The Girltalk Thread

[gogoamy]

lena,

ive been going to Cutler for years and i couldnt be happier. i love my hair and get compliments on it every day. i see anthony and he uses a scissors and a razor. $100. 212-308-3838

love,

kristi

i think this topic has been brought up before....?
but, YES!!! Anthony is amazing. i love him, he's such a character too!

[SPLiT]

something to consider...

it may be bit more expensive, but getting weekly or twice a week blowouts is worth it. It's so much better for the hair (especially since she colors) and looks really nice. The stepped out of a salon straight look. The best is sleeping later and getting ready faster.
she's never gotten her hair colored yet. she was considering highlights though...i just know she wanted it straightened...

just trying to help her out... :D

[Katielady]

she's never gotten her hair colored yet. she was considering highlights though...i just know she wanted it straightened...

just trying to help her out... :D

Personally if I still had virgin hair, I'd leave it alone. Maybe get a *few* little highlights in front. Once you start highlighting or dying it's hard to stop, and it kills your hair. IMO.

[SPLiT]

Personally if I still had virgin hair, I'd leave it alone. Maybe get a *few* little highlights in front. Once you start highlighting or dying it's hard to stop, and it kills your hair. IMO.
yeah, she doesn't want to go too crazy..
i think she might end up leaving it alone once she just gets it straightened...she has beautiful red hair and doesn't want to ruin it...i know that.

[Krizia]

2) I've noticed that my nail salon has stopped using the razor thing for pedicures, and has a sign up saying it's illegal. Do you know of a place that still uses them? I don't do it every time, but maybe twice a year I like to get my feet totally razored, so that they feel like new soft baby feet. (I've heard the whole argument that once you start razoring you get more callouses, but I don't buy it.) Anyway, who's got the inside scoop on the illicit foot razoring?

e-nail on second ave near st marks

they shave the hell out of my callouses, thank god

the restaurant biz does awful things to the footsies

[Tally]

ugh...

i hate to point out the obvious.. but if you guys want to continue enjoying things that are illegal and/or of questionable morals... such as razoring when it's illegal, or say.. dentists giving out powerful prescriptions for minor procedures.. it might be a good idea not to post them out in the open like this.

just sayin.

[EVS]

I am so so so happy you resurrected this!!! Thank you bunches, Katie!

I have a question for the ladies ... anyone ever been to Bliss? I'm trying them for waxing mext week and want to know if it is worth my moolah.

It is well worth it!!!!!!!!!!! I bought the at home waxing kit too online at blissworld.com and its amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doki doki]

It is well worth it!!!!!!!!!!! I bought the at home waxing kit too online at blissworld.com and its amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus, that was an old post. Did you just read the entire Girltalk thread????

[Katielady]

ugh...

i hate to point out the obvious.. but if you guys want to continue enjoying things that are illegal and/or of questionable morals... such as razoring when it's illegal, or say.. dentists giving out powerful prescriptions for minor procedures.. it might be a good idea not to post them out in the open like this.

just sayin.

Good point. :lol:!

Ladies, just PM me places that will still razor. Maybe Kristi should erase her post?

[EVS]

Jesus, that was an old post. Did you just read the entire Girltalk thread????


Uhh no actually it was on the first page and I didnt realize how old it was. You asked the question so I answered. Sorry....

[EVS]

Good point. :lol:!

Ladies, just PM me places that will still razor. Maybe Kristi should erase her post?

Dont you think the police have better things to do than find people who like to get their feet razored?? just sayin... :lol:

[Katielady]

Dont you think the police have better things to do than find people who like to get their feet razored?? just sayin... :lol:

If they're giving tickets to people for wearing no pants on the subway, I figure they're capable of anything.

[EVS]

If they're giving tickets to people for wearing no pants on the subway, I figure they're capable of anything.


Hahah thats true!

[jungleprincess]

Is it possible to get what you used to get online from Mexico or Canada? I know they sell Retin-A that way.
Anyone know such a website that sells without prescription? No, really.

[UESGirl]

[QUOTE=SPLiT]yeah, she doesn't want to go too crazy..
i think she might end up leaving it alone once she just gets it straightened...she has beautiful red hair and doesn't want to ruin it...i know that.[/QUOTE}

All these places give consultations, she should definitely go.

[blueskygirl]

Please take care with your lovely long hair around the candles at the bars and clubs that you attend. Some poor girl had her whole hair go up at my party last week :eek::(

Long, lovely locks + lots of product + randomly placed candles and drunken shenanigans = danger!

bs:(:(g

[ichi_gami]

http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28516&stc=1

[chompers]

Please take care with your lovely long hair around the candles at the bars and clubs that you attend. Some poor girl had her whole hair go up at my party last week :eek::(

Long, lovely locks + lots of product + randomly placed candles and drunken shenanigans = danger!

bs:(:(g
that happened to me at crobar. luckily somebody was standing behind me and put it out immediately. only a few seared ends. burnt hair smells gross. :sick:

[Krizia]

Warning: Period stuff






I usually only get my period for 2-3 days each cycle, but this last one only lasted 1 day and I found that to be mighty weird considering I was pmsing hard for a week before I got it... the usual bloated, bitchy, and horrible cramps the first day, which turned out to be the only day... is my body not producing enough lining or baby stuff? Does anyone know if this will cause a problem in the future having kids?

[Katielady]

Warning: Period stuff






I usually only get my period for 2-3 days each cycle, but this last one only lasted 1 day and I found that to be mighty weird considering I was pmsing hard for a week before I got it... the usual bloated, bitchy, and horrible cramps the first day, which turned out to be the only day... is my body not producing enough lining or baby stuff? Does anyone know if this will cause a problem in the future having kids?

hey lady,

If you're not having normal periods, you may have some kind of hormonal problem. If you do, you might need to fix it before you can get pregnant, but it is almost always fixable.

I have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is one very common kind of hormonal problem. It stems from insulin resistance- basically diabetes, but a lesser form of diabetes. My cells don't respond well to insulin, so when I eat sugary things the sugar stays around too long, then the pancreas puts out more insulin, and when the sugar is eventually absorbed I end up with an excess of insulin. All that extra insulin screws up the rest of my hormones, including the reproductive ones. So my cycle is way irregular- I'll go months without a period. Some women with PCOS have light periods like you're describing, some have extremely heavy ones. It's a weird syndrome and not very well understood.

Other causes of menstrual irregularities can be thyroid imbalance, or adrenal problems.

The tough thing is that most OB/GYNs view any menstrual problems as a non-issue unless you're trying to get pregnant. I self-diagnosed myself with PCOS after reading about it once I was trying to conceive, and once I realized what I had I was really pissed that none of my GYNs over the years bothered to look into it, or even tell me that my irregular cycle had any significance. But I think it's a good idea to get treatment for stuff like this right away, before you even start thinking about wanting to have kids. For one thing, it seems like a lot of times when your cycle is off, it is linked to some other health problem beyond your reproductive system, so it's good to get that on track. Like in my case, if I'd been eating a diabetic-style diet since I was 14 (which is when they COULD have diagnosed the PCOS based on my symptoms), I'd be a lot more healthy today. Or if it's a thyroid problem, there are meds you can take that will fix it right up and make you feel a lot better.

Don't mean to scare you or anything. But I think it's great that you were aware enough to ask about this. It might be something really minor, and then once you fix it you'll have more peace of mind. :)

[Krizia]

hey lady,

If you're not having normal periods, you may have some kind of hormonal problem. If you do, you might need to fix it before you can get pregnant, but it is almost always fixable.

