Is it Windows 7 or KDE 4? In this video, we take to Sydney's streets to find out what people think of what they think is a Windows 7 demonstration.
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The net result? Mainly, people just didn't like Vista.
What do you think? Do Windows 7 and KDE 4 just look way too alike to tell the difference? Which one looks better? Post your comments below.
yeah, i'd like to see that part.
"by the way, this isn't windows, and it won't run any of your sh*t"
"oh, well i won't be using THAT then. thanks for pointing it out."
Well...actually it kinda does...
I mean... people already use free software...
Most of people use Firefox...
VLC is also pretty much popular...
So does OpenOffice...
And for everything else... well, you see what they said : KDE4 is easier (and KDE4 does everything a lambda user may want to do... and much more).
Most people don't use Firefox. They've made gains but I think they are at 30%.
I have Windows 7 and Unbuntu with KDE4 on my laptop and they are definitely similar and I actually like them both equally. However in terms of device integration (mobile phones). Windows still does a better job. If you are going to use a computer for office work and nothing but I would always recommend Ubuntu. But for daily life and plug and go functionality Windows is still better. Granted you can get almost anything to work on linux. It just takes more work. Community support is great if you have a certain level of knowledge already. But you tell Joe the Plumber that he needs to enter a sudo command in terminal to install that third party app to get his ndiswrapper installed so his wireless N card will sort of work is too much.
Linux has a bit of work before it can truly be called an end user OS for the masses.
you come to that conclusion after trying Ubuntu "on your laptop?" Wow, I guess that makes you quite an expert.
What takes a lot of work is installing windows, installing all the drivers, installing all the anti-virus and anti-malware programs, keeping the system running past 6 weeks without it getting bogged down, and getting used to the awful interface that breaks almost every rule of good user interface design that exists.
Linux is already used on millions of desktops around the world, in business, in government, in homes. It doesn't have a lot of work "before it truly can be called an end user OS for the masses," that's absurd. What needs a lot of work are people's low level of computer knowledge and biased attitudes in favor of windows that they've picked up through marketing, despite all the major headaches on windows for end users.
Were are those rules you referring to, would love to see what they based on.
Redmond probably employs GP's, Biokineticists, hell throw in a Orthopaedic surgeon while we're at it to assist with ergonomics and design.
again,
please post those rule.
I never enter any command to make my GNU/Linux system to work.
It's only because I use Mandriva Linux 2009.
There is a great tool called the mandriva control center.
everything is available there, even a tool for setting up a web or ftp server.
regards,
J-Y.
You have heard of Wine, right?
And you are aware that the many users only use a browser and an email client, right?
Yes butt it sucks - less speed, less features.
Yes, but it doesn't quite have the integration needed. Even to be able to get KDE applications on Windows open files correctly in other non-KDE applications on Windows is hard for me. I'm a KDE user since 3.2 or so and Windows user long before being Linux user, though I'm not so "experienced" user in Windows as in Linux, but still more advanced than any average user I think.
I am going to run COD World at War on WINE...and have native drivers fro my 8800GT. Yeah, okay Linux fan boi.
Win XP is just fine thanks.
Nvidia actually has very good drivers for linux.
Also, COD 4 works with wine, and the only thing that doesn't work yet for COD 5 is the sound.
Oh, is that all that doesn't work? Well sound isn't important.
Yeah, you're right. Use that system good system from 2001. As a software developer myself I'd be horrified if my users would stick to ancient pieces of software instead of getting newer and clearly technologically far superior versions.
Vista might have some usability problems but other than that it's fine. And Windows 7 will be even better.
And hey -- the Linux fan boy is probably running a fairly recent and securely configured OS. :-P
see, the problem is that people want to use their computers. Thus, and OS with usability problems = fail. Which is why anyone wanting to use their machine sticks with XP.
He.. the usability argument is actually what switches most people over to Linux. Most people I know actually want to use their computer to get work done.. that leaves them with two options.. shell out lots of cash and get a Mac.. or install Ubuntu or the likes.
My system which is quite powerful can't run for more than 26minutes on XP playing COD4... however i can play as long as I want on Vista or windows 7 beta no problems.... So you like XP's Blue screen, I found that the drivers vista / 7 use are a double driver, a low level driver (windows default) and a second optimized driver over the top, NVidia in my case. i might get a slightly lower frame rate but who can see the difference in 75 fps and 70 fps on a system that doesn't crash.
Uh, backwards compatibility is important, chump. You must be one of those space-cadet developers..no offense!
Okay, maybe Windows XP is ancient. But you know what, it works! Why change something if it isn't broken....
Honestly, what can Vista do that you can't do in XP? I mean it's got nicer graphics and all... but is there anything really innovative in it?
So as a software developer you only care what the latest OS is rather than the one actually in use? Sounds a little naive to me.
So what kind of software developer are you? My guess:
Visual Basic. If so, please don't refer to yourself as a software developer.
Yeah, Linux is outdated b/c it does not come with a Visual Basic compiler, right?
If you can come up with reasonable arguments - I doubt it that you can - , I might reconsider calling you a fanboyish flamer.
Have you tried? Cuz, uh, it would work. Boi.
So ... uhm, you haven't upgraded to Vista yet? Why not? ... Because of the supremely stable OS? Or the superior security model? Or maybe because you don't want to buy a quad processor and 4 Gigs of ram to be able to run a web browser?
Just curious.
I run vista ultimate on a pentium D with 2gb of ram and a 320gb hdd. I've not had any problems running my browser, trillian and burning DVDs at the same time. Way to ride the media bandwagon there chump.
'pentium D with 2gb of ram and a 320gb hdd'
I have a Via C3 533Mhz, 128Mhz Ram, 4Go Compact Flash.
fanless, noiseless, energyless (40W+15w for the monitor) computer with xubuntu.
(XP can't run with this computer, and vista too, of course)
I surf many hours a day without pb.
If you like noise and electric bill, for surfing or watch a film (DVD and streaming), it's your choice ^^
Well actually its because of the stupid security model (are you sure, are you really sure, well, hmm, I don't know, are you sure you're sure? Sorry, even though you're an admin, you're not REALLY an admin, so forget it, I won't let you).
Stable? Yeah already been hacked just as much as any other Micro-shyt OS.
And all that wonderful compatibility. All the really odd little important things to people won't work on it - guess what! Buy all new software versions because Micro-shyt didn't test it out before shoving it down your throat.
if you insist on using winblows, you can at least dual-boot it. i mean it is free...
If you go to the nvidia website you'll see that the drivers for linux and windows are always at the same version (having the same functionality and supporting the same cards).
I know that wine isn't a perfect solution, but the games that DO work usually work better than in windows. And for the most current games it usually takes the devs a couple of weeks to get them work (if the games are well written). A lot of games work out-of-the-box with wine on release date.
Also more and more game developers are releasing binaries for their games that allow them to run natively in Linux because the realized there IS a market.
