Why Baby, Why?
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PROMOS:
See the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter") for details about the following - scroll down to the Promo section:
- Zan is now offering an exclusive $50 discount to all of Cliff's List subscribers for his new DVD series "The Way of the Natural". In this series, Zan continues his quest to describe the concept of "natural game". We all know men who are at ease in the land of women, who captivate them the moment they enter a room. What qualities do they possess that make these men irresistible to women? What sets them apart from you? More importantly, can it be learned? The answer may surprise you! Please note: this offer will expire on November 30, 2006. To take advantage of this exclusive offer, simply enter discount code ZZB8CDDG when you place an order for Volumes 1-4 through Zan's website at http://www.enlightenedseduction.com - Rion Williams has just launched a new website and training program. This new and controversial approach is that 'inner game' is no longer enough. He offers a way to men who are sick of techniques (and know that it's still only 'acting') to actually 'become' fearless around beauty, women and power. It's unlike anything else in the industry and you can find out more at: http://www.relationaldynamics.org
- Ever read 'The Game'? Remember the parts about 'underground' patterns? Well NOW they have been figured out - find out more info here: http://www.mastermindseduction.com/
- Dr Alex Benzer of the Tao of Dating is holding two f r e e preview calls for his Tao of Persuasion teleseminar series. The course is on general persuasion with an emphasis on dating and business applications. To get call-in information, send a blank email to taoofdating-199783@autocontactor.com.
- Announcing a special seminar event from Dr. Paul of http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm! On Nov. 3rd - 5th Dr. Paul and his team of coaches will be bringing you the best of inner game, field tactics and male psychology in Chicago. Learn every aspect of the patented technology for change, MindOS. Find out the method behind the method, the real science beneath any model of Dating. Know for yourself what works for different men with different women and see exactly where you fit into the mix. Read more at http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm or in the on-line version of this email at http://www.cliffslist.com (click on "Letter" and scroll down), and join Dr. Paul in Chicago November 3rd through 5th!
- Carlos Xuma and Dating Dynamics is looking to expand his seminar and bootcamp programs around the world to provide the best coaching and advice for men looking to better their skills with women. They've already started a new program overseas, and are currently looking at more locations outside Vegas and Chicago. If you or someone you know is interested in the possibility of being an instructor with Carlos and making a difference to the men of the world by teaching REAL Game to guys, send him an email here with your qualifications and background:
http://www.alphaconfidence.com/dating_advice_support_form.html
- Frank B. Kermit (aka Brother Kermit) has released his latest book, Everything Out of Her Mouth is a Test. Buy it at http://www.franktalks.com/frankbooks.html
- Neil Strauss ("Style", author of The Game): Neil is doing a seminar in November, and registration closes next week. You can get info on how to get in at http://www.bookmission.com -- it's a new idea he's doing to promo his graphic novel, How To Make Money Like A Porn Star, a parody that was released this week..
- Jekyll: "The Brotherhood of Change is a meeting point for good men who want to be excellent men. A new approach to seduction, it emphasizes the importance of compassion, honesty and genuine strength of character. We do not seek to be manipulative geniuses. We do not seek to define ourselves by our success with women. We seek to develop the things that are highest and best in humanity, namely kindness, empathy and respect, and couple them with the things that are highest and best in man, namely strength, loyalty and honour. Developing skills of self expression is only as good as the self you wish to express. We develop both. We seek to be amazing men. And as such, as an amazing man, you will incidentally, but inevitably, become irresistible to amazing women.
Join us at http://www.brotherhoodofchange.com "
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Konen:
See Neil Strauss (Style) in New York Magazine article: http://nymag.com/arts/books/reviews/22293/index.html
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Richie Rich:
Building Up Social Circle Hook-Ups and How to Create a Huge Quantity of Quality Girls
Most of my hookups these days have been happening at house/private parties. The great part about this is that most women feel less pressure as to whom they will talk to in this environment. It also helps that I usually know at least half the people at the party; I'm socially proofed. Even when you don't know a lot of people at the party, it’s so easy to ingratiate yourself within the social scene that it appears that you do in fact know everyone.
Another thing I've been doing lately when I'm out is that I will just take girl’s email address under the pretense that I'm going to invite her to a party. The important thing is that if you do take a girl’s email address telling her this, you better follow up with that promise. In other words, if you tell a girl you’re going to invite her to a party and then just invite her out for a drink, you'll lose the girl. However, if you put her in the "FRIEND ZONE" right away and tell her that it would be cool to hang out at your party; she'll be really confused. Most women are expecting a guy just wanting to get into their pants. Once she receives the email about the party her guard will be let down and you’re halfway there.
Now I do have the luxury of being invited to probably 4-6 parties a month, so I've constantly have a venue to invite girls out to. (You too can do this, but that’s another article on how to build a huge social circle.)
What happens at these parties is that they show up and see me talking to a bunch of other hot women. I've already "FRIENDED" before they can give me the 'let’s just be friends' speech. When they walk in, they see that I've got exceptionally high social value (this is something I've created for myself) and usually what happens is that I've got a plethora of HOT girls that I've put into the friend zone. After several months, they inevitably begin to chase after me. It’s a lot of work at first, but it’s like being a sales rep. If you’re good at this, your hookups go on auto-pilot. The other thing is that these girls realize that there’s nothing serious unless I say it’s serious. They all know that I know tons of very attractive women and hang out with them on a regular basis.
Does this hurt instant gratification and one night pulls? Sure it does, but do I end up getting a higher caliber of woman in great quantity in the long run. To me this is like lifting weights and dieting. You go to the gym and diet your ass off for months and slowly but surely you do start seeing serious results.
Most of the time I end up pulling out of these parties because I go out with the mindset of having no attachment to the outcome. I go thinking, "Hey, I'm going to just be a social guy."
Here’s my mindset when I go out with my friends to a club or bar on a Friday night: Go out having no game plan as to what is going to happen that out.
When you meet women, put them in the FRIEND ZONE right away
Make sure to invite both guys and girls to parties (what happens is that 20% of these people will invite me to their parties).
Always have fun.
Be social and talk to everyone.
Hopefully you got some value you out of article and can see that if you’re willing to work at building your social network and not always immediately go for the lay; your results will increase ten fold.
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GT:
Love Gurus are due for increased business ($$$), countering this kind of
trend (Japan News URL at end):
"More recently, though, Japan has also been swept up in the whirlwind of a
"pure," or true love boom, the weekly says, adding that it's probably the
result of more guys obeying whatever women tell them to do.
"Recently, there have been more guys who make masochistic statements.
Actions that would once have been regarded as girly are common and men find
life easier if they do what women want," columnist Asato Izumi tells Weekly
Playboy. "We're living in an age where it's better off for men if they
choose to live like masochists."
The weakening of Japanese males has been accompanied by women becoming
increasingly assertive to create something of a balance."Nowadays, it's
impossible to get married unless you're rich. A guy with no money has no
hope of marrying. Look at marriage statistics by income and what I'm saying
becomes crystal clear. We have a reality where a part-time worker making 1
million yen a year simply can't afford to get married," economic journalist
Takuro Morinaga tells Weekly Playboy. "The upshot of all this is that
there's been a dramatic increase in the number of people who've simply given
up on women, which is mainly the result of the huge increase in otaku-type
nerds." (By Ryann Connell)
(http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20061011p2g00m0dm016000c.html)
---time to TRANSLATE materials into Japanese!!
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Qubert:
I've noticed a pattern: girls sometimes tell you they have boyfriends long
after first meeting you. They chat you up, they give you their number, you
go hang out with them, and *boom* - "my boyfriend blah blah blah." WTF?
This exact thing happened to me yesterday with a German girl I met last
weekend. It wasn't the first time.
I realized what was going on as I analyzed my relationship with a different
girl. This other girl gave me her number and met me *twice* before she
decided to pursue me. Weeks later, after reassembling various fragments of
conversations, I realized she had had a boyfriend during our initial
meetings. She decided to drop him in order to pursue me.
Obviously, this "just a friend" testing phase is a cover for their checking
out what's available in the marketplace.
#1: If a girl tells you she's got a boyfriend after your first or second
outing together, you've failed to create the level of attraction needed for
her to continue seeing you romantically.
#2: You can prevent the above by asking up front. Give the initial
conversation a few minutes, get an indicator-of-interest, and then:
"Are you one of those girls with a completely lame-o boyfriend that has to
go dancing without him?"
This defines any non-present boyfriend as boring. It shows that you are the
opposite of that (you're out dancing). And it sets up a consistency rule
(if she doesn't have a boyfriend now, she can't have one next week without
appearing flaky).
Like we've all heard before, any good-looking girl will have multiple men in
her life. She'll publicly refer to the non-boyfriends as "friends" even
though they are potential (or actual) romantic relationships. Using the
above will not only eliminate a potential problem, but also help limit your
competition by causing her to define herself as available. Once she's made
the definition, she'll want to stick to it.
If a girl says she's got a boyfriend I'll try something like, "I guess
you're getting a little bored of sitting at home while he's on the computer,
huh?" If she doesn't bite I politely eject and silently thank her for not
wasting my time.
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Linwood:
3 deadly words....
Most guys... when the chick wants out of the relationship... will say
"why baby, why?... Yesterday we made mad passionate love and today you treat
me like a stranger."
I certainly said something like that to my ex-wife. When you say "Why Baby,
Why?" things go down hill from there.
When Homer's wife was packing up her shit to move out... Homer said in a
sweet tone of voice..."Sweetheart, do you want help packing." She said harshly "NO"...
He said, "OK, I'll be in the other room if you need anything." And he was
proud of himself for not getting involved in her hissy fit. And, get this...
he said he was PROUD of her, for being a woman of action... not someone who
wanted to TALK and TALK. (She never finished packing, never moved out and
they never had one serious discussion about it.)
I said, "Wait, Homer, did you say you were PROUD of her for moving out? He
said, YES.
In other words, Homer is a master of REFRAMING. I've never met anyone who
was so in control of himself and his emotions enough not to freak out when
the wife wants out. Man O man... Think about this. Why does it have to be
one way?
REFRAMING: My wife wants out... now I have FREEDOM.
REFRAMING: I don't own her... I'll bet she'll have a bunch of nice, new
experiences. I'm happy for her.
ETC.
One time... I started dating this woman who had a boyfriend. She spent the
night but would not make love with me. We had sex a couple of days earlier,
so I was a little confused. (She was hung up about this boyfriend.) But I
didn't get upset, I just said, "OK, we'll make love in the morning and
rolled over and went to sleep. When I woke up in the wee hours of the
morning, she was gone. What did I care. I saw her a few days later and DID
NOT bust her chops about it... I did NOT say WHY BABY, WHY?
Instead, I just acted like things were perfectly normal between us and
started kissing her. Later, I suggested she move in with me to make her
boyfriend jealous. "Triangles work," I said. She moved in with no strings
attached. I said "just make yourself useful." She lived with me for about 6
months and never once slept in her own bed. Her boyfriend ditched her. I
guess he had no imagination.