I have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is one very common kind of hormonal problem. It stems from insulin resistance- basically diabetes, but a lesser form of diabetes. My cells don't respond well to insulin, so when I eat sugary things the sugar stays around too long, then the pancreas puts out more insulin, and when the sugar is eventually absorbed I end up with an excess of insulin. All that extra insulin screws up the rest of my hormones, including the reproductive ones. So my cycle is way irregular- I'll go months without a period. Some women with PCOS have light periods like you're describing, some have extremely heavy ones. It's a weird syndrome and not very well understood.

Other causes of menstrual irregularities can be thyroid imbalance, or adrenal problems.

The tough thing is that most OB/GYNs view any menstrual problems as a non-issue unless you're trying to get pregnant. I self-diagnosed myself with PCOS after reading about it once I was trying to conceive, and once I realized what I had I was really pissed that none of my GYNs over the years bothered to look into it, or even tell me that my irregular cycle had any significance. But I think it's a good idea to get treatment for stuff like this right away, before you even start thinking about wanting to have kids. For one thing, it seems like a lot of times when your cycle is off, it is linked to some other health problem beyond your reproductive system, so it's good to get that on track. Like in my case, if I'd been eating a diabetic-style diet since I was 14 (which is when they COULD have diagnosed the PCOS based on my symptoms), I'd be a lot more healthy today. Or if it's a thyroid problem, there are meds you can take that will fix it right up and make you feel a lot better.

Don't mean to scare you or anything. But I think it's great that you were aware enough to ask about this. It might be something really minor, and then once you fix it you'll have more peace of mind. :)


thanks katie, I really appreciate it :)

[Katielady]

thanks katie, I really appreciate it :)

Sure thing sugar! PM me if you ever have any questions- I know WAY too much about periods and hormones. :p

[rod]

hey lady,

If you're not having normal periods, you may have some kind of hormonal problem. If you do, you might need to fix it before you can get pregnant, but it is almost always fixable.

I have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which is one very common kind of hormonal problem. It stems from insulin resistance- basically diabetes, but a lesser form of diabetes. My cells don't respond well to insulin, so when I eat sugary things the sugar stays around too long, then the pancreas puts out more insulin, and when the sugar is eventually absorbed I end up with an excess of insulin. All that extra insulin screws up the rest of my hormones, including the reproductive ones. So my cycle is way irregular- I'll go months without a period. Some women with PCOS have light periods like you're describing, some have extremely heavy ones. It's a weird syndrome and not very well understood.

Other causes of menstrual irregularities can be thyroid imbalance, or adrenal problems.

The tough thing is that most OB/GYNs view any menstrual problems as a non-issue unless you're trying to get pregnant. I self-diagnosed myself with PCOS after reading about it once I was trying to conceive, and once I realized what I had I was really pissed that none of my GYNs over the years bothered to look into it, or even tell me that my irregular cycle had any significance. But I think it's a good idea to get treatment for stuff like this right away, before you even start thinking about wanting to have kids. For one thing, it seems like a lot of times when your cycle is off, it is linked to some other health problem beyond your reproductive system, so it's good to get that on track. Like in my case, if I'd been eating a diabetic-style diet since I was 14 (which is when they COULD have diagnosed the PCOS based on my symptoms), I'd be a lot more healthy today. Or if it's a thyroid problem, there are meds you can take that will fix it right up and make you feel a lot better.

Don't mean to scare you or anything. But I think it's great that you were aware enough to ask about this. It might be something really minor, and then once you fix it you'll have more peace of mind. :)


hey kristi, you might also want to look into that new pill that is coming out, "seasonale" is the name i think.

i think its engineered to fix these kinds of menstrual problems.

[shawteeroc]

Sure thing sugar! PM me if you ever have any questions- I know WAY too much about periods and hormones. :p


Wow. I love that I get mine for so short a time. Is it a bad thing?

[Katielady]

hey kristi, you might also want to look into that new pill that is coming out, "seasonale" is the name i think.

i think its engineered to fix these kinds of menstrual problems.

Wrong. No birth control pill can fix a hormonal problem, it just masks it. In fact, Seasonale can make some hormonal problems a lot worse.

At best, the pill can keep the symptoms down, and if you're not ovulating and instead forming cysts, it can stop that. But it doesn't treat the underlying cause.

I like seeing the softer side of Rod, though, making period suggestions and all. :kiss:

[Katielady]

Wow. I love that I get mine for so short a time. Is it a bad thing?

How short? Kristi's sounds short enough that she might not be ovulating, or she might have a progesterone problem that's making her lining not build up enough. But I'm pretty sure anything from around 4-6 days is normal.

There's a fine line between just normal human variation, and there being a problem. But if you're worried you can ask for bloodwork from your doc.

[rod]

Wrong. No birth control pill can fix a hormonal problem, it just masks it. In fact, Seasonale can make some hormonal problems a lot worse.

At best, the pill can keep the symptoms down, and if you're not ovulating and instead forming cysts, it can stop that. But it doesn't treat the underlying cause.

I like seeing the softer side of Rod, though, making period suggestions and all. :kiss:


so what is the underlying cause? diet?

[shawteeroc]

hi chicas!


2) I've noticed that my nail salon has stopped using the razor thing for pedicures, and has a sign up saying it's illegal. Do you know of a place that still uses them? I don't do it every time, but maybe twice a year I like to get my feet totally razored, so that they feel like new soft baby feet. (I've heard the whole argument that once you start razoring you get more callouses, but I don't buy it.) Anyway, who's got the inside scoop on the illicit foot razoring?


Katie, I would be careful about getting the razor on your feet. I liked getting that done and felt that they never got my feet soft enough if only using the pumice stone or file. However, if they don't know what they are doing, its pretty bad. I got my feet over scraped and it was very painful for quite a while. I am sure it can also lead to infection, since its basically like having a puncture - non bleeding wound on your feet, which accumulate enough germs as it is.

[Katielady]

so what is the underlying cause? diet?

Well it depends on the individual. With PCOS the diet you eat can make it worse or better, but it's really a genetic problem. From day one your cells just don't process insulin efficiently, and they get worse at it with time, especially if you eat a really sugary/bready diet.

[rod]

Well it depends on the individual. With PCOS the diet you eat can make it worse or better, but it's really a genetic problem. From day one your cells just don't process insulin efficiently, and they get worse at it with time, especially if you eat a really sugary/bready diet.


i used to think that a lot of these kind of problems came from low body fat and the issues that arise from that.


then again what the fuck do i know.

[Katielady]

i used to think that a lot of these kind of problems came from low body fat and the issues that arise from that.


then again what the fuck do i know.

Well a lot of times that's what docs will tell people, even though it's not always true. I have a friend who also has PCOS and is skinny as a rail, though she eats normally and everything. She always thought her irregular periods were caused by being naturally thin. And then her doctors were reluctant to diagnose her with PCOS, because traditionally people with insulin problems are overweight. But you can be thin and have it.

[deanna]

Well a lot of times that's what docs will tell people, even though it's not always true. I have a friend who also has PCOS and is skinny as a rail, though she eats normally and everything. She always thought her irregular periods were caused by being naturally thin. And then her doctors were reluctant to diagnose her with PCOS, because traditionally people with insulin problems are overweight. But you can be thin and have it.


a ton of women have pcos --and they never know it and aren't properly diagnosed. i am always really surprised at how many of my friends have strange issues with their menstrual cycle but they don't go to the doctor to be checked out. if something seems odd, listen to your body and get checked out regularly. a lot of my friends haven't had pap smears in like over 5 yrs too! i get myself thoroughly checked out quit often.

[abgrover]

a lot of my friends haven't had pap smears in like over 5 yrs too! i get myself thoroughly checked out quit often.
Even if they are asymptomatic, they can still have an abnormal pap (meaning precancerous cells that can be treated when caught early enough).
They should definitely get this done every year, it can prevent cervical cancer.

