UNICEF Demands Tighter Loli Ban for Japan
- Filed under: Manga, News
- Date: Jan 14, 2009 09:40 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Delicious Cake, Law, Lolicon, Politics, UNICEF
Unsatisfied with the recently strengthened laws against underage pornography, UNICEF “ambassador” to Japan Agnes Chan, a washed up Chinese entertainer, has presented the government with a petition comprised of 114,624 signatures, demanding the law be revised to UNICEF’s liking, which in this case involves increasing threefold the maximum sentence for certain offences.
According to UNICEF, one of the pressing threats to the health and well being of the world’s children is in fact the legal environment facing underage pornography in Japan, not, as some ignorant souls might think, the problems of disease and malnutrition.
Confident of this, Agnes Chan submitted the petition saying “The people are expressing a strong objection to this pornography. We want you to overcome faction and realise a revised law.” She went so far as to demand the cooperation of a variety of minor opposition parties.
The revision being sought would eliminate a lesser offence of “satisfying one’s own sexual curiosity”, carrying a maximum of one year’s imprisonment, making all such possession of pornography featuring underaged participants a more severe case of “simple possession”, carrying a maximum sentence of three years.
None of these revisions have any actual effect on those who might have sex with someone not of legal age, as such offences are already well covered by a wide variety of other laws.
UNICEF and Mrs Chan have on repeated occasions spoken out against the fact that equally severe punishments are not available for those view material featuring imaginary, entirely fictional children, so it is not hard to see where she will direct her attentions next, should she have her way; then it will be three years for possession of loli manga.
Via Jiji.
The non-existent children of the world can rest easy in their imaginary beds knowing they are defended by so staunch a crusader against freedom of expression…
Makes me wonder why I never hear any stories about people wanting to ban guro.
Obviously decapitating adult women and shoving insects up their vaginas before you kill them is a much better fantasy than fantasizing consensual sex with someone with a flat chest.
The sick pedos.
Wow, I must master the art of decapitating a woman before I kill her.
Onni, you’re a retard.
You’re promoting murder and you’re against consensual sex with someone with a flat chest? Why a flat chest? Some women have flat chests. If I have sex with a flat-chested woman, am I a pedophile? You’re a fucking douchebag. Next time, be specific. It’s not like the imaginary loli girls would be traumatized. Go back to primary school, please.
You are the retarded dude LOL
Do you know what is an irony? Get a brain…
Clearly Jones is a lolicon and Esuher doesn’t know the difference between irony and sarcasm. How ironic.
UNICEF should mind their own business, which is feeding and clothing poor children. It shouldn’t be butting into a sovereign country’s legal affairs, much less be dictating them.
Busybodies.
Agreed, UNICEF sucks
just because they can’t do their task well in Africa
then they meddling in other “gain popularity as child defender without spending much money” operation
and 100,000 for those petition? too weak
we can follow it with counter petition with 500,000+ easily
Yeah. Online petitions mean nothing. They’re so easy to ratfuck by anyone who feels like it, it’s just ridiculous.
Let’s see them get that many signatures from the Japanese populace. Fat chance.
いやぁん、ベア子ちゃんはなくなちゃうよ！
The real tragedy here is how easily people give out their signatures. Like “Stop the pedos? sure I believe in that”
THAT sounds like a plan to me.
If you can… or anyone else in the area for that matter… make it happen. :)
It’s time those pretentious stick-up-their-collective-asses fucks got back into the business they were originally charged with: FEEDING AND CLOTHING THE THIRD WORLD CHILDREN WHO NEED IT!
Ms. Chan ‘demanded’ the Japanese Government revise their laws? She’s in no position to be dictating terms. Far as I’M concerned, she should be back in the kitchen making sammiches for those little kids who are going hungry all over the world. In fact, *I* demand that’s what she (and UNICEF) do! It’s all she’s worth.
Believe it or not, this rage you see is outrage, not mindless yammering. But nothing will get done if no one’s willing to step up to the plate to swing the bat, right? ;)
I can only hope more rational heads prevail over there on the other side of this Rock.
otakus just have to do a petition and ask signatures at the comiket entrance, demanding the ban of those unicef laws
Good idea.
wait… that is like 500,000+ signatures, talk about pure win.
The more I hear about things like this, the greater my rage. Not only does that mean less loli for me, but there’s also the possibility of this coming to my country, and being lumped in with other sexual offenders who may have actually molested someone.
It’s already somewhat here in the States. Gotta feel sorry to own loli manga. But if the guy was a pedo already, then by all means, but to draw the rest of us who appreciate lolis… *shakes head*
There isn’t anything wrong with having sex with a child, seeing as how children are born with fully functional genitals and no ‘force field’ between their genitals and adults genitals.
If people REALLY wanted to protect children from truly forced sexual encounters…. they would legalize pedosexuality, bring it out into the open, and start teaching children that NO ONE (not even their parents) has the right to force them to do ANYTHING they do not wish to do.
Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t want to give children that power because they think that they ‘know better’ than children do just because they are older than them and ‘more experienced’ (excuse me, but children are more well informed and worldly than most adults today) than them.
>There isn’t anything wrong with having sex with a child, seeing as how children are born with fully functional genitals and no ‘force field’ between their genitals and adults genitals.
you are an idiot
Agreed
Yes. We all know how mature most children are.