If you like what you have, stick with it. But don't spread nonsense about things you have no clue about ;)
Actually, nVidia puts out native drivers for most flavours of Linux. I'm with you on Windows being simpler than most people, but that doesn't excuse ignorance.
Wine recently followed up one of my bug reports, filed in 2005. I'm aware of wine, I'm aware that it doesn't work; I'm aware that many linux supporters say that it does and I'm aware that after trying it again at their behest, it still didn't work. So no, that's not a solution.
Wine is still a joke, until it can work with mono to support .net apps that are not fully supported by mono (eg because of p/invoke calls) then its next to useless.
Wine is excellent software. And you can keep mono and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. We're better off without the likes of Mono, Moonlight and Miguel de Icaza.
It won't run any of the millions of windoze virus' either.
It is actually possible to run a few windows virus on wine. Last week there was some guy who took 5 virus and run them on wine (just ggl it). But sadly enough, the highest threat of those virus was annoying you.
So if you run a windows emulator on linux you can get a virus...
Damn i better switch back to windows.
running a windows virus in linux doesn't break anything.. it is just fun (or annoying) to watch.. when you're done you just close the emulator (simply said).
So, is WINE really an emulator? Yeah, its name is Wine Is Not an Emulator, but that really doesn't quarantee that it actually isn't, does it? But, is an application that implements the Windows API so that Windows applications can run natively and on about the same speed on Linux and other OSes WINE supports, really an emulator?
I am well and truly sick and tired of idiots like you who posture, repeating verbatim the well worn "won't run any of your sh*t" line even though it simply is not true, and has not been true for years now.
Get a life.
hahahahahahah
this is great stuff
I wan't to know too... did you tell them it was actually Linux/KDE?
Personally I think you did learn a few things...
1. The average person on the street knows very little about technology.
2. Average users really don't want to learn how to use thier current OS
3. Really beleive the hype
4. Cover switch is really cool. That seems to be the only thing they were reacting to. How come you didn't show them The Cube? That'd have clinched it.
Cute video, but pretty superficial. And kind of meaningless without getting their reactions to finding out it's not Windows.
I also saw a demo where a vista system with a new desktop wallpaper and some widgts was shown to a test group of users and told it was a Windows 7 prototype. Most people said it was faster and easier to use than Vista.
A lot of Vistas problem was it was new, and got bagged by the press early on. It runs fine, just like any other windows OS, once you have the right drivers and AV software up and installed. However I just ike the out of the box juts works nature of my Linux boxes 8)
That video was made by MS. It was called Windows Mojave or something. You're taking marketing materials for factual research?
So good, I can't add my own.
People seemed impressed with the look of it, but you can draw your own conclusion from that.
Not that I've used KDE 4.2 or win7 myself...
That was a great video!
Thanks for making it.
Why didn't you use Amarok 2 instead of Amarok 1.x?
And why didn't you tell the people in the end that it was KDE 4?
Otherwise great video ;)
"Why didn't you use Amarok 2"
Maybe because it is ugly?
I also don't use Amarok 2, because of it's ugliness and disabled versatility. KDE went the wrong way, they did something that GNOME team doe's for some time... And that's bad, actualy very bad.
Amarok2 isnt a part of KDE, it's just an application that runs off kdelibs. And although it is one of the most important ones, and perhaps encompasses some of the same developers, it's important to distinguish it from the actual KDE desktop environment.
And uh it's not so ugly..
KDE4 is work codename of Win7 from Microsoft.
jokes aside, I so far like KDE3.5 much more then 4.2. I mean except visual bling in 4.2 everything else look to be unfinished, broken or non existent, but especially cluttering way to get things done. Unless you want to scale and rotate some plasmoid at your desktop, I bet at that part 4.2 is much much better then 3.5. But that somehow doesn't impress me.
If you have to ask what KDE 4 is, then you are not a Linux user. KDE 4 is the latest desktop environment for Linux from the K Development Team. What's even more amazing, is that KDE 4.2 is still beta software, and it works better and faster than Windows 7.
Windows 7 (I've used the beta), to me, looks like KDE that's poorly implemented. It has the look (albeit a bad look) and feel (but not as configurable) as KDE. Any Windows user would be amazed at just how easily KDE can be configured.
It looks like MS has stolen another idea (but isn't that their business model?) and implemented it poorly. A while back, lots of MS folks were crowded around the KDE booth at a Linux software show. Looks like they got what they were after ... although, anyone can, since it's free and open source ... unlike MS's software.
[quote] that KDE 4.2 is still beta software, and it works better and faster than Windows 7. [/quote]
Wow.. KDE... but forget it. KDE resulted in several kernel panics over here. Far from stable and very bloated. Please let us fix KDE 3.5 first. KDE 4 is hopeless and you better choose gnome
I have only KDE on my computer, and i don't get Kernel Panics... It is very stable... (I'm using OpenSUSE 11.1 + KDE 4.2)
...that little "here" in your comment, means that *you* are fuckin' stupid.
Acting as if KDE 3.5 would need any fixing before it needs use is just plain retarded. And you know that. But you've got no other argument, so you took it...
KDE 4 runs like a charm here too.
And even if it contains far too much of that Gnome "a retarded user could possibly misunderstand this function, so we give you no option or function at all" philosophidiocy. But for the average Joe. who thinks he can expect to operate a system that is more complex than anything else he will ever control, to be usable without any training or license whatsoever (and who therefore should no be allowed to touch a computer), KDE 4 is the best thing he can put on his computer.
Wow. Really?? KDE runs in userspace, not kernel space. The kernel is designed such that userspace apps CANNOT cause kernel panics, unless there is some kernel bug. If you're getting kernel panics you probably need to update your kernel. But actually, you should probably forget KDE, Gnome, and Windows, and upgrade to the VTech desktop. It'd probably work better for you.
As has been noted, KDE should not be able to cause a kernel panic. No userspace program should be able to. I see 3 possibilities, kernel bug, video driver bug (nVidia and ATI blob drivers will do this) or a hardware problem.
A kernel panic is the fault of the kernel or most likely bad (or overclocked) hardware, KDE may stress your system in a way that reveals this problem. Try checking your system with gimps mprime and memtest86+.
Also regarding bloat, KDE uses a lot of 3rd party libraries instead of re-inventing the wheel, I don't see how you could call that bloat if there are several other pieces of software on your system that use these libraries.
The problem has to do with the Nvidia driver. KDE4 uses QT4 which (for a while there) didn't get along very well with Nvidia's proprietary binary kernel driver. The latest drivers fix the problem so the point is moot now.
For reference, the problem never occurred on the open-source Nvidia driver.
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KDE4 4.2 is out of beta.
KDE 7 is one of Linux's desktops environments (a set of applications among a few other things).
It's like a layer over the main Operating System which provides some resources to the user.