[rod]

Well a lot of times that's what docs will tell people, even though it's not always true. I have a friend who also has PCOS and is skinny as a rail, though she eats normally and everything. She always thought her irregular periods were caused by being naturally thin. And then her doctors were reluctant to diagnose her with PCOS, because traditionally people with insulin problems are overweight. But you can be thin and have it.


those vageens are tricky little fuckers.

[girlee]

I have the best gynecologist ever: Dr. Iris Orbuch 90 Sullivan (at Spring). She only does GYN, no OB, and specializes in endometriosis and other unhappy uterus things. For your first visit, she spends half an hour going over your medical and family history and asking/answering questions before she examines you.

My primary care doctor is at the same address: Dr. Brian Meehan. He is also awesome. Anyone who works in Soho should go to them.

[possibly_maybe]

So my cycle is way irregular- I'll go months without a period. Some women with PCOS have light periods like you're describing, some have extremely heavy ones. It's a weird syndrome and not very well understood.

Katie! Did you find that you were prone to getting hypoglycemic if you didn't eat for 4+ hours?? I am going through something very similiar and my gyno doesn't seem to give three shits about it, other than to write a script for pills... I have been suspecting something's been up for ages now but none of my docs ever wanted to bother listening.

[Krizia]

I have the best gynecologist ever: Dr. Iris Orbuch 90 Sullivan (at Spring). She only does GYN, no OB, and specializes in endometriosis and other unhappy uterus things. For your first visit, she spends half an hour going over your medical and family history and asking/answering questions before she examines you.

My primary care doctor is at the same address: Dr. Brian Meehan. He is also awesome. Anyone who works in Soho should go to them.

Does Dr. Orbuch take insurance?

[Katielady]

Katie! Did you find that you were prone to getting hypoglycemic if you didn't eat for 4+ hours?? I am going through something very similiar and my gyno doesn't seem to give three shits about it, other than to write a script for pills... I have been suspecting something's been up for ages now but none of my docs ever wanted to bother listening.

Yes! I was always like that. If I go too long without eating I get dizzy and what I call "jelly legs," like I'm going to pass out. I didn't think much of it growing up because my dad's the same way, but once I started living with Nis I realized not everyone is like that. He gets hungry if dinner is late, but he doesn't feel like he's going to DIE like I do.

It really sucks that docs don't listen about these things. I'd suggest reading up on it and figuring out what tests you think would be good, then specifically asking for them. If your doc won't do it, find a new doc; an endocrinologist is usually the best bet. Good luck and PM me if you have questions.

[girlee]

Does Dr. Orbuch take insurance?

Yep. I have Aetna. I'm not sure what other kinds she takes, though.

Her # is 212.343.3040. Same for Dr. Meehan.

I highly recommend them.

[Fidget]

Since we're on the dr. kick...both a friend and I are looking to switch our GP's.

Any recommendations possibly in Midtown? I'm really not THAT picky, but midtown is best.

Doki & Eileen - I know you ladies both sent me to Dr. Ragi a while back...but I never made it in. Now, after referring two other friends, she's not accepting new patients! :mad: :lol: My friends love her, though!

[La Troya]

Since we're on the dr. kick...both a friend and I are looking to switch our GP's.

Any recommendations possibly in Midtown? I'm really not THAT picky, but midtown is best.

Doki & Eileen - I know you ladies both sent me to Dr. Ragi a while back...but I never made it in. Now, after referring two other friends, she's not accepting new patients! :mad: :lol: My friends love her, though!

i saw her this morning :D


ps - hiya Fidge :kiss:

[eileen]

i saw her this morning :D

I saw her yesterday! Apparently we're keeping her busy! :lol:


Good luck, Fidgey! If I hear anything good about someone in midtown I'll pass it on to you! :)

[Katielady]

I need a girltalk group hug.

I had a "needle biopsy" of a mass in my breast today. They found the lump last week after doing an ultrasound to check on a benign cyst I had years ago. So they put this freezy stuff on my boobie, then a shot of novacaine, and then stuck me twice with a needle to draw out cells. It didn't hurt much at all, but it freaked me out because it's my boob!

Luckily with their set-up, they had a pathologist right there and I got instant results. Turns out it was an enlarged milk duct filled with...shocker...milk.

Stupid doctors and their stupid overzealous testing. :mad:

And now I have a frozen boobie with a bandaid on it. :(

[possibly_maybe]

I need a girltalk group hug.
And now I have a frozen boobie with a bandaid on it. :(

Awww *hugs* I know how you feel, I had to go get some testing done on a lump a while ago, turned out benign but the whole process is completely nervewracking. I'm so glad your boobie is ok! :kiss:

PS Thanks for the advice re: PCOS, I'll definitely be looking into it.

[Ms Tasty 13]

(((((KT)))))

As they say, better safe than sorry... glad everything's ok. :kiss:

[Katielady]

awww...thanks y'all.

I'm torn between feeling like it was worth checking out, and feeling like these docs are too eager to use their fancy diagnostic machines.

[SPLiT]

I need a girltalk group hug.

I had a "needle biopsy" of a mass in my breast today. They found the lump last week after doing an ultrasound to check on a benign cyst I had years ago. So they put this freezy stuff on my boobie, then a shot of novacaine, and then stuck me twice with a needle to draw out cells. It didn't hurt much at all, but it freaked me out because it's my boob!

Luckily with their set-up, they had a pathologist right there and I got instant results. Turns out it was an enlarged milk duct filled with...shocker...milk.

Stupid doctors and their stupid overzealous testing. :mad:

And now I have a frozen boobie with a bandaid on it. :(
i love Dairy Queen!
they serve frozen milk, not ice cream.
mmmmmmmmmm.....i need a blizzard. ;)

may i take your order?

yes, i'd like a boobie blizzard please...with gummy bears. :D

[commando]

I need a girltalk group hug.

I had a "needle biopsy" of a mass in my breast today. They found the lump last week after doing an ultrasound to check on a benign cyst I had years ago. So they put this freezy stuff on my boobie, then a shot of novacaine, and then stuck me twice with a needle to draw out cells. It didn't hurt much at all, but it freaked me out because it's my boob!

Luckily with their set-up, they had a pathologist right there and I got instant results. Turns out it was an enlarged milk duct filled with...shocker...milk.

Stupid doctors and their stupid overzealous testing. :mad:

And now I have a frozen boobie with a bandaid on it. :(

maybe you can work that to your advantage... icecream or milkshakes for babies right from the teet

glad everything is ok

/slips out of girltalk thread

[Fidget]

awww...thanks y'all.

I'm torn between feeling like it was worth checking out, and feeling like these docs are too eager to use their fancy diagnostic machines.

What's this dopes address? I have a powerful midget foot dying to kick some nuts!!!!

[SPLiT]

awww...thanks y'all.

I'm torn between feeling like it was worth checking out, and feeling like these docs are too eager to use their fancy diagnostic machines.
hey, no one likes lumpy boobies...

better safe than sorry...
going to the doctor is never fun...at least you know you're ok.

[Krizia]

sorry katiegirl

glad you are a-okay

[b_love]

awww...thanks y'all.

I'm torn between feeling like it was worth checking out, and feeling like these docs are too eager to use their fancy diagnostic machines.

it was so worth it lady! And thank GOD it was nothing more than milk. Today could have been a terrible day for you and everyone who loves you, had it been that OTHER thing.

[Katielady]

it was so worth it lady! And thank GOD it was nothing more than milk. Today could have been a terrible day for you and everyone who loves you, had it been that OTHER thing.