(Okay, I guess there are plenty of immature adults as well, but I dare say that’s beside the point.)
>Yes. We all know how mature most children are.
One has to note though that this is mainly society’s (and christianity’s) fault. Take a look at ancient history (or countries without much western influence [some sporting an age of consent as young as 9]) and you’ll notice that it wasn’t always like that. Just to clarify: if we take “children” as in “pre-teen” than yes, I too think that it’s nearly impossible for a (3D-)child to be mature enough for sex at that age.
Well to be fair it wasn’t exactly benefiting the women though with the age gap. Look at Ancient Greece for example(actually Athens as Spartans married around their own age) where females had significantly less power in the household. Part of that can be attributed to the gap between males who were in their 60’s marrying 20 year olds(especially after the Peloponnesian Wars when there was a good lack of males in Athens). A good person to look up in regards to Mediterranean gender patterns is a professor called Cohen who has published some good articles on this topic. Almost all societies that allow children to marry young(and by children it pretty much is female as the male has to support the female) it is pretty much a patriarchal society.
While this is true, I still think it’s possible in a society that is not patriarchal. Will take a look at this Cohen professor’s work, might come in handy for future arguments… Knowledge is powah.
You are a sick fuck and need therapy.
>>There isn’t anything wrong with having sex with a child, seeing as how children are born with fully functional genitals and no ‘force field’ between their genitals and adults genitals.<<
My mind boggles as how you can actually type that. There’s absolutely everything wrong with having sex with a child.
For the greater part of human history- average lifespans were around 20-30 years old. The age of puberty marks sexual maturation, around the mid-teenage years for girls.
Even in Classic Greece, marriages were around 14-15 for the girl.
It really depends on the definition of what a “child” is~ based on strict or loose interpretations on what sexual maturation means for a minor.
and plus, toddlercon is just creepy shit ._.
I was just going to write the very same…
Forwarding the opinion “it depends on the definition of child”. Age of consent varies from country to country. Can you all concretely tell me which country is right and which country is filled with “sick fucks”?
The other country is invariably wrong on this.
Btw I wouldn’t really use Greece as a good example of this as they had their own problems especially in regards to equality in the marriage. The term Kurios(sp?) sums up all their views on weddings and households with the male pretty much controlling most of the household. Sparta had alot of homosexuality(mostly on purpose because it built better phalanxes) and Athens had a huge age gap. I’m sure the female rights movement would like to have a word with you. Also the average life expectancy was closer to 30-40 years even though there were cases such as Plato who lived much longer(like 76 years).
oh great…
See what happens when you legitimize HOMOSEXUALITY to the mainstream? Now pedophiles such as CHRISTOPHER now demanding pedosexuality to be legitimized.
Don’t you mean there’s nothing wrong with a child to explore their own bodies and maybe have some casual encounters with another child (which wouldn’t be sexual but curiosity)?
Stating that a child is mature enough to understand the implications of sex is an excuse pedophiles use, sorry hon.
Agreed, Yaku.
They may be naturally curious, but that doesn’t mean they’re ready for the consequences of the act and what comes after it.
Plus, as much as I agree with one anon put it about toddlercon being creepy (it is), I have to argue about the age of consent through history by only one point: That was then, this is now. As the average human lifespan got higher and higher, so did society’s (the majority of countries anyway) views on age of maturity and consent. Religion played a part in that, but that’s another topic entirely.
UNICEF still needs a fucking muzzle and choke collar though.
Excuse me, but there are no ‘consequences’ save pregnancy… and guess what? If you are old enough to get pregnant, you are SUPPOSED to be getting pregnant, whether you are 30, 13 or 3!
That’s blunt fact, and nature says it as well. What is the median age in human years for all other animals to be getting pregnant? Ranges from 3 to 7, with some animals being even YOUNGER THAN THAT.
You MUST be a sadistic necrophiliac with a bestiality fetish… ‘cuz you’re beating a dead horse here, Christopher.
And using the ‘animals get pregnant at a younger age’ line is pure and utter boolsheett. There’s a reason why animals have offspring at a younger age: DIFFERENCES IN AGING RATES. Cats can become sexually mature at 5-6 months of age, and dogs at about 16-18 months. Are you advocating Babyfuck using *that* particular bit of reasoning? Because if you are, the next words you hear will be from someone offline in a nice suit saying things like, “You have the right to remain silent”.
Jesus. Get some professional help before the Party Van finds you. Really.
Hey, Christopher - you are one sick puppy.
By that logic, you should allow children to drink, to drive, to own firearms, to marry, to do just about anything that adults know “better than” children about. There’s a reason that these kinds of rules are in place - to prevent people like you from rationalizing their PEDOPHILIA to the well-adjusted adults who castigate them.(look it up creep, there’s a clinical diagnosis! It’s considered a “paraphilia,” which is a psychologically and socially inappropriate sexual attraction) Children are not mature enough to understand all of the ramifications of the sexual act, like numerous STDs, pregnancy, the fact that it can be used as leverage or emotional manipulation - there’s enough trouble getting legal adults to treat sex responsibly, let alone six-year-olds! I don’t know who the hell let you out of your jail cell, but you should be thrown right back in there. I don’t trust college kids to make responsible, “well-informed and worldly” decisions, so I don’t know what the fantasy land you’re living in. One where you can rape little children, apparently.
