Firefox Pirates Take Over Amazon (torrentfreak.com)
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These guys are so full of shit:
“This artistic project addresses the topic of current media distribution models vs. current culture and technical possibilities.”
I know this maybe a little tongue in cheek, but these guys aren't about anything other than stealing shit. I'm ok with that, but be honest about it. Don't pretend it's anything else. Amazon is the one service you can get DRM free music so all these people who complain about that and then steal from the one company that listened to them are also full of shit. Go steal from itunes or napster or some other DRM ridden beast.
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trannypunk 22ポイント 1日 前[-]
So if I download a song from thepiratebay I am stealing from Amazon?
No. The point he's making is that a major argument for piracy used to be that there was no way to legally and easily acquire digital DRM-free music. Now, there is, thanks in large part to Amazon, which offers tons of DRM-free MP3s and makes it quite easy to buy them.
Of course you can make other arguments in favor of piracy. But I would agree with the OP that, at this point, it's mainly about the money.
It isn't JUST MP3s that are easily available. Blockbuster just came out with a service that will stream any movie for a 1.99. Granted that you don't get to own it and play it over and over so you have to pay each time. But it IS extremely convenient so it circles back to being about the money.
For MP3s I don't think there is any "moral" cover anymore. 99 cents is NOT a lot of money to pay for an MP3 that you have access to for the rest of your life. The industry totally caved to virtually every reasonable requirement that the pirates had laid out. Of course they'll keep moving the bar because the objection always was about wanting everything AND getting it for free. So now they pirate because they can't get oggs. Whatever.
I suppose there is some cover left for pirating movies because they are still drm'ed to hell and back.
I always tell her that she should learn Usean (Unitedstatian), but hey, learning that freaking language to a moderate level took me 15 years, better to learn a neutral, regular, easy language first.
We buy lots of expensive things that have a lousy trade-in value. You could spend $5,000 carpeting a large home and once that carpet is down it is virtually useless for anything but comforting your footsies.
Perhaps a better example is plastic surgery because that likely won't have a monetary value--ever.
I'm just saying we do buy things just because we want to have them and not because we want to have an investment that we can later trade.
If you calculate the man hours it took to create 12,000 songs (from concept to finished product) you'll see that many more of them were put into your mp3 collection than in your car.
Considering the amount of hours involved, you are probably getting them pretty cheap (if you had paid for them).
atara_x_ia 0ポイント 1日 前[-]
First, there's still no way to buy decent .ogg's, which is higher-quality than .mp3. Second, that's always been one of the weaker arguments against copyprivilege.
It actually was a pretty strong argument for piracy, until it was made obsolete. I agree that there are plenty of other arguments to be made.
I remember seeing a listening test that showed that people generally couldn't distinguish between ogg, mp3, aac, wma, etc. But I can't find it now, so I guess this post isn't worth too much.
I would love to use ogg not for quality, but because it is completely patent-free. In practice I have all my music as mp3 because it plays everywhere.
theplanetsaturn 10ポイント 1日 前[-]
Then buy the CD.
theplanetsaturn 0ポイント 20時間 前* [-]
Do you demand that everything in life be tailored to your specific tastes? If you don't care for the majority of the material, don't buy the album. But to be clear, that your disinterest in some of the content isn't reasonable justification for taking any part of it for free.
I'm including software of any kind, published books and music.. Patent laws in general probably aren't necessary.
Proponents of IP law always bring up how important patents and copyrights are to motivate creativity, but we were making music and writing interesting things for millennia before anyone even thought of 'copyright', and invention has been going on even longer.
People need to stop pretending that the way things are is the only viable way they could be.
ForgotOldUsername 3ポイント 1日 前[-]
It was quite difficult to duplicate a book before the printing press appeared.
I can't say I've thought too much about patents, but, as for copyrights, I figure we'd be better off without them, or at least with greatly reduced terms of length. I blame copyright for a great glut of the mass-produced crap that is filling the world today. Without copyright, it would be much more difficult to make money from creative endeavors, true. Which means the people interested in making money will go elsewhere and leave the creative arts to those people who are actually driven to share their imaginative ideas with the world.
mistermoxy 0ポイント 1日 前[-]
Can I have your social security number then?
mistermoxy 4ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Yeah, I know it was a lame argument. I just haven't met my straw man quotient for the day.
interstate 3ポイント 1日 前[-]
No, you are stealing from me. I am willing to overlook your future indiscretions if you pay me $0.50 for every violation. I accept cash and paypal.
trannypunk 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
child. ha.
I doubt the browser add on hurts Amazon. Chances are that Joe Consumer is NOT going to know about or install it.