I know. Thank you! :)

But they made me worry so much, and then afterwards I felt like it was as though they'd said, "We've noticed a LARGE MASS in your abdominal cavity, it may be over 1.5 pounds in size!!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!1!!1" *runs a week's worth of tests* "Good news! It was just your baby."

:rolleyes:

eh, like you said, better they turn out to be morons than I turn out to have boobie cancer.

[b_love]

I know. Thank you! :)

But they made me worry so much, and then afterwards I felt like it was as though they'd said, "We've noticed a LARGE MASS in your abdominal cavity, it may be over 1.5 pounds in size!!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!1!!1" *runs a week's worth of tests* "Good news! It was just your baby."

:rolleyes:

eh, like you said, better they turn out to be morons than I turn out to have boobie cancer.

just kick'm in the vag next time you see'm.

[La Troya]

I need a girltalk group hug.

I had a "needle biopsy" of a mass in my breast today. They found the lump last week after doing an ultrasound to check on a benign cyst I had years ago. So they put this freezy stuff on my boobie, then a shot of novacaine, and then stuck me twice with a needle to draw out cells. It didn't hurt much at all, but it freaked me out because it's my boob!

Luckily with their set-up, they had a pathologist right there and I got instant results. Turns out it was an enlarged milk duct filled with...shocker...milk.

Stupid doctors and their stupid overzealous testing. :mad:

And now I have a frozen boobie with a bandaid on it. :(


Just saw this now, can I still offer a hug???
I went through a boobie scare and tests a year ago, and honestly, I'd rather freak out once a year and find out it's nothing rather than missing a lump that would've been treatable.

I hope that the boobie has defrosted by now, and is back to room temp :kiss:

Btw ladies, I had a facial yesterday at Allure Day Spa. Granted I only had less than 5 my whole life, but that was THE BEST!
Martha had no mercy, as she kicked every single black head out of their comfy little pore. It hurt, but my face is oh so smooth now.

BUT HERE'S THE INTERESTING THING - Martha (my facial lady) told me that my skin was irritated and inflamed because of the build up of moisturizers in my pores. She recommended to stop the use of moisturizers, and use only a cleanser and a toner. She recommended a hydrating toner, and said to spritz it on whenever I felt my skin was dry/dehydrated.
I am going to give it a few months to see what this does for my skin. I have to say it's quite revolutionary, to not use moisturizer...

any thoughts?

[LakerLover]

BUT HERE'S THE INTERESTING THING - Martha (my facial lady) told me that my skin was irritated and inflamed because of the build up of moisturizers in my pores. She recommended to stop the use of moisturizers, and use only a cleanser and a toner. She recommended a hydrating toner, and said to spritz it on whenever I felt my skin was dry/dehydrated.
I am going to give it a few months to see what this does for my skin. I have to say it's quite revolutionary, to not use moisturizer...

any thoughts?


i think this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. You might not be using the right amount of moisturizer or not drinking enough water but I think she is way off base. One of the most important reasons to use moisturizer is the SPF involved. Sun damage can age one's skin faster than drinking. If you want to get in touch and ask my dermatologist I am more than happy to give you her info

BTW...belated love to KT's boob

[silente]

I know. Thank you! :)

But they made me worry so much, and then afterwards I felt like it was as though they'd said, "We've noticed a LARGE MASS in your abdominal cavity, it may be over 1.5 pounds in size!!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!1!!1" *runs a week's worth of tests* "Good news! It was just your baby."

:rolleyes:

eh, like you said, better they turn out to be morons than I turn out to have boobie cancer.

You should've squirted 'em in the face! Milk indeed.


















pt - Am I the only one that's looking forward to doing that when I have kids? I mean, I won't starve them, or anything. I just think a bit of unexpected milk squirting would be really fun. Is that weird?

ppt - Glad everything's ok, Katie! :kiss:

[La Troya]

i think this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. You might not be using the right amount of moisturizer or not drinking enough water but I think she is way off base. One of the most important reasons to use moisturizer is the SPF involved. Sun damage can age one's skin faster than drinking. If you want to get in touch and ask my dermatologist I am more than happy to give you her info

BTW...belated love to KT's boob

This would have been my reaction however:
1) she very professional and she works at a spa with a great rep, she's not some random person from the street.
2) Her skin looks amazing.
3) She had nothing to gain by recommending this, because she actually wasn't pushing products.
4) A friend, who's a dermatologist, actually said that to me a couple of years ago, and I totally blew him off. Both of them said that after a couple of weeks, the skin starts adjusts and produces the right amount of moisture.

As for spf, for someone who works indoors all day, she (and my friend) said that there is no need to wear spf for the total of 5-10 minutes spent outdoors.
on days that I will be outdoors a more significant amount of time, she recommended wearing a light spf.

so far I am on day 3 of this regimen, and skin is looking good. I will report back after a month.

[blueskygirl]

i'm inclined to agree with mea on this.
and after the visible improvement that i see in my skin after using particular creams/eye creams, it'd take wild horses to drag me away from my moisturizers.

glad you're boobie's ok, katie, but here's a belated hug anyway :hug: :kiss:

bsg

[shawteeroc]

i think this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. You might not be using the right amount of moisturizer or not drinking enough water but I think she is way off base. One of the most important reasons to use moisturizer is the SPF involved. Sun damage can age one's skin faster than drinking. If you want to get in touch and ask my dermatologist I am more than happy to give you her info

BTW...belated love to KT's boob


I have to disagree with you on this. If you are worried about sun protection, then use SPF, not moisturizer. What I have heard from various facialists is that moisturizer with SPF isn't really effective as a moisturizer because SPF sits on top of your skin whereas moisturizer is supposed to be absorbed into your skin. It was recommended to me to apply moisturizer and SPF as two separate products. Now, of course this could be because they are trying to sell me two products instead of one, but I have heard the same thing more than once.

I have heard people say only wash your face once a day so you don't deprive your skin of its own natural oils. This way you don't have to moisturize so much.

I'm inclined to say you need to moisturize at least once a day. However, I do and sometimes find my face is still dry. Drinking water is really what is going to moisturize your skin, not product. I think a lot of the claims about moisturizer are probably just sales pitches. Try not moisturizing and drinking a lot (of water, ya drunk!) and report back.

[La Troya]

Try not moisturizing and drinking a lot (of water, ya drunk!) and report back.

:(
*puts down the cranberry vodka*
*pours out the remainder of wine*
*throws out beer*

*sigh*
;)

[sunshine]

i've used moisturizer my whole life... never went a day without... its the only thing i ALWAYS have on... and i'd be the FIRST one to say... LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONAL...

mea, while i'm sure meaning well... isn't the one i'd listen to for advice... no matter what happens, it's worth it to see if there's a change... worst that happens, you dry out a bit...

either way... i've always thought you were nothing less than stunningly gorgeous... :kiss:

[LakerLover]

and i'd be the FIRST one to say... LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONAL...



then she should have a consultation with a dermatologist. There could be MANY things going on with anyone's skin (hormonal, acne related, derug related) that a facial technician would not know how to diagnose. They are professionals with giving facials NOT doctors.

[LakerLover]

In saying that, I did email my dermatologist who felt that the advice was "bullshit" in an attempt to sell products and said that it is more important to make sure a moisturizer is oil free (especially mineral oil which can be very drying) and non-comedogenic.

I am more than happy to give anyone her number as she takes all types of insurance and has been featured in Oprah, W, and NY Mag

[Tally]

It always seems the more expensive crap and goop i pile onto my face, the worse my skin gets.

:(

i need a facial .. or a good dermatologist. my skin is tore up right now.