As for adult experience - it’s VERY easy for a person in a position of power to intimidate or manipulate someone into doing something that they don’t want to do. It can be considered rape if a boss manipulates an employee into having sex with them, because the position of authority is used as leverage. Well, to a little kid, ALL adults are authority figures, and if creepy uncle teddy tells you to sit on his lap and stay still while he sticks his hand up your skirt, you’re going to do it EVEN IF IT MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE! You’re taught to respect your elders, to listen to mommy and daddy and the nice neighbor next door, to be polite to strangers - well, the social skills that are ingrained and the logical processing that children are capable of is not up to the task of making a “well-informed” decision about whether or not sex is ok! God, you make me sick.
As for the cutesy little force-field comment (dripping with sarcasm, in case you’re too fucking stupid to pick up on it) and the “fully functioning genitalia at birth” claim, you’re an idiot. Really. It hurts me just how ignorant you are. You just CAN’T be that stupid, even if you ARE rationalizing. Have you ever heard of, get this - PUBERTY!? Your genitalia aren’t “fully functioning” until either you begin to produce sperm or you get your period, depending upon gender of course. Sure, all the works are extant at birth (with the possible exception of the testes, which don’t drop for a bit and can in some cases never drop, won’t get into that,) but that DOES NOT mean that they are designed to be stuck in things or get things stuck in them until you START producing the necessary lubricants, which are hormonally controlled, you goddamned retard! You can KILL a child that’s too young to have sex by literally ripping their innards and causing them to hemorrhage to death. Is that the part you think adults don’t know better about? Maybe little children engage in what seem to be sexual activities out of curiosity, hell it’s even possible for children to have orgasms. That does not mean that it is in any way ok for an adult to take advantage of their authority and manipulate, injure, and most likely emotionally scar an child that is TOO YOUNG TO GIVE CONSENT. What next, baby rape? “He’s not crying so it must mean he likes it.”
You disgust me.
If anyone like you ever laid a finger on one of my children or a child I knew, hell, even a child I don’t know - I would personally make sure that you could never function sexually again. (killing you would be too merciful)
As an added note to the Loli lovers - fap to whatever you want! You can look at imaginary little children and think about anything at all, draw pictures of it, write stories about it - freedom of speech, and everyone has their fetishes. It’s only when sick fucks like this guy talk about having sex with real children that it goes too far.
fuckin royally PWNED
And you sir, are a fken retard who does not know how to make a logical argument. GTFO the internet and take your self justifying arse somewhere where my ears dont bleed from your drabble.
Funny… seeing as how most of the adults who haven’t bought into the religious moral bullshit AGREE with me about this… I think people like you are on the outside on this issue.
Most people are just unwilling to say something, because people like Anonymous yell them down, and use bullshit argument.
Personally, I was having sex with adults from the age of 7 and with other children from 2-3…. children are MORE than able to make their own choices about who touches their body and who doesn’t. Period, done with, over: they are able to.
You just don’t want to believe it, because you want to think that adults can make children do ANYTHING they want them to do… spend 10 minutes babysitting children, as I do on a regular basis (and the people in question KNOW that I am a pedosexual because I have told them that, and find NOTHING wrong with it)…. you will find that children will not do anything just because an adult tell them to do it.
All of this ‘protect the children’ BS is not about protecting children. It is about keeping them from making their own choices and having their parents brainwash them into following their ‘morality’ that isn’t very moral.
No wonder you’re so fucked up.
I stand by my earlier statement: Get help. For your OWN sake as much as any child you’ll come across in the future (pun unintended). :|
I’ll do somewhat the devil’s advocate here. I must expressly state that what I’m about to write might NOT reflect my own opinion… I just like to argue and the ”opposite side” here is just too pitiful.
First, I won’t try to excuse sex with children before sexual self-awareness and adults. That would be absurd.
But children, from the beginning of puberty, have the physiological - natural - possibility to have sex.
But does that mean it wouldn’t be harmful to them to maintain such a relationship? No studies were ever made on this simply because of the absence of actual experimental subjects. So we are reduced to mere assumptions, unfortunately therefore biased by our conception of morality.
Conception which is in itself perfectly abstract; born from the collective unconscious of a society, and that evolves through time. A century ago, everyone would have reacted in such a strong way if we told that homosexuality might be normal.
Also, our own moral has one major flaw, and that is the denial of children actually having a sexuality. Yes, children masturbate and explore their sexuality, and are not asexual angels whatever you may think. The japanese seem to have accepted this better than the Occidental.
As a final statement (that can apply as much to this as to the loli manga case):
”The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Christopher is a troll. Ignore him.
Remember DFTT
I draw the line at biological puberty.
I love my lolis. I already wrote an angry email to UNICEF demanding why must they pursue such fruitless efforts to fight lolis and not help the starving and dying children in Africa.
Fuck you UNICEF. My money is wasted on an organization that’s not helping the living and possibly dying children of the world. Imaginary children get more love than real ones.
That is why you should not donate to these worthless institutions. It is better to donate to church funds which actually use the money for poor and vulnerable childrens.
You know what? For once I actually agree with you.
The church = good?
And in this case you’re right, it does. That’s trippy.