In Windows, it's bundled with the system, but it would be the set of Windows Explorer, IE, WMP, etc.
did you really just say KDE 7???
you either very stupid or a troll...in either case a technical discussion is the last place you belong.
Or maybe it was an innocent typo and you are far too sensitive/fragile to be let out of your padded room. Back in the box!
Linux needs clever ads like this.
Show how slick it is to regular people, don't confuse them with all the Linux vs Windows stuff.
ever notice how you guys just tricked people, and this really doesn't prove anything? first off, KDE4 looks a hell of a lot more like vista than it does Win7. Second, every one of those people would be disappointed as soon as they find out they can't run any of the programs they used to.
What programs? Everyone always says this, but I don't get it. What software is it you think all these average computer users have that they'll really miss on Linux? The only software I think most of my friends would miss is iTunes. Even Office, you can use OO.org, KOffice, or MS Office with Wine (or CrossOver). Seriously, if your average person can play MP3s, browse the web, play Sudoku, and type up a document, they'll be happy. These are all things most distros do out of the box.
Using wine (or any of its many flavors) isn't anywhere near as "out of the box" as people make it out to be. Sometimes you can spend hours getting it to work just to find that it doesn't currently "fully support" whatever program you are trying to use it with (games are notorious for this). At the end of the night you end up with a pissed off frustrated user who doesn't give a damn if it was free because it just cost him TIME which is far more valuable than whatever open source / closed source pissing match you have against microsoft. The end fact is that while windows might not run benchmarks as well as linux it has something linux doesn't: ease of use. Lets run a benchmark on how long it takes to get linux to run all the business and home software windows does. Oh wait, that would be NEVER because linux CAN'T DO IT.
Have you used wine in the last 50 years? If you spent hours configuring it you were doing something wrong
What you describe as "Linux can't" is simply the (sad) fact that a lot of software people are used to are not available as _native_ Linux application.
But _if_ you have a Linux app, it's much easier and faster (ever used an MSI package?) to install and run it.
And "ease of use" ... come on.
Ease of use comes mainly from applications. There are good and bad applications on all platforms.
I haven't yet found the ideal photo editing solution for KDE 4.2. On Windows, I've got Canon's DPP for extremely efficient RAW editing. It's not perfect, but the proprietary software is the best I've found for Windows (not sure I gave Lightroom a fair chance though).
So far I haven't found a seamless option or series of programs for RAW editing, although they're getting there. Digikam doesn't work with 4.2 - it's useful even though it doesn't edit RAW.
Actually, digikam does work with KDE 4.2. Albeit, you might have to compile from source. But I have it installed.
Gimp has a RAW plugin, it's called, UFRaw. I have it installed on Puppy Linux, SuSE and Windows and it works beautifully.
For my purposes, I find Lightzone (from Lightcrafts) and BibblePro (BibbleLabs) are both excellent at editing my RAW files. Both programs support a wide range of RAW formats. I use a Pentax K100D,
Both of these programs are commercial, and offer Windows, Mac and Linux versions. In fact, when BibbleLabs sell you a license, you are allowed to install and run a BibblePro on you Windows, Mac AND Linux machines. BibblePro runs well on my two year old Core Solo laptop, and runs faster in Linux than it does on Windows. LightZone benefits from a more powerful machine. A very old version of LightZone for Linux was released 'for free', but is difficult to source!
I prefer LightZone for landscape/flower photography (vkelim.smugmug.com), and BibblePro for portraits. However, my results no doubt reflect my very elementary level of skill at using the two products.
Most PC games are windows only. And that's what most people use @ home.
google + "wine compatibility" = http://appdb.winehq.org/
I for one have found that many of the games I play actually run faster in linux than they do in vista (WoW included). Not to mention that some games include Linux versions. Doom3, Quake 4, and Unreal Tournament all have Linux installers.
I gave up on PC gaming as the rig had to be soo expensive compared to what I needed for work. An XBox is only $NZ 500-600, and a PS3 id ony just under $NZ800, and that is the cost of a pair of ATI cards for gaming, then there is the world of - "Well it works OK, then I installed this other game that updated something, then the other games just crash now, or my work apps now don't (work that is)
well, if they have to jump through the hoops to configure wine in order to get something working, anything, then that is something that does nto work. It is not acceptable to have to go through that just to run a game. As for C/O office, why should I pay extra for software to let me run my software. OO is fine, if that is all you user personally at home, but if you are getting lots of files from corporate and they are all word format, sooner or later, something is gonna screw up, its inevitable. Its not a matter of what can be "made" to work under linux, its what works out of the box. If you are tech savvy, you see your computer as a tooth that you need training to effectively use, and that might be right, for you, but for the average Joe, the computer is a toaster, a vcr, an appliance, and that is how it needs to work. You get a box with windows pre-installed, and it works, browse, email, music, etc, it works.
Not sure what distro you use, but with Ubuntu 8.04 I didn't have to jump through any hoops. Unless you count putting the install CD in the CD drive...
no jumping thru hoops, no configuration of wine, nothing to go thru to run an application in wine.
opensuse 11.1 + wine + microsoft office, trivia machine, autocad 2007, wolfenstein enemy territory = awesome.
Just right clicked the install file and ran with wine. Throws an icon on your desktop and away you go.
Next I will install dreamweaver cs3 and Photoshop.
I need win32 codecs? I go to the suse website and hit 'one click install' and boom I got movies on all formats running.
Its as easy on windows as is on suse. I like them both but prefer suse because I don't have to worry about security anywhere near as much as windows. I have friends who are 40+ yrs, 50+ yrs and I have installed suse on their systems. Guess what. They don't care what it is as long as the problems stop and they can get about their stuff - surf, email, chat, write.
Want to play games you like - you can. If you don't LIKE linux for some reason then THAT is why you don't prefer it. Not for anything that I mentioned.
Most people who have a problem with linux are too used to the windows world. good luck to you and I hope you have a nice life but stop bitching about what you don't like and basing it on some technicality. Thats just garbage.
-- garbage in, garbage out!
...until it crashes, bugs out, needs to be restarted for a minor software install, blue screens, gets a virus, gets overloaded with spyware, slows down from fragmentation, or abruptly stops working to ask if you are sure you want it to continue working.
As for OO, I do use it in a cross-platform business environment, and we have never had a document compatibility issue.
But that isn't how people think. People **think** they have to run Windows. People **think** if they don't they won't be able to use email or Facebook (or whatever).
I've just come back from seeing a client, and he can't tell what's Windows and what's Office (the distinction is totally beyond him). How often have you asked: "What version of Office are you running?" and been given the name of the Windows version they are running (or vice versa)?
Seriously there are a hell of a lot of totally clueless users out there, and they have a really warped sense of reality. They honestly believe Macs can't send email to Windows, Linux is some cheap rip-off of Windows and if you're not running Windows you can't use Facebook. (Or similar crazy stuff)
The fact is they know the name "Windows", "Microsoft", "Office", "XP" and "Vista" - anything else they simply stop listening.