[Katielady]

oooh, a heated moisturizer debate has emerged while I was away for the afternoon. *pops popcorn* :D

shawtee I've heard that before about moisturizers w/ SPF. But if you need both, what are you supposed to do? Put on moisturizer first, then sunblock to sit on top of it? I hate sunblock but every summer I resolve to wear it more, as I think it's the number one way to prevent wrinkles (and of course skin cancer).

p.s. thanks all, for the boobie love. :kiss:

[Fidget]

It always seems the more expensive crap and goop i pile onto my face, the worse my skin gets.



Seriously.

I don't pay attention to skin hype, and fads. I alternate washing with a pore cleanser, exfoliant, and dove soap. I moisturize once a day with Dramatically different in the winter, and twice with Aloe in the summer.

It's very rare you'll ever see me broken out. I just don't believe in all that "stuff".

[La Troya]

oooh, a heated moisturizer debate has emerged while I was away for the afternoon. *pops popcorn* :D

shawtee I've heard that before about moisturizers w/ SPF. But if you need both, what are you supposed to do? Put on moisturizer first, then sunblock to sit on top of it? I hate sunblock but every summer I resolve to wear it more, as I think it's the number one way to prevent wrinkles (and of course skin cancer).

p.s. thanks all, for the boobie love. :kiss:


I have to say tha the argument that as long as I'm not really outdoors more than 10 minutes at a time I don't need spf makes sense to me.
and when I'm outdoors - well, there's no way around the sunblock.

what about foundation with spf, is that ok?
it seems to me that both are supposed to be on the surface, so that should be an ok combination.

btw, it's not that I'm not applying any moisture to my face, it's just in the form of a toner, and not a cream (just thought I would clarify)

[rod]

It always seems the more expensive crap and goop i pile onto my face, the worse my skin gets.

:(

i need a facial .. or a good dermatologist.


not to sound vulgar or anything, but you need a boyfriend to cum on your face regularly.


it does wonders for the skin.

[Katielady]

Aloe


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:lol:

Seriously, this stuff is so confusing. I went to a free makeup lesson at Shiseido once (they were doing them as an experimental promotion, sadly they stopped doing them). They had you doing SO many steps for skin care...cleansing, toning, moisturizer, pre-makeup base, something else which I forget, and then finally foundation. I started to get swept up into thinking I needed 7 layers of crap on my face or I'd be hideous. :lol:

I use a gel cleanser, with an occasional moisturizing masque or a scrub, and moisturizer, and that's it. My skin is still chronically dry though, esp. in winter.

[deanna]

not to sound vulgar or anything, but you need a boyfriend to cum on your face regularly.


it does wonders for the skin.

vice magazine did an article testing this theory a while ago, cum vs. moisturizer. from what i remember the spunk won.

[diskokitty]

fuck soaps, astringents and fancy cremes

take make up off with vasoline, and wash your face with warm water 2x a day and your skin will be perfect

AS LONG AS YOU KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS AWAY FROM YOUR FACE AT ALL TIMES!

[Katielady]

vice magazine did an article testing this theory a while ago, cum vs. moisturizer. from what i remember the spunk won.

I read somewhere about a lady who put her own cootchie juice on her face as moisturizer. She said it worked great. But what about smelling all day like you've been muffdiving? :lol:

[Katielady]

fuck soaps, astringents and fancy cremes

take make up off with vasoline, and wash your face with warm water 2x a day and your skin will be perfect

AS LONG AS YOU KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS AWAY FROM YOUR FACE AT ALL TIMES!

um, vaseline and anything else with petroleum products in them are awful for your skin.

[deanna]

Seriously.

I don't pay attention to skin hype, and fads. I alternate washing with a pore cleanser, exfoliant, and dove soap. I moisturize once a day with Dramatically different in the winter, and twice with Aloe in the summer.

It's very rare you'll ever see me broken out. I just don't believe in all that "stuff".

i agree, i think a lot of people do way too much shit to their skin. too many products is no good and all the anti wrinkle cream etc is bullshit. keep it simple. though a facial feels great!

[deanna]

I read somewhere about a lady who put her own cootchie juice on her face as moisturizer. She said it worked great. But what about smelling all day like you've been muffdiving? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

wow.

--and to add i guess this means all the boys who love the lickly lickly will have nice skin?!

[Katielady]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

wow.

--and to add i guess this means all the boys who love the lickly lickly will have nice skin?!

They'll have baby-soft chins and mouths and everything else on their face will be all wrinkly. :lol:

[deanna]

They'll have baby-soft chins and mouths and everything else on their face will be all wrinkly. :lol:


http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n8/htdocs/cum.php

sorry i had to. love me for it. :nice:

[La Troya]

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n8/htdocs/cum.php

sorry i had to. love me for it. :nice:

SFW or NSFW??

[deanna]

SFW or NSFW??


SFW.

[abgrover]

Seriously, this stuff is so confusing. I went to a free makeup lesson at Shiseido once (they were doing them as an experimental promotion, sadly they stopped doing them). They had you doing SO many steps for skin care...cleansing, toning, moisturizer, pre-makeup base, something else which I forget, and then finally foundation. I started to get swept up into thinking I needed 7 layers of crap on my face or I'd be hideous. :lol:

Prescriptives did the same to me. They tell you that you need to use them all or they won't work, so you need to buy all 7 products!

Will never do that again. Free, my ass.
:mad:

[jessynergy]

Hi Ladies,
Just stumbled upon the thread, and I must quote Rue Paul in saying
"Rule #1: moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!!".

P.S. The boyfriend also worked for dermatologists down in Miami for years, and they always recomended moisturizing before anything else. You dont necessarily need a toner, just a good cleanser, but that ultimately depends on your skin. As far as facial techs go, I've been to a number of them, they always try to push products on me, and they all say something different. I'll trust someone with experience in the medical field (who isnt trying to get me to buy something)first.

SPF isnt necessary in the winter if you arent exposed to the sun for extended periods of time, but the 2 things that will cause damage are the sun and smoking. The only problem with moisturizers with SPF in them is they tend to be comedogenic (pore-clogging), and irritate sensative skin (such as mine).

Just figured I thro my 2 cents in.

[Katielady]

Prescriptives did the same to me. They tell you that you need to use them all or they won't work, so you need to buy all 7 products!

Will never do that again. Free, my ass.
:mad:

I had fun with it- they really did teach us a lot about different makeup techniques. But yeah...it's all a big mindfuck to make you think you'll turn into a pumpkin if you don't use the 14 magic creams. :mad:

[jeffrey]

Just jumping in here to say that the new Blistex roll-on "Lip Fusion" product is pretty cool. Metal ball roller, vanilla scent. Glossy not mediciney. Smooth, gets rid of chapped lips too.

<3 it.

[girlee]

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n8/htdocs/cum.php

sorry i had to. love me for it. :nice:


Did you read the comments at the bottom?

:lol:!!!

CUM ON AND ON AND ON.BIG LOADS OF HOT JELLY BABIES ON YOUR FACE.YOU LOVE IT THOUGH.OH-CUMON LET ME SMACK YOUR FACE AND LIPS WITH MT CUM SOAKED COCK.

rabbit cum works better

I suggest instead a nice relaxing evening at a good restaurant.I love the fallopian chef salad with a side of Big ass ham fried in pinworm cream.If your local fine food establishment does not serve those dishes,i suggest you make a stink and find out why,or ask me for those and other great meal idea

WTF?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[La Troya]

This would have been my reaction however:
1) she very professional and she works at a spa with a great rep, she's not some random person from the street.
2) Her skin looks amazing.
3) She had nothing to gain by recommending this, because she actually wasn't pushing products.
4) A friend, who's a dermatologist, actually said that to me a couple of years ago, and I totally blew him off. Both of them said that after a couple of weeks, the skin starts adjusts and produces the right amount of moisture.