Just another case of the anti-sex idiots trying to get their way in the world.
It’s about time to realize that pedosexuality is a normal sexuality, that there is nothing wrong with making love with a child as long as they are a WILLING participant (which, speaking from my experiences as a child, most children are!) and start getting on the cases of the children who whine about being ’sexually abused’ years after the fact.
I call that last thing ‘crocodile tears’. If someone REALLY has a problem with being doinked or was TRULY forced into a sexual encounter… they are damn well going to tell their parents immediately, not wait 15 or 25 years to whine about it!
I know that from experience: when I was young and someone tried to force me to do ANYTHING (sexual or not) that I didn’t want to do….. I damn well told them no, and if they tried to force me to do the thing in question, yelled and screamed or went and told my parents.
…Seriously?
I read this article where this cop told his kids repeatedly over and over “Don’t get into a stranger’s car.” Then as an experiment, he sent out a friend who was a stranger to his kids to try to pick them up. With candy.
Guess what? They got into his car.
Kids don’t know any better. Hell, even 18 year-olds don’t seem to know any better. I had some dumbass in my district back in HS play Russian roulette with some friends for whatever fucking reason. It ended with his brains splattered all over the wall.
Anyway, you’re an idiot and a sicko. I hope you get some professional help someday.
…I love you, Anon.
The ‘decision making’ part of the brain isn’t fully developed until it is 25 years old
And in too many cases… like Christopher’s….. it never develops at all.
Which is a scary thought considering how many breeders are walking the Earth.
>The ‘decision making’ part of the brain isn’t >fully developed until it is 25 years old
Then why the hell can you vote when you are 18? Or drive a car? Since they cant decide on anything, but we let them ruin a country by voting or kill someone with a car?
yeah was gonna point that out. they even say that humans are not fully mentally ready for sex around the same age.
Sources from published journals please.
You’re still a sick fuck.
Dude, stop while you’re ahead. Seriously, stop. If you’re trolling, then A+, but otherwise you have no legal/moral/scientific leg to stand on.
Actually, yeah, I do have a ‘legal, moral and scientific leg’ to stand on. The fact is that children are BORN WITH FULLY FUNCTIONAL GENITALS, therefore they are SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING SEX, with adults too, since there is no ‘force field’ between adults and children’s genitals.
We simply need to realize that children are MORE than able to make their own choices about sex at about the age of 2. Before that… their parents can make it for them.
WTF?! children are more than able to make their own choices about sex at about the age of 2???
They got like barely 100 proper words in their vocabulary and they can make decisions? You’re really freaking sadistically screwed up!
I heard there’s a drug company in the US that’s making a pill to cure homosexuality. I hope the make the same for pedos.
There is already a pill to cure all known deviancy. Its active ingredient is cyanide.
That’s only a court-ordered medication, Artefact, and only in extreme cases.
Not all states in the U.S. have those ‘medications’ either.
Oh no, that post by Christopher is really creepy. You’re sick dude LOL.
Yep, seems no organization is completely shielded from personal interests, prejudice, and biased opinnions.
Because of course, an organization like UNICEF should be working on what the “people” are “expressing”, and not on real problems, real facts, and stuff that can be proven harm to children.
I mean, really Mrs Chan, if you wanna do something about cases of child abuse cases, what the fuck are you doing on countries like Japan?
Go to Africa or Middle Eastern countries.
Oh, and please do take a bomb up your ass while there.
I wouldn’t have asked her to put a bomb up her ass <_<…
There are other areas which could use a trinitrotoluene enema. ;)
Crimany, this shit’s more annoying then PETA.
PETA fuck animal so
UNICEF fuck ???
Unicef needs to chill out. If they want to ban something ban guro/scat. Thats like a bajillion times worse then loli
STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MAH LOLIS >_>
Unicef, go fap. Really.
ha ha sucks for you guys i dont even like loli!
BUT IT STILL BLOWS.
I not for loli but UNICEF can burn for all I care.
These histrionic saps are too impulsive to actually think the situation through. What was the problem with CP again….hmmm….naked children? ….WRONG!
The problem is that children are ACTUALLY involved in the creation! REAL children get NAKED.
They’re just picking of a minority, because godforbidriskanythinghappeningtotheirpreciouschildren. Piss off and grow a decent pair of bullocks.
What I don’t get is why enforce your own morality on others? So that everyone’s the same and you feel better about yourself? I’m betting that most of these UNICEF pricks are insecure about themselves and act it out by attacking those that are different. The only major difference about these specific pricks in comparison to the others are that they’ve got an organization behind them.
I propose someone to go to the entrance of the next Comiket and ask for signatures for a petition of our own, like the previous poster mentioned. Maybe we should start an otaku-based organization as well, so that we can combat any future threats by the tyrannical UNICEF. Without one, I don’t see lolicon culture surviving for many more years at this rate.
With the sheer number of crazy otaku t their we could probably take over the world while at it. But in all seriousness (that was only semi) why the hell do they care i mean seriously just fuck off also yes we eed to make a otaku interest group of our own dedicated to keeping anime and hentai alive for all time (or at leqast as long as the human race shall exist).
OTAKU BANZAI!