That was three years ago, and I'm still seeing her. She still comments about
how I did not bring up that she disappeared in the night. I was happy-- and
my happiness did not depend on her behavior.
On another occasion, she tried to break it off with me... and I did not care
one way or another... but I did make it a point to make sure she saw me with
another woman the very next day. I laughed later when I learned that she called at
least 3 of her friends to say "Can you believe he showed up with another
woman, as if I care." Obviously she did care if she called so many people to
say "Can you believe..."
On another occasion, I did something to piss her off. I forgot what it was
but she called me "a fucking asshole." I did not get upset and try to please
her (why baby, why); instead I called her over to me and bent her over my
knee and spanked her. (I was not mad, but if she's a brat, she needs a
spanking.)
Within minutes she was apologizing and we were making love.
If she breaks a date don't ask WHY?
If she can't see that you're a treasure... what do you care?
Why baby, why should never come out of your mouth again.
Just thinking.
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HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MONTREAL LAIR:
- Lair meetings are scheduled for Sundays at 8 pm and the next Lair meeting will be Sunday November 26th. For more info on joining the Lair (local only, sorry), email me. Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. Thanks to Rhett Butler for his outstanding presentation at our last meeting.
The Lair meetings are very insightful gatherings of guys interested in learning, improving, and helping others to become more successful in their relationships with women. If you are already in a relationship, and you continue to read these emails, you should realize that there is information here to improve and enhance your existing relationship - not only to create new ones.
Here is a list of other Lairs around the world (if you know of any others, please let me know):
MONTREAL JUNIOR LAIR FOUNDED!
Montreal Junior Lair: The Montreal X-Lair has been founded to help minors (who are not permitted to join the Montreal Lair until they are 18) get together and communicate. Lair applications would be sent to MontrealXLair@hotmail.com.
THE TORONTO LAIR
The Toronto Lair is called TSN or Toronto Social.net. Anyone who gets to the homepage at http://www.TorontoSocial.net./ can email the webmaster to get information. If that's not an option, they can call Ike at: 416-628-9973 or his cell at: 416-300-6500.
Vancouver Social Board
A tight and good group of guys from various backgrounds who want to learn how to become better with women. We have two rules 1) this is not a competition, we are here to help each other and 2) you must be willing to try. We go out very regularly and have some skilled guys.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vancouversocialboard/ Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Victoria Social society
This is an open group for all you Victorian men (Victoria, British Columbia, Canada)who wish the study and pursue the art of seduction.
Visit Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victoriasocialsociety/
Contact: Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
Calgary Social Group
This is the Calgary PUA Lair for men (young and old) who want to get together to discuss PU
and go sarging
in Calgary. This group is meant to enrich the lives of men and, I believe ,women indirectly. Everyone can learn and it's only the lack of support and positive influence that cause people to stop trying. Here we can all grow as men and learn the skills we need to accomplish our goals.
Visit Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/calgarysocialgroup/
Contact: Elantraman (elantraman2002@yahoo.com) or Docandwriter (docandwriter@shaw.ca)
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MILWAUKEE:
I am going to be starting a new lair consisting of only the Milwaukee and surrounding areas naturals. I feel like with this caliber of a Lair only success is an option. This is going to be a bunch of guys meeting up sporatically for sarging and for schedualed meetings. If you feel you qualify and can positively impact our group, email me at allimalgam@aol.com .
AUSTRIAN PLAYERS
Home of the legendary EuroSummit 2005, most diverse members from total beginners to serial layers from Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Join us! (If you happen to ravel by, drop us a line!) Visit: http://www.austrianplayers.com Contact: Neodes@austrianplayers.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AMSTERDAM/HOLLAND:
The lair can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amsterdam_Dating/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PORTLAND, MAINE
I'm starting a lair in Portland, Maine so we can truly be "the way life should be"!
Starting with a dozen AFCs & PUA
s and looking to grow and share our skills.
Send email to magickman@maine.rr.com if you wish to join.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MISSISSIPPI/ALABAMA
I'm starting up a lair in MS/AL for anyone in driving distance to the Birmingham area. Contact blake1_19@yahoo.com for anyone interested in joining.
SALT LAKE CITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS
AFCs to PUA
s. Meet and share seduction tips. We meet once a week and help push members to become the man they desire!
Contact UtahX at utahrafc@gmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORFOLK-VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA
I'm interested in starting a Seduction Lair in the Norfolk-Virginia Beach area. If anyone is interested, please email me. Thanks,
Stingray9001 stingray9001@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMED IN DENVER
Denver Lair is a community for Denver/Boulder/Colorado area PUAs to wing
, talk about the game and make friends in the community. If you're in the Colorado, join our yahoo-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/denver_puas/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Hi, I'm starting a lair in Richmond, Virginia, the state capitol with a rather big scene. Currently all gamers in Richmond are forced to go up to DC, or down to North Carolina if they wish to attend a lair meeting. I would like to keep that experience at home, as we have many beautiful women in this wonderful city. Send an email to miikey723@yahoo.com if you wish to join.
EUROPE LAIR FOUNDED
Red Priest has founded the Europe Lair. You can find the description here:
http//groups.yahoo.com/group/europelair/
ISRAEL LAIR:
For the Israel Lair, Tironut 69, go to http://www.tironut69.com
DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND LAIR FORMING
For all you Otago students (or campus orbiters) who think you got game! This will be the southernmost lair in the world. Run by an RAFC with a fair bit of bookwork and small experience- any skill level you want, just prepared to approach, talk and try out new stuff. Email me at beest.goes.roar@gmail.com, and will see if we can't get a local lair started. it's time to bring the game to the deep south!
WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND LAIR:
An active lair is up and running in Wellington, NZ. Primary focus is going out and working in the field. All skill levels are welcome. Anybody who wants to join constructive, like-minded people in persuing the PUA lifestyle. We have a forum, and a bunch of friendly people who can wing
with you to get you off of the ground; email Matt via moxyfmac@gmail.com
TAMPA BAY AND ST. PETE, FLORIDA:
We started a new Lair in the Tampa Bay area. All styles welcome. e-mail us at paradigmaman@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN GENEVA
We want to create a Lair in Geneva, Switzerland. It would be open to French and English speaking people living in Geneva and neighbouring cities like Lausanne and France as well willing to meet and seduce women. All skill levels and ages are accepted. The main task of the Lair will be field experiences on a regular basis. Contact Julien at : Julien72@bluewin.ch
NEW GROUP FOR CHICAGO
Chicago Wingman Meetup Group which currently holds meetings on the first Saturday of every month at 3:00 pm, the place will be disclosed to members once they sign up for the group. The website address is http://wingman.meetup.com/18/ - this group is combining with the Chicago Lair, whose contact was Eric at theprogen2003@yahoo.com Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.fastseduction.com/cities/Chicago
NEW LAIR FOR EDMONTON
*The Mastermind* The Mastermind is a highly exclusive Pick Up Artist Lair. Based out of Edmonton, Canada we assist guys who are serious and motivated to improve their Pick Up Artist game. We’re located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/edpualair/ You can also email: manofadventure@jasons-world.com
SAN RAFAEL, CALIFORNIA
The Seduction Lair is up and running in San Rafael, California. Contact activte@aol.com for more information.
PARIS PICK UP CLUB
Formed by a group of FRIENDLY motivated guys from all nationalities with some solid game. The Paris Pick Up Club (PPC) is where all the PUA's and RAFC
's BROTHERS living in Paris can share experiences, wing
with different people and practice techniques. The goal is to IMPROVE our GAME while having lots of FUN. Since the purpose of the PPC is to practice, in order to join, future members must be available to SARGE
regularly. Contact alfaztec@yahoo.com
BELGIUM: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com
An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NETHERLANDS: NL Lounge at dutchseduction.com An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience. Write to passie at passie@gmail.com Visit our Website: http://www.DutchSeduction.com
NEW LAIR IN NEW ORLEANS
There is a new Lair in New Orleans and here is the info:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewOrleansPlayers/ - MIKEALW@HOTMAIL.COM.
Description: This group is for guys in the New Orleans area who are studying the Double your Dating material by David DeAngelo. This group is to get and give advice, to share your experiences and results, and to hook up with other guys so you can go out and work on your game together. Anyone in the New Orleans area is welcome from inexperienced to PUA's.
NEW LAIR IN SINGAPORE
The Singapore Lair is a community for guys interested in improving their skills in meeting and attracting/seducing women. This group is mainly for guys who live in or travel to Singapore, although PUAs from other countries are also welcome. Membership is restricted to doers only -- you must be in the field and have real field experience. No armchair theorists allowed. To join this group, email singaporelair-owner@yahoogroups.com with your name, background and experience.
DALLAS LAIR
The Dallas Seduction Lair has been around for over a year now. We have had 18 official events of both discussion and seminar style events. As well as countless nights of sarging with newfound wingmen by our members. We are now over 120 members strong. Anyone at any skill level with a desire to learn is welcome. More information at: http://wingman.meetup.com/6/ or http://www.DallasSeductionLair.com
DALLAS PUA
DallasPua.com is formed from the spirit of helping my fellow brothers become better in their sarging skills of women and of life; to develop their individual integrity. The site offers many free features such as a forum ( http://www.dallaspua.com/forum ), personal journals/blogs, extensive resource page, and more. It is based out of Dallas, but the tailored PUA
features are available to anyone. This is your site! For more info go to http://www.DallasPua.com
HUNGARIAN LAIR FORMING
Hungarian Lair (Budapest) invites all visiting and local people for a great time of sarging in Budapest clubs and streets. We field test MM
, SS
, RSD
, Maniac Plan and various other stuff. Contact us at redpriest_hu@yahoo.com!"
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Our goal is to have a lot of FUN! Why did we create a Lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE IT. We have had enough of all the boring guys and loser boyfriends out there that are making women's lives a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys. Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to know to totally transform your life life and get more choice not only in life but with every relationship. In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new stuff asking to yourself: "What is possible? What if I get the results I only dreamed of and then even more than that?" Send an email at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN NORWICH (UK):
The Norwich Lair is a group for pickup artists in Norwich (UK) and the surrounding areas. The lair meets every Saturday night , 10PM in Norwich
City. The group is not a talking shop, if you want to remain in the lair you must participate in fieldwork every 90 days. To join the group, send an email to thenorwichlair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
OHIO LAIR FORMED:
An Ohio Lair has just been created for ASFers located in Ohio. I'm hoping to have regular sarging
meetings at different cities in Ohio and regular guest speakers. Any ASFer in Ohio who is interested in joining please email me an intro of yourself to philonous03@yahoo.com.
