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2004-10-09legal issues update draft 1

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tomos/Legal_discussions_on_Japanese_Wikipedia

Tomos さん、5/11-21 Legal issues uodates

概況:前回からの変化

10/07/'04 #ja.wikipedia(名前出されると嫌な人はコメント欄および某所でお願いします。でも直すのは来週になってから。すまそ)。

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「反対があるにもかかわらず削除する場合とは」

commented by kzhr, Suisui, KMT and Tietew

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チェックしてくれるヒマ人集合! 遺漏がないかご指摘の上、ご自分の日記ないし当ページコメント欄にご指摘を下さい。

The purpose and characteristic of this report このエントリーを含むブックマーク

In coordination with ja Wikipedians, I provide the board with a report of current legal issues on Japanese projects.

I am not a juristic professional nor law school student, my usage of words in the below might be inaccurate or inappropriate in many points. Neither I am not a representative of Japanese project in any meaning, I summarize here current situation on ja as an individual user, trying to describe the matters in NPOV although. Suisui (and Tomos) contribute to this report, and their reports are written in same qualification.

Every part of this report has the signature of its reporter at the end. If the original is written in Japanese, signatures show its original author and translator.


General Background このエントリーを含むブックマーク

This year we have now no legal issues or troubles on any other Japanese projects than Wikipedia (except Wiktionary deletion issue on June, see the below #Legal issues related to ja in 2004).

Situation on ja.wp has not changed from Tomos report on May (User:Tomos/Legal_discussions_on_Japanese_Wikipedia) basically. On processing deletion and blocking/banning the basis of juristic analysis are same, but recently the growth of users has reflected to the current situation. Here I point out some changes.

Decision on deletion and blocking/banning were formerly on full concensus, but now are based on rough consensus. Today it is difficult for ja.wp to reach the full consensus because of its huge population of registered users, although most of decision are made based on full consensus in fact and the request for cancellation of decision are rare in case there were opposite parties.

Certain contributers assert the deletion should be (or is expected to) noticed to the original contributors, in addition to thier agreement in advance at the time their submission. This opinion is partly based on a view of courtesy but also on the legal aspect in relation to a Japanese law, Law of Providers' Responsibility or shortly ISP Law(see the below, #Deletion and ISP Law).

Introduction of ''Terms of Use" which will be applied only to Japanese Wikipedia was proposed in February 2004, when there was no other Japanese project within Wikimedia. The proposed draft of Terms of Use was written in Japanese and discussed during February and March mainly. But the discussion is ceised after then it is still a draft. That draft is linked from MediaWiki:Lastupdate but seldom refered in the community. There is no possibility of further discussion on Terms of Use now. Other Japanese projects have no such discussion on making their own Terms of Use or shared with other projects.

(Aphaia)

Deletion and ISP Law このエントリーを含むブックマーク

On ja every contributor is expected to read the notices below the edit window including they are consider to give the project full agreement for the possible deletion of their contribution whenever they submit. On the other hand in Japan, Law Concerning Limitation of Damages to Specific Telecommunications Service Provider and Disclosure of Sender Information, so-called ISP Law states that each deletion by the provider against the will of the user who submitted the content is relieved of their resposnsibilities of any compensation for the user concerned with notice 7 days before the deletion, if the deletion is requested by a third party because of legal violation (e.g. copyright). It has been argued if such notice to a certain user is necessary or not, specially the users themselves disagree with the deletion of their submission. In particular this argument has arisen in case users complaint such deletion has no appropriate reason and violates therefore their own right (freedom of expression?) or honor. (Aphaia)

Legal issues related to ja in 2004 このエントリーを含むブックマーク

Until Oct 7 there have been several legal issues on ja, some have already been resolved, others are going-on or uncertain if they are resolved. In this section brief information on each issue is found successively by date. Usernames are only showed for on-going issues. (Aphaia)

Apparently Resolved

Suisui will provide details to the board on two issues in another mail. Here I mentioned only when they happened

  1. Dec, 2003 - resolved in the early 2004
  2. Wiktionary deletion; May, 2004 - resolved on June.

Going-on issues or uncertain if resolved

  1. Apr. 2004 Dolfin vs Wikimedia Foundation or "Japanese Wikipedia"
  2. Jun. 2004 K.M. vs "Wikipedia Japan"(sic) warned in http://taurus.kake.info.waseda.ac.jp/wikip/joyful/joyful.u.cgi?mode=res&no=1715
  3. Sep. 2004 百楽天 vs uncertain in the text; the admin of the BBS (running by an reigistered user of ja)? warind in http://taurus.kake.info.waseda.ac.jp/wikip/joyful/joyful.u.cgi?mode=res&no=2713