This again… They can’t deal with their own problems so they deal with something else so people would think they’re doing something…
That UNICEF lady should get raped so she’ll see that not all rapists are into lolis and are definitely not anime fans…
Besides… Anime fans are more refined… They love lolis why would they rape them…
I don’t get it; no people are being harmed, so why the fuss? Is it because it “might incite” such an act? Well that’s kinda the price of freedom of expression. Everything might incite some nasty things: from snuff movies to holy scriptures.
Personally I was never into this loli thing. (At least sexually — most people think cats are cute but that doesn’t make them engage in bestiality) But I somehow understand the frustration of you guys.
Even despite that fact that free expression can incite certain actions generally pornography leads to lower rape statistics. There was a post here not too long ago that took references through 2chan that illustrated that fact quite well, even specifically in regards to loli images.
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Why don’t they(UNICEF) just focus on feeding and taking care of the children on those places that they are need (ie Africa, South America and other third world countries) rather than banning things that really don’t do any harm.
Why just reading Loli manga does mean raping children after reading one? yes there are maybe some few incidents regarding this matter but I think UNICEF should focus on kids that are in danger in getting Killed in Gaza.
Gaza lol’d ..
It’s kind of amusing how fast the rage replies appeared in the comments.
UNICHEF FTL!!
yeah, prohibition didn’t work either
There is no direct connection to loli stuff to actual raping of a child. Where do they get this stuff? Where’s the evidence? Child Porn has BEEN OUT for the longest. Well before Loli manga and such.
If that’s the case why don’t they go after the banning of violent video games?
You mean to tell me that a person that possess a Loli manga will go out and rape a child. But if a person owns a video game like Grand Theft Auto that the person will NOT go out and do what’s shown in the video game?
Lol they’re trying to ban violent video games all the time. There’s always some fuckwit organization trying to get media attention everytime a new GTA comes out.
And yes, that’s exactly what they want people to believe. That if you play a video game where violence occurs, you OBVIOUSLY don’t have the common sense to realize that it’s a video game, and not real life.
Agnes Chan?
“In 1986, Chan married her former manager, Tsutomu Kaneko, and gave birth to her eldest son in Canada. After returning to Japan the following year, she began bringing her infant son to the workplace. This was seen as highly controversial (”Agnes” became something of a buzzword in Japan) and raised the question of a mother’s place in the working world.”
“In October, 2007 it was reported that Chan had undergone surgery for breast cancer in a Tokyo Hospital, and is expected to make a full recovery.”
UNICEF demands tighter loli ban? I demand tighter lolis. The last one I had got really loose after a while.
Maybe Ms. Chan is too used to censorship in China that she doesn’t realize that it doesn’t work. It is a placebo to hide things they don’t like so these people can pretend they live in a world that revolves around themselves and their particular flavor of morals and tastes.
They used to argue that they go after real child porn to protect the real children. Since that argument falls flat when trying to ban drawings (except in Australia, where they consider drawings the same as real people (although not for drawings of murder, since they haven’t charged any drawings with murder… yet)), they try to make links to real assaults on children as being a case of this ‘virtual child porn’.
Of course, that falls apart when you see how much lower the assault rate on children in Japan is compared to other countries. If anime and manga with young characters in sexual situations was so bad, there’d be roaming bands of child rape gangs in Japan.
You’ll notice that they still haven’t tried to ban the bible or shut down the Catholic church yet. There’s been much more child sexual abuse tied to that book and organization than anime/manga. So the bible must lead to pedophilia!!
Ms. Chan should also look at at her own China, which has issues with infanticide, child labor, and shoddy schools that have killed many more children than anime/manga will ever.
if any one has something else to say please e-mail me i want to discuss this topics and open a forum exclusively to talk about UNICEF vs lolicon.
i belive that if we dont make the difference at least we can prepare for the worst.
si alguno de ustedes tiene algo mas que decir porfavor mandenme un e-mail, me gustaria discutir estos temas y abrir un foro exclusivamente para ablar de UNICEF vs lolicon.
Yo creo que si hacemos la diferencia al menos podemos prepararnos para lo peor.
abhayasasaki@gmail.com
You’re quite welcome to discuss the matter on the forums here:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/
In fact, there is already some discussion:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=150
It’s a bad joke on how such organisations are formed so they can afford to do less fruitful actions instead of utilising more resources to do something more benefitcal for the said… cause of their little therapy groups (not that all of them are a necessity for this era anyway, a good waste of money in fact). After that they all crash themselves in a bar and said they did a job well done and help themselves to more gullible people’s money.
That said, and to think that they have THAT much authority and power as the government bodies, ( like malaysia who just can’t help interfering with foreign affairs while being HELPLESS to solve their own home affairs or its neighbour down below who can’t hold a hi-profile VIP despite being paid millions of tax payers money), is asking to be “AKUMETSU”.
How about Poddadabobob, non existant creature that threatened by human?
Like a loli that doesnt exist, this non-existent creature was violated everyday,but UN doesnt do anything!
If you want to save non-existant children, save non-existant Poddabob too!!
If the UN logic correct, everyone can be arrested for imaginary victim!
God damn it lady, stop making chinese people look bad. I for one disagree with the whole idea of banning lolicon, WHY THE FUCK is she messing around of all places in Japan (which already has a very low crime rate) instead of places like AFRICA or even GAZA, where ACTUAL YOUNG CHILDREN ARE DYING.