VIRGINIA/CAROLINA LAIR GROUP
The VAC (Virginia Carolina) Lair is a community for Virginia and Carolina area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wing
s in the area. Current members are located in the Charlotte, Blacksburg/Radford, and Raleigh/Chapel Hill areas. While those from outside this area are encouraged to participate, most events will likely be held within these areas. The VAC Lair is open to all levels from Beginner to PickUp Artist (PUA). Just come with a desire to learn, a willingness to share what you know, and a commitment to field test what you learn. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaclair/
NEW YORK CITY LAIR:
New York City Team Strike Force - The oldest lair in the U.S. and the only one that can lay claim to having dedicated instructors of reputation on staff, just for the members. Very organized, very respected and very strong sense of community, as well as life balance. You know you want us. Visit @ http://www.nyclair.com Please email admin@nyclair.com to request information about membership.
SECOND NEW YORK LAIR STARTED:
With the help of a few friends, Strongbad has started a lair in NYC. Send an email to either strongbadpua@yahoo.com or
NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join if you live in the NY area.
BLOOMINGTON LAIR STARTED:
The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make
new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR
Anyone living in Auckland (New Zealand) are welcome to join this bad ass lair. It's consantly growing, we have guys with all sorts of experience levels with diverse styles of game. We SARGE regularly. So if you're up for some fun e-mail us at akpuah@gmail.com"
SCOTLAND LAIR:
There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the SSs Group and we have a website at http://www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit SS
s.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com for more instructions on joining. The website is starting to grow big as it's seen on ASF
. We have our own discussion forums. We also have a photo and VIDEO gallery where PUA
s can upload their own photos and videos and browse those of others!! We are also giving out free scotlandlair.com email addresses to contributors.
BRAZIL NOW HAS A LAIR:
To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN TOKYO:
The Tokyo lair now has a discussion board for discussing the finer points of the Japanese scene, guys looking to meet wings and discuss all things nanpa can email tokyolair@hotmail.com for an invite to the board.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN ARIZONA:
We have formed a lair for guys interested in pickup and seduction in Arizona. It is open to anyone in the state, regardless of specific city, or skill level. If you are interested in joining, send an email to cramias@mail.com and you will receive an invite to our private forums.
ANNOUNCING SOUTH FLORIDA P-L-A-Y LIST:
The South Florida P-L-A-Y list is a community for Miami, Ft Lauderdale and Boca-Palm Beach area PUA's to meet up and improve their game in the field.
All methods are welcome. Please understand that our primary focus will be field work. To join, please contact Zuzu atSouthFlorida-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
THE INDIA LAIR
We are a small but dynamic bunch of aspiring PUAs in India. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be serious about actually getting out in the field. Please register at the site. New registrants will be verified to weed out KJs. Visit http://www.indialair.com
BRISTOL LAIR
These guys have a truly great site, with a lot of terrific resources. Go to http://www.bristollair.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN DALLAS/FORT WORTH:
If you are interested in joining, please send an e-mail to dfwseductionlair@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR IN GERMANY!
The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA:
A new lair called the O.C. Player's Group is forming for members of the seduction community in Orange County, California. The group will be a place for everyone from aspiring to accomplished PUAs in "the OC" to post their pick up experiences and successes and meet occasionally in a constructive and non-critical environment. Everyone is welcome, but you must be serious about becoming a PUA
and the emphasis will be on getting out into the field and reporting on what worked and what didn't. Armchair pua/theorists need not apply! Contact pua1day (Kurt) for further information at o.c.playasgroup@sbcglobal.net or to join at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HARRISBURG, PA:
No keyboard Junkies, only people who are willing to go out in the field and just get better at the game. All levels are welcome. Contact Gaurang at
NEW SYDNEY LAIR STARTED!!!
Monthly meetings with guest speakers. All levels welcomed only prerequisite is that you are in the field. To join please email ta_justin@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OKLAHOMA CITY:
Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & SARGE
, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN PHILADELPHIA
Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND:
We have already met-up with couple of local guys and SARGE 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU
knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com"
KANSAS CITY LAIR FORMING:
Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write eclypz@hotmail.com and include "From Cliff's List" in the title.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN CONNECTICUT:
Open to PUAs and RAFC
s who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to djsemtp00@aol.com with your background and experience.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN OTTAWA:
Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/
NEW LAIR FORMED IN BOSTON:
The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN NORTH CAROLINA:
A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.
NEW LAIR FORMED IN POLAND:
We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated formum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LAS VEGAS:
Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN ITALY:
Milano will be headquarters. All Italians, Swiss, Austrians, etc are welcome to join. Would like to set up infrastructure for weekly or biweekly weekend sargefests, both day and night. Goals include: hosting seminars/workshops of the world's best PUA
s, sharing the best techniques for Italian hotbabes, sarging
together, sarging
trips to Roma, Firenze, etc. We need to get a solid core of about 10 guys to really get it going. All levels welcome. Email italypua@yahoo.com for info.
ATLANTA LAIR:
Contact: groovewhiz@yahoo.com
NEW LAIR FORMING MILWAUKEE TO MADISON:
A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will SARGE
from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN MONTERREY, MEXICO:
The style I use is C&F from DYD
, but am willing to try other styles, and will be very focused in going out and learning. Anyone interested in forming a Lair here in Mexico just write to me: javimartinez50@hotmail.com
NEW LAIR FORMING IN HONOLULU, HAWAII:
Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.
NEW LAIR IN CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK):
A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU
tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA
. Contact Angel Caido on el_angel_caido@lycos.com and join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join
NEW LAIR FORMING IN OSLO:
The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asf-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month. The first meeting will be held December 7th, at 18h00.
NEW LAIR FORMING IN LOS ANGELES:
The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wing
s in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. Contact Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com and get on the mailing list by emailing p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the FastSeduction, SS
, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com
SEATTLE LAIR FORMING!
I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.
THE AUSTIN SOCIETY (AUSTIN, TEXAS)
The Austin Society is a group of friends, within the greater Austin/San Antonio area, improving their attraction and relationship skills through field work and study. If you are interested in joining and contributing to our group, email us at theaustinsociety@yahoogroups.com for more info. Open-minded gentlemen of all skill levels are welcome."
NEW ORLEANS LAIR FORMING:
Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of likeminded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com
NYC:
Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
SAN DIEGO (TWO GROUPS NOW!):
1) The San Diego lair is now opening their doors to potential new members for the next 30 days. If interested in joining the San Diego lair please contact Nightlife at nightlife@playboylifestyle.net
2) Pete M., and Nightlife have formed another seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. It is a group that is modeled after the LA P-L-A-Y list. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.
SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA LAIR:
We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous SARGE outings. We also have top PUA
's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Cliff's list.
DETROIT LAIR:
New lair starting in Detroit area. Guys of all skill levels are welcome but MUST be SERIOUS about learning. The group will be interactive and do field work also.
Any one willing to learn or teach is welcome. Send Greg an email saying your interested at Grgreg_2001@yahoo.com
HOUSTON:
http://www.houstonlair.com Members of the Lair meet regularly, actively apply and improve their skills and are eager to teach success. Contact: xmlenigma, bashev can be reached at xmlenigma@yahoo.com, rnkayab@hotmail.com
MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA:
Turning KJs into Active PUA
Members meet twice weekly with approximately 200+ registered members. Currently run mini study groups on Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Juggler, SS. We usually meet out in the field and streets so there is plenty of field practice. Our Sarge-Fest is a great learning night for newbies where some of Australias best PUA
coach you to improve your game. We also organize other activities such as Salsa dance nights for our members and we encourage our members to contribute back to the community to help it grow. The lair currently runs its own forum so come join this active lair.
Contact iceman at melb.lair.autoreply@gmail.com. See http://Melb-Lair.com
AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Philip has started a LAIR for those who live in the upper North Island of New Zealand (Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, etc). There are already 4 of them who have been meeting regularly in Auckland, and they welcome others to be in touch. SSer's from elsewhere in New Zealand are also welcome to email to share experiences and form a network. Contact: philip@toeb.co.nz
MIAMI:
Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.
LONDON, ENGLAND
The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com
AMSTERDAM:
Contact Big Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nllounge/
The main purpose of the Lair is to help Wingmen to get in touch with each other and "in field" action! Membership open to anyone who lives in Holland or Belgium, or is a frequent visitor. However membership policy is strict.
PERTH, AUSTRALIA:
The Perth lair is a small group of people who SARGE regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging
with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.
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Blake Richards has put out a new ebook that looks very interesting. Check it out here: http://www.social-mastery.com/Game.html
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Real Social Dynamics WORKSHOPS:
I highly recommend that you check these guys out. They are in the final stages of producing their long-awaited e-book as well as a redesign of their website.
Anyone interested in attending their seminars and/or workshops, email Papa at papa@realsocialdynamics.com with the subject "WORKSHOP" and mention that you heard about it from Cliff's List.
Real Social Dynamics (http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ ):
Learn what works in seminar, and then jump directly into the field and watch the instructors demonstrate and teach it live. Stop feeling the fear of not knowing what to do ...
Individualized Bootcamps
Sign up and get more info here: http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/)
Real Social Dynamics has just launched its new website, forum communities, and Foundations DVD/CD set. This is the most comprehensive program they've delivered at a seminar and they were fortunate to have recorded it as well. Visitors can check out the new forum or get the new Foundations home study course at http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/
More info also available by sending an email to: support@relsocialdynamics.com
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The Venusian Art Society is dedicated to the pursuit of Relationship Mastery.
We have started a Yahoo group in each city our members are located in Denver,Houston, and Atlanta. You can register for membership by going to Yahoo and joining V_A_S_D or V_A_S_A or V_A_S_H. Be sure to include your experience in the Venusian Arts as well as what you hope to get out of them.
This forum will serve as a way to discuss any and all issues related to the Venusian Arts, from cold approach to relationship management. We welcome all active participants in the Venusian arts from any of the various schools such as MM, SS
, DYD
, etc..
This will be a controlled forum so feel free to post anything you want as long as it is directly relatable to the Venusian Arts. This is not a classified board or a place to advertise.
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New Dating/Seduction Seminars & Workshop in Montreal by DOC!
Doc, who many of you know from his great interview here last time and all too rare but outstanding posts on this list, on Mystery's Lounge, and the Montreal Lair, is bringing his seminars and speed dating events to Montreal. Previously they were mainly held in Toronto as part of the Learning Annex, Doc is now setting it up here and plans to hold events on a monthly basis.
The website is http://www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca. Registrations available on the website. The events are Dating Secrets for Women, a 3 Hour seminar (cost $50) and Dating Secrets for Guys; a Guide to The Art of Dating (also 3 hours and $50). There will also be a speed dating event in the evening for $50. You can contact Doc by email at seduction.school@sympatico.ca.
The fall calendar has a full weekend seminar and makeover. He also has 3 new books coming out this fall under the SETNA Dating Manual Series. Volume I (to be released this week) deals with the psychology of attraction, first impressions, and working on your inner game, Volume II (coming in September) deals with tactics and strategies to go from meeting her to dating her, and Volume III will deal with Managing Relationships.
Full-weekend Dating Makeover workshops will be offered soon (including a half day with a personal stylist, video tape analysis of body language, and live practice sessions with dating coaches beautiful women who will give the guys on the spot feedback on how they come across and what to improve). If there is a group of 10 or more guys interested in a seminar (or 5 guys for a workshop, he would consider making a special trip to their city).