As for spf, for someone who works indoors all day, she (and my friend) said that there is no need to wear spf for the total of 5-10 minutes spent outdoors.
on days that I will be outdoors a more significant amount of time, she recommended wearing a light spf.

so far I am on day 3 of this regimen, and skin is looking good. I will report back after a month.

interim report (after 10 days):
my creams are all stocked away in my fridge, and in the last 10 days I've been using the cleanser and the hydrating toner (except for the weekend, I used moisturizer/spf since I went snowboarding). AFter the first few days my nose started peeling. I didn't freak out, because my facialist told me that it would take my skin a while to adjust to the new regimen.
I definitely started paying more attention to drinking a lot of water, to keep myself hydrated.

my skin is looking great and feeling soft.
Will report back in another 10 days :)

[SinisterKitn]

I think when it comes to skin care, everyone has different needs according to their own skin. Its interesting to hear everyone's regimens. I also heard that its not good to moisturize nightly because your skin will get used to it and stop producing its natural collagen. Has anyone else heard this?

I personally need to moisturize my skin because its very sensitive, especially during the winter. After much trial and error and finding a great skin lady I found that even though I don't have dry skin, milk cleansers work best for me during the winter. In summer I change to less creamy cleanser.

[Katielady]

Did you read the comments at the bottom?

:lol:!!!







WTF?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

fallopian chef salad, OMG. :lol:!!

[deanna]

ladies! i have the WORST CRAMPS RIGHT NOW!!!!

:( :( :( :( :(

I just want to curl up in the corner and die.

:(

oh to be a woman. (at least i'm not pregnant)

[jcg]

ladies! i have the WORST CRAMPS RIGHT NOW!!!!

:( :( :( :( :(

I just want to curl up in the corner and die.

:(

oh to be a woman. (at least i'm not pregnant)

you still have another 11hours and 30 minutes before today is officially over.
:D

sorry 'bout your ovaries.
:(

[deanna]

you still have another 11hours and 30 minutes before today is officially over.
:D



oh is that an offer? ;)


MAKE THE PAIN STOP! i've taken 2 aleve already!

:(

but i'm happy to be a woman so it's all good.

:)

[Fidget]

ladies! i have the WORST CRAMPS RIGHT NOW!!!!

:( :( :( :( :(

I just want to curl up in the corner and die.

:(

oh to be a woman. (at least i'm not pregnant)

I'd much rather have cramps than the PMS i'm dealing with right now.

Yesterday, I started BAWLING when I opened a bridal shower invitation.

That's a lil' nuts...even for me. :nonono:

[scarlette]

MAKE THE PAIN STOP! i've taken 2 aleve already!

3 advil always do the trick for me...they even work better than the prescribed meds from the gyno.

[Daveraver]

I really didn't know where else to put this but...

Our office, through a series of mistakes with a certain telemarketer, receives a subscription to details magazine. No one in the office reads Details, so they generally collect in the bathroom until someone gets fed up enough with the utter gayness of the magazine.

So I've been staring at Patrick Dempsey every time I take a piss for the past couple of weeks. I find it oddly comforting.

Alright, back to your PMS talk.

[Fidget]

I really didn't know where else to put this but...

Our office, through a series of mistakes with a certain telemarketer, receives a subscription to details magazine. No one in the office reads Details, so they generally collect in the bathroom until someone gets fed up enough with the utter gayness of the magazine.

So I've been staring at Patrick Dempsey every time I take a piss for the past couple of weeks. I find it oddly comforting.

Alright, back to your PMS talk.

Is it on stands now? Or old??

Sister, you know I can relate. ;)

[Daveraver]

Is it on stands now? Or old??

Sister, you know I can relate. ;)

When watching on Sunday with Eileen I called him McDreams.

I shortened his name.

This has got to stop.

[regina]

I really didn't know where else to put this but...

Our office, through a series of mistakes with a certain telemarketer, receives a subscription to details magazine. No one in the office reads Details, so they generally collect in the bathroom until someone gets fed up enough with the utter gayness of the magazine.

So I've been staring at Patrick Dempsey every time I take a piss for the past couple of weeks. I find it oddly comforting.

Alright, back to your PMS talk.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Katielady]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

dave has a piss-crush.

[Fidget]

When watching on Sunday with Eileen I called him McDreams.

I shortened his name.

This has got to stop.

Do you ever wonder who Adison is talking about when she refers to that *Derek* dude?

PS...I got the first season on DVD for Valentine's Day. Don't tinkle yourself with jealousy. :p

[blueskygirl]

self-defense for the ladies... thoughts or into on this, anyone?

maybe some of us want to take class(es) together? tho judging by our group yoga efforts this is probably a long-shot :nice:

bsg

[deanna]

i do think that i should get some mace or something. i spend a lot of time alone and i'm not always so smart about it. it's good to be reminded that we are not invincible.

[blueskygirl]

i do think that i should get some mace or something. i spend a lot of time alone and i'm not always so smart about it. it's good to be reminded that we are not invincible.

i want to be able to kick someones ass, gonna do the research and see whats best (martial arts or some such).

bs toughguy:mad: g

[Fidget]

I started taking cardio kickboxing last year again, and then got into the real deal boxing.

My gym has a boxing ring and everything...it kicks some serious ass. Anyone who's in the Astoria area or who wants to make the treck and is interested is welcome to join me one of these days...:)

[deanna]

i want to be able to kick someones ass, gonna do the research and see whats best (martial arts or some such).

bs toughguy:mad: g

man the thought of being attacked scares the shit out of me and i pray it never happens. i do wonder what i would do and if i would be a real fighter or not, i'd like to think i could put up a good fight but you never really know unless put in some kind of a situation. it's never a bad idea to take self defence classes.

[LakerLover]

self-defense for the ladies... thoughts or into on this, anyone?




i took a self defence class when I was 14 and it was AWESOME. It was a method called Chimera (or something like that) but it was all really smart moves.


Biggest suggestion is that the first point of attack if someone is going at you is not the groin but the knee. The knee only bends one way and if you kick it in the right spot, you totally disable someone and can run safely to help. I really highly recommend it.

[Miss Chief]

i want to be able to kick someones ass, gonna do the research and see whats best (martial arts or some such).

bs toughguy:mad: g

i definitely learned some helpful moves in kickboxing classes too, but for straight up self defense, i understand that reality-based self defense classes are supposed to be the best...they deal with scenario issues like weapons and your perpetrator being much larger than you.

you may want to consider that in your research.

[Miss Chief]

i do wonder what i would do and if i would be a real fighter or not, i'd like to think i could put up a good fight but you never really know unless put in some kind of a situation.

if you're anything like me, and i think you are, you'd end up fighting - it's a HORRIBLE idea/reaction and i hate to think of the consequences that my gut reaction to 'aggress' my aggressor could have had if they weren't drugged up pussies :nonono:

[deanna]

if you're anything like me, and i think you are, you'd end up fighting - it's a HORRIBLE idea/reaction and i hate to think of the consequences that my gut reaction to 'aggress' my aggressor could have had if they weren't drugged up pussies :nonono:

shit i'm glad you put up a good fight girl! i punched a guy once. that's about it. but i used to play basketball and i always fouled out for being to aggresive so i'd also hope that i could take someone down if i had to. hope i'm never put to the challenge though.

