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Mick Strider has some explaining to do.
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Recently, information has been unearthed that calls the veracity of these claims into question. If these claims cannot be reconciled, then in my opinion this is clear evidence of a deliberate pattern of deception, lies through omission and concealment of the truth. To reiterate what I stated in another thread: Quote:
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I welcome any corrections to this information. Any incorrect information will be immediately corrected or retracted. I leave it up to the individual reading this to draw their own conclusions about this matter, and the inconsistencies between Mick Striders self related history, what has been published, and what is listed in court documents. Below, please find relevant quotations, links, and statements about the items listed above
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SECTION 1: Mick Strider is also known as Mickey Ray Burger
Mick Strider was sued for libel and defamation by Chris Osman of Tactical Assault Gear on 08/09/2005. Named as defendants in the suit are: Appropriate Case information: Case Number: GIN046566Information retrieved from: http://www.sdcourt.ca.gov/portal/pag..._schema=PORTAL Actual copies of the court case cited require sending a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope with the above information to: North County Regional CenterSince Mick Strider has acknowledged publicly the results of this case, it can be established as fact that Mick Strider is a.k.a. MICKEY RAY BURGER. This is further bolstered by Mick Strider's alleged DD214 in Section 2 below.
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SECTION 2: Mick Strider claims he served in the 2/75th Rangers
When brought up by third parties, only general claims were made about Mick Strider’s military service record until 2005. No one had prior reason to disbelieve claims of service in the Ranger Battalions. On 7-19-2005, Mick Strider makes the following statement: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...509;p=1#000022 Quote:
Mick Strider posted his “DD214” on BadlandsForums.com presumably during the same time period. The document in question was alleged to be heavily altered. The following was posted by Beau Springer on 7-21-2005 - http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...514;p=1#000000 Quote:
This document is indeed heavily redacted. The only information displayed is: Block 1: BURGER, MICKEY RAYItems of note: Block 26 (SEPERATION CODE) is redacted, yet circled.The rest of Mick Strider’s statement on TacticalForums.com covers a wide variety of topics, but does not contain any denials or refutations of time in service. Since he posted the allegedly modified DD214, and offers no refutation to statements about dates, it therefore can be assumed that he acknowledges his service dates are from 1984-1986, and that at least part of his time in service was spent in the 2/75 Ranger Battalion. Mick Strider was repeatedly requested for dates of service, unit names, and times spent in those units. Mick Strider refused to provide them. A FOIA request resulted in the following documents: http://www.bladeforums.com/burger1.jpg http://www.bladeforums.com/burger2.jpg http://www.bladeforums.com/burger3.jpg Facts revealed by the FOIA documents: Mickey Ray Burger served from 12-26-85, until 11-26-86. 11 months of total active duty service. His final pay grade was Private, E-1. He attended Basic Airborne School in 1986, not 1984. He was assigned to C CO 2/75 RGR on 05-29-86 He was removed from the 2/75 and sent to A CO 3/47 IN on 08-04-86 He went AWOL on 08-29-86 and returned 1 week later He is discharged from the Army 81 days later on 11-26-86 Based on this information, Mick Strider was honorably discharged, and served in the Ranger Regiment. However, Mick Strider's posted DD214 did contain incorrect information. Furthermore, Mick Strider has mischaracterized the nature of his time in the 2/75 RGR, unless of course he gained vast amount of Special Operations knowledge in 65 days. FOIA paperwork shows no record of combat service, deployment to any war zone, and discharge before Operation Just Cause. Claims have been made that Mick Strider was removed from C CO 2/75 RGR because of a jump related injury. No medical documentation has been provided to support these claims, despite numerous requests. Mick Strider's Assignment paperwork indicates no long term hospitalization, or assignment to any Medical hold units. Furthermore, an injury severe enough to remove Mick Strider from 2/75 RGR would almost certainly qualify him for disability; no disability documentation has been provided to support his claims.
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SECTION 3: Mick Strider claims that he is a combat veteran, and alludes to being in combat.
10-02-2000, Mick Strider made the following statement on BladeForums.com: Quote:
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The reader is also left with the belief that Mick Strider was in a leadership position where he could dictate what weapons were utilized during missions. As lower enlisted in 2/75, he could not possibly have this authority; therefore it is assumed Mick Strider is referring to Special Operations missions. These statements were made over a period of years, with no equivocation and no real prompting; if they were made on BladeForums.com there is little doubt that there were also made elsewhere. This can be evidenced by statements made by associates of Mick Strider also claiming his status as a decorated combat vet. Quote:
Repeated requests have been made for him to provide any documentation showing combat service outside of the US Army in the period 1986-1993. None have been provided. It is an exercise for the reader to determine what private military contractor would hire a self admitted E1 with a "shitty attitude", a broken back, zero special skills training, who went AWOL from his Army unit during peacetime operations.