This is a great opportunity to learn from a real master.
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Mystery Method Workshops:
What method are YOU using?
If you are opening groups (or sets: 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed set
s, etc) of people with the 3 second rule by stacking indirect openers (including false opinion openers), false time constraining (discovered by Style), demonstrating a higher value to your romantic interest’s peer group with high octane DHV
s while she obliquely observes (locking her into her own set
with a prop), and simultaneously performing false disqualifiers (which include negs) on her with the intension of disarming her peergroup and then isolating her to rebuild her self-esteem once you have enough IOI
s (indicators of interest) so you may share in a comfort and trust building effort and then build in a jealousy subplot to solidify her attraction for you, you are using The Mystery Method.
If instead you are only approaching women who are alone, you are greatly limiting your options and quite likely alienating your target's friends. Do you want a lonely woman (why is she lonely?) or a woman who already has a healthy social lfe? Truth is, healthy women have healthy relationships ... sometimes good friendships with guys. Like it or not, you will have to meet these women with men in her group.
Women of beauty are rarely found alone. Don't miss the opportunity to meet and attract them WITH social proof from her very own peergroup. Group Approach Theory (GAT - created by me) improves your options and increases the chances for attraction DRAMATICALLY over Single Approach Theory (SAT).
The guys who are GREAT in this game KNOW that they can improve their game ten-fold through seminars and personal coaching in-field workshops. Think about this: Why did so many of the greats who use my GAT (Style, Tyler D., MTL_PUA, and others) take my seminars and workshops? What started them off to greatness in this game? Can you see the co-relation may in fact be a causation?
If you have NEVER taken a seminar or workshop before, it's time to finally reconsider. They are life-transforming. I have conducted dozens of them. I am currently conducting a bootcamp and will accept only 5 people. Workshops and seminars were for many of the greats THE difference between great success and failure. If you are ready, give me a call and sign up. If you have any questions, give me a shout at 323-219-8696 (Mystery) because email sucks, or visit http://www.Mysterymethod.com and email me your #. We need to talk. Man to man.
NEW: Attraction Magic
Content: In the Attraction Magic Seminar, Mystery will teach you the magical illusions most useful in picking up women. In addition to rune casting and sleight of hand, he will teach you to vanish coins, rings, jewelry and other small objects. You will also be taught how to move objects without touching them and how to "read" minds. As I'm sure you can imagine, magic is a superb DHV. Captivating and impressing an entire group of people goes a long way in raising your social value in the eyes of women. If there is one thing that Mystery knows more about than women, it is magic.
http://www.mysterymethod.com/schedule.htm
Tenmagnet is doing Mystery Method workshops in Toronto and Montreal.
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DJ: Upcoming 2 day inner game and storytelling programs:
This program focuses on how to take experiences from your life and convey them in an attractive, fun, and seductive way and incorporates everything from voice projection exercises to hypnotic language structures to deep inner work on who you are and what you want to convey. The first day is inner game intensive while the second day focuses on the mechanics of storytelling for a truly *complete* experience I've received so many requests to build in some of the "old school" material on value elicitation and creating a rapport that invites her to open up to you, that I've decided to build it into this program. There will be a special section on moving from flash attraction to true connection. Please contact me for a flier with more details!
I’m offering special discounts for these programs so please email me for details at dj_seminar@yahoo.com ...
I hope everyone is well and I look forward to hearing from you. Feel free to drop a line to say hello…
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DR. PAUL SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
***"Hey guys. My name is Dr. Paul and my friend Cliff invited me to share
some special information about my upcoming seminar and live coaching in
Chicago on November 3rd-5th.
All of you reading this are familiar with the notion of "pickup" and the
idea of a "boot camp." You might wonder why the work I do takes a different
angle. As a board certified psychiatrist and long time men's counselor I
think it's great for people to take a hands-on approach to their dating
life. When I started giving seminars based on my books and ideas I made
sure to include an innovative live coaching format that takes the best of
real science and combines it with a street smart team.
Two of the things you may have encountered from me are MindOST and
DatingOST. The "OS" stands for Operating System. These teach you the
reality underneath human courtship and character strength. If you want to
learn the method-behind-the-method (why different things work for different
people), and see exactly how your personality fits into this mix, then stop
paying guys to learn what amounts to "what works for them."
There is way too much to say about how the REAL you inside effects your
ability to attract great women. You can learn much more than a "skill set."
When you develop your natural character you have what I call Seventh SenseT.
Everything about your maturity, emotional energy and self esteem are
reflected in all aspects of courtship. I'll try not to dork out on you too
much, but you have to get this to understand what I do:
Do you want to see in CONCRETE terms the exact fundamental quality of male
attraction? Find out the secret that made one student call my program "The
Armageddon Of Seminars!"
What would you do with an easy to use system of personality profiling? When
you can assess compatibility in seconds, you know exactly how to connect
with women. The format you can learn for this is called called King,
Warrior, Magician, Lover (KWML). I've trained a team of coaches who are not
only great with the ladies, but are also clear examples of these archetypes.
They'll help you discover your own fit and also show you how to spot a girls
profile from a mile away.
There is a lot of talk about CHARACTER floating around these days. Good.
Even some trainers with bad reputations are coming around, and even that
benefits men more than nothing at all. I applaud this. Yet if you want more
than vague notions of what character means, then you need MindOS. It is
your access to the only patented technology of character building, even
within my professional field.
It's not enough to have lists of qualities like confidence, maturity,
courage, etc, such as my MD colleagues in the "Positive Psychology
Movement," "Human Potential Movement," "systems theorists" and others use.
You need to see how the parts of our mind fit together as a SYSTEM to form
your identity. You only have a few choices on how to tackle this: a.) Let
a layman less well-read than you repeat stuff from books you've already
read, back at you, b.) take a decade or more of schooling and professional
training, or c.) have a medical professional guide you. The choice is
yours.
Can you give up the idea of a quick fix? Many trainers stop at "getting
laid." In reality, that's only the beginning. You can learn not only how
to meet and attract women, but also develop real friendship and durable
connection over time. Instead of learning to cheat the system, you can
actually grow and WIN for yourself. BE the system. When you do this it
touches every aspect of your life, including not only dating but also your
career, family life and social circle.
Don't aspire to being an oversexed train-wreck of a man! Aim higher at
www. http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm ."
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The new technology (DatingOS) Dr. Paul is unleashing on the world completely explains what your hangups are, not only in "hooking up" or "approaching," but through the dating process and deep into relationships. This doesn't exist anywhere else, nor will it, because Dr Paul has gone through twenty years of both psychiatric clinical training, seen 15,000 patients with problems of both a "dating" nature, AND comprehensively solves deep problems that people have with sexual attraction, commitment, marriage, breakups, relationships, trauma, depression, anxiety disorders, ADD, OCD, career complications, cheating and betrayal.
If you want permanent RESULTS, you may need some real science, and the same fun time you have at other seminars of course, with more mastery of ALL psychology of dating—INNER GAME, OUTER GAME, and never before seen PROFILING of women for perfect fit to your personality.
So far, DatingOS has only been available in person, at seminars in the heart of the city of SINGLES, in summertime after a bitter winter has all females in a frenzy of cabin fever. See http://doctorpaul.net/products.htm
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Herbal has started a new web site called "Tynan's Angels" where three of his beautiful female friends dispense pickup, dating, and sex advice every day. For more information, visit the site at http://www.tynansangels.com
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Brian has a network of sites at http://bogdock.com/ and in there he has launched a dating site, http://www.fullcontactdating.com/
which he generously has included a page for Cliff's List at:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/cliffs-list/
which you should visit! As a reward for visiting Brian's site, you can get a F R E E copy of his new e-book which can be downloaded from:
http://www.fullcontactdating.com/index.php/btp/
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Dear fellow PUAs,
Probably you've heard that this year's EuroSummit will be held in London. After last year's awesome success in Vienna, we decided to take it to the
next level. In London, the nerve centre of Europe, we are getting ready to rock the world.
If have some PU experience and ready to travel, come join us, and take part in our celebration of the fairer sex. During these 3 days and 3 nights of sarging
, you can meet some of the best PUA
s and most beautiful girls in Europe, and you can also hold your speech if you'd like to.
Please write us that you'd like to join us in London provided all the people come you'd want to see.
It's a survey until we finish the site. You by NO MEANS will have an obligation to us, nor will your name be displayed on the EuroSummit site.
For advanced PUAs:
Please also tell us if you'd like to hold a speech, and of which topic. We'll schedule it then, but the final schedule will depend on the other speakers, too.
And after you send a pre-application, we'll send you the list of people who already signed up.
Please send your email to redpriest_hu@yahoo.com , with the subject "Euro Summit"
Thank you,
RedPriest
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Derek Vitalio:
Seduction Science Live In-Field Workshops!
The fact is, only by MODELING the very best can you achieve the very best. In a Seduction Science workshop, you'll meet and train with master coach McMaax who will take you to unique hot spots all over a particular city for meeting the most attractive, beautiful women. Your coach will demonstrate their skills and explain, teach, and show you how to interact with women at a club and on the street.
With a coach, you'll find an immediate shift in your skills and understanding with women as you see what it takes demoed live and right in front of you. And there's no reason to take the long and hard path or reinvent the wheel. After making hundreds of approaches, we've learned what works and what doesn't. We'll show you exactly how it's done and save you months, if not years of time.
You'll never have to go back to feeling lonely or lost and live passionately once again. Reserve your place as soon as possible (placing is limited!) so that you're guaranteed a spot.
For more information on the full workshop schedule visit: http://www.seductionscience.com/workshops
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Swinggcat has published a new ebook which you can check out at his website at http://www.realworldseduction.com. Those of you who remember his outstanding posts here will be anxious to get this as soon as possible. Highly recommended.
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Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars (http://www.speedseduction.net/)
Advanced Speed Seduction® Seminars - All Seminars Updated!
Look for more details soon, or call Dr. Yates at 903-482-1034. Price is $1,195. This seminar is ONLY open to those who own a Speed Seduction Home Study Course so you better hop on line and buy one now if you don't already have one and plan on attending.
Speed Seduction Seminars
Schedule 2006
Finished for 2006
Speed Life Seminars
Finished for 2006
Magick / Psychic Influence Seminars
Finished for 2006
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Major Mark (http://www.trucor.com):
Send mail to Cassi@trucor.com with questions or comments about his seminars.
Call to register: 419 882-8543 or go to http://www.trucor.com
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Double Your Dating LIVE! NEW Seminar! We will be reviewing all of the new DYD products here soon, including the monthly interview series in which David DeAngelo interviews "Dating Gurus".
You can order all your DYD products and register for seminars through this link: http://www.doubleyourdating.com/cl
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Threesomes! The Secrets To Making Your Fantasy A Reality
A home study course by David Shade http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
If you are like most men, you have had a fantasy about a threesome with 2 hot bi-sexual women. Everything you could possibly need to know about how to have threesomes is in this special information packed course.