[LakerLover]

reality-based self defense classes


that's totally chimera!!! They teach you these mental techniques that would instantaniously cause you to react if you were being attacked in addition to ways to look out for danger signs. Its a really good method

[blueskygirl]

i definitely learned some helpful moves in kickboxing classes too, but for straight up self defense, i understand that reality-based self defense classes are supposed to be the best...they deal with scenario issues like weapons and your perpetrator being much larger than you.

you may want to consider that in your research.

thanks, i surely will.

i'd like to learn kickboxing, self-defense benefits aside, and then also some reality based self defense to go along with it, sounds like a good recipe. i'll keep researching and keep this all in mind.

thanks again, luv :kiss:

bs:)g

[deanna]

also they say that one of the best ways to avoid danger at all is to look someone suspicious in the eyes. say you are walking down the street alone and by yourself the best thing to do is keep you head up, be alert to your surroundings and if you have to walk past someone look right at them --it's supposedly throws them off guard and also a lot of attackers would not want to be recognized by you later. it also shows a level of confidence and you are probably less likely to get fucked with.

[doki doki]

Recently, I have become obsessed with finding a pair of black patent leather pumps, preferably with a more pointy than rounded toe. They would be sexy enough to wear out on the town but sophisticated enough to wear to work. Just plain, simple heels without any trimmings.

You'd figure they would be easy to track down. Well, they aren't. Does anyone have suggestions or have recently seen a pair? Not looking to drop $300 or anything like that, but want them to be decent quality.

[Fidget]

K...so I remember a while ago a bunch of us chatting how fantastic Express' Editor Pant is (( until the hem falls out :lol: )).

Well, by pure accident this weekend I bought the Stylist. I may be late on this bandwagon since I'm partial to the Editor...but, the Stylist is even MORE lovely if that's possible. They're slightly more fitted, work wonders on shaping you hips...and are slightly less expensive.

I suggest all you Editor addicts give them a whirl, if you haven't already.

:kiss:

[blueskygirl]

also they say that one of the best ways to avoid danger at all is to look someone suspicious in the eyes. say you are walking down the street alone and by yourself the best thing to do is keep you head up, be alert to your surroundings and if you have to walk past someone look right at them --it's supposedly throws them off guard and also a lot of attackers would not want to be recognized by you later. it also shows a level of confidence and you are probably less likely to get fucked with.

i thought it was that you should look at their hands and not their eyes, as in they distract you with eye contact and pull out their weapon or whatever.

both theories make sense to me tho.

hmm... i really need to get to the bottom of all of this.

bsg

[blueskygirl]

but on a lighter note, i'm taking a belly dancing class and an african/modern dancing class next week :kiss:

bs:Dg

[Ms Tasty 13]

but on a lighter note, i'm taking a belly dancing class and an african/modern dancing class next week :kiss:

bs:Dg

Oh, fun... I have a few belly-dancing workout DVDs, I love them!

And I would be interested in taking a self-defense class with you if you find one you like (I'll keep an eye out too)...

[Ms Tasty 13]

And on the topic of self-defense, here are some tips...


1. Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your
body. If
you are close enough to use it, do!

2. Learned this from a tourist guide to New Orleans: if a robber asks
for
your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from
you....
chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than
you
and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car: Kick out the back
tail
lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The
driver won't see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping,
eating,
working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list,
etc.
DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the
perfect
opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your
head,
and tell you where to go.

AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.

5. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or
parking
garage:

A.) Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger
side
floor, and in the back seat.

B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the
passenger
door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into
their
vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.

C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and
the
passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your
car, you
may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman
to
walk you back out.

IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than
dead.)

6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs.(Stairwells are
horrible
places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).

7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
RUN!
The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And
even
then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!

8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may
get
you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking,
well
educated man,who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women.
He
walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his
vehicle
or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

[blueskygirl]

Oh, fun... I have a few belly-dancing workout DVDs, I love them!

And I would be interested in taking a self-defense class with you if you find one you like (I'll keep an eye out too)...

awesome! :)

i'd love to know which videos you use and like, i love fitness videos! (i actually post at www.videofitness.com :nice: )

missed you at dinner last week :kiss::(

bs:)g

[Fidget]

but on a lighter note, i'm taking a belly dancing class and an african/modern dancing class next week :kiss:

bs:Dg

oooh...they offer that at my gym. Let us know how you liked the class, maybe I'll give it a whirl.

[Ms Tasty 13]

awesome! :)

i'd love to know which videos you use and like, i love fitness videos! (i actually post at www.videofitness.com :nice: )

missed you at dinner last week :kiss::(

bs:)g

Yeah, wish I coulda made it. :(

The bellydance video I like best so far is one with the twins. It's called Basic Moves, or something along those lines. I also have one from the Goddess Workout series, the beginner/ intermediate workouts (a 2-disc set). It's ok, but not the best for a true beginner- unless you already have a grasp on the moves it's not the easiest to follow.

I just ordered a bunch of dvds... I'll pass along any recommendations once I get a chance to try them out! :p

[blueskygirl]

Yeah, wish I coulda made it. :(

The bellydance video I like best so far is one with the twins. It's called Basic Moves, or something along those lines. I also have one from the Goddess Workout series, the beginner/ intermediate workouts (a 2-disc set). It's ok, but not the best for a true beginner- unless you already have a grasp on the moves it's not the easiest to follow.

I just ordered a bunch of dvds... I'll pass along any recommendations once I get a chance to try them out! :p

yes, please do!
i have lots to recommend if anyone is interested, but also, that website has a giant library of video user reviews. it's a great resource for those who don't want to waste money on crappy videos :nice:

so jealous and happy for you.... wooo, new videos!! :D

xoxox

:)

[chompers]

but on a lighter note, i'm taking a belly dancing class and an african/modern dancing class next week :kiss:

bs:Dg
oooo i've thought of doing that. keep us updated on how it is in terms of fitness, overall fun, etc.


i'm considering taking pole dancing lessons. the strength and toning attained pole dancing is unreal. plus, it's always a nice skill to have.

[blueskygirl]

oooo i've thought of doing that. keep us updated on how it is in terms of fitness, overall fun, etc.


i'm considering taking pole dancing lessons. the strength and toning attained pole dancing is unreal. plus, it's always a nice skill to have.

:lol: i agree entirely :kiss:

bs:pg

[Ms Tasty 13]

i'm considering taking pole dancing lessons. the strength and toning attained pole dancing is unreal. plus, it's always a nice skill to have.

Oh, I'm sure that would be a ton of fun, I'm just not sure how practical it really is. But then again, the Mr. installed a pole in a club once before, I guess he could put one in the spare room... :evil: :lol:

[rod]

oooo i've thought of doing that. keep us updated on how it is in terms of fitness, overall fun, etc.


i'm considering taking pole dancing lessons. the strength and toning attained pole dancing is unreal. plus, it's always a nice skill to have.




what is dt going to think of all this pole dancing?

[doki doki]

oooo i've thought of doing that. keep us updated on how it is in terms of fitness, overall fun, etc.


i'm considering taking pole dancing lessons. the strength and toning attained pole dancing is unreal. plus, it's always a nice skill to have.

Pole dancing is mad fun when you learn the right way to work it. I was in a "post-apocalyptic rave" version of a Shakespeare play at school once -- obviously experiemental theater -- where I had to learn to pole dance for practically the entire show. It's really hard! But it improves your upper and lower body strength and your flexibility. Plus, it's a huge confidence boost to see yourself get better and better at it.

[mshollyk]

i haven't looked at this thread for a long time, so i don't know if it's been mentioned, but i thought i'd let you know about the enell sports bra, which i got a few months ago. it flattens me up nicely, that's why i love it, but some of you may appreciate the fact that it's a completely no-bounce bra, GREAT for high impact activities. title 9 calls it the last resort bra. if you want to get it online, you can order it through enell's site (http://www.enell.com) or through title 9's site. it's also available at orchard corset on orchard st. i wear a 32DD, which is a hard size to find, but enell has it :)

[The Voyeur]

Problem:
M's waxing mistress left her salon and did not leave a forwarding address.

