an actor with a microphone.
 

Lee31 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:04 pm ET
How about GSP?  Is he an actor with a microphone?  Guess who GSP said is the best P4P MMA fighter in the world?  Drumroll Please..................... Emelianenko Fedor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Recerock on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:19 pm ET
he's canadian, he has no idea what the question was....
 

Lee31 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:37 pm ET
lol he butchered fedors name too. 
 

tapncry on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:03 pm ET
I love how Randy has become an "over the hill has been"...how he was just fed to Brock...wasnt it just months ago on this same forum where those same people saying how Randy was going to kill Brock...Randy just has to much experiance for Brock...but now after watching Brock dismantle Randy he was a washed up past his prime... Aside from Mir obviously beating Brock...Randy has given him his toughest challenge...We saw Brock and Mir II and I have to believe that will happen if the faced eachother 8 more times... Now we can get upset at the guy because He "layed" on Mir and they should have been stood up, that is the only way he can win...but we love it when GSP layed on Alves for 5 rds...I guess my point is Brock is legit and I truly doubt Fedor can beat him, there is always a punchers chance and that is what fedor has...Carwin will prove to be a tougher test for Brock then Fedor...
 

rush16 on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:31 pm ET
I wont say Randy is washed up until he gets completely destroyed in a fight, IMO for a guy weighing 220 he did pretty dam good against Brock. I think when he smashes a "healthy" Big Nog people will finally see that good old Cotoure definitly has a some fight left in him, I mean I still wanna see him and Fedor go at it.
 

ReDx on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:09 pm ET
He's right, Fedor isn't dodging Brock. M-1 is the one doing the dodging, Fedor has no say so in what he does.
 

Ming-Gow on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:27 pm ET
 I say Dana should just sign Alex E, and SLAM the door on ANY further dealings with Fedor, He has been slitting his own throat for the last 3 years, ONLY retards like Nick Havoc think Fedor is worth his weight in perogies. When fighters think they are bigger than the sport it's time for the fans to simply say>>>>> "Suck my balls !!!!!"
 

Lee31 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:32 pm ET
Alex E would be awesome to see too!!!  He has been doing great.  Do not think he can fight state side though.  Rumors of Hep B and visa problems.  Fedor is still number 1.  Alex has greately improved.  Might be top ten in the HWs soon.
 

quake_masta on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:43 pm ET
#1 - Jerry Millen is an idiot.
#2 - Dana's Finally CORRECT on this for a change.
#3 - Fedor needs to leave m1, before he loses ALLLL his respect.
#4 - I got 5 bucks on Lesnar anyways.
#5 - Jerry Millen's comment that "they co-promote in boxing every day." <----- what is BOXING?  LMAO.
 

Lee31 on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:49 pm ET
Ill take that bet and to be fair give you 8-1 on it.  lol  Maybe 10-1 LMAO
 

Jkun on Aug 06, 2009 at 4:51 pm ET
AS I was saying before Fedor owns part of M-1 he is actually working for himself he's co -owner of that company, The UFC dosen't want to co-promote is because they want to call the all the shots in any of their fighters bussines meaning they can't make their own deal via promoting via clothing line, Games Ext. No fighter in the UFC calls the shots and have an exclusive deal with the UFC!, so with Fedor and his management it's smart bussiness it also opened up alo of dorrs for strikeforce overseas as well bringing new fighters to the states and Strikeforce fighters to Japan!. Fedor did not dissolve Affliction!, affliction dissolved affliction!. Nor did he dissolve any of the promotions that he work for " Pride " FC, if I remember correctly UFC bought pride and tried to make it like the UFC is changing the rules and brining it stateside which they on put on 3 shows stateside, here stateside it was not as popular as it was in Japan, they( UFC) disbanded Pride and picked up most of their fighters normally you would have not seen in the states if you did not follow pride so to make that statement that Fedor dissolved pride is just plain dumb!. Don't get me wrong I like both organization Strikeforce and UFC thy bioth hhave great fighters in both stables to say one is better than the other really dosen't make sense both of them are great companies putting on great shows. UFC does excellent PPV where as strikeforce does great Live shows and Showtime. Dana white was talking sh*t before because he could not sign him , then all of a sudden started talking great about him because the oppertunity came up to sign him , now is talking sh*t again because strikeforce has him....U make the call there! to me he is just pissed off because he could not get him and strikeforce did!. Now with the brock lesnar situation I hardly think Fedor is running or ducking from him I think Fedor would hand Brock his ass in his hands!( bareknuckle beatdown!) alot of people are saying that but Brock is stil realatively new to the sport and is not on Fedor's level. Also I don't feel he deserved a Title shot right off the bat either! they were alot more deserving people int the UFC's heavy wieght division who way should have gotten a shot before him!, Gonzaga, Carwin, Vasquez, Kongo...they put in the time and the work what has brock lesnar done to deserve it?. ..abosolutely nothing!.
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:27 pm ET
Is Jerry Russian?
 

