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aphaia at gmail

Oct 25, 2008, 10:06 AM

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Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats

Hello
can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November 7.

I would like to get:
* Attendee stats
- the total attendee number
- attendees by continent
- attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
- if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
- if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship

* Budget
- Total budget
- The sum of scholarship, if possible

URLs will be appreciated, if available.
Thanks!



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Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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aphaia at gmail

Oct 26, 2008, 5:30 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

Update:
I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
nationality yet.

Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
in the next week.

Cheers,

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
> can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
> I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November 7.
>
> I would like to get:
> * Attendee stats
> - the total attendee number
> - attendees by continent
> - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
> - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
> - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
>
> * Budget
> - Total budget
> - The sum of scholarship, if possible
>
> URLs will be appreciated, if available.
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>



--
KIZU Naoko
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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effeietsanders at gmail

Oct 26, 2008, 5:32 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?

Lodewijk

2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>

> Update:
> I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
> nationality yet.
>
> Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
> can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
> in the next week.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello
> > can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
> > I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November 7.
> >
> > I would like to get:
> > * Attendee stats
> > - the total attendee number
> > - attendees by continent
> > - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
> > - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
> > - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
> >
> > * Budget
> > - Total budget
> > - The sum of scholarship, if possible
> >
> > URLs will be appreciated, if available.
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > KIZU Naoko
> > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>


samuel.shapiro at earthlink

Oct 26, 2008, 5:32 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

How do I get off this mailing list?
----- Original Message -----
From: effe iets anders
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats


Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?

Lodewijk


2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>

Update:
I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
nationality yet.

Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
in the next week.

Cheers,


On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
> can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
> I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November 7.
>
> I would like to get:
> * Attendee stats
> - the total attendee number
> - attendees by continent
> - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
> - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
> - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
>
> * Budget
> - Total budget
> - The sum of scholarship, if possible
>
> URLs will be appreciated, if available.
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>



--
KIZU Naoko
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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mbimmler at gmail

Oct 26, 2008, 5:54 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Samuel Shapiro
<samuel.shapiro[at]earthlink.net> wrote:
> How do I get off this mailing list?
>

Go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/options/wikimania-l , enter
email address and password (if you set one) and click "Unsubscribe"
which is the second button, beneath "Log in"

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aphaia at gmail

Oct 27, 2008, 11:13 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, effe iets anders
<effeietsanders[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?

Yeah: comparing these two stats (on Survey page and from BA) I am a
bit confused.
* BA stats says 346 Egyptians registered and 187 foreigners (non-Egyptian)
** 346 + 187 = 635
* .. and that 245 Egyptian ppl of attendance along Media, On site reg.
and Volunteers etc.
* As well 157 foreigner attendance and 20 on site reg.
* Total of those various attendance num. is 422 Egp. + 177 For. = 599 ppl.
* Survey says 625 people attended.

....?


> Lodewijk
>
> 2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>
>>
>> Update:
>> I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
>> nationality yet.
>>
>> Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
>> can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
>> in the next week.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello
>> > can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
>> > I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November
>> > 7.
>> >
>> > I would like to get:
>> > * Attendee stats
>> > - the total attendee number
>> > - attendees by continent
>> > - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
>> > - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
>> > - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
>> >
>> > * Budget
>> > - Total budget
>> > - The sum of scholarship, if possible
>> >
>> > URLs will be appreciated, if available.
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > KIZU Naoko
>> > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
>> > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> KIZU Naoko
>> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
>> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimania-l mailing list
>> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>



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KIZU Naoko
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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newsmarkie at googlemail

Oct 27, 2008, 11:18 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, effe iets anders
> <effeietsanders[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?
>
> Yeah: comparing these two stats (on Survey page and from BA) I am a
> bit confused.
> * BA stats says 346 Egyptians registered and 187 foreigners (non-Egyptian)
> ** 346 + 187 = 635

err yeah that would be 533



>
> * .. and that 245 Egyptian ppl of attendance along Media, On site reg.
> and Volunteers etc.
> * As well 157 foreigner attendance and 20 on site reg.
> * Total of those various attendance num. is 422 Egp. + 177 For. = 599 ppl.
>
where did 422 come from?


>
> * Survey says 625 people attended.


is this attended or did the survey?

>
>
> ....?
>
>
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Update:
> >> I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
> >> nationality yet.
> >>
> >> Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
> >> can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
> >> in the next week.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hello
> >> > can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
> >> > I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on November
> >> > 7.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to get:
> >> > * Attendee stats
> >> > - the total attendee number
> >> > - attendees by continent
> >> > - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
> >> > - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
> >> > - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
> >> >
> >> > * Budget
> >> > - Total budget
> >> > - The sum of scholarship, if possible
> >> >
> >> > URLs will be appreciated, if available.
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > KIZU Naoko
> >> > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> KIZU Naoko
> >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikimania-l mailing list
> >> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimania-l mailing list
> > Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>


aphaia at gmail

Oct 27, 2008, 11:23 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Mark (Markie)
<newsmarkie[at]googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, effe iets anders
>> <effeietsanders[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?
>>
>> Yeah: comparing these two stats (on Survey page and from BA) I am a
>> bit confused.
>> * BA stats says 346 Egyptians registered and 187 foreigners (non-Egyptian)
>> ** 346 + 187 = 635
>
> err yeah that would be 533