Joe Pirate, however, will and can, but Joe P is already a pirate.
I think what you said is the point of my OP. Obviously Joe the Consumer doesn't use the Pirate Bay. But Joe the Pirate who often uses issues like DRM as an excuse to just take what he wants is hurting the one website that actually listened to his concerns and offers DRM free music. If a company treats you like a criminal coughEAcough then I have no issue in acting like a criminal. However if a company listened to your wants and treats you like an adult, we shouldn't punish them. That's just my view. People are going to do what they want obviously. I actually enjoy buying music from Amazon because they offer DRM free music.
To "steal shit" one can use Pirate Bay already, and connection with Amazon website isn't needed at all.
However this plugin is a pretty strong statement about cultural clash.
This is thought provoking. To someone who only considered Amazon as source of media, it could be eye opening how huge PirateBay is and that vast amounts of media can be downloaded for free.
It's not that far from an art project. "Firefox plugin" is an unusual medium, but art has seen weirder things.
As an art project it's pretty goddamn pointless, since it directly references a site that already is the counterpoint it only claims to be. Lots of pirate bay entries will supply links to Amazon as references to what's in the torrent, so it has that angle covered as well.
It's really just an ad for another art project, at most.
humanbruenig 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
You sir are missing the point of designating it that way. If your project becomes an artistic expression about the nature of media distribution, it is speech, not piracy enabling. Hopefully you can understand why labelling it as such might be a good idea for future defense purposes.
FrankBattaglia 5ポイント 1日 前[-]
If your project becomes an artistic expression about the nature of media distribution, it is speech, not piracy enabling.
In theory. The code-is-speech argument has not been sufficiently tested to rely upon it as your only defense. What commentary has been given from the courts tends to look at the argument negatively.
You are narrow minded. Of course it can be seen as mere modern day stealing. But it also is a sneak peek at the future to come in terms of distribution model and technology.
I'd phrase it like that: What is the difference between what people are going to pick by shopping in traditionnal shopping centers and what people are going to choose by browsing an infinite and non marketing-pushed pool of products?
My bet is that in traditional shopping, the best marketed item wins - while in 'pirate' shopping, the most culturally relevant item wins.
Amazon DRM-free sits somewhat in the middle. The product is far from as polished as physical media/artwork, and also lacks the cultural relevance and community aspect piracy has. Amazon doesn't offer the best of either world.
I don't see how asking for honesty is narrow minded. I am not against bit torrent either.
What is the difference between what people are going to pick by shopping in traditionnal shopping centers and what people are going to choose by browsing an infinite and non marketing-pushed pool of products?
My bet is that in traditional shopping, the best marketed item wins - while in 'pirate' shopping, the most culturally relevant item wins.
I like the question and I agree with your answer. I don't see how hurting the one music distribution service that offers DRM free music relates to what you're saying.
My only point is that I actually buy music from Amazon because it's DRM free. I once bought something from Napster and I can't listen to it any more, which is 100% bull shit. But I was stupid enough to buy a DRM track so that's what I get. Take the reaction to Spore, I am 100% with the pirates on this one, if you put this DRM shit on my computer I am not going to buy your product. There is an actual stance there. But there is no stance against Amazon's DRM free music, it's just people taking music because they don't want to pay for it. If that's what you choose to do, hey, more power to you. I'm not stopping you. But be honest about the reality of the situation. Don't come up with some BS reason or justification, just be honest about it.
LingLing1337 3ポイント 1日 前[-]
Downmodded for stolen comments.
FunnyMan3595 2ポイント 22時間 前[-]
Downmodded for stolen comments.
jokermatt999 17ポイント 1日 前[-]
True, but it's convenient at least.
jokermatt999 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
I love Mininova, but it seems to be down most of the time I look for stuff, so I wind up using TPB anyway.
davy_crockett 12ポイント 1日 前[-]
Having learned my lesson, I had no trouble realizing that a band of web browser pirates did not take control of the entire Amazon rainforest.
Brenbren25 14ポイント 1日 前[-]
oh. not as interesting as i thought. noone hacked amazon. still, a clever little tool, sounds simple enough.
blindflacker 4ポイント 1日 前[-]
Mainstreaming pirating and using Amazon is just plain stupid. Shit like this only brings a crackdown on pirate sites and provides more funding and support for anti-pirating organizations.
ForgotOldUsername 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
This isn't going to increase the crackdown on TPB. The biggest sites are already huge walking targets anyway.
Lurking_Grue 8ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Cool! Now I can conveniently look for my torrents on Amazon.
