INTERVIEW
WITH MR. SHIGERU AOYAGI
(up)
1.- What is UNESCO´s mission in the world?
UNESCO was established immediately
after World War II, in 1945 with the aim to create
the peaceful human mind which should contribute to
the peace of the World. The UNESCO is a U.N. affiliated
specialist organization which is working for the promotion
of education, science, culture, information and communication.
2.- What is the specific mission of
your department in UNESCO?
I am Chief of Literacy and Non-Formal
education and my section´s mission is working
with the member states which count 109 at this moment
to promote literacy and non-formal education. I have
eight professionals in my section including myself.
UNESCO has the educational region beureus in four
regions and lots of field offices in each country.
We also have the UNESCO Institute of Education in
Hamburg, Montrel, Paris, and two big networks where
we are now going to promote literacy and non-formal
education.
3.- What are the requirements needed for an organization
to be "Partner of UNESCO"?
As a pattern we have several categories.
One is the NGO´s, for whom the UNESCO has some
criteria for them to be an official "Partner
of UNESCO". In addition to that, according to
the programs, as for example, my program of the literacy
Decade we have special kind of criteria and rules.
In case of, for example "Education for rural
people" which is organised by UNESCO FAO its
an open partnership system. So, everybody who wants
to join this partnership who is working for this particular
field are most welcome. Another aspect is that UNESCO
has the associated school system which has some steps
to be a partner which can be obtained through the
internet. There is also another aspect where UNESCO
has the special relationship with particular Universities
on particular subjects under UNESCO competences.
4.- What are the commitments of an organization which
is "Partner of UNESCO"?
5.- In what situation is literacy at the moment on
the world scale?
The situation is not so satisfactory.
We still have 862 million adult illiterates, 104 million
out - of - school children in the world according
to the latest EFA-Monitoring report. The Monitoring-report
is also projecting that in the year 2015 which is
the goal year for EFA we will still have the same
number of illiterate people. This is really a scandalous
situation at this moment.
6.- What is the situation like in
Europe and where is Spain in relation to the rest
of Europe or other countries?
Literacy is not only a problem of
developing countries but also of developed countries,
including European countries. Recently, an NGO conducted
a sample survey about basic literacy in France, and
according to the result of the survey surprisingly
over 10% of adults cannot read or write French. This
is mainly because of migrant people and the drop out
of schools. So, this is a very dangerous situation
in developed countries as well. I don´t think
this is a particular problem in France, but other
countries as well. Even in Netherlands, the Royal
Family has one focal point: to promote literacy in
their countries. They are very serious in the promotion
of literacy.
Nowadays, the education system is facing to some kind
of hazard and a lot of kids even in developed countries
are tempted to - there is a tendency - of dropping
out of the process of schooling so this will increase
the adult illiteracy in the future.
7.- What is non-formal education and what is the objective
of its development?
Actually, non-formal education has
a very wide sense. All the learning and education
intervention out of school we call it non-formal education.
That means adult education, education for out of school
children, for adults and education for elder people
in the framework of life-long learning. One of the
feature or nature of non-formal education is the "learner-centred"
approach. Non-formal education does not have set spaces
like schools or set time. This is a very flexible
approach which can be promoted further in the future.
Nowadays UNESCO tries to promote the integration of
non-formal education and formal education. We believe
that non-formal education has a very big potential
in the future to deliver learner- centred and tailor-made
education to the old learners.
8.- What main projects is UNESCO undertaking
at the moment?
The UNESCO´s top priority in
education is "Education for all" so the
UNESCO and other International Agencies had a World
Program of Education in Dakar, Senegal 2000. In the
World Education Program all the members of the countries
which participated, which count more than 150, commited,
they promised the six goals to be achieved by 2015.These
goals are:
1. Promotion of a literate education.
2. Universilization of Primary Education by year 2015.
3. That International Communication countries provide
meaningful learning to the young generations.
4. 50% improvement of literacy by the year 2015.
5. Gender equality and gender equity.
6. Promotion of quality of life.
So, these are the six goals of priority
in UNESCO´s Education Sector, the EFA´s
top priority and especially literacy as a common threat
to these six goals.
9.- What pedagogical ideas are suggested
by a Congress such as this one?
I have listened to a very interesting
lecture today. Mr. Alfredo Tiemblo mentioned the integration
of culture and science. He showed a lot of examples
of dicotomies. Like science and emotion, knowledge
and emotion, skills and knowledge. This kind of integration
is quite important. In the second lecture the professor
presented the history of literacy and also the concept
of how we can generate the concept of knowledge. This
kind of approach is quite interesting. The integrated
approach tried to show us some kind of human value
not only putting the importance on knowledge but also
on emotional, human aspect, the human value. This
kind of approach is very important especially to the
kids at the Primary level.
10.- What objectives should a Congress such as this
one achieve?
Another interesting initiative nowadays
is the promotion of information literacy which is
not just learning reading, writing and calculating,
but how we can use and integrate and also locate literary
information; how we can cope with this information
which is available here and there. In the future,
the information literacy can be one of the curricular
of the Primary and Secondary levels.
11.- Are you aware of similar projects under way and
what are there main ideas?
One of the biggest priority of UNESCO´s
project in the field of literacy is how we can set
up the Monitoring and evaluing systems. It was a long
time wish for the International Community and the
countries to come up with some kind of reliable and
authentic data collection on the Monitoring system
because it is very difficult to measure and monitor
literacy programs. Literacy is not only confined reading
and writing, but has other issues like gender equality,
health programs, so literacy and non-formal education
is very complex and difficult to measure. Our next
task for the next millennium is how we can come up
with authentic and reliable monitoring and evaluing
system. We call it "Non-formal education management
information system". That is one area. The second
area is to promote the community learned-centre because
literacy, non-formal education and adult education
take place at the community according to their demands.
If we cannot address the real needs of the people
at the community level, education will fail. The community
learned-centre nowadays, especially in the developing
countries are quite common. It´s the people´s
initiatives, the people´s investment, so the
promotion of the community learned-centred is another
very important project for UNESCO.
12.- Although it is evident that you are not able
to accompany on the three days of the Congress, what
impressions will you take with you?
Today I have learned that the founder
of this University, Don Bosco, is the founder of the
school for professional kids. At the time, in the
late 19th century, the big change was happening and
today we are also facing a very big change because
of internet, because of the information, the revolution.
So, once again, revisit the concept of education,
what education means. This kind of very fundamental
question is very, very important, and I was very happy
to see a lot of speakers today trying to reflect on
what is the real education. This kind of approach
is very important and meaningful, especially for the
teachers in the future. Education is not imparting
knowledge. Its kind of the human intervention with
the kids. So, that kind of very fundamental principle
should be again revued in this future rapidly changing
world. In that sense I was quite happy and pleased
to listen to the various lectures today about the
principle and fundamental concept, and the meaning
of learning and education.
Thank you very much.
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