For a hell of a lot of people Linux or Mac would be much better choices. But they can't accept that, their thinking is this: "If they are so good why does everyone else run Windows?"
I have found, especially with home users, that the more clueless the user the better they take to Linux (esp. Ubuntu).
Clueless users just want: web, email & office. The smarter ones want their iplod and/or digitial camera connected.
Linux runs well on older hardware, almost never breaks and does not get borked by windows virus and malware. A great choice for clueless home users I think.
I agree, although I see three groups. There are the people who just want e-mail/word processing/web browsing to work, and all they need is you to install Linux for them, and spend a few minutes, and they're fine; they only do superficial things, which aren't enough to break anything. I know a few people in this category. I've gotten maybe five calls between all of them, and they were all fairly easy to resolve. Then there are the technical users, who learn things, break things, figure out how to fix them, and don't break them again. Linux is also suited for them. The people that aren't suited for it are those that know enough to get themselves into trouble, but don't know/care enough to learn what it takes to get them out of trouble.
KDE isn't an operating system. Yes, KDE is usually used on Linux. But you can also use it on Windows. Or on a Mac.
how could you not ask "and what if i told you this was actually just free software and you could go download it now for free?"
but it fun little experiment :) thanks!
I think it would be hilarious if you told them it was Linux instead of Windows 7, maybe you would get this sort of reaction: http://www.hulu.com/watch/4154/saturday-night-live-schillervision-hidden-camera ...
Great work. I heard the it at [millionaire friends. com], where celebrities, pro athletes and wealthy singles mingle. Many people are talking about it there. ...
wow, you found a bunch of idiots who don't know what they're talking about
:(
found a bunch of idiots? Most computer users don't know what they're talking about. Even many pro developer does not know about Linux vs Ubuntu. And still they are talking about it.
This is great material to show that people does not care what OS you are running, important is just that the desktop environment is easy.
You are kidding right? Ubuntu was formed off the debian unstable branch... debian is a flavor of linux, thus Ubuntu is also a flavor of linux. So is it the pro dev's that don't know what they are talking about or you?
I think you might be the one that didn't understand. If someone is talking about Linux vs. Ubuntu - then they don't understand the difference - which is what I think the point was.
Of course now we know that you know that Ubuntu is a "distro" and Linux is the kernel - but you knew you were smart before you told us you were didn't you?
If you can't understand THAT distinction, then you are the one with issues. Ubuntu is a subset of linux (ubuntu itself consists of different releases, both in version number, and bundled desktop environment).
It's sort of like the difference between "fruit" and "apple". So, in essence, the original comment was reasonable. Yours, however, was needlessly snide. A category is NOT the same thing as an item inside that category.
The OP stated "Even many pro developer does not know about Linux vs Ubuntu" - which was the point - they are talking about two different things and they don't know about them.
ubuntu is not linux. it is a collection of multitudes of software, ONE of which is the linux kernel. it is like a puzzle and linux is just one piece.
No, Ubuntu is not a subset of Linux. Linux is a subset of every distribution. Linux is a small piece of any distribution. It is the kernel and modules. The kernel and modules are a subset of something like Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, etc.
Stop acting like you know it all.
In case no one has noticed, for a split-second there you get a wonderful glimpse at one nasty lingering issue with Linux: Video drivers suck. Look at the garbled texture of the window before it updates, it's just a taste of what awaits you if you are 'unfortunate' enough to have an ATI or even nVidia card. Garbled textures, programs using 3D acceleration that run at, hummm, 1 frame per second or so, or don't run at all, but yeah, you can get the glitzy effects! (I bet on that machine Compiz is doing indirect rendering, wohoo!)
Oh, and if you have this problem, good luck solving it, it's been around in different forms for years and no amount of tweaking with your configuration files will remove it... I bet Windows 7 doesn't do that... oh! and 3D graphics performance on Linux?? laughable...
(yeah, I know, it's ATI and nVidia who are evil and don't release decent drivers for Linux, neither do they publish their card architectures for others to write a good driver, it sucks nonetheless).
It's the window open/closing effect... it's the contents of the window being swirled around...
Get your facts straight Windows Boy....
you are wrong. that is very clearly not a defect but a completely unintentional graphics defect.
I get the same thing on my machine. Its annoying
it was a demonstration of KDE, compiz is not related.
personally i never understood why people want effects on their desktop. they are too distracting.
...I've had my share of it... Yes, the current state of ATI and NVidia drivers on Linux is not good, however, ATI does seem to be turning around, at least. Actually, if you have an older computer, your best bet would be to find an older (but good in its time) ATI card, since they've had plenty of time to stabilize. As for newer ones, well... ATI is releasing their specs, so we can hope for better things to come. As for Brian's comment, you can run Compiz on KDE (although he is right in that this demo wasn't using it). In regards to the effects - yes, a lot are annoying, but I've also heard very positive things about its accessibility features, from those that have need of them. And besides, let's face it - even though aesthetics should be secondary, most people care about it; if Vista/Win7 can do it, and Linux can't (hypothetically), a lot of people are going to be turned off. (Yes, it's a stupid reason, but it is true).
Guys, go read arstechnica. They've tried KDE 4.2 on Windows XP.
Yup, KDE team is working a Windows version of KDE 4.2.
Its still in heavy development at the moment, but soon, you'll be able to replace your Explorer shell with KDE 4.2 (with all it goodies and great Plasma).
And, of course, you can still run your everyday software.
Man...i love opensource, and KDE too
Those of you claiming they can't run their windows sh*t. Come on please, most of those people were not advanced users or gamers. They have perhaps 1/2 dozens tasks:
1. Browse the Internet
2. Watch youtube or perhaps hula.
3. Read their email
4. Use the occasion spreadsheet or word processor.
5. Maybe Skype their kids
6. Listen to some tunes.
All this can be done with Linux.
7. Quicktax (or quicken...) :)
don't think that runs on linux or wine AT ALL ^.^
ohwell, guess we can do all those taxes by
hand...
That's linux working for you right there :P
We are best to look at what windows can't do
1) Advance MultiMedia Editing (except midi?)
2) Taxes
3) no photoshop :( (Gimp can only go so far)
4) Handful of good free software (and even than
far less that can really compare to commericaly
available software)
5) User Friendliness (I like to compare it to
Windows Mistake Edition... It's easy to use
within its own little world, but decide to do
anything past simplicity, and you'll have to
jump through hoops.
Windows (and Mac) are just far simplier to use
for both simple, and advance tasks compared
to Linux. Linux does have some nice
possibilities for server tasks, where user
friendliness can be somewhat ignored, but
Windows (and Mac) still are top in the market
because well... They just work, and people
like that
The Asus EEE experiment with Linux OS's
just failed (find the article with 4x return rates
of Linux based Asus EEE's vs Windows XP
EEE's) Even though the XP installed EEE costs
more, and is generaly slower on the hardware,
the AVERAGE user can't seem to use Linux
effectivly for their Email/Browsing/Watching
Youtube videos (The tasks you say most
average people use, on a computer built
specificly for those tasks) and rather
perfer Windows XP...