That's gonna be much easier than just going to the pirate bay.
jperson2007 3ポイント 1日 前[-]
Way to take the economy down even lower, guise! Are you pirates also complaining about how hard it is to find work? How ironic.
So basically, this is an addon for people who are too dumb to know how to pirate shit on their own?
Back in the day you actually had to be smart to get bittorrent working, or access private servers, or what have you. The more stuff like this that comes out, the more people are going to be able to point to the internet as a lawless place where people do what they want without consequence, leading to more network filtering, lawsuits, etc.
I do not approve!
fearsofgun 2ポイント 1日 前* [-]
something about stealing directly from the distributor makes my butt clinch
callsorputs 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
I am all for sharing and the benefits of technology but all things can be taken too far and this may be it. Keep stealing the gas and the bus may not run very well
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identitymatrix 3ポイント 1日 前* [-]
I just got it from here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HIY12O4G
Here is another mirror:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=TTZrblRwTlE5bENGa1E9PQ
Note that the image of the torrent link will fail to load (because it is hot linked from the website which is down), but the link to the torrent still works.
Personally I don't really like it because it just gives you a link to a torrent file, so you can't easily check or compare torrents to see which torrents look authentic or which has the best quality, etc.
thanks. yousendit mirror worked, but i'll mirror it as well, just in case: http://notatoad.net/files/piratesoftheamazon.xpi
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mynameisjonas 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
I've never done anything with bittorrent. How do I get involved? What's a good program to use? any good tutorials out there?
It's really not that difficult to get into it, you just need to get yourself a good client like BitTornado or uTorrent and then you're set, just load up the torrent file and away you go.
If you want to know more about how it works and how you can protect yourself from being tracked down etc., I can't help you too much there but there are quite a few things that turn up in google.
phatangrywiccan 0ポイント 1日 前* [-]
It seems to only work on amazon.com, so if your accustomed to using amazon.co.uk or any of their other domains (not sure, haven't tried) it won't work.
Edit: I've done my own now as a greasemonkey script, it actually puts the whole list (or at least the first pages worth anyway) below the product title.
// ==UserScript==
// @name Pirates of the Amazon (Xkero's Version)
// @namespace xkero
// @description Adds thepiratebay.org torrent links to amazon product pages
// @include http://www.amazon.co.uk/
// @include http://www.amazon.com/
var ptitle = document.getElementById('btAsinTitle');
GM_xmlhttpRequest(
{
method: 'GET',
url: 'http://thepiratebay.org/search/'+ptitle.innerHTML,
headers:
{
'User-agent': 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible) Greasemonkey',
'Accept': 'application/xml,text/xml',
},
onload: function(responseDetails)
{
if(responseDetails.status == 200)
{
var torrentList = document.createElement('div');
torrentList.style.display = 'none';
ptitle.parentNode.insertBefore(torrentList, ptitle.nextSibling);
torrentList.innerHTML = responseDetails.responseText;
torrentList.innerHTML = document.getElementById('main-content').innerHTML.replace(/href=\"\//gi,'href="<http://thepiratebay.org/>');
torrentList.style.display = 'block';
}
}
});
// ==/UserScript==
solatis 186ポイント 1日 前[-]
Yes, I can see it now. "I wanted to buy you a DVD, but here you have a link to the torrent instead. Merry Christmas!"
unchow 80ポイント 1日 前[-]
that was my thought. who the hell is pirating presents? I'll torrent something for myself but if I get a burned CD under the tree of some TV show that I kind of like, in low-res movie files and missing episodes 3,7 and 8, I'm going be a little upset.
You cant even return that crap for store credit.
richard23 130ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Yeah, it's not the thought that counts, it's the raw material goods! Buy me stuff! Buy lots of it! Buy me a cheap DVD default 'present' because you're obligated to by family relationships you didn't choose! Buy buy buy! Just go to Walmart and buy buy buy buy buy! Buy me a scented candle or a picture frame from the "gifts" section at Chapters if you don't know me well enough to get something thoughtful and relevant. Just buy me something! Anything!
As far as I'm concerned if you're not going to get me either a relevant & needed piece of camera equipment (I'm a photographer with a pretty big collection of gear already) or a Porsche (a sailboat would be okay, too), don't bother. It will just be another piece of crap floating around my house until it eventually gets recycled or trashed. Waste of planetary resources.
Humbug!
soapyfish 48ポイント 1日 前[-]
Sorry I couldn't get my up-vote gift wrapped.
sunshine-x 17ポイント 1日 前[-]
And this is exactly why I canceled gifts this (and the last 3) christmases.