Hell, I find it offensive (chid abuse anyone?) for the protesters waving around banners of dead/decapitated children in their protest against the war. So what? It’s okay to show dead children? But bad to rape fake children?
the mail to this propouse is abhayasasaki@gmail.com
I think all of the world’s laws would be simplified if we just considered victims in every case. No real life victim? No problem.
That’d be too logical, and a lot of people would feel uncomfortable, so we can’t do that.
she’s just jealous coz she’s an old washed-up hag instead of a sexy young woman and men aren’t interested in her anymore…
Cristopher, I agree with you. Partially, that is…I’d say anyone around 12 or over can decide for themselves if they want to do anything sexual…anyone below should also be able to if their parents agree to it. Not that anyone below 12 can do anything without their parents permission anyway, so it’s not that big of a restriction.
However not allowing them to do it at all has a very serious side effect. They might think sex is a bad thing (much like alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc…) because they are not allowed to do it. How you see the world is heaviest affected around that age, and if someone tell you you can’t do it because it’s bad (It must be bad, if you can’t do it, there would be no reason to ban something unless it’s bad for you, right?), you might end up thinking that sex is bad for your entire life (at least subconsciously) and never get a normal relationship. It also increases the chance to develop strange fetishes or perversions, as you need something to replace sex because you still have sexual energy, but no place to direct it to.
Besides, more freedom to children, I agree. Not just for this matter, they should also be allowed to decide what they want to learn in school (Other than stuff absolutely necessary like writing,basic math etc, those should remain compulsory, but in the current education we waste many years of every child’s life to make them learn stuff they forget a week after the exams…not to mention the wasted amount of money for education)
Also consider the fact that humans are biologically ready for sex around the age of 11-12. So 18 is very unreasonable.
You have your head so far up your ass that you can’t see daylight. I hope you never have children, for their sake.
Way to reply with a logical counter-point bro.
You totally showed him the error of his ways.
lol
Truth be told there should be an IQ test moreso than just age before people have sex. Stupidity knows no age.
>Stupidity knows no age.<
Truer words are hard to find. bravo.
Worst part of all this is, that the people who mostly are out to protect and help children are sexual offenders themselves or think that way. They’re a bunch of freaks kinda like the PETA People, I wonder how many of them actually drink breast milk and don’t eat meat. Freaks.
If UNICEF just stuck to banning real life child pornography, then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But when they go into things like banning loli manga or anime it just gets ridiculous.
Discuss here:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=150
This is just getting ridiculous. Honestly, do they even have proof of Loli causing rape or any intiative following child abuse? We should introduce these nutcases to some ‘Christians’ in the States, I’m sure they’ll have lots of things in common. Like ‘Let’s parole our morals and beliefs into people who we don’t like. Even though we have no evidence, proof, correlation of anything to back up what we say!’
Ex Rage Mode ON! 1st it was Jack Thompson and his Violent Video Games, the guy who petitioned to ban Anime because it’s ‘EVIL’, now it’s bloody UNICEF. Just go stick a Razor Blade up your asses and go back to School you ignorant fudge packers. Shoving the crap that comes out of your mouth at others with no facts but opinions and narrowminded beliefs shows how bloody arrogant and idiotic you are. UNICEF go to Brazil, or as someone said above, Gaza or back to Africa and acutally help REAL children who are actually suffering and in need of help, instead of chasing an assumption that liking of Loli or an image depiction of non-existant imaginary loli characters causes people to become Rapists, Child Abusers or Pedo’s. UNICEF your arugements to support your claims or policies are as valid as Games/Movies causes people to imitate such actions. Dam Moral Hypocritical Zealots, christ it’s not bloody rocket science, try I don’t know, actually parenting properly instead blaming everything else (i.e. Government, Media, Schools etc..). Also go hang yourself Jack Thompson…Ex Rage Mode off.
UNICEF: What a bunch of cunts.
Seriously, they epitomise all that’s wrong with modern society. A wave of rabid moralising approaches.
They epitomize all that is wrong with all society. And that is that humans make it up. We are a sorry race of creatures whom isn’t satisfied until we exert some power or control over something. It just so happens those that want to be in places like UNICEF have moralistic reasons as opposed to the governing bodies that want money or to put the shaft to the general populace.
why the hell is UNICEF messing with manga? I used to trick or treat for them… but no longer.
I think loli anime is fine. It’s not my taste, but neither are fantasies about rape, torture, etc. that some people enjoy. If they like it, and it harms no one, then let them enjoy it.
I don’t think you can attribute loli anime with pediophilia, actually I think you can make a strong argument that it’s a bit of deterrent. Many otaku, as been proven here on this site time and time again, prefer 2D pictures over 3D. Not all of them of course, but this preference surfaces enough to convince me that the causality argument bandied about by Unicef is without merit or at least should be scrutinized and not taken at mere face value.
Unicef is actually a fine organization that has done many wonderful things. They should pour their efforts into their field work and leave matters of social policy, where they have no history of expertise, alone.
It pisses me off when ever I hear about these type of people asking for a heavier sentence for these type of “crimes” when really we should be asking for lighter sentences with heavier rehabilitation.
Oh yeah I forgot “would somebody please think of the children”.