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SECTION 4: Mick Strider claims that during service, he developed a spinal injury, causing him to lose jump status. Mick Strider later claims that this injury led him to incur disciplinary action (whether Article 15 or other not known), and be discharged from service as an E1
The following statements are made by Mick Strider 7-22-2005, indicating his injury was the reason for his discharge: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...c;f=8;t=000514 Quote:
http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...c;f=8;t=000555 The settlement for Case Number GIN046566 cited above states: Quote:
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6774 (attached also as file “Badlands Forums - whats up with mick__.pdf”) Quote:
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6774 (attached also as file “Badlands Forums - whats up with mick__.pdf”) Quote:
Medical documentation backing up the claims of a parachute related injury have been requested and ignored. Based on my personal experience on Jump status in the US Army, I've never seen someone removed from a unit and sent to another based on injury alone, unless they were sent to a Medical Hold unit. Injured soldiers may be hospitalized, put on profile, or otherwise restricted in their duty, but they were kept in the same unit and their NCO's were expected to keep track of them and follow their progress. Mick Strider was not sent to a Medical Hold unit, he was sent to A CO, 3/47 IN.
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Section 5: Court documents involving a libel & defamation case against Mick Strider include a settlement where he states his discharge from Army service as an E1, and barred from reenlistment. Part of the settlement agreement includes statemens refuting combat claims and "black ops" experience. Military.com shows Mickey Ray Burger as having a final rank of E1.
On 4-02-06 Kevin McClung makes the following statement on TacticalForums.com: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...c;f=8;t=000555 Quote:
Name : MICKEY RAY BURGERhttp://www.military.com/Locator/DodD...056385,00.html Confirmation of a MOS 11B1P designation shows that Mick Strider (a.k.a. Mickey Ray Burger) was never a graduate of Ranger School. A last recorded Pay Grade of E-1 would indicate either a premature separation of service during the first 6 months, or loss of rank due to misconduct. Loss of rank is acknowledged by Mick Strider repeatedly, as quoted in sections above; this means he received at least one Article 15, or was subject to more severe punishment leading to discharge. To date, no corrections or statements have been made by Mick Strider correcting the various claims of combat service on BladeForums.com made by himself, or others.
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SECTION 6: From 1986 to 1993 there is no information on Mick Strider’s activities.
No corroborating evidence can be found or is provided for any Special Operations activities or combat experience during this time frame. Several requests have been made for Mick Strider to provide any evidence backing up his claims of being a combat vet, each has been met with evasion, misdirection, or equivocation. Since Mick Strider was incarcerated from 1993 until 1998, and having a very public Strider Knives persona from 1998 until present, any claims of Special Operations activity must fall between the years 1986 through 1993. Furthermore, his felony conviction would disqualify him for any SECRET or above clearances without a special waiver; it is up to the reader to decide whether they find it credible that one would be issued. If no SECRET or above clearance was in effect, any claims of Special Operations service after 1998 can be discounted. FOIA documents show that Mick Strider went AWOL while on active duty. What effect this would have on being issued a SECRET or above clearance is unknown. Custody documents from Mick Strider’s divorce indicate he met his then-wife in April of 1992. She relates that Mick Strider described his past as being a Ranger, indicating his service ended before that time. I have chosen not to consider this accurate evidence despite it being a court document as custody hearings lead to extravagent claims on a regular basis.
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SECTION 7: Mick Strider states that after his time in the Army, he "rolled" with some "heavy" hitters and alludes that this time was spend performing Special Operations missions. http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6774
(see also attached file Badlands_Forums___whats_up_with_mick__.pdf as viewing the above link requires registration on BadlandsForums.com) Quote:
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SECTION 8: Mick Strider claims in 1993 he was "tasked" with obtaining a vehicle and stole it / carjacked it. It is intimated that this was done while operating in a “black ops” style unit; the reader is left to draw their own conclusions based on lack of information and Mick Strider’s “reputation” in the Special Operations community.. He was arrested and convicted for this crime.
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6774 (see also attached file Badlands_Forums___whats_up_with_mick__.pdf as viewing the above link requires registration on BadlandsForums.com) Quote:
The non-violent claims of this crime, however, are belied by the charges filed in CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 93-CR-693-ALL, USA v. Strider (see attached file USA_v._Strider_Docket_Info.doc) Further evidence of the crime’s violent nature is found when the bond is set at $1,000,000
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com Only Sharp Knives are Interesting |
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SECTION 9: Mick Strider claims that during sentencing, the prosecutor was supposed to ask for his sentence to be one year’s service in Somalia, with his pay forfeit. Given the nature of the other claims, this service is intimated to be Special Operations in nature, especially given his attempts to tie it to the deaths of Rangers in Mogadishu during that time.