The FIRST And ONLY, step-by-step guide written for men, featuring Pickup Artists and couples who are actually having threesomes all the time.
I GUARANTEE you that you've NEVER been exposed to, or had real Threesomes explained to you in the way I've done it here in this course!
It doesn't matter if you are in a relationship currently or not, every situation is covered here...
- The 3 scenarios to make a threesome happen (pick the one that works BEST for you)
- How to have threesomes as part of a committed relationship (and have it bring you closer together)
- The real truth about women and bisexuality (This will SURPRISE you)
- Proven methods to deal with your woman if she is on the fence about having a threesome. (You will have her begging you to make it happen)
- 4 vital things you MUST know about bisexual women (if you want to be successful having threesomes)
- How you can tell if a women is bi-sexual or not. (It's not what you think)
- The single biggest obstacle most women have to doing a threesome with their man. (when you can deal with this, the rest is easy)
- The foolproof way to bring up the subject of threesomes when you
have been with a woman for a long time. (This one is so powerful I almost didn't release it)
- The one thing you can say that shows a bisexual woman you are NOT like all the other guys (Do this and they might even fall in LOVE with you)
- Also, actual field reports of David & his girlfriend picking up bisexual women
- And much, much more...
The bottom line is that by learning how to have threesomes... YOU can live life fully and enjoy being a sensual person through expression of healthy sexuality in a mutually beneficial way.
Free samples of the course video online, check it out at http://www.masterful-lover.com/3somes.html
The classic 'David Shade Manual' goes online
You've done all the hard work, found the HB, attracted her, managed to get her back to your place, now you need to skills in the bedroom if
you want to keep the attraction going. Being able to give her the sexual experience of her life is the final tool in the seducer's
toolkit, so make sure you make the most of this opportunity. David Shade, as you are no doubt aware, is well known in the seduction
community as the master of bedmanship skills.
His masterpiece the 'David Shade Masterful Lover Manual' is now available for the first time online at http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730 . Highly
recommended, it is possibly the only book on the subject you will ever need. Compulsory reading.
http://www.alphalover.com/cmd.php?ad=145730
"The Seduction End-Game"
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Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer (http://www.seduceandconquer.com/seducewomen) CD disks present Payton's unique, dynamic style of meeting and seducing women. His methods are very natural and are the epitome of the original advice you get - tease and take away, play hard to get, etc. Definitely worth checking out, but not for everyone.
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Due to popular demand, Learn from the resident Sexpert How to be Outrageously Successful With the Opposite Sex and How to naturally let the game come to you. An intensive 1 on 1 personalized bootcamp taught to you by the East Coast's #1 Personal Dating Coach and Mentor. For more info go to http://www.youaresoinmyway.com
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NEW PRODUCTS FROM DAVE RIKER
Have you ever wished that Speed Seduction® was taught in a more structured way, piece by piece, subject by subject, in a way that allows you to really
understand it, really KNOW it and really USE and APPLY it even better than before?
If so, check out http://www.daveriker.com/ssmanual/
Riker's Seduction Log - Live Seminar
If you always wanted to hear more field reports, with full details, and even some recordings, then this seminar is for you. Dave Riker (Ross's co-trainer for those of you who don't know him) spends about 3 hours each evening going through his personal Logs and notes and provides full reports on SARGEs, many from start to close (finish). And that's a full "close" by the way, not just an email address or phone number!
The seminar is held in conjunction with Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction Seminars. Ross's seminar is during the day (and Riker presents at that too) and then Riker does his seminar in the evening. And even if you do not attend Ross's seminar you can still attend Riker's.
For full details see the web page at: http://www.daveriker.com/logseminar/track/cl.htm (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
Be sure to check out his "Reviews" page on his site. Many guys that have been in the game for a while, and attended a LOT of seminars, were just blown away by Riker's Log seminar.
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Introducing 1 on 1 Badboy workshops:
Badboy is a Croatian PUA from Zagreb who has spent almost 4 years in the game. He is also a respected poster in Mystery's lounge.
To see some of his stuff, search for posts by "croBadboy" on mASF or read one of the recent issues of Cliff's list.
Workshops are 1 on 1 for 3 days.
Each day consists of a 4-hour seminar and 5 hours of active in-field work. Each night you will make 20-30 approaches with your teacher to get field experience. 1 on 1 training makes it possible to answer any questions you might have and cover the most important aspects of the game in detail. Teachings are tailored to your level in the game.
The basic structure of the workshop is:
Day 1:
Social intelligence/emotional intelligence
How to dress, peacocking vs. dressing style
Alpha-male bodylanguage secrets
Attitude (inner-game) and getting a good seductive voice
Difference between emotional and party type girls
Social dynamics in clubs (2sets/3sets/lonewolves), know your city
Openers (sets with males vs. only-girl sets)
Day 2:
Difference between PUing alone and with a wing
Different tools for getting attraction
Power of contrast (bad boy & nice guy in one)
Stealing their frames
Passing sh*t tests
Push-pull
Isolation tactics(2steps)
Day 3:
AMOG tactics (the AMOG
handshake, group set
AMOG
destroyers)
Boyfriend destroyers
Passing LMR
Secrets of good s*ex
How to manage a good relationship
More bodylanguage secrets
How to turn Coffee dates into f*ck-fest in just 1 hour
How to turn a 0$ date into a time she will never forget
Difference between PUing in different places (small towns, big cities, colleges and the difference between certain clubs and the girls who go there)
Badboy says he can write a pages of what he does with guys because it's not just PU. He opens their EYES to LIFE, to understand how to live successfully.
For more info, email Badboy at badboy@playboylifestyle.net. See Badboy's new website: http://www.badboylifestyle.com
You can book your workshop on: http://www.badboylifestyle.com/?badboy=workshops
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The beauty of The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend seminar is that Dr. Alex will be leading the exercises, making sure you do them (and throwing some trancework in there to supercharge it). Most people go through an entire lifetime not having done an exercise like this. You don't have to be one of them. Here you can get more info about all that will go on at the weekend:
http://www.thetaoofdating.com/liveseminar.com
The Tao of Dating Transformation Weekend is about taking that cosmic mallet to your own head and figuring this stuff out for yourself. Not because *Dr. Alex* is saying it's right, but because you're feeling it in your bones and it feels right *for you*. Your brain will figure out which it likes better -- the carrying around of past injury like a dead weight, or the lightness and ease of letting go. And the millisecond it figures out which one is more fun, it will never go back.
Like when you find a shortcut and never go the long way again.
Come join us in LA if you can. Seats are going fast, and Dr. Alex would like to see you there. It's going to be lots of fun.
The power is within you, Dr Alex.
You can write Dr. Alex at dralex@thetaoofdating.com
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Since I joined the community I've been hoping someone would come up with a web page that I could go to, each day, to find out what is new in the seduction community, but one never materialized. Rather than wait, I started one - dailyseduction.com .
Each day dailyseduction.com is updated with articles on what is happening in the community. Articles such as: New product announcements.
News of upcoming seminars.
Dates of lair meetings.
Notices of newsletters being sent out. Too often I have found out about seminars when it is way too close to the date to be able to get time off work, or the flights were now too expensive or full. I've even had seminars held in my own town that I din't even know about and which I would have loved to have attended.
And how often have you found newsletters mistakenly in the junk mail folder (I've found several of Cliff's mailing in there long after they were sent, put there by an over zealous junk mail filter)? When newsletters are mentioned on dailyseduction.com then if an interested reader hasn't received it they can know to go the to the sender's web page to read it and look around the sender's web site to find out more.
dailyseduction.com doesn't copy what is on the original web site, instead we write a one sentence article and include a link to the original web site so that it gets the traffic and the interested reader can then look at when else is on the original web site. (Take a look at dailyseduction.com and see how it works.)
dailyseduction.com does not currently plan to do reviews or interviews (others are already doing those), dailyseduction.com just carries today's news. There is no plan for an editorial, either, just the news.
If any of your readers have a new product they want to let the community know about, or if they plan on holding a seminar in the near future, or maybe they want to announce a lair meeting, then have them send an email to Editor@DailySeduction.com and I'll see about including an article it on dailyseduction.com .
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Want the AMAZING results of a weekend workshop but don't want to pay the absurd costs associated with other companies? Instructors Maverick & Orleans at Lifestyle Imaging are now introducing to the community the $350 Art of Attraction workshop. These will be held every two weeks. See videos of actual workshops! Inquire at http://www.lifestyleimaging.net
Reviews:
The Lifestyle Imagining workshop by Maverick and Orleans opened my eyes to areas in the game I never knew existed. After taking the workshop and being in-field Friday and Saturday night, my game has improved drastically. In comparison to the other bootcamps being offered for over 2 grand, a complete bootcamp for less than half the price didn't seem real; but I can say for certain that my game has improved more in 3 days than it has over the past 3 months.
The handbook which came with the course also offers very insightful information into Lifestyle Imaging. With personalized and dedicated instructors striving to make the most out of their students, you can be sure you'll see results... And fast. -Mike
"I've always known about this stuff but this is the first time since I've been reading and talking about it, that I actually FEEL like a pick up artist" and I still do. This weekend was a TOTAL change, for me and my improvement. I used to go out on the weekend to try pickup because I wanted to get good. This weekend I want to do it because ITS SO MUCH GOD DAMN FUN. I can't wait to do it again. -Quicklips
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Thundercat's New "Seduction Lair"
Get the latest News, Rumors, Tips, Tricks, & Analysis on the Pick-Up and Seduction community! The site is updated daily with lots of free and exclusive content.
Also a good way to keep up with things without having to navigate mASF. Drop By TSL today! http://www.seductionlair.com/
The Art of Approaching: Learn to meet ANY woman, ANY time, ANY where. The most difficult hurdle for most men to overcome is that of the initial Approach. This comprehensive eBook gives you over 35 unique Openers, as well as a step-by-step roadmap to help overcome your fear of approaching forever!
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Robert "Magnum" Bednarek of "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy" proudly presents the new DVD-Set "Advanced Pick-Up Arts by Badboy".
Watch one of the most highly acclaimed Pick-Up-Artists in the world like you have never before seen him. Up close and personal. For the first time ever on DVD, Badboy will teach you all of his advanced secrets and techniques on how to seduce every woman out there. Experience a personal workshop just for you.
That will change your life.
The DVD is completely in English with German subtitles.
Check out the exclusive three-minute trailer and learn more about the exclusive "The Perfect Seduction - World's Premier Seduction Academy"-Live Workshops and other exciting products at http://www.theperfectseduction.com/
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Zan continues his quest to describe "natural game" in his new DVD series "The Way of the Natural". We all know men who are at ease in the land of women, who captivate them the moment they enter a room. What qualities do they possess that make these men irresistible to women? What sets them apart from you? More importantly, can it be learned? The answer may surprise you! Find out more at http://www.enlightenedseduction.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lance Mason Pick-Up 101 (http://www.pickup101.com/):
More than just workshops, PickUp 101 provides focused programs that begin weeks before you arrive with our home study materials, our 3-day skills intensive & field work training, and lasts long after you leave with follow up coaching calls and access to the PickUp 101 private forums.