What am I saying... Well, for all those linux
zealots, Linux isn't for the average person, it
never will be (which Linus has said himself.)
KDE 4.x is for those that perfer to break free from
the simplicity, ease of use, and stability
of Windows, for an unstable, Vista like Bloated
KDE 4.x (<3 Debian), or those that just
can't stand the downtime that a Windows
2003 server brings (that and Windows NT
kernal just dosen't bring justice for the
server market).
Just my 2 cents.
1) advance multimedia editing : Well I dont know how advance you wanna be but there is kino...blender...not sure about the sound stuff, I am sure there are solutions
2) ok maybe
3) CS2 works perfectly on Wine
4) I think the offer is increasing, I havent had any big issue there
5) I think linux is getting there
ASUS return rate : it's 4times windows but that s still pretty low
PS : That website is buggy, I dont like to type on white over white
I say give this to them when they go and grab their copy of quicken, or when their kid goes to install a game they bought and realize everything hey have is for windows then I bet they will pay more attention to what they are using.
Definitely looks good on the demo, but for day2day use, its still nowhere near windows, be it XP or Vista. I hope linux catches up soon.
Say what? Millions of people have been using it happily for years?
Personally, I have been using it as my main OS since 2001, and more than a couple of hours forced to a windows-machine makes my blood-pressure actually raise to hurtful levels. (Yes it is medically confirmed after I suspected heart-problems) There are a few odds and ends with Linux that pisses me off, but there are a LOT of really frustrating things in Windows (and MacOSX for that matter) that actually drive me to crazy.
I guess the difference between me and the people who considers Linux "not for day2day" is what we've gotten used to, and possibly differing requirements.
I.E. I spend a lot of time testing open-source software and doing various development, but not a lot of time playing the newest top-shelf games.
If you have no preconceptions about what your OS should be like, and you don't need to play all the top-shelf commercial games, Linux are probably just as good as windows for day2day, maybe even better due to better performance and no viruses. Linux is much like MacOSX in that respect, without the consistently looking bling and the pricetag.
I'm using OpenSUSE Linux for about 6 years, i'm 21 years old, i play my Windows games under Wine (and i didn't made configurations)... If it's not for daily use i'm very strange
So THAT'S where all the British people have gone!
most people can't make an factual opinion due to not having the time nor the access to different options.
so they make an opinion based on what they are told. this is the reason marketing is about telling what can seem plausible, not about telling the truth.
the video is exactly the end result. people not really knowing but assuming.
whether its KDE or windows 7 its irrelevant as most people didn't interact with any of them.
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Software don't matter. All users do is four to six tasks at most. Wine fixes everything.
Right.
When Linux gets blinkered, is there another Linux user anywhere near that can console them?
Nope.
KDE has problems. More so than Vista.
Much more.
"KDE has problems. More so than Vista. "
KDE hasn't suffered from a nation-wide class action lawsuit involving disclosed emails from every major computer manufacturer and more negative publicity than MS has every had.
Also, take a look at how many companies are moving to Linux instead of "upgrading" to Vista.
"When Linux gets blinkered, is there another Linux user anywhere near that can console them? "
Practically every distro, even the small ones, have an IRC channel and a forum where you can get support. In most cases you can talk directly on IRC to one of the distro's devs or at least some real guru's that use it. Try to get support from one of the MS guys instead of some help desk bimbo that only knows how to say "have you tried rebooting?" - if you can get through to anybody at all - and don't forget to have a credit card ready.
GNU/Linux is all about community and that community is very supporting. If you haven't worked that out them you simply haven't grasped the basic concept underlying it all. It's about people doing it for themselves and helping out others that also don't want to be mindless consumers and slaves to greedy corporate overlords.
Keep in mind that until the Linux kernel and the multitude of desktop environments get MAJOR commercial software and hardware support Linux will gain no ground towards getting the people like in the video to use it.
It is doubtful that any of them would enjoy trying to figure out WINE, video card configurations, compiz fusion configs, terminal commands and permissions. They'd screw something up almost immediately and not want to bother with researching a solution. I had a hell of a time getting a simple usb flash drive to play nice with Linux and XP a while back. Who, when productivity matters, wants to waste time and money messing around with trivial matters like that?
Linux is and always will be a niche market for tweakers and wireheads, and special custom applications. However if brought into schools and universities, and pumped vast amounts of money into the governments on a grand scale and merely saturated the system with it then things may change.
Mac & Windows are big fat pigs compared to Linux. When and if Linux pulls some serious commercial/consumer grade software and hardware it too will be a pig.
I enjoy tinkering with linux and it's many faces but when I need to do some serious photo editing and printing I have to switch over to XP because there is no guessing. I know it works.
The only way this video could have made any point would have been to let the people click around while the hosts were timing them to see how long it would take an average windows user to either screw something up or run into a brick wall. Granted it would have put KDE 4 in a bad light it would have shown that KDE 4 AND Linux still have a long road ahead.
Thanks for bringing the "Linux is for teh l33t geeks" BS.
My folks are both in their seventies and are using Linux. Dad was converted after using free/libre software like OpenOffice, VLC, Firefox browser, Thunderbird email client and Skype (which is also available on Linux) on XP for years, so the switch was easy.
My mom used a computer for the first time last year, PCLinuxOS w/ KDE3.5 and she knows how to install games.
I also work with some students to take old computers (P2, P3s) which we fix up and add lighweight Linux distros and then give out to youth centres and women;s shelters and so on.
Righ now were in the middle of installing 20 refurbished computers for a retirement home and the first 10 we installed 3 weeks ago are a total hit.
yes, retired people, most who have never used a computer now have their own Gmail accounts and are communicating like they never could before.
Oh, guess what? Apart from a few tweaks (they reaaaaaally appreciate Zoom option on KDE), no crashes, no virus, no problems.
It just works.
So please leave the old 'learning curve' canulars to die their peaceful death. It isnt harder to learn than the other two.
I showed Ubuntu with gnome desktop and compiz fusion (which ran ootb after checking a "install nvidia driver" box in the ubuntu gui)
He likes the zoom option cause like most old people he doesn't see as good anymore, especially little leters in most texts on the web
he also liked the popups when he was putting in some SD Card from his camera.
I think as long as you are no (used to windows) power user linux is perfect for you.
The only bad thing is that ALL of the computer coursees here are about windows. and if you take linux courses it's more like for admins and stuff.
there are simply no courses for the "normal user" and thats an issue Linux enthusiasts should face.
another problem is commercial software support. That is a problem which should solve itself if we can convince enough users to use linux because then there will be commercial software for linux.
and if you look at freeware and stuff there is a lot of software cross plattform. more than there was ever before.
so tell your users to at least try the alternative and don't scare them with terminal windows and stuff :D
if you let them figure out by themselves they will get used to it and not run away.