On 07-23-2006, Mick Strider makes the following statement: http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ghlight=prison Quote:
On 02-06-2007 Mick Strider made the following statement on BadlandsForums.com: http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6774 (see also attached file Badlands_Forums___whats_up_with_mick__.pdf as viewing the above link requires registration on BadlandsForums.com) Quote:
Other data making it unlikely that any such "plea bargain deal" existed:
I strongly urge that the reader examine the above quote in context in the Badlands PDF file attached above; then decide for themselves what is being conveyed, especially through the omission of extra information. EDIT: Mick Strider posted the following letter from his attorney: No evidence of a written plea agreement. No evidence of any agreement. No mention of courtroom change of hearts by the prosecution. Just a mention of an offer, by the defense, that was rejected.
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com Only Sharp Knives are Interesting |
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SECTION 10: Mick Strider does not “serve for a year in Somalia” and was instead sentenced to 5 years in prison.
From CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 93-CR-693-ALL, USA v. Strider (see attached file USA_v._Strider_Docket_Info.doc)
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com Only Sharp Knives are Interesting |
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SECTION 11: After release from prison in 1998, Mick Strider started Strider Knives.
Contradictory information exists in several locations regarding the accurate beginning of Strider Knives Inc. Magazine articles reference Strider Knives starting in 1994, Wikipedia lists 1997, and Mick Strider was released from prison in 1998. Since it is near impossible to run a business while incarcerated, it can be presumed that Strider Knives, Inc was founded after Mick Strider’s release from prison. On 7-22-2005 on TacticalForums.com, Mick Strider makes the following statement: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...514;p=1#000022 Quote:
EDIT: New info Posted on BadlandsForums: http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ghlight=DD-214 and http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...509;p=1#000022 Quote:
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/Sho...umber=C2325878 STRIDER KNIVES, INC. Number: C2325878 Date Filed: 1/5/2001 Status: active Jurisdiction: California Address 120 N PACIFIC ST L 7 SAN MARCOS, CA 92069 Agent for Service of Process DUANE DWYER 120 N PACIFIC ST L 7 SAN MARCOS, CA 92069 Mick Strider statement above implies that since the corporation is not registered in Mick Strider's name, Government contract regulations about purchasing from convicted felons are neatly bypassed.
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com Only Sharp Knives are Interesting |
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SECTION 12: Following his release Mick Strider builds a reputation that his products are based on Special Operations and combat experience. Numerous magazine articles are written alleging to this experience and how it makes his product a better choice.
From American Handgunner 2002 Tactical Annual article titled “STRIDER KNIVES!” written by Darryl Bolke (see attached file AmericanHandgunner_2002TacticalAnnual_StriderKnive s.pdf which is also available for download from http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/Im...iderKnives.pdf ) Quote:
From American Handgunner, Jan-Feb 2005 article Evolving edges: Strider knives get better and badder, by Pat Covert http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...29/ai_n7578410 Quote:
From American Handgunner, March 2000 article Strider Knives are Hard Corps again by Pat Covert http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...24/ai_59328828 Quote:
Other article quotes will be added as they are located.
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SECTION 13: Mick Strider makes references to carrying and using firearms, despite that he is a convicted felon.
On 3-28-2002 Mick Strider makes the following statement on BladeForums.com: Quote:
On 6-13-2002 Mick Strider makes the following statement on BladeForums.com: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=27 Quote:
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=35 (see also attached file micks rig.jpg ) The picture in question displays an apparently well used Load Bearing Equipment set up, made by Special Operations Equipment. Visible at the top left is a 1911 style magazine in a pistol magazine pouch. Multiple rifle magazine pouches are visible. At the lower right, a Safariland 6004 holster for 1911 style pistols is attached to the harness. Also visible is a Protec style hockey helmet with goggles. The overall impression presented by this picture is that this is Special Forces CQB style gear, worn by a Special Operations person during operations. It bears no resemblance to standard issue equipment configurations for any regular Army unit. Given that this is 4 years after Mick Strider’s release from federal custody, the guidelines set forth in the document “AMENDED JUDGEMENT INCLUDING SENTENCE” for “CRIMINAL CASE NO. 93CR0693-GT” (see attached file Strider_J_C.pdf) would still have been in effect Quote:
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg Owner, BladeForums.com Only Sharp Knives are Interesting Last edited by Spark; 01-01-2008 at 03:59 PM. Reason: Update with quote |
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SECTION 14: Current collaborations with other businesses list Mick Strider as former Special Operations personnel.