PickUp 101 provides you 'warp-speed' training in a sequenced progression to take you from complete newbie to getting laid like a rock star with our proven step-by-step programs.
In our current programs you will learn the latest in:
- Attraction Skills
- Night Club Game
- Day Time Game
- Direct AND Indirect Methods of Approach
- Deep Rapport Skills
- Effective Day-2 Seduction Tactics
- Dressing For Your Pickup Artist Identity
- Multiple Relationship Management
- Advanced Pickup Tactics
- And much more...
Our programs are structured to build on each other and NEVER repeat material.
Our instructors stay on the cutting edge of what works, and we won't lock you into any one way of doing pickup. We find what works BEST FOR YOU, and provide you with all the training and coaching you need to succeed.
We also provide monthly free seminars in San Francisco, and free distance learning teleseminars.
Call us toll free for more information.
PickUp 101
1459 Powell Street
San Francisco, CA
1-877-PICKUP-9 (toll free)
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"The Brotherhood of Change is a meeting point for nice guys who've always wanted to be excellent men. A new approach to seduction, it emphasises the importance of compassion, honesty and genuine strength of character. We do not seek to be manipulative geniuses. We do not seek to define ourselves by our success with women. We seek to develop the things that are highest and best in humanity, namely kindness, empathy and respect, and couple them with the things that are highest and best in man, namely strength, loyalty and honour.
Developing skills of self expression is only as good as the self you wish to express.
We develop both. We seek to be amazing men. And as such, as an amazing man, you will incidentally, but inevitably, become irresistable to amazing women. We look in detail about the practicalities of sorting yourself out. We answer your questions. We take you seriously. Say whatever you want. Ask whatever you want. You will not be censored.
And besides, there's a wider world out there. At the Brotherhood of Change you can coordinate projects with other members in Art, Music, Entertainment, Creative Writing and Business. There's also a Miscellaneous Projects forum. Anything goes.
We also give specific forums to discuss any of the deeper issues that we face when we decide to change our lives.
But we keep it real. We keep it focused. We don't talk too much for too long.
We are men. We act.
Join us at http://www.brotherhoodofchange.com "
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New street seduction CD course from Croatia
mr.ice - Croatian seduction master finally released his seduction audio
CD "Streetmode".
Backed by 5 years of extensive research it contains step-by-step directions on how to seduce girls in normal - everyday environment.
Each part uses structured approach i.e. you are given an introduction that describes specifics of each seduction environment together with steps that are neccesary for you to feel comfortable before you start with the seduction.
You are then guided through the seduction process - from intial approach to conversation and later to kissing and having sex with a girl.
for more information: http://streetmode.atspace.com
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Trevor Emdon got the T shirt on being dumped! But he also happens to be an NLP practitioner and a personal development coach and writer, so he was darned if he was going to be defeated by a little thing like being twice divorced and having more "ex’s" in his little black book than any self respecting man should have!
He set about figuring out a way of turning life around. And he began where it hurt the most – with the uncomfortable probability that since HE was the common denominator in all his relationships, maybe it was him that needed to change! Uncomfortable … only to a point, because then he realised something VERY exciting…
If HE was the one that needed to change, then HE was in control of his own romantic destiny! And so are YOU!
That single thought sparked a revolution in his thinking, and led him to devise the powerful program in the pages of the ebook you could be putting to use in your life just minutes from now!
"How To Conquer Your Fear of Rejection & Start Dating Again!" packs a powerful punch. And at $9.99 it’s the best value antidote to a broken heart or plain old fear of rejection.
It will restore your faith in Love, Life, Sex and Romance! http://www.wizardofwisdom.com/conquerrejection.htm
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In conjunction with the PASSION FOR LIFE GROUP and for the first time EVER in Australia and fresh from my appearance at Cliff’s List Convention 2006 in Montreal, Canada I will be a major part of a two day seminar to be held in Sydney entitled "Men Get Hitched".
The Passion For Life Group have a series of seminars and events coming up and this one is the first event for men. I will be one of the main presenters over the two days and along side me you will also hear from some experienced Dating Coaches/Pick Up Artists who have different styles and an abundance of tips, advice and strategies.
But most importantly, you will have the opportunity to learn from me - Nige 54 - as I present my latest dating & relationship advice for men. Highlights of my presentation at Cliff’s List Convention 2006 are currently available to view at http://www.nige54.com along with my recent appearances on SUNRISE and NOVA FM, which will give you a small taste of what to expect over the two days. The topics I will be speaking on include:
· Inner Game
· The Approach/The Pick Up
· Being the Alpha Male
· Successful Dating
· Closing the deal
· My WORLD FAMOUS real life examples and entertaining Q&A sessions
· LIVE on-the-spot coaching
· PLUS MUCH, MUCH MORE
Tickets for this ground breaking event are available exclusively from http://www.gethitched.net.au and they are selling fast!!!
If you have any questions - please email me or the team at "GET HITCHED".
Best Regards,
Nige 54
P.S. For those of you from outside Sydney, travel & accommodation packages are also available from http://www.gethitched.net.au
P.P.S. In October I will also be presenting at the one day "Women Get Hitched" seminar. More details to follow so stay tuned!
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The Frank B Kermit Philosophy on Men, Women and Relationships. Everything Out of Her Mouth is a Test. In this book, Frank B Kermit goes in depth as to what a test is, what a woman tests for, and what her emotional needs are, in a thorough analysis. Also in this book is an entire chapter as to why women end up with jerks and avoid the nice guys. Finally, Frank B Kermit issues true GOLD to his readers, coming up with at least 10 solid ways how a man can effectively address a woman's top emotional needs, pass her tests, and become her lover. A "TEST" is when a woman says or does something, specifically to evoke a reaction out of a man. It is a mechanism that a woman uses to judge his overall value as a man. It is the predictor and basis for all sexual attraction and love she will have for a man. Every test is designed to make her feel special when a man passes it (thus makes her your lover) , or makes her feel un-special if you fail it(thus turns her into your mother) . At least, that is how Frank B Kermit sees it. A woman can only fit into 1 of 2 roles in any man’s life; Mother or Lover. Within each test is an emotional need being communicated that MUST be addressed. A woman always tests because her instinct to mother is stronger than her instincts to have sex. The top 10 Emotional Needs of a Woman include the protection of her Reputation, making her FEEL a range of emotions, and catering to the little girl within. They also include the man's role as the dominant in taking responsibility for leading the relationship, making her feel secure to combat the fears of abandonment and earning her trust with his honesty; even if he know it will upset her. Finally comes her physical safety, his ability to handle her TRUE sexuality, and demonstrating he has high quality sperm for reproduction. Lastly he must prove that he is not a closet homosexual. Until October 31st pick up this book for 12$ US. After that the price goes up to 39.95$ US buy it at http://www.franktalks.com/frankbooks.html
Frank B Kermit is also the author of "From Loser to Seducer" gives lifestyle seminars for men and can be reached from via http://www.franktalks.com
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Archangel:
I've got something I think you & your readers would be interested in.
It's called NLP PLUS and you can see it here: nlp-plus.com The entire system is based upon Breath, Body, Mind, Motion. It's a system of Confidence and Persuasion, and is meant to be easy to use with little memorization.
There's a demo lesson here: http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/ConfidenceDemo.asp
The Rapport structure is here:
http://nlp-plus.com/Demo/rapport.htm
The rapport structure is very simple, and extremely effective. All you have to do is the BBMM structure to gain rapport with someone.
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Juggler is back!
Charisma Sciences, led by longtime seduction authority Juggler, focuses on developing a man's natural game. Our clients usually
- aren't connecting with women despite all efforts,
- are sick of using routines and material that isn't their own,
- want to understand vibing skills that will work in *any* situation.
We are now limiting the size of our events to four students with two to three instructors (including Juggler, of course), because we're not just giving a guy some lines and throwing him out there. We get to know our clients and teach them social vibing techniques, based on their own personality traits, that apply to women, men and groups.
There's just no other way to prepare a guy for the breadth of interactions he's going to face in his life, seductive or otherwise.
It's the difference between flash game and solid game. We don't teach men how to impress their friends and thirty other people with some jokes or tricks - we teach them how to consistently get numbers that will not flake, and closes that aren't forced - by building a solid foundation for every interaction.
Our Charm School bootcamp runs Friday to Sunday in Ann Arbor, MI and
other cities worldwide. To learn more about what we teach, you should check out our website, where we have free weblogs, podcasts, compiled articles, and the three-year-in-the-making Juggler eBook. See http://charismaarts.com/. Looks very interesting!
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Announcement!
My name is Docandwriter and I am a lifestyle coach in Vancouver, B.C. I have been putting guys on the path to becoming natural and direct seducers through http://www.seductionboard.com and am proud to say that I've never had a failure, I've never had a guy who didn't get "it".
My approach to seduction is different, however, first, although I prefer the natural and direct method, I don't believe you should limit yourself to one method of seduction (be it indirect, direct, or natural). I've been out with some of the best guys, both in and out of the community, and I can tell you that every single one of them does a mixture of all three, despite what they may tell you.
And I believe that the game is first played by yourself. The more you like yourself and the better you develop your self image and internal beliefs, the better your results will be in the long run. Did you know that statistically we end up with partners who are similar to ourselves in self esteem, attitudes, and personality? It makes sense doesn't it, that you should first fix and enable what is on the inside first before working on the outside and thus this is my approach to coaching and what I do is different from most other guys.
Be sure to go to http://www.seductionboard.com/calgarystampede.html and enjoy your summer.
Thank you for reading,
Docandwriter
PS: To find out more about myself (Docandwriter), you can listen to my forthcoming podcasts on my website.
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Joe Flow:
I'm starting a new coaching program designed to speed the process of overcoming social fears and self imposed limitations. So many guys out there, and in the community in particular have a lot of bad habits and childhood mannerisms that they carry on to their adult life. These come from unconscious beliefs and memories that run their lives. I believe working to improve these issues should be tackled from both sides. On the one hand, I'm going to talk to guys about their belief system and self images. On the other, I'll comment on different things that they do, like body language, voice inflections, and facial expressions that betray these beliefs. I believe that is the best way to bring these hidden beliefs up to the surface which is the most important and most difficult step on the way to dealing with them.
My program is going to be very cheap for the time being, at least until I get some good testimonials to back me up. Since this is coaching and not a "weekend of partying", you have to live in or close to Manhattan. I'm going to have one hour long meetings in which we talk, walk around, do basic communication exercises, and later on, approach and talk to women ("day game"). After every meeting, you will get a few simple, or not so simple body language and mental exercises and "missions" that you will have to carry out before the next time we meet, in addition to new things to keep in mind about how you come across and communicate and about what goes on in your head.