FedortheFightDodger on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:50 pm ET
I love his argument about Brock not deserving to fight Fedor.

Maybe when Brock has a resume more similar to Hong Man Choi's he will be deserving.
 

JustMe on Aug 06, 2009 at 5:58 pm ET
Process of elimination.  As Fedor grapple Aoki.  Brock needs to wrestle Sean Sherk.
 

Jkun on Aug 06, 2009 at 7:06 pm ET
this is in repose too. FedortheFightDodger,

Hell no I do not feel brock deserved a shot before the other hard working HW in the division he has on 4 or 5 fights and has put in no work!. These other guys in the division like Carwin, Gonzaga, Vasquez, kingo have put in work to gett he shot what has Brock lesnar done to deserve a title shot?......as I recall for the specific show your talking about with Fedor and Hong man choi... He called out Fedor,.... Fedor did not call out him!. He also did not turn down the fight he took it and ran right through him!.
 

Lickitysplit on Aug 06, 2009 at 6:03 pm ET
As an American, I have no idea what it is to be Russian or how they handle sh*t talking and disrespect, but A Bulgarian friend of mine told me that they have little tolerance for such things and would be more likely to kill the person than sign a contract with them. I know as a man I would never work for a coward who hides behind a microphone and calls a real fighter out for his own gains. I love the UFC and will always watch inspite of Dana White, though I acknowledge his contribution to the sport I love.
 

POIN_DEXTER on Aug 06, 2009 at 7:25 pm ET
Does anybody know, is Millen off the junk?
 

white on Aug 06, 2009 at 8:34 pm ET
feedor's legacy is that he is the best managed fighter in the history of the modern game.  vadim is a master of smoke and mirrors...look how brought down azzliction.
 

mmaKAITAIA on Aug 06, 2009 at 10:50 pm ET
FEDOR is a hand puppet! his manager is the hand... i am just about over this drama! its like chewing on aluminium foil and cutting my hair with a cheese grater! or watching days of our lives omnibus! Nick i have been reading your posts for about a year now.. some times you make sense other times its like listening to a dude  who sniffs glue!
 

cbass209 on Aug 07, 2009 at 2:34 am ET
Brock would destroy fedor
 

jump65 on Aug 07, 2009 at 3:02 am ET
Fedor turned down 30 million for 5 fights in the UFC what a greedy d-bag. His M1 promoter manager needs to be fired ASAP!!! ...30 million for 5 fights ....fedor must be seriously impared to turn that down. He will never be able to make that kind of $$ especially if he loses a few fights. Alovski had Fedor backing up for the first time in his career Fedor looked betable and confused. Ive never seen a fighter get knocked out on the way up, then to fall to the ground like a
limp bizcut. Fedor what are you THINKING???? have you lost your mind????
 

LegendaryPieman on Aug 07, 2009 at 3:36 am ET
Jerry Millen.....well at least now we know what NickHavok's real name is.
 

Portillo on Aug 07, 2009 at 4:58 am ET
I dont think he's dodging Brock. If Fedor doesnt sign after his M1 contract is over, then there is no doubt he is ducking the UFC competition.
 

DUGAN on Aug 07, 2009 at 5:15 am ET
You have to admit that Millen's argument about Lesnar being propped up and manufactured holds water. Dude, its not about the fighters in the UFC, its about the dollar. I get a sick feeling when such a great sport like fighting goes the way of proping some cool looking dude with a weiner on his chest(who only has five fights)to make tons of cash. Mabey he will turn out to be a great fighter, but come on man, five fights! So many guys deserved that shot. But again its about the cash, which is such a bummer.
 

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