終わった…… 01:40 このエントリーを含むブックマーク

というわけで連休はウィキブレイクの予定。

it と simple と ja でちょっとずつ記事を書いてきた。

mulukhiyyamulukhiyya2004/10/08 18:48おつかれです。私もここぞと奮起し、ばっちり精根をこめてスペルチェッカにかけました(なんちゃって)。ぐぐると出てくる http://www.spellcheck.net/ など使えそかと(思たのですがまた空気読めてないかも((((((;゚Д゚)))))))! uodates / refered thier ceised cooridination reigistered resposnsibilities / substancially lebel reigistered christianity pape infuenced Chrisitian recieved warind Christinity

gleamgleam2004/10/10 00:56お疲れ様です。散発的にこの件のmlポストとIRCとRCには目を通しているものの、まとまった議論ができるほど脳みそに余裕が無く…と言い訳するのはたやすいのですが、本当に頭があがりません。

2004-10-08legal issues update draft 2

Legal issues related to ja in 2004 このエントリーを含むブックマーク

Going-on issues or uncertain if resolved

  1. Apr. 2004 Dolfin vs Wikimedia Foundation or "Japanese Wikipedia"
  2. Jun. 2004 K.M. vs "Wikipedia Japan"(sic) warned in http://taurus.kake.info.waseda.ac.jp/wikip/joyful/joyful.u.cgi?mode=res&no=1715
  3. Sep. 2004 百楽天 vs uncertain in the text; the admin of the BBS (running by an reigistered user of ja)? warind in http://taurus.kake.info.waseda.ac.jp/wikip/joyful/joyful.u.cgi?mode=res&no=2713

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K.M. vs "Wikipedia Japan"(sic) このエントリーを含むブックマーク

Status
Dormant
Period
Uncertain; at least from February 2004

Major disputes:

  1. Is deletion of articles libel to a certain organisation or not?
  2. Are POV articles libel to a certain organisation or not?
  3. Is page protection libel or not?
  4. Will K.M. have any benefits from the above accusations?

Background このエントリーを含むブックマーク

K.M. is a registered user on Japanese and English Wikipedia, and has been banned on Japanese Wikipedia since April 2004.

K.M. was a industrious contributor on Japanese Wikipedia, related to the Bible and Christianity.

According to K.M.'s user page, K.M. is a faithful of Jehovah's Witnesses, Chrisitian or Christianity-influenced denomination. Except this, his identification is unclear.

Since the late of 2003 it has been pointed out that K.M.'s articles were on the point of the view of Jehovah's Witnesses strongly and some Wikipedians suspected if these articles violated their publifications.

In the early of February 2004, some of his articles was apparently pointed ouf as copyright and licence violation of Jehovah's Witnesses publification. but K.M. insisted they were original and had no relation between the denomination's publifications. K.M. didn't admit those copyright violation, and after their deletion, sh/e claimed those deletions challenged to the freedom of expression and belief in a BBS serving ja.wp, and Arbitration page on en.wp. Besides that, K.M. has disputed with other contributors how doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses should be placed among the description of Christianity in general. From both sides K.M. caused edit wars, it brought up a request for his blocking on March.

On March some of his contributions began to be listed on the Request for deletion page, too. K.M. erased sometimes other contributors' comment supporting deletion. Finally he was blocked indefinitely because of those erasions (it is a legitimate reason of blocking on Japanese Wikipedia). and opened a channel to discuss his blocking on the Idobata BBS (Village Pump BBS) which an Wikipedian run voluntarily.

Later two faithfuls pointed out closely identification of K.M.'s contributions' and denominaition's publifications, and requested for deletion of those articles. Those articles were deleted because of copyright violation.

  • Warn

http://taurus.kake.info.waseda.ac.jp/wikip/joyful/joyful.u.cgi?mode=res&no=1715

On 6/8 K.M. (or a person under his name) posted a warning of accusation to Wikipedia Japan (sic) because of libel. The post of K.M. pointed out three points who K.M. considered as libel; ''unjust'' deletion of his/her articles, ''POV'' on some christianity-related articles (the meaning of this statement is uncertain) and page protections of those articles.