Mick Strider has worked with Buck Knives, Inc, for several years, releasing multiple “Buck Strider” branded items. Buck Knives has repeatedly published information stating that Mick Strider is former Special Operations personnel, including the current description in their paper catalog, and on their website as follows: http://www.buckknives.com/catalog/236#strider Quote:
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Just one civil question please Kevin.
If all of this is true, and it is all OLD news that has been talked about, hashed and rehashed, dissected and detected, why would you spend all the time and effort to gather it all together and bring it up again? To my knowledge, Mick has apologized to his family, friends,customers,those important to him, and moved on. Should he have to pay for it for the rest of time? It is all OLD news. And dont blame Strider for that other thread about cold steal, he didnt post in it or have anything to do with it. Even Kevin McClung calls it yesterday's news. Strider has no forum or presence at all on BF, hasnt for long time. You took the time to search tactical forums, badlands forum, bladeforums archives, legal papers,in other words you spent a decent amount of time on it. One really has to question your motives and ask why? Dont tell me it's because you want to protect Bladeforums members from that big bad liar Mick. I doubt your motives are that pristine Kevin. Heck, you had one of the biggest liars of all time start this place with you, remember? And it doesnt affect your business because they dont post here, 1sks doesnt sell Strider products, so tell us why the need to document it all and bring it up again? He has admitted and apologized so why the need for another public flogging? Are you punishing him for things his friends and defenders have said? And if you've seen the paperwork you know that he is not the owner of Strider knives. Go ahead and ban me if you like, no matter, I'll probably survive, but you know that I know that your motives are not pure. I've seen alot of situations arise here at BF since 1999, some involving members getting ripped off for lots of cash and you never got this involved. Is it time for a little revenge? Payback? Maybe a little financial or professional jealousy? Why??? What about the fact that he apologized and paid for it? Do you mention the truckloads of gear he has given soldiers? The money raised for and the help given to Rob Simonich's family when Rob passed away? The huge amount of money he raises every year for kids with autism? The fact that a percentage of the money from the collaboration with Ken Onion and kershaw goes to paralyzed veterans? The fact that a percentage of the money from the collaboration with Kit Carson goes to the EOD memorial? Tell the good with the bad, tell the whole story. So let's say everything you posted is true(I know some of it not to be, small points but suppose it's all true) and he admitted it and apologized. Notice I have not defended or tried to justify one single thing. What would you have him do? Grovel for the rest of his life? Close down the business and get a job in a factory? What would be enough for you? Again I say why? And why now? And why put in all the time and effort if you're not involved? You and I have always been friendly, not friends exactly but friendly. You even called me on the phone that time to tell me all your big plans for raising money for Rob Simonich's family, remember? So what is your stake in all of this and why would you put all this effort into it? |
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While it doesn't speak against him, it doesn't speak for him either. It's marketing. You give soldiers knives and get real authentic pictures from Iraq or Afghanistan with these knives on it. It underlines the hardcoreness and leads people into buying more of these knives "made by a hero" and carried by lots of real soldiers.
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You are a very well respected, kind, and talented guy. I, however, have to question what exactly you're talking about when you say that this is all "old news" and has been "admitted" to. I think your "why now" and "what do you want" questions could be answered by taking a good look at the following (all are recent posts): http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=10 Quote:
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Regards, 3G Last edited by 3Guardsmen; 02-11-2007 at 07:55 AM. Reason: spelling and link fix |
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Not that long ago.
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As far as his numerous claims of weapons possession since his conviction. He is either lying or violating the agreement of his release. Anyone have any pictures of him holding/using a weapon since his release. The Feds would probably just love to reaquaint him with a prison cell for this. Part of his agreement in the cival suit settlement was to retract his claims where ever they showed up. Buck is still using them. He uses them on his own site as well as in magazine copy. Maby a concerned citizen should drop a dime to the judge that handed down the ruling and oversaw the settlement along with a copy of all his posts and boasts since the settlement and see what he thinks of it. I know there is more than enough evidence for me to never buy a Strider knife and to advise everyone I know not to and why. It is a shame, his partner seems to be the real deal. To bad he got tied up with a scumbag like Mick. Without his partner Mick is nothing, convicted felons can't do contract sales to the government. So all those knives being sold to the government would be going to a company that would actually deserve the bussiness.
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hey spark=what happened to the bf auction knives?
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