I can just see it: “WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” “Can’t, it’s *illegal*.”
But anyway, I’m totally against this ban.
I’m all for anything that’ll protect the innocence of REAL children, but this’ll have no effect on that at all, and is only really being put forward because people (worldwide) are prudes and idiots.
So much for “freedom of expression”, eh?
So what’ll happen to the likes of Pantsu Witches, or Lolihime Musuo,… or… *gasp* Kojikan? First loli and then shota,… Kanokon?
You forgot Ero no Tsukaima. ;)
id just like to comment that, 2D > 3D. My tastes between the two are completely different anyways.
Grats to UNICEF to protecting the imaginary.
It’s time to bomb UNICEF before it’s too late. Who’s with me?
I’d just like to point out that there is a correlation between violence on television and in video games and actual violent acts committed.
The same is probably true for lolicon manga. The more one is exposed to something the more desensitized one becomes towards it.
So can being overexposed to lolicon manga turn you into a pedophile? Probably. Although correlation doesn’t prove causation, so that can’t exactly be proven. Ever.
Still doesn’t mean UNICEF should go out of its way to ban lolicon manga instead of feeding sick children, as many people here have said.
Freedom of expression is important, but of course, like all things, it comes at a price. Freedom is never free.
Indeed, but translating that into concrete legislation is too far fetched, thought crime is what a police state is made of. As far as a modern liberal democracy is concerned, the definition of harm is highly evidential. It’s too easy to go down the slippery slope of totalitarianism in the name of “protection” and “prevention”, tricking people into a siege mentality. Think about the wars, the PATRIOT Act, how we were honed in approving draconian measure in the name of righteousness. But righteousness is never the one in question, but how we should act on what is right. Most of us agree we must do something to protect children and the consensus here is, banning loli not only fails at protecting children but also infringes on civil liberty. It’s double fail and Unicef should get real instead of continuing its futile fanaticism.
I wonder how many kids in African Unicef could have helped with the expenses Mrs Chan has incurred on her trip to Japan =)
what to do, Agnes jealous cos every male look at younger girl and don`t even bother to give her a single glare lol.
so she pissed off XD
as long she not messing with 2d loli i guess she still safe, otherwise i don`t think she can walk alone in the street lol.
but seriously ,after they mess enough with 3d they surely mess with 2d also. it just a matter of time
WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASEEEE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!….err…THE IMAGINARY CHILDREN!!
Lets ignore the problems with the world and instead focus on people who have fetishes for 2 dimensional girls :D
/sarcasm
So laws protecting imaginary children from imaginary rape is more important than helping malnourished children and real children suffering from real pedophiles and real child pornography? Some one should give UNICEF and that Chinese dude a medal for the most flawless logic ever in human history.
THAT IS RETARDED!
Why so serious? about non-existent kids.
scarryy
unicef needs to focus on humanitarian aid and charity work, not shoving neo-conservative christian morals down the collective world’s throat.
Maybe UNICEF staffs should start to watch loli animu. And I’ll just wait for their pedo reaction.
THe japanese gov can just as easily shut off their ears like how the Israelis are doing in Gaza. Meh… ignorance is bliss for me in this situation.
Sorry UNICEF, you have NO clout whatsoever to make demands.
In Gaza there are lots of children suffering, please ignore this long term effect hazard and take care the urgent problem first UNICEF. I mean those children in Gaza need urgent attention (they might die anytime), but the other children that they point out aint gonna die anytime soon!
Seeing the ton of responses in this thread, I can’t help but say that nothing will come from just talking. Someone should stand up and do something about this.
My opinions:
http://actar.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/age-look-and-loli/
/r/ Rule 34 on Agnes Chan.
I bet there are more than 114,624 that would sign their signature to tell UNICEF to buzz off.
One Anonymous here mentioned something about children not having the proper sexual equipment before they hit puberty and can start producing sperm and what not. You also mentioned that children aren’t mature enough to make their own decisions and that they see all grownups as authoritative figures.
Your argument are as weak as they are uniformed.
1. There have been cases where boys as young as 4 year olds produce sperm and girls as young as 10 years old could actually get pregnant. If you define a persons legality to participate in sexual acts by their hormones, then by that definition it wouldn’t be wrong for these children to have sex no?
2. Ah but what about children being small? Well not all children are THAT small… and what about Dwarfs? should having sex with a dwarf be illegal because they are tiny?
3. It’s all about the maturity and mind you respond with. But if that is true, what about retards? or just stupid bimbos/idiots? Some people never grow up, should we govern people and tell them what they can and can’t do just because we don’t trust them?
I am not saying that Pedophilia is right, but your argument against it is easily picked apart. Because in the end your only real argument against pedophilia is: “IT IS WRONG BECAUSE I THINK IT IS WRONG!!”
There is absolutely no argument you can present that can make pedophilia look like a sick or twisted thing if you look at it from a strictly logical point of view. All your reasons are based on “moral” “ethics” and “laws”. And “MAL” is a social construct and has no real place in a thinking evolving society.
Forcing ANYONE to do anything against their will however is wrong, and todays children can forced to do things against their own will. But then we aren’t talking about Pedophilia anymore but rather robbing somebody of their freedom. What we need is not laws to stop all the pedophiles from abusing children, we need people to start raising their children better. Laws against abducting people and raping them are sufficient against people that abduct and rape children. We don’t need special laws to deal with people tat have that taste. It would be like having special rape laws for black people or for men that are raped or blind people and so on.