We are in the situation that we need to get the "trademark Windows" out of the heads of people allready "infected" by Microsoft software so even they will look for alternatives and try out something different.
So i'll finish with Apples:
"Think different" :D
"until the Linux kernel"
LINUX IS THE KERNEL, JACKASS!
Every OS has a kernel...linux's is known as the linux kernel.
>>It is doubtful that any of them would enjoy trying >>to figure out WINE, video card configurations, compiz fusion configs, terminal commands and permissions.
After getting a fully loaded OS (linux) with the shiny desktop that at least this sample of people all seemed to like, adding $30 USD for Crossover Office doesn't seem unreasonable. And Crossover Office has a gui tool that lets you click a windows app to install it and does the configuration for the wine bottle.
>>Keep in mind that until the Linux kernel and the multitude of desktop environments get MAJOR commercial software and hardware support Linux will gain no ground towards getting the people like in the video to use it.
Seems the cash really is not the source of the problem at all. After all, look at the money Microsoft has to share with (bribe) manufacturers, and of all OS's drivers on Windows are by far a bigger problem than on any other OS.
>>Linux is and always will be a niche market for tweakers and wireheads, and special custom applications. However if brought into schools and universities, and pumped vast amounts of money into the governments on a grand scale and merely saturated the system with it then things may change.
Again with the money??? I've switched countless people over to Linux, at their requests, after simply letting them use my laptop for a few minutes while on holiday. All it takes it a bit of exposure and 5 seconds of education: yes, you, too, can be free of your "protective software" subscriptions.
I would like to see the program repeated in Europe, South America, USA...
Some of these guys keeps going on and on about how good linux is here, how good linux is there... so freakin what, in a lot of the corporate world people don't really care about linux in a desktop environment, because their tools are windows based, or even they have learned to become proficient excel vba coders themselves... and they do some hectic stuff with that stupid code sometimes, now telling that guy to use OO won't work, as he won't have the time to struggle with OO first, he wants to use it quickly, not necessarily efficiently.
most of these replies are so expected from both communities it's actually boring and pushes people away.
as for wine, stop wining, as most people I know in the corporate world won't be interested in an emulator to run the apps they want to run, i can guarantee you this.
"in a lot of the corporate world people don't really care about linux in a desktop environment, because their tools are windows based, or even they have learned to become proficient excel vba coders themselves... and they do some hectic stuff with that stupid code sometimes"
but what about those office secretaries, or people who aren't vba coders, like you explained. why not give them a cheap OS to use for simple tasks? they're not coders. on one hand, you're saying business men don't care about linux, and on the other hand, business people DO care about COST, RELIABILITY, and SECURITY.
ESPECIALLY "coders".
If they have apps they need to run that are written for windows, why would they not be "interested" in running them in an emulator? Too hard to click on "open this using wine" when they try to run it? So you are saying what, the guys going on and on about how good linux is are wrong because some business dudes learned how to code in a limited, proprietary language, and are afraid of clicking on an emulator, so therefore, Linux sucks? Good argument. Nothing should ever change then. Even if microsoft comes out with a new system or version of VB that causes these dudes to relearn some things, that would be horrible then I suppose. So your business examples never upgrade windows? Never have to learn another way to do things? What if Microsoft forced them? Then what excuse would they have? All kinds of fan bois ranted about how noone likes Linux because it is different from what people expect their Windows to look like. But then Vista comes out and everyone more or less has to learn a completely new system. But they do it, because that's the point. They aren't knowledgable or selective or anything. They are sheep, and just like you, none of their opinions will ever be anything more than reitterated garbage that some other sheep has told them they should say.
Just for the record here... WINE Is Not an Emulator. That's what the name means. If you knew what an emulator was you'd understand. VMware isn't even an emulator.
WINE just provides libraries to run windows applications in linux. It doesn't recreate the environment at all. The software runs natively on those lilbraries.
VMware is a virtualization software. You're not "emulating" anything. You are actually running Windows when you use VMware or software like that.
There are several performance setbacks that are POSSIBLE but it's not the case so often with most consumer software.
actually, VMware emulates x86/x64 hardware.
Actually VMWare virtualizes hardware, and allows pass-through CPU usage, whereas, emulators, as theuir name says, EMULATE CPU instructions... Therefore, virtual machines (that's what VM stands for) are much faster than emulators...
"Most PC games are windows only. And that's what most people use @ home."
Gamers are the minority of pc users. Most gamers are not using the pc to game. And you can succesfully emulate windows inside linux(vm ware etc) In order to play the few games that don't run using Wine. So there is no reason to criticise linux because your games won't run.
The majority of people out there are a risk to their pc's security. I would rather trust my grandmother and rest of my family with linux rather than having to set up firewalls and anti spyware/virus programs inside windows. Not to mention updating them each week.
Classic line at about 1:52...
"...the Vista was a bit hard for me to get user-friendly with."
It's hard for any user to get friendly with bad software.
Haven't seen KDE 4 live but in the video it looked a lot like Apple's OS
People liked Vista MUCH better than Vista (sic). See the http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/ where people think Vista is the next Windows and are *very* impressed.
Can anyone discern which of the Lenovo Thinkpad models that laptop was?
I still think its a re hashed version of Vista
RT
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Congratulations! You lied to people!
I could show a bunch of old/non computer savvy individuals OSX and tell them it's Windows 22 and they are sure to believe me.
I hate these back and fourth arguments. If you're poor KDE and/or Gnome are the way to go. If you like your computer to do stuff without a whole lot of frustration 99% of the time. Windows rules.
After seeing this video, I think Visa/7 interface still looks better. The animation/transition in KDE4 in this demo is not that smooth. The only impressive feature is windows switching effects but there was a flash/gap when they open up the open office, and image loading was messy as well.
In the end, I think Vista is better as a whole visual graphic experience.
KDE is def better than W7 you should of try ask me what I think about Windows 7 with KDE On it ;)
As a Linux user, I'm pretty happy being the minority. We luck out because malicious software is rare for us because of our small market share. If a friend is installing Windows for the 15th time on their computer I'll suggest something easy like Ubuntu. It takes 7 clicks to install and once you show them Synaptic it's a dream come true.
BUT... Do I care if Linux catches on? No. It'll never die, it's got a popular niche market. I could care less if it becomes as popular as Windows. In fact, I don't think this is even popular due to the many Distros. The Distro that has the most chance now is Ubuntu, but then we'll all be complaining why people use Ubuntu when they should be using, I dunno, Mint!
Let the masses suffer with Windows. I'll be safe and cozy with my *nix boxes. :D
This is Ziff Davis. You're supposed to say, "OH MY GOD!! NEW MICROSOFT STUFF!!! I'M COMING!!!! OH YEEEAAAAAHHH!!!"