Eh, thanks.
>
>>
>> * .. and that 245 Egyptian ppl of attendance along Media, On site reg.
>> and Volunteers etc.
>> * As well 157 foreigner attendance and 20 on site reg.
>> * Total of those various attendance num. is 422 Egp. + 177 For. = 599
>> ppl.
>
> where did 422 come from?
The report says:
-----
Egyptians Attendance 245
Egyptian Media 87
Egyptians On site reg 86
Egyptian Volunteers 40
Egyptian scholarships 50
-----
so total: 422


>>
>> * Survey says 625 people attended.
>
> is this attended or did the survey?

It reads attended. "Wikimania 2008 Alexandria was attended by 625
people from around the world. The survey invitations were sent to 303
Wikimedians ..."
http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey

>>
>> ....?
>>
>>
>> > Lodewijk
>> >
>> > 2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Update:
>> >> I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
>> >> nationality yet.
>> >>
>> >> Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not yet,
>> >> can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
>> >> in the next week.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hello
>> >> > can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
>> >> > I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on
>> >> > November
>> >> > 7.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to get:
>> >> > * Attendee stats
>> >> > - the total attendee number
>> >> > - attendees by continent
>> >> > - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
>> >> > - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
>> >> > - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
>> >> >
>> >> > * Budget
>> >> > - Total budget
>> >> > - The sum of scholarship, if possible
>> >> >
>> >> > URLs will be appreciated, if available.
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > KIZU Naoko
>> >> > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
>> >> > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> KIZU Naoko
>> >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
>> >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Wikimania-l mailing list
>> >> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wikimania-l mailing list
>> > Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> KIZU Naoko
>> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
>> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimania-l mailing list
>> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>



--
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http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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amkoraiem at gmail

Oct 27, 2008, 11:48 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008 Attendee stats [In reply to]

also some of the attendees registered on-site and i doubt that all of them
were entered into the database,,also some of the attendees only attended for
one or two days,so we can't make a totally accurate number...

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Mark (Markie)
> <newsmarkie[at]googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM, effe iets anders
> >> <effeietsanders[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Did you already find http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey ?
> >>
> >> Yeah: comparing these two stats (on Survey page and from BA) I am a
> >> bit confused.
> >> * BA stats says 346 Egyptians registered and 187 foreigners
> (non-Egyptian)
> >> ** 346 + 187 = 635
> >
> > err yeah that would be 533
>
> Eh, thanks.
> >
> >>
> >> * .. and that 245 Egyptian ppl of attendance along Media, On site reg.
> >> and Volunteers etc.
> >> * As well 157 foreigner attendance and 20 on site reg.
> >> * Total of those various attendance num. is 422 Egp. + 177 For. = 599
> >> ppl.
> >
> > where did 422 come from?
> The report says:
> -----
> Egyptians Attendance 245
> Egyptian Media 87
> Egyptians On site reg 86
> Egyptian Volunteers 40
> Egyptian scholarships 50
> -----
> so total: 422
>
>
> >>
> >> * Survey says 625 people attended.
> >
> > is this attended or did the survey?
>
> It reads attended. "Wikimania 2008 Alexandria was attended by 625
> people from around the world. The survey invitations were sent to 303
> Wikimedians ..."
> http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey
>
> >>
> >> ....?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Lodewijk
> >> >
> >> > 2008/10/26 Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Update:
> >> >> I had some contacts with data thanksfully but no attendee stats by
> >> >> nationality yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Does registration team have such I assume. Mido? Delphine? If not
> yet,
> >> >> can anyone please make it up? It is not urgent since my talk will be
> >> >> in the next week.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Aphaia <aphaia[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello
> >> >> > can anyone please give stats of Wikimania 2008?
> >> >> > I would like to get it for my presentation on a local conf on
> >> >> > November
> >> >> > 7.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would like to get:
> >> >> > * Attendee stats
> >> >> > - the total attendee number
> >> >> > - attendees by continent
> >> >> > - attendees by nationality (top 5 or so)
> >> >> > - if missed on the above, local attendees (i.e. of Egypt)
> >> >> > - if possible, the number of attendees who got scholarship
> >> >> >
> >> >> > * Budget
> >> >> > - Total budget
> >> >> > - The sum of scholarship, if possible
> >> >> >
> >> >> > URLs will be appreciated, if available.
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > KIZU Naoko
> >> >> > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> >> > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> KIZU Naoko
> >> >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Wikimania-l mailing list
> >> >> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Wikimania-l mailing list
> >> > Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> KIZU Naoko
> >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikimania-l mailing list
> >> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimania-l mailing list
> > Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)
> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimania-l mailing list
> Wikimania-l[at]lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>

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