We spend time together instead of at the mall. It's much less stressful.
Eso 41ポイント 1日 前[-]
If I may quote Trailer Park boys:
"Christmas isn't about money or toys or getting things. It's about getting drunk and stoned with your friends and family."
blondin 8ポイント 1日 前[-]
And not going to school or work :)
JasonDJ 5ポイント 1日 前[-]
It's your fault the economy is shit!
[/tongue-in-cheek]
000xxx000 4ポイント 23時間 前[-]
or you should stick to a policy of only edible/drinkable presents
Crzwilly 0ポイント 18時間 前[-]
Grannies fruitcake is not what I would consider edible...although it makes for a great gift exchange next day for the in-laws! They don't like me...
unchow 6ポイント 1日 前[-]
oh well I agree, I'm not big on the hoarding of stuff either. I've been getting more into the making things for people kind of present recently.
All I was saying was that the thought of the present seems lessened when you pirate something. I mean, lets be honest, you can get a torrent that is essentially the same thing as what you would get in a store, so the difference isnt that all of a sudden youre not getting a material possession, the difference is that the person had to put minimal effort into getting you a gift. Which makes it like you said: if youre not going to bother making it worth it, then just dont bother at all.
tampico_rush 11ポイント 1日 前[-]
It takes far more effort to spend days downloading 3 seasons of Galactica, unpacking all the .rar files, converting them to a format that will play in a set-top DVD player, customizing the menus and finally burning the disks than it does to just order the DVD boxed set off Amazon, so your argument is completely wrong.
kminator 17ポイント 1日 前* [-]
That sounds absolutely easy compared to my Christmas tradition of acting out my own versions of people's favorite DVDs in front of an old 8mm film camera. I just finished reworking season 3 of the Wire, and I'll tell you, it's a bear.
rot13ubercrypto 2ポイント 22時間 前[-]
You use a camera? Pshaw, what a hairdresser thing to do.
I TYPE MY FILMS IN ASCII.
bleeblaow 3ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Pirating is so difficult! Woe is you!
As a pirate, if anyone ever gets me a pirated gift, I will want to murder that person. As far as media goes, if I want it, I've already downloaded it.
And, for some reason, I do not think the people who are not pirates will think, "Well gee, how thoughtful of him! He must have spent hours unpacking all the .rar files, converting them to a format that will blah blah blah." No. Non-pirates do not know the specifics about pirating. They just know that it can be done. And if you give them a pirated gift, they will more than likely see you for what you are, a cheap fuck.
I'd rather give somebody a macaroni portrait of myself or a half-finished coloring book than pirated media.
NurseGirl 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
I'd been planning on making you that macaroni portrait, but I ran out of macaroni, so I'm using rotini instead. I hope you'll still like it!!!
mistermoxy 4ポイント 1日 前[-]
Yeah, but after all that work you still look like a cheap bastard.
joncash 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
If you're doing all that, you're clearly doing it wrong. I can easily find full isos that burn into DVDs.
fadec 1ポイント 23時間 前[-]
Where do you think those isos come from? Santa's little elves?
joncash 0ポイント 23時間 前[-]
It comes from a SERIES OF TUBES, It's not just something you can dump on!
MarkByers 2ポイント 1日 前* [-]
If they searched for a long time checking lots of different torrents and eventually found one that is high quality and doesn't have any missing episodes, wouldn't you agree that they did make the effort?
Perhaps you just hate piracy and that that think the MPAA are cool? If so, just say that instead of trying to invent dumb excuses.
mistermoxy 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
I hate piracy. But also, if someone is going to go to a bunch of trouble to get me something, and it's a bunch of burned DVDs, I'd rather they just made something.
Burned DVDs just makes me think that someone is too poor to buy something, or too dumb to make something.
steveklabnik 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
Like...some dvds?
ajwitte 3ポイント 1日 前[-]
They presumably didn't make the physical disc, and if we're talking about piracy they obviously didn't make the information content either. I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could call the act of inscribing the information onto the disc "making something", but...
steveklabnik 2ポイント 21時間 前[-]
Primarily, I was being snarky. But, personally, I think that if someone gave me some burned DVDs of a tv show or something that I liked would demonstrate that they a) knew enough about me and thought about it enough to find something I liked and b) took the time to make it. Just like someone who makes a card, or physically makes a gift. I'm not really the gift giving or getting type, though.
jordanzazzara 1ポイント 22時間 前[-]
Whittling? Burning a CD? Engraving something? I'd say they all involve "inscribing" in a way, and all make something.