So if an uncle molests your daughter/son, then if you had educated you kid it could have screamed and said no. And if it had been to afraid to do it, it could have told you afterwards because it knew what it’s uncle had done to it, and the uncle could have his ass sent to jail for rape. It’s that simple.
Now as for you lazy Internet fucks that sit here going gaga over this petition or whatever. If yo don’t like it, then go ahead and try getting a petition. But think about it for a second, you really think you would be successful? With Pedophilia being frowned upon by the public eye, you really think all that many people would even dare to put their real names on something that could very likely end them all in jail? And if you did get people to sign this petition and you sent it to the authorities… wouldn’t that be the most lulzy joke of them all? In this climate instead of getting a debate, all those people would be branded criminals. Some would go to jail and the other people would be constantly put on surveillance, maybe lose their jobs and all their friends and family would be shamed if their names got out.
If you really want to fight, start taking this shit to court. You will probably lose your jobs and most o you go to jail, but unless you fight publicly and prove that you are all willing to go to jail for your beliefs, then nobody will ever listen to you. O course I’d wager that even if you did go to court and you somehow managed to be successful, it would take at least 80+ years for you to change any part of the public opinion.
Ironically much of the blame for this can be found in the Asian countries where the laws are now trying to force itself onto. Look at Taiwan and fucking Bangkok. All the children being raped and forced into child prostitution. So many pedophiles go to these countries to live out their fantasies… and in doing so they are contributing to the public opinion. Nobody wants what is happening in fucking Thailand or Taiwan!
So there you have it. There’s my advice for both sides.
My advice for those against Pedophilia: Start thinking for yourself you stupid fucks
My advice for those that like Pedophilia: Stop being such fuckups you stupid fucks!
You should try to be more consistent when you are trolling.
First you are telling people that they need to think for themselves rather than following the general opinion, and then you generalize everyone as pedophile hater and discredit their opinions with a bunch of loosely linked facts.
Society is not always right, and yes, people often do not think before accepting the “common truth”. But even then, denying someone’s opinion because you view it a biased by society is dumb an unethical. Not even Heidegger would go that far, even through a good deal of his work is related this relationship between individual and society.
Take away my loli’s and i will gun down a school or worse get a real loli
ITT: lots of Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world. Hell, probably nothing outside their own town. You know, there is a whole world outside of America. A world where the AOC isn’t 18 (actually, it’s lower than 18 in a lot of US states, but you wouldn’t know that, of course). It’s 13 in Spain, so does that make the Spanish a bunch of sick fucks? How about Italy and lots of other countries where it’s 14? Are they all sick fucks too? Oh, and don’t forget Mexico. Did you know a 16yo US citizen can cross the border into Mexico and legally have sex with a 12yo (under both US and Mexican law)? No, of course you didn’t.
You probably didn’t know too that “childhood” as we now know it was invented by the Victorians, and was a byproduct of the Industrial Revolution. It’s only because of the wealth that industrialisation brought to the middle classes that their kids could actually sit around all day and learn or play instead of going out and earning a living. Before then, there was really no such thing as “childhood”. But now we’ve turned our children into gods, and nothing is safe - no liberty, no thought, no action - that might in any way harm even one hair of their precious little heads. And of course, governments the world over know this. So, they now have two big sticks to beat our freedoms over the head with, the fear of terrorism, which is already leading to some frightening curbs on basic liberties, and the fear that someone might hurt our children. You know what? Children will never be “safe”. I have two kids myself, and I know what it’s like to see them go out the door and wonder if they’ll come back. But that’s the price you pay for having them. You can’t bundle them up in a big blanket and protect them from the world, and you do them a big disservice by trying to do it. Otherwise, they’ll definitely never grow up.
Chicks on anime on Animenewsnetwork
*beats down..er…back..er…whips…no that wont work…flogs? ya lets go with that*
Where was I…
Chicks on anime on Animenewsnetwork
*FLOGS BACK the perverts*
Is having a interesting discussion on censorship anyway heres my thoughts, if propaganda, racist and other questionable thought in fiction is allowable then why is it the end of the world when you mix kids and sex?
Hell kids are anyone under 25 for Christ sake as new adults are still immature.
Like major populations in or around modern human society are really that mature by general population volume…
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I dunno whos worse children(young,mean,annoying,selfish…like the adult version only smaller and more mind fckingly retarded….) or the moralist’s(like a child but naive,mean,annoying,selfish…like the adult version only larger ego and more mind fckingly retarded…) that want to ban the world for them(think of teh childerns…)…. 0-o
obviously,., any otaku in the world would not donate anything to their organization(UNICEF) because of what they have done. more likely,, they will boycott them. who spends on unicef anyway?
agreed Unicef is a poorly formed and fucked up organization of the ancient generation of brainless adults who’s better off fucking their selves than meddling in Japan laws against pornographic industry
some how i feel like saying this ‘go fuck yourself Unicef and fuck off’
This is just too fucked up…..
tl;dr
I’m starting to agree, I’ve only reached this post after more than 30 mins and now my eyes sting. Some posted some really really tl;dr worthy comments.