If you are interested, email me at free2bu@fastmail.fm, and I will send you a short questionnaire to find out whether or not I think I can help you. If yes, the first meeting will be FREE, and no commitment on your part will be required. After that, for the time being, every meeting will cost $50. I make no flashy promises. I'm aiming for a PROCESS, not a magic bullet.
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Giuseppe Notte:
http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/ - Giuseppe Notte's ALL ABOUT WOMEN: The Encyclopedia Of Seduction EOS is a new product covering the topic of seduction from A to Z. This 100 pages e-book is ideal both for newbies and more experienced guys willing to improve weaker points of their game. The book is split into 6 bigger parts:
1. Being a woman Learn how women think and understand the "logic" behind their actions.
2. How to be the Man Part two is about the attitude. You can attract women just with your presence, by becoming a "real Man". Avoid the most common mistakes men make and learn valuable tips on body language, dressing and improving the overall quality of your life.
3. The first step: meeting girls Overcome your fear of approaching women and open girls anytime, anywhere without excuses. With the powerful techniques in the book, you won't have to memorize any "canned" routines or NLP patterns.
4. Second step: from the first date to having sex Get from the first date to the girl's bed easily. Don't be stressed anymore on when and how to kiss your girl or where to take her. You will learn step-by-step instructions for each phase.
5. Third step: keeping a relationship The secrets of keeping a long, rewarding relationship, or multiple relationships at the same time. You choose.
6. Sex Overcome your problems, improve your sexual life, become multi-orgasmic and turn into an irresistible lover.
For more information, visit http://www.seduction-and-dating.com/seduction/.
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CEIC: Sickboy and Playboy (Mike and Stephen from the DYD interview series) have launched "Cutting-Edge Image Consulting" ( http://www.ceimageconsulting.com ). They offer exclusive, one-on-one programs in New York City. Also, they offer a 7-Day Audio Program which covers the following topics:
- A groundbreaking 3 point structure that serves as a roadmap to any successful interaction.
- The two most powerful qualities women are drawn to, and how you can learn to use them with shocking effect
- We go over the subtleties of female psychology and why it is absolutely necessary to do THREE things when meeting a new woman…do you know what they are?
- We disclose the secret of "hooking" - what it means and how to do it with shocking efficiency.
- We uncover a key language skill that can build fascination in any woman, ANYTIME. This skill is critical when building connections, which lead into relationships.
- Devastatingly effective conversational openers and lines.
- How to bait ANY woman into a conversation so that within minutes she is dying to know YOU.
- We list the EXACT places to go where you can meet women with the greatest probability of success. Stop wasting your time in the wrong venues for YOU.
- We teach you how to be the center of attention and the life of the party within SECONDS of meeting complete strangers.
- Learn which conversational topics are fascinating to women. Never be boring again.
- We provide a clear definition of relationships, and why some work and some don't. We give you clear-cut ways to improve all of your relationships TODAY.
- There are three different ways to engage women in conversation when you are socializing. These three are based on the three different environments that exist socially. Do you know what they are? We teach you on Day II of the program.
- We teach you the FASTEST way to begin conversations in ANY environment.
- Learn how to counter the most common rejection phrases from women - NEVER be shot down again.
- We outline the aspects of a successful mindset, and we then lead you through a clear and concise exercise to attain that attitude for yourself.
- MASTER the art of flirting.
- We instantly improve your body language and tonality with simple, clear advice never heard anywhere before.
- We give you a SIMPLE way to ALWAYS be relaxed and comfortable before approaching and engaging women in conversation.
- We have an entire CD which guides you through a step-by-step process for creating a timeline that helps you get back on track in EVERY area of your life. We have a solid system for bringing you in touch with what success means to you, and then developing a timeline - a plan - for success. Our aim is to help your dreams become a reality.
Check out their website today at: http://www.ceimageconsulting.com
Here are some recent seminar testimonials for CEIC.
In short, our work focuses on a man’s "image", meaning his
presentation not only in style and fashion, but also in word and
energy (vibe). The latter are far more challenging and compelling
to me. The greatest hurdles to success is our INTERNAL
framework of images of ourselves and others. I prescribe no
shortcuts to success, but I do outline a fairly rigorous and demanding
practice for guys to rewire these beliefs in order to be empowering
and healthy. We DO cover the essentials on approaching, flirting,
teasing, storytelling, frame control etc – we have streamlined this
discussion to only include the imperatives. Our belief is that without
a very solid understanding of female/male energy dynamic and
psychology – stemming from years of evolutionary research and study –
a guy stands very little chance of REAL understanding which can lead
to healthy, sustainable relationships.
In other words, time to step into the REAL fire…
I’ll let the students take it from here. Here are views from two guys who
attended the December program:
"Imagine this: you're a regular guy... maybe late 20s, 30s, or even
40s. You're smart enough but you're not Einstein. Neither are you
Tom Cruise, but you also see guys who are no smarter, richer, or
better looking having an easier time with women. Maybe you're someone
who really wants a monogamous relationship with a woman, but you
don't want to just "settle." You want someone terrific, a woman who
"gets you," who you think is really sexy and, just as important,
finds you really sexy. You want to be able to spark the desire that
serves you, and inspires other people. Or maybe you're someone who
thinks you'd like multiple relationships, but while you can imagine
it, making it happen is as elusive as water in the desert. Well, it
strikes me that Stephen and Michael are teaching skills that are
relevant, memorable, and easy to use, rather than asking you to
memorize series of monologues or even gestures,
Without giving away their secrets, let's just say that you walk in on
Saturday. You're curious, a bit nervous, and also just wondering what
you'll gain. You walk out on Sunday with one over-riding sense.
Excitement. Because you have a tool set that is easy to put into
action. That skill set is not based on changing yourself. It's based
on tapping into who you are as a man. It leverages your own
experiences, stories, and inclinations. You work on creating a vision
of the type of women you genuinely desire, and also the type of man
you want to be in the world. In a sense, these guys collaborate with
you to build your own dream house, helping map out the blueprint to
actually construct it. Only what you're building is not a house. It's
the best aspect of who you are. And it's no dream. It's for real.
Stephen and Michael work through that design and construction process
with you, as coaches as well as teachers.
The process teaches "smarts," but it's smarts about who you are, can
be, and want to purse. They also lead you through a series of
exercizes to put all that into action. Yes, it's challenging. But
it's also a lot of fun. I saw the results immediately that first
night hanging with another member of the class. I have read a bunch
of material from other experts, and can say honestly that these guys
are up to those standards. They're original, doing more than
rehashing what exists, and giving their own perspective in ways that
are relevant and actionable. They're also fun to work with and, as I
mentioned to them from a marketing standpoint, they could be charging
a bunch more for their workshops. It's a great way to propel a guy
forward.
JF
NYC"
Or:
"I'd like to praise Stephen of Cutting Edge Image Consultants for
a great two day seduction workshop last weekend (Dec 10th & 11th)
It was a thoughtful, concise and comprehensive program for meeting
women, having successful first and second dates, and keeping them
interested for the long term.
His approach is very organic. He's developed a way for men to be
genuinely charming all while being their real selves. One of his many
techniques is called Baiting. It's a highly effective tool when approaching
women cold and gets many more positive responses. Baiting allows
you have plenty of interesting things to say to a woman you've never
met before without having to resort to corny pickup lines and rote
exercises. The last half of Sunday was a great education in clothing
and fashion tips and how it can powerfully aid the seduction process.
Going one step further his teachings have a healthy component to it.
They are evocative of David Deida, Michael Meade and Robert Bly
(who are the leading authors about men's issues) and encourage a
man to find and nurture his true masculinity. In fact he believes that
success with women is hinged on a man moving toward his
best self in all areas of his life such as health, finances, spirituality and
relationships. Try just one of his programs and I guarantee he'll be
your favorite seduction coach.
Although the seminar stands on it's own, it was a great complement
to the one-on-one training I'd received two months ago ("Afternoons with Stephen".)
I got a chance to digest more deeply his overall philosophy and techniques."
JC
NYC
We have a page solely devoted to the program where you can read more about it, and sign-up.
Here is the link:
http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/seminar.html
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Scot McKay is a dating coach in San Antonio, TX and founder of X & Y Communications, a one-stop-shop for dating resources. Sign up for his free newsletter at: http://www.deservewhatyouwant.com/ .
He is the author of the book "Deserve What You Want", which focuses on becoming the best partner you can be NOW instead of sitting around "waiting for someone to come along".
His next book, "Cook For Your Date" uniquely combines culinary tips and recipes with a wealth of strategy designed to help you maximize attraction and overall chemistry when planning a romantic evening for two. ( http://www.romantic-dinner.com/ )
In addition, Scot has produced the world’s first audio program designed specifically to increase success with women for men who are shorter than average. ( http://www.nottooshort.com/ )
His latest venture, DateToOrder ( http://www.datetoorder.com ), bridges the gap between profile-based dating sites and matchmaking services. DateToOrder helps you inexpensively and effectively cut down on BAD first dates…dramatically.
Scot and his fiancée Emily host the popular podcast series "X & Y On The Fly" which is now listened to on six continents. You can subscribe for FREE at http://feeds.feedburner.com/xyonthefly .
Coaching sessions and online profile overhauls famously come with a 100% money back guarantee. Scot makes it a point to be refreshingly approachable and available may be reached via email at scot@datetoorder.com or via worldwide voice-over-IP on Skype as "scotmckay". Initial consultations via email or Skype are free of charge. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.songsofseduction.com
A full rock music album created for the purpose of seduction is finally available! These 10 songs have been arranged to create rapport, capture and lead her imagination, start the attraction process, and ultimately GET HER IN THE SACK! State of the art NLP combined with hypnotic but rockin' music leads her through the seduction process for you. Best of all, it looks like a regular pop-rock album and sounds like the best alt rock on the air! The lyrics have been painstakingly written by NLP
programmers, and the music was recorded by world-class recording artists, using the latest in persuasion techniques together with rhythmic emotional influence technology.
Get yours today, and get laid tonight!
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http://www.datinghelpformen.com is a website designed by a guy who at one time had limited success with women. He posts what he learned there, from his mistakes and errors to his successes. They will be dealt with step by step so that you can repeat his achievement without replicating the miscalculations. This site is for beginners but if any of you pros would like to join the site and help out that would be great (and of course in return those of you with products will get great link placement)
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Check out the 'supermarket of seduction' at http://www.seductionpro.com. Lots of interesting products to look into.
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Impact Interaction (http://www.impactinteraction.com) @ London
Angel Caido, RyobI and Lockstock have been running Workshops and Seminars in London since the beginning of the year. The workshops are small in size (trainer : student ratio of 2:1 as max), so students get personal attention on sticking points.
The workshops include:
- Basejump: For approach newbies who need to get internal game and basic attraction skills in gear
- Field Interaction: To perfect your bar/ club and street performance
- Solid Game: Everything good except lots of flakes? Few end results? End to end game sticking points covered…
For more information go to http://www.impactinteraction.com or contact them @ contact@impactinteraction.com.