ajwitte 1ポイント 22時間 前* [-]
I said "onto the disc", i.e. burning the data onto the DVD in question. I wasn't talking about inscription in general.
richard23 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather have someone go to the effort of finding me something I liked (even if it was free or torrented) than just give me some default crappy gift that just perpetuates the stupid consumer feeding-frenzy of crappy Gifts at christmastime.
djepik 2ポイント 1日 前[-]
Yeah, my girlfriend is just crazy about James Blunt so last Christmas I ordered her this DVD of his performance, but it was the UK copy so it didn't come with the additional CD it was supposed to come with (or something like that). So I just downloaded the CD, burned it and put it in a real nice case. I think she was OK with it, and it ended up being more work than just buying it (which I couldn't anyways...)
anamorphosis 2ポイント 1日 前* [-]
i give presents because i think someone will like something (or because i like something and want to share).
the issue of giving stuff away that was free to me (or cheap, or easy - yea yea, that's what she said) is mostly only relevant if the person i'm giving it to could also get it cheaply and easily. in which case i probably agree with you.
i think measuring the worth of something by how much it costs (or by how much someone had to sacrifice to get it for you) is gross.
i'm just sayin'.
unchow 4ポイント 1日 前[-]
I'll certainly take something given to me based on just if I like it or not. I've downloaded torrents and burned them for people just out of the blue, because I felt nice. But if it were a christmas/birthday present, it would come accross to me like the person felt obligated to get something and was trying to avoid actually going out and putting the effort into a gift. Like its a place-holder gift that just doesnt mean anything. and if theyre going to treat it like its some painful ordeal, then Id rather they just save us both the trouble and give me a hug instead.
bobpaul 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
But no downloaded hugs from pirate bay that are missing the right arm and 2 fingers from the left! If you're not going to bother making it worth it, then just don't bother at all.
bleeblaow 2ポイント 1日 前* [-]
You mention the "thought" and go on to argue that all bought presents are thoughtless.
Which one is it? Is there "thought" to pirated gifts or not?
Buying a person something does not automatically make it thoughtless. Buy buy buy. Etc. Good one.
boundless 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
You could always just give a nice biodegradable card.
MercurialMadnessMan 6ポイント 1日 前[-]
You could try. :P
alphabeat 8ポイント 1日 前[-]
Find a torrent of a receipt?
zouhair 1ポイント 21時間 前[-]
Low-res?? missing episodes?? What the fuck are you talking about?
badjoke33 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
There's a lot of good deals around the holiday season that people take advantage of for themselves. Black Friday, Cyber Monday, etc.
ContentWithOurDecay 0ポイント 1日 前[-]
Yeah, but it'd be funny if you tried.
killerstorm 22ポイント 1日 前[-]
"sorry, world crisis, you know.."
rumple_foreskin 25ポイント 1日 前[-]
What it's not cool to send torrents as Christmas presents anymore?
Saiing 29ポイント 1日 前* [-]
It's more touching to download and burn them onto a DVD first - then at least you have something to wrap.
soapyfish 9ポイント 1日 前[-]
Won't somebody please think of the environment!!!
silence_hr 19ポイント 1日 前* [-]
I am sending invites to private trackers. Much better. ;)
jhaddow 14ポイント 1日 前[-]
I have left out a plate of cookies for you in case you decide to drop down my chimney.
powerpants 8ポイント 1日 前[-]
Several years ago, I actually gave a friend a CDR copy of Half-Life for Christmas. I felt terrible about it, but I was completely broke at the time. It was the best present I could think of that was within my budget.
On the bright side, he really enjoyed the game.
Ashex 5ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Oddly enough, giving burned media to friends as gifts is a lot of fun for me. One of the things I really like to do is get out some markers, and recreate the cd cover on it myself. It sometimes turns out looking better then the actual cd cover and I have a few friends who actually take better care of these then the ones they buy.
NurseGirl 4ポイント 23時間 前[-]
Well see, there was some effort, there.
NurseGirl 1ポイント 23時間 前[-]
I think it's different if you're broke than if you're just being a jerk. If a broke friend of mine got me a burned game/movie/CD that would be different than if a cheap friend of mine did.
Not saying whether it's right or wrong, it's just different.
NSMike 4ポイント 1日 前* [-]
Perhaps their point is that this might encourage folks to download movies they would've asked for rather than bought for others.
Then again, if you're willing to download movies, you probably weren't asking for any in the first place.
ContentWithOurDecay 1ポイント 1日 前[-]
I saw someone in the comment section of a torrent file on BBC Planet Earth that they were looking for a seeder so they could give it as a b day present.