You're obviously new here.
Hi. I'm a liar taking advantage of the ignorance of the public. I'm also a jerk-off freetard. Look at me go!
Wow, that's what <a href="http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=4015">I did</a>, sort of: http://dailyrevolution.net/?p=4015
And nothing like Win7...
Isn't that criminal? Telling people that crap is Windows 7?
The whole debate is just stupid. Use what makes you feel better. Both are of just about equal quality. I use KDE, cause I just don't have thousands of dollars to **** away on windows. It suits my needs, works well, and runs all of the windows apps I still use.
Cool but after they are done surfing the web...get them to update the driver for the graphics card....then wait for head explosion...
Fantastic.... Vista is a nightmare to use, a good way for people to see linux in action.
http://www.xko.com.au
I hope you did tell them?
I'm using openSUSE 11.1 and the sound in that embedded video doesn't work. Sound works for just about everything else I do, so I guess ZDNet have chosen some evil/proprietary codec. Way to go!
lol in my opinion you´re all a bit stupid. When Windows games does not perfekt run on Linux, you give the fault to Linux xD Its the fault of the developer. Its amazing that so many Windows stuff run on Windows. All the much important and user friendly stuff like an Packet System (APT, Pacman, something else) is not aviable in any way in Windows. Why? Is easy install to easy for users who want an easy OS?
Only the addictet hardcore gamers want Windows, no other people who worked some days with a real Linux Distribution would never change
You should have used a _real_ KDE 4.2 with amarok2 and koffice2 etc... sure, amarok 1.x and openoffice look fugly on kde 4... and the generall look'n'feel of 4.2 is way better then 4.1...
also you probably shouldn't have used kubuntu then, because 4.2 is really unstable on kubuntu...
works really great on arch though :)
This is a waste of time. So what if you can trick people into thinking this is Windows 7? You just showed them a couple features that are nothing new and not worth anything.
Their reactions finding out if was KDE would be, "Oh ok. It looks a lot like Windows."
I could WOW people with Vista if I could throw it on a powerful laptop and show them 3 of the cool features it has. What did you show them that would really seem like a big jump over Windows? I'd like to see that portion of the video.
hehe :)
nieno ludzie pomylic linuxa z windowsem ....
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:P
I use Kubuntu, KDE3 with compiz and people ask me the same question severla times: "Oh is this windows 7 ?" LOL !!!! :-D
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don't like both KDE and Windows Vista or 7. I think the best thing is when u have everything, but it's compact and don't have too much useless effects =(
The question asked in the main article was on whether or not KDE-4 and Windows 7 looked too much alight, and then which one looked better.
Well, the fact is, KDE4 has been in open development for literal years, with the finalization of the API's and libraries in January of 2008, almost a full calendar year before the 27 December 2008 leak of Windows 7.
The conclusion is that Windows 7 looks like KDE 4, and to be honest, as I commented on Dailytech, the initial screenshots of Windows 7 looked an awful lot like the Mepis 2003 KDE release.
The fact is, while there is a lot of whining about who apes who between Microsoft and Apple, a lot of the actual desktop functionality isn't coming from either company. It's coming from projects like KDE, XFCE, LXDE, or Enlightenment (E16/E17). It's of no surprise then that Apple, widely regarded as having a "sexy" desktop uses a lot of KDE developed code behind their desktop interface ( http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html ), and also is reported to be responsible for forking KHTML into Webkit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML :: http://webkit.org/ ).
Now, my honest opinion is that KDE4 looks, and works, better than Windows 7, and I'm just basing this on the KDE 4.2 code that has still has not achieved feature parity with the previous KDE 3.5.x releases.
The very good news for Linux in general is that Vista proved that Microsoft wasn't invincible, that Microsoft wasn't a monopoly, and that Microsoft could make multiple mistakes. The better news for Linux is that Windows 7 is basically Vista Service Pack 2, and that Microsoft is pulling the same stunt(s) that they pulled with Windows 2000 and Windows Xp launches. While a lot of people "love" Windows 7 now, it hasn't yet hit the mass market. Okay, it's the Vista that needed 2 more years development time, but in the time it took Microsoft to finish "baking" Vista, Linux already has a lock on the netbook market, is surging in the notebook market, and has gained gamer-friendly technologies like AMD Crossfire. Add to that many game developers needed to switch from DIrectX to OpenGL API's to maintain graphics rendering across the millions of Windows Xp installations in use, AND Vista installations, AND Windows 7 installations, and suddenly Linux is a viable desktop development target, and possibly the development platform of choice to create multi-platform software.
Like or not, Microsoft has successfully fragmented what used to be the Windows Monopoly with the multiple editions of Vista, the upcoming 6 editions of Windows 7, and the huge base of Windows Xp. Things look even less rosy for Microsoft with some hardware vendors eying ARM based notebooks for the sub $200 market, which won't run Windows at all... but CAN run technologies like KDE 4 or LXDE.
Does this mean that we are on the cusp of a sudden about turn with everybody embracing Linux?
Um. No. What is happening is that customers are waking up to the fact that they have choices. They don't have to rely on one company to do everything, and pay up whatever price that company dictates. What we are looking at, especially with the liberal democrat cause financial crisis, is an increased focus on value for money... which Microsoft hasn't delivered since Windows 98SE hit the market. What could happen is an increase on the trend of the past several years: Linux usage going up, Apple usage going up, Microsoft purchases going down.
Ä° think Kde4 is the best desktop manager !!!
Great job guys.
Windows 7 is just as hard as learning a new language.
Since you're learning anyway, THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.
Why not learn Linux instead of wasting time on learning crabby windows 7?
Don't know what version of windows 7 you have
used, but after switching from being a power
user of Windows XP straight to beta build 7000
of Windows 7, I never had an inch of problem
converting both my old laptop, and new desktop.
Linux on the other hand, every distro I've tried
just dosen't work "out of the box". Even trusty
google and Linux power users couldn't help
me before my patience went.
Windows 7 is very much like any other
Windows, they all have the same feel from
all the way back to Windows 3.1
The debate between windows and linux is insane. No side will win.
I am a student studying IT, 3rd year. I have several systems at home, running Ubuntu & Kubuntu, Vista SP1, 7 Beta and XP SP3.
When it comes to day to day use, I would still prefer XP. It is stable, and with the right additions (Kaspersky) it is somewhat secure. The number of issues i see arising out of Vista clearly defines the reason corporate clients won't upgrade. Backwards compatibility was a fudge job, and a lot of companies use proprietary software on their systems (Migration and retraining issues). Windows 7 Beta, while more stable is essentially a facelifted Vista in its current form, so until drivers and software are at a complete and working level, it really doesn't qualify for comparison.