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To reach Cameron Teone and Seth Parker please go to http://www.buildattraction.com or you can email Cameron at CameronTeone@yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ranko:
Want to leave a stunning impression when you see her: on the street, at work, on a party?
Then come to The Instant Date 101 Workshop by http://www.attractanddate.com/.
3 days of both day and night action
We made a special newsletter for those interested in workshops, where we teach you by Video Clips
the workshop secrets: 30 min of video content, several video testimonials and more! Even if you can ’ t
make it to the workshop the clips will be a great help to you!
http://www.attractanddate.com/
Watch Ranko (aka Shark) explain stopping her and the famous "I like you " opening line and dating her.
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Flirting Weekend London -
Learn how to develop immense pulling power in every aspect of your life!
"Flirting isn't just about impressing the opposite sex and picking up a partner, it's about getting on with people", says Peta Heskell, the founder of Britain's only Flirting Academy. "Great flirts do it with everyone -flirt that is!" Flirting is a way of interacting with people that makes it fun and easy to connect with them and makes them want to be with you. Become super sexy, develop your conversation power, boost your confidence, courage and self esteem and find out how to approach strangers and feel good. You may be looking for love, want to make more friends or improve the way you interact with people in general.
Flirt with life. Flirt for love. Flirt for fun. Flirt for success.
Please call 02476 541 164 and speak to Gerry and Jenn who will be happy to answer any questions and take your bookings ;-))
For more information about the Flirting Weekend, contact LifeTalks - tel. 0117 973 1010, email info@lifetalks.co.uk or visit http://www.lifetalks.co.uk For more information about the Flirting Weekend in London and other workshops with Peta, contact The Attraction Academy tel. 0700 4 354 784 or
visit http://www.attractionacademy.com/
Peta Heskell - Director of Possibility
Flirting and Attraction Academy
Develop immense Pulling Power in all areas of your life
http://www.getresponse.com/t/789401
CONTACTS
Tel: 0700 4 354 784
Talk Talk: 0208 979 2994
Tel Intl: + 447770 741 323
Mobile/Cell: 07770 741 323
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Have you ever asked yourself...
* What does it take to make a woman feel totally comfortable making out with me - even if she barely knows me?
* How do I get women to WANT to sleep with me? After all, what good are all those "bedroom techniques" I learned if I don't even know how to get her back to my bedroom in the first place?
* Why do women melt around some guys, but they are totally unresponsive to me? What do they have that I don't?
Wouldn't it be nice if you knew a guaranteed way to "get physical" with any woman you go out with? Have you ever been on a date with a woman, and wondered *how* you can start "making out" with her? (by making out, I mean kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.)
Jason King has just released a not new report that will teach you everything you need to know about getting *close* to a woman on a date.
Jason is an absolute master at making out with a woman on the first date. Whenever he goes out with a woman, he seems to put them under some kind of "love spell", and they want to make out with him more and more as the date progresses. By the end of the date, the women usually invent all kinds of excuses to invite him back to their place.
There is NO other person out there who is teaching these skills. If you've ever wanted to learn how to make out with a woman on the FIRST date... not weeks or months later... you MUST check out his site.
http://www.MakeoutMastery.com/
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Step by Step Threesomes
Hey, check out Suzy Bauer's site and her e-book (we need a review, so someone get this and let us know what you think) about creating threesomes. Suzy is an attractive married bi-sexual woman who says that her e-book will show you what to do to create threesomes, how to overcome resistance and how no one can tell you how to do this better than a woman. http://www.stepbystepthreesome.com/
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"Seduction Tips-Seduce the woman for you today"
http://www.pmmarketing.org/seductiontips.htm
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Maximillian Hell:
I have a PU journal up on livejournal. Right now it's mostly just a record of my sarges--but comments are welcome.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/maximillianhell
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Visit these sites (and give me your comments on their products):
http://www.sexualrapportmodeling.com/jump.php?a=2350 (site is either inactive or no longer relevant)
http://www.seductionformula.com
http://www.thejamesmethod.com/
http://www.SeductionGuide.net/
http://www.sensualitysecrets.com/
http://www.datinghelpformen.com http://www.lady-killing.com
Gunwitch has also entered the commercial game. Go to: http://www.dynamicsexlife.com/
http://www.sexgodsecrets.com/get.php
Someone needs to check this site and its products out also: http://mensniche.com/hit.php?w=101973&s=4&p=2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Return of The Bishop
After a 4 year absence, Bishop is back with his latest seduction product called, "The Fire of Seduction."
Now, no matter who you are, there is way to be NATURALLY seductive around women! There is a way to move past whatever has ever stood in your way! There is a way to at last get the kind of seduction success that has so far eluded you. That way, is "The Fire of Seduction."
In fact, Bishop is SO confident about his latest creation, he's giving a FULL YEAR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!! You have everything to gain!
Here's just a sample of what awaits you:
* The Four Horsemen of Seduction -
Finally! The simple 4-step process that makes ALL seduction work!
* 'Phanting -
This strangely named chapter AT LAST reveals how to tell what kind of woman you're approaching, BEFORE YOU EVEN SAY A WORD TO HER!
* Advertising to Women -
Learn what advertisers have spent BILLIONS on to influence women, and how YOU can use it in seduction!
* Detached Presence -
Simply put, it's how to be miles away and STILL have her suddenly think about you, as if you're in the room with her!
* Tests, Games, and Positioning for Power -
The "behind her walls" secrets on the things she is trying to test you on, and you likely never even knew it! (Plus, how to use it right back on her!)
* The Positive Side of "Let's Just Be Friends" -
How being "just friends" can actually ACCELERATE your seduction success!
* Thinking Differently -
This chapter takes some commonly held beliefs about what it takes to seduce women, and shatters it!
There is so much more that awaits you, in this 330 page e-book, with nearly 7 HOURS OF AUDIO FILES!
And remember, there is a FULL YEAR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, so you have every reason to BUY RIGHT NOW!
Bishop's new site can be visited by going here: http://payloadz.com/go/jump?id=100276&a=cliff@costech.com
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Daniel:
If you are looking for a wing and you are a guy from Romania, you can check on our forums at http://www.seductierapida.ro/forum and you might find one.
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Carlos Xuma:
Time is running short for all of us, no matter how young or old you are. Don't waste precious years learning by trial and error (and most likely not at all). Get the information on how to improve your dating life TODAY. Make the changes you need to make to get the love, s*ex, and relationships that you want and DESERVE to have. cliffslist.datingdyn.hop.clickbank.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A few sites to check out:
Mike PilinskI is the author of "Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward's Totally Fearless Seduction System"... a unique method of meeting girls that will have you making up for wasted time spent living in shy-guy hell from the very first moment you test it out. Check it Out Here => http://www.highstatusmale.com/.
David Wygant (http://www.whatsyourexcuse.com & http://www.mydatingagent.com).
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Erick Kand has a new website that showcases Hypnosis Stage Shows for fun and entertainment: http://www.HypnosisEvents.com
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The Foundations of Seduction
Hi, you know something? When it comes to seductionhey, when it comes to ANYTHING--how you feel has a huge impact on the results you get. But the way you feel doesn’t have to be determined by your surroundings, your expectations, others’ behavior, or the tides and stars. You can guide your own feelings. By doing so, you can adjust and enhance your results. You can replace frustration with the satisfaction of tangy, blood-red, salty-sweet resolve. When you can change the way you feel, you can change what you experience… and what you encounter… and then the world stands revealed as something you yourself partially create. Sometimes, to begin claiming the victories you deserve, all you need is a simple little tool: a way of channeling your own emotions. A way of tapping your inner fire. A way of taking that inner fire, and letting it melt your external obstacles. A way of changing all that you feel, about all that you experience. Of course, you may not need or want such a tool. For some, the ability to guide and drive one’s own emotional experience is pretty basic stuff. Some people shrug off rejection, feel wonderful almost all the time, and easily attain their goals. If that’s true for you, and you don’t think you can add to your abilitywell, you may be right. In that case, my new CD may not be for you. On the other hand, should you want a tool meant to ease the transition to seductive success… to productive success… to any kind of success, maybe this new CD can be of use to you. It’s called "Foundations of Seduction". You can get it for $29.97 plus $5 Priority Mail s/h, by going here: http://www.sexualkey.com/ Just enter "$34.97" into the FlexPay box and then email me at info@sexualkey.com with your shipping address and a note that you’ve ordered "Foundations of Seduction". If you’re outside the U.S., please add an additional $5 for shipping. Have fun! JD http://www.sexualkey.com/
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"FREEDOM WITH WOMEN" SEMINAR DATES
Ron Louis and David Copeland have been doing several boot camp style one-on-one courses.
Contact Ron Louis: ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com or contact davidc@howtosucceedwithwomen.com
To find out more about the "Freedom with Women" seminar, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/fww5.html
HOW TO SUCCEED WITH WOMEN Ron Louis and David Copeland have their Mastery Program Tape series available. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes. http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
1. You can receive a series of audio programs from the "Freedom With Women" seminar. This audio is not available anywhere else!
2. You'll get valuable email summations of these audio programs to "lock in" the learning and help you take action.
3. You'l get other special email lessons from the "Freedom with Women" seminar, all about finally having real freedom with the women you desire.
To get the free course, go to http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com/workshops/free-audio.html
For more info, get in touch with them through their site, http://howtosucceedwithwomen.com/
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Advanced Macking:
In case you want a step by step guide on how to get into one-night stands, check out Anthony Berger's Advanced Macking manual. What makes it unique is that it is engineered towards making it happen the same night you meet them. To learn how to persuade women back to your pad, check out his site: http://www.advancedmacking.com/Discount.htm
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Michael:
If you want to improve both your pick up game and your understanding of women on a deeper level, you've got to come out to my Dating Wizard Live Seminars in Toronto. It is two FULL days of non-stop IMMERSION - including a live pick-up component - giving you a whopping,eye-opening insight into how to be successful with women on a whole new level.
And if you haven't downloaded my eBook, "The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women", then that's the place to get started.
Inside, I explain step-by-step how to approach women, how to get instant dates, how to get physical, and how to sustain her interest if you desire a relationship. Best of all, you won't have to be a jerk to OUTDO the jerks!
Check out The Dating Wizard's new site and Seduction Mastery Apprenticeship Program at: http://www.thedatingwizard.com/
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FREE HYPNOSIS MINI-TUTORIAL
The UltimateSeduction Yahoo group, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/ is sponsoring a free one-month mini-tutorial on Conversational Hypnosis. This tutorial, presented by the hypnotist Archangel, is sectioned off into five parts:
1. Trance Words
2. Rapport
3. Persuasion Anchoring
4. Pacing, &
5. Leading
Although less than halfway through, members are reporting some highly entertaining, and some startling, success stories. The UltimateSeduction group has the advantage of having more than a few women on-list, enabling members to get some very pointed straight talk on their techniques. There is nothing to memorize - only a handful of very simple, and very effective, techniques. The group is gaining about 200 new members a week and is lightly moderated.
Anyone may join the tutorial at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction/
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