私の記事の不当な削除、十字架?、復活祭?、キリスト教系の新宗教?での偏向な内容(POV)の記事記載&管理人による不当ページ保護が続いているようですので、名誉毀損でWikipedia Japanを告発する。

Because of two reasons this warning seems to be ineffective, according to some Wikipedians. First, it is uncertain what meant there ''Wikipedia Japan''; if it was intended ''Japanese Wikipedia'', according to the Japanese law, it has no legal subject; it is not even ''organisation without regal rights'', so hard to be an opponent side of a suit. Second, on those points s/he referred, it was unclear "to whom" the lebel has be done. Unless K.M. is an agent of Jehovah's Witnesses, libel to J.W. (as organisation) is not a libel to K.M. as individual. In Japanese law a suit on libel is processed only based on request of interested party, it is therefore doubtful if his accusation would be processed to a suit. On the other hand K.M. stated these were libels to the denomination, not to him.

Discussion on this issues continued to 6/11 substantially. It is uncertain if K.M. has done any other activities related to this matter.

[] 軍団を返せ このエントリーを含むブックマーク

ja.wp は最近ほとんどみるひまがなかったのだ、このレポートのおかげで毒電波*1を集中して浴びてきました。さすがにこたえた。

昨日ひさびさにまともな編集(非草取り)をしたが、やはりそれでは足りない模様。#wikipedia での会話。

<Alminius> hi britty

<britty> '''Arminius''' rex Germanorum erat.

- britty edited only once in this week

<sj> hey

<sj> that's the start!

<sj> and make a S L O W edit war on la.

……案外楽しいかも(爆

トイトブルクの記事でも書こうかな……

*1:POV.

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2004-10-07legal issues update draft

[] #wikimedia このエントリーを含むブックマーク

  • Ang絶不調。肩が動かせない、これ以上ひどくなる前に今日は wikibreak といって落ちる。
  • elian も病院。
  • TimStarling がタスマニアから帰って来た。22:30 JSTごろ? タスマニアの首都 Haburt は17万人。ふーん。
  • そんなに寒くないらしい。観光シーズン(夏、つまりこれから)でないのですいていた。山には車でのぼったよし。
  • 日本人交換留学生@高校と日本料理。牛肉を叩けといったら担任がフードプロセッサにかけたので「何をするー」。しかしみなは funny accent に笑い転げたそうです。まあ子どもだからな。。それから日本食の話。緑茶が飲めないそうだ。
  • jwales。ワルシャワは来週から(日曜から)。奥さんのお母さんが日本人なので、日本食はしょっちゅう家ででるそうです。Kira(一人娘。三歳)は「僕らが許したら、枝豆(edamame)だけで生きていくのではないだろうか」。子どもの偏食ってやつでしょうか。私の姪もそのくらいの年には「豆子ちゃん」で煮豆ばかり食べてました。

と病がちの人を除けば今宵はまったりした #wikimedia(まあ、そもそも荒れるところではないが)。全体に事務話が多いのですが(当たり前)、Timのおかげで今夜は文字通り chat 状態でした。またーり。

[] most frequently edited articles このエントリーを含むブックマーク

#wikimedia

<kturner> | old_namespace | old_title | number_of_edits |

<kturner> +---------------+----------------+-----------------+

<kturner> | 0 | October_2003 | 5007 |

<kturner> | 0 | George_W._Bush | 3953 |

<kturner> | 0 | Main_Page | 3432 |

<kturner> | 0 | John_Kerry | 3230 |

<kturner> | 0 | Sexual_slang | 1874 |

<kturner> | 0 | Jesus | 1855 |

<kturner> | 0 | Jew | 1634 |

<kturner> | 0 | Adolf_Hitler | 1623 |

<kturner> | 0 | Recent_deaths | 1547 |

<kturner> | 0 | Saddam_Hussein | 1547 |

<jwales> Thanks!

<TimStarling> in case anyone was curious like me...

<TimStarling> mysql> select old_namespace,old_title,count(*) as number_of_edits from old use index(name_title_timestamp) where old_namespace=4 group by old_namespace,old_title order by number_of_edits desc limit 10;

<TimStarling> +---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----------------+

<TimStarling> | old_namespace | old_title | number_of_edits |

<TimStarling> +---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----------------+

<TimStarling> | 4 | Votes_for_deletion_archive_May_2004 | 40239 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Village_pump_archive_2004-09-26 | 22865 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Cleanup | 14509 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Requests_for_adminship | 12658 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Votes_for_deletion_archive_September_2004 | 9427 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Copyright_problems | 9115 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Featured_article_candidates | 9067 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Reference_desk | 6594 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Requested_articles | 5448 |

<TimStarling> | 4 | Vandalism_in_progress/History | 4701 |

<TimStarling> +---------------+-------------------------------------------+-----------------+