As for ubuntu/kubuntu, the system is great, but yes there are a few more steps needed. And realistically it isnt the linux developers that need to do it. Linux in it's current iterations are as an OS, friendly and easy to understand/adopt. Hardware manufacturers however, have been slowing down the linux foothold by not concentrating any resources on the system. Yes, nVidia might have great drivers, but the ATI supplied drivers seem more like a side project for their driver development team. Sound, wi-fi, mobile devices, you name it, there is bound to be a problem. As cloud computing comes of age, and with the concentration of hardware manufacturers on linux as a full, in place OS things will take off.
My opinion on these operating systems is from a basic end-user point of view. The kind of people who like to go out, install something and expect it to just work. Realistically, the end user can't be expected to know how to pass terminal commands into a linux box or how to attack the more in depth and powerful features and tweaks in windows.
Before I get stabbed by fanboys from either side, Linux is great, its powerful, flexible and will one of these days take off as a preferred OS. Until some more work is done though, it won't be a pick up and go OS like Windows currently is.
Windows guys, is unsecure, chronically flawed, but it is still the most used OS on the market. Why? Because an end user can pick up a copy of it and office of a shelf, whack them in, and you have a complete and (almost always) compatible with your existing hardware OS. It's also where most developers focus.
No one side will win the windows/linux/mac argument. They all have their good points and their bad. And realistically the potential of linux still hasn't been realised.
Most windows users keep raising backwards compatibility as an argument. I work in a corporate environment and I cannot source legit copies of XP to run core business proprietary software. Reverse engineering using .NET would be even worse because it is so dependant on service packs. I think that there is a strong argument to migrate to virtualised linux which will never be declared end-of-life.
Linux is much easier than few years ago,amarok has not version for Windows
When picture open in new window?
It's reminds me a childhood, when I use a datacassete to load and play a game on c64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GqXXLSfT7g
Heh, If you would try it with me I would start to laugh at you :D BTW W7 and Linux are great systems. It depends on what are you going to use it for. If you don't have got any money for new system for a while I recommand you plenty of linux distribution because it's for free and it's made for special purpose unlike Windows system.
you dont change kde logo on prepare windows menu
it's very funny ;)
That's why none of this pishposh matters.
In the end, Macs will own you all, and your children. Steve Jobs will end up like the Dalek master Davros, and then enslave you all to programmatically play minesweeper all day long in an effort to unlock all the mathematical knowledge of the universe while you listen to 'Time of Your Life by Green Day' on your iPod Mind Controller Extension Device....
just use the 'awesome' window manager. it is really awesome! :)
kde4 is too big...
i thinked about installing it, typed 'pacman -S kde' in console (i use arch linux) and...
with all of dependencies - over 500MB (!!!) for download. i don't have very fast internet connection - that download will be over 2 hours...
awesome is awesome!
I think the most insightful thing in this video is that the everyday, non-techy grandma consumer would be completely willing to try out KDE4, given the right marketing/deception.
Doesn't that give you a nice, fuzzy feeling?
All this video has shown us, is that people will pretty much accept what they're told.
If you demonstrate a product with enthusiasm you will sway a good number to your cause.
Add to that a rehearsed demonstration, and of course don't let the filthy masses actually touch the product.
Most people in the street wouldn't know there is a valid option other than Windows / OS X.
When presented with a OS they'll assume It's one they are familiar with.
Still would like to see a followup.. how about OS/2 Warp on a macbook and claim its OS X "meercat"
Did U ask just a begginers? It looks like Linux, thats a Linux style anyway.
I hope most of you know that Windos 7 is Windows Vista. Vista got such a bad wrap that Microsoft had to repackage it after they worked out the bugs in Service Pack 1. So what is new with Windows 7 that you don't get with Vista? Some nice new shiny box that costs 500$ (US). But whats a few hundered dollars between friends right?
Ya know... Windows 7 has pretty much exactly the same visual make up as vista... only the taskbar is bigger and completely opaque... so... yeah? Its merely an upgrade to that same experience
After using vista solidly since release and loving it compared to XP, and now widnwos 7... really dont understand the fuss, 7 takes longer to boot up than vista. But i will give it has a lot of those minor tweaks that make things look simpler and do like it, but still tossing up between what i think of the new taskbar.
Ive tried linux a fair bit, its cool, but nothing to match my fully up and running windows installs, its too much extra work and tweaking to make it yours. Windows is pretty much ready to go. Install it, have windows update install all your required drivers and away you go.
I install a complete Debian desktop faster than installing a complete Windows desktop.
Of course it will be faster if i install a Debian server.
I use windows only for gaming and Windows development.
Believe me, if some specific applications in my office would run using wine, cxoffice, etc I would convert all those Win$crap desktops to Debian.
Oracle apps works fine, OpenOffice, Evolution, Firefox. Two things left that I couldn't work them out are Oracle Discoverer and Exceed WMS.
But who knows? ;)
The good news is, we dont buy Vista and or upgrade any dekstops in the office to Vista because we don't think we want to spend some budget to buy a decent VGA (read again : VGA), adding memory, etc for something as silly as "Aero"....
Not long ago when I was testing kde4.2b a dude came to me and said: Wov, what kinda Windows is that!?. I tried to explain that is actually linux and he replied: Neeeh, you're lying :P
and that is that the consumer wants something thats EASY to use
Somos animal de costumbre. pronto nos daremos cuenta que es un a buena herramienta
Actually, if any of you stopped for a minute you might realize that for many years now hardware manufacturers have been catering exclusively to Windows OS. Winprinters is just one example. To get the best out of any computing experience a person needs to have a minimum of skill. If I wanted a computer that was like a toaster I would ask for it. Each kind of OS caters to specific users, Windows for business apps, MAC for graphics and video, and Linux for the science and tech people that need the flexibility to "DIY" that neither Windows or MAC give a person. It's Okay, relax it;s just a machine and someone else's idea of what it should do. You either like the idea or you don't. Quit slagging each other and get a life.
... in fact you can run Linux, OSX and Windows all on the same (Intel) hardware. It is not as simple as saying MACS are just for creative/media types any longer, and PCs are for business people. That is bogus. I run commercial apps on my MAC happily, and some of the graphics cards/processors available for PCs can turn them into media-intensive crunchers. I currently dual boot Ubuntu and WinXP on the same machine.
I prefer MACs over PCs anyday, due to their reliability, performance, GUI, security, and control.
Personal choice. Some people like the technical challenge of overcoming BSODs, or the pleasure of hunting down the right driver version for their new add-on, or testing the technical ability of virus developers ... I don't.
Most people are easy to influence and will agree to anything you say to them provided you do it the right way. Critical approach is not a human thing.
The only difference is they rhyme with different words.
What great commitment to something you didn't create, contribute to, or even been able to convince anyone else to switch across to. You must be so proud of your failed ambitions. War fought, War lost... Windows 7 is coming and you are again all hands to the pump to defend something that doesn't really matter anymore and for what? Religious reasons alone. Tall poppy anyone...?
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great work boys. i would have loved to see their reactions once you told them it was actually KDE...
You did tell them, right?