Solution:
Identifying a new waxing salon/person on the Upper West Side who isnt unreasonably priced and is ultra-hygenic.

Help?

[Katielady]

Problem:
M's waxing mistress left her salon and did not leave a forwarding address.

Solution:
Identifying a new waxing salon/person on the Upper West Side who isnt unreasonably priced and is ultra-hygenic.

Help?

Translation:
Voyeur is panicking about the possibility of losing the smoov poon. :lol:

[The Voyeur]

Translation:
Voyeur is panicking about the possibility of losing the smoov poon. :lol:

Exactly.
Now help me out before I get rug burn

[Fidget]

UWS is a toughie...maybe Shirley or Sai can point you & the Mrs. in the direction...?


Anyhooter...I have a question.

What brands/types of make-up brushes are you ladies using these days? I've stuck to my tried and true Prescriptives brushes...for as long as I can remember they've been fantastic, never shedding on my face...but they're older than dirt and starting to do just that.

Anything you can recommend? Basically I just need blush, shadow, and angle brushes...but am open to suggestions. I also prefer straight blush brushes, not angled ones.

:kiss:

[La Troya]

UWS is a toughie...maybe Shirley or Sai can point you & the Mrs. in the direction...?


Anyhooter...I have a question.

What brands/types of make-up brushes are you ladies using these days? I've stuck to my tried and true Prescriptives brushes...for as long as I can remember they've been fantastic, never shedding on my face...but they're older than dirt and starting to do just that.

Anything you can recommend? Basically I just need blush, shadow, and angle brushes...but am open to suggestions. I also prefer straight blush brushes, not angled ones.

:kiss:

I use the sephora brushes for foundation and eyeshadow. A thin angled for lining my eye, and a brush that's a cross between a blending and a crease brushes.

I am SOOOO PMSing!!
my boobs are all hyper-sensitive, and I've been shoveling everything edible into my mouth today :nonono:

[Krizia]

I like my bobbi brown blush brush, its big and soft

[LakerLover]

Trish McEvoy Brushes are the softest EVER (but also MEGA expensive)

Stilla has a life time bursh guarentee. If the brush gets messed up or old you can ring it to any counter and they'll return it

MAC burshes truly suck though. They are rough and cheaply made. The easily loose their shape


Whatever brush you decide on, it is important to remember to clean them with shampoo (frequency depends on usage) and then reshape (form into original shape so it will dry as such)

[eileen]

BCBG $100 off coupon

[theredmenace]

In terms of fitness videos...

www.BeachBody.com is the GREATEST!

You may never have to buy anything again...

I did Power 90 -- this 90 day program of alternating weights and cardio, and five years later it's still my staple for whenever I want a break from the gym... Their weights videos have *all* the greatest free weights moves that'll target every last part of your body and get you max hot...

Seriously. Seriously. I recommend you girls check it out. :kiss:

[UESGirl]

I like Laura Mercier Brushes..their liquid eyeliner brush is the best.

[blueskygirl]

In terms of fitness videos...

www.BeachBody.com is the GREATEST!

You may never have to buy anything again...

I did Power 90 -- this 90 day program of alternating weights and cardio, and five years later it's still my staple for whenever I want a break from the gym... Their weights videos have *all* the greatest free weights moves that'll target every last part of your body and get you max hot...

Seriously. Seriously. I recommend you girls check it out. :kiss:

cool, thanks!

bs:)g

[blueskygirl]

omg, you guys....!

so in a desperate attempt to do some pre-wmc hair management on the cheap (i spent all of my miami money on my sick cat :() i came to beauty night preparing to wax my legs and underarms myself :eek: we couldn't find the wax, but then my beauty-consultant-extraordinaire and dear friend J9 said 'here, why don't you try the epilady (ca. 1985)?' well, i did, and let me just say that the epilady is fucking awesome. very painful, yes, but also, totally effective. i got the same exact results as if i'd been waxed, only instead of costing me $50, it was free, and will be free for life now that i've asked to 'borrow' the epilady indefinitely.

holy crap, where would i be without my friends??

hairlessly yours,

blueskygirl :D

[Katielady]

omg, you guys....!

so in a desperate attempt to do some pre-wmc hair management on the cheap (i spent all of my miami money on my sick cat :() i came to beauty night preparing to wax my legs and underarms myself :eek: we couldn't find the wax, but then my beauty-consultant-extraordinaire and dear friend J9 said 'here, why don't you try the epilady (ca. 1985)?' well, i did, and let me just say that the epilady is fucking awesome. very painful, yes, but also, totally effective. i got the same exact results as if i'd been waxed, only instead of costing me $50, it was free, and will be free for life now that i've asked to 'borrow' the epilady indefinitely.

holy crap, where would i be without my friends??

hairlessly yours,

blueskygirl :D


Sweet! I have a silk-epil, which is the new version of the epilady, and it does indeed rock. Not for the faint of heart...you feel every hair as it's plucked out...but it works great, and there's no sticky mess as with waxing. On my super-tough days I'll even do some of the bikini area with it.

One word of caution...be sure your skin is pulled nice and taut before you do an area, because it can get pinched. Owie.

[Katielady]

hi chicas!

A few things...

1) Does anyone know a good hairstylist, anywhere in Manhattan really but downtown preferred, who does well with fine, thin hair? I have babyfine hair, and I find that a lot of stylists cut it like it's thick, which is no worky. I'm breaking up with my old stylist because she wasn't listening to what I wanted, and kept giving me choppy, angular, too-boyish dos.


I'm bumping this cuz I still need a new hair stylist. Any recommendations? Doesn't necessarily have to be someone who specializes in fine hair, but that would be a plus.

[deanna]

I'm bumping this cuz I still need a new hair stylist. Any recommendations? Doesn't necessarily have to be someone who specializes in fine hair, but that would be a plus.

again i will say that i love my salon Commune in willyb! i've been going to this japanese guy there --really great, his name is Nobu, but all the stylists there are great.

jbb went there on my recommendation and she loved it too!

[blueskygirl]

Sweet! I have a silk-epil, which is the new version of the epilady, and it does indeed rock. Not for the faint of heart...you feel every hair as it's plucked out...but it works great, and there's no sticky mess as with waxing. On my super-tough days I'll even do some of the bikini area with it.

One word of caution...be sure your skin is pulled nice and taut before you do an area, because it can get pinched. Owie.


I did my whole bikini with this thing, damn near brazillian, even! My girlfriends are mystified by what a tough guy I am :D But now that I'm used to it it's not a big deal... I did it while laying around watching a movie :cool:

bs woot,freehairremoval! g

[Chiron]

Spring's a-comin' ladies. Get your boobie houses in order! 85% of women don't wear the correct size bra. I decided to get myself into the 15% this weekend past at Intimacy on Madison Ave. For the first time ever in my life, I got sized BY SIGHT! I now occupy just the right amount of space to fill a 32E. Also, I'm one of those who hates for the nips to peek through the shirt, so I got a set of "Dimmers" (http://www.dimrs.com/). They're these nifty, soft inserts you put in your bra that dim your headlights. I love them.

So yeah, I won't be going back to the store b/c it was a ZOO (even though I had an appointment--grrrrrrrr...) but now that I know what size I wear, I can order my slings online.

Forever yours in boobdom,
Momma Carmen

[Katielady]

again i will say that i love my salon Commune in willyb! i've been going to this japanese guy there --really great, his name is Nobu, but all the stylists there are great.

jbb went there on my recommendation and she loved it too!

I need someone in Manhattan. Thanks though! :)

[Fidget]

"Dimmers".

:lol:


But good topic on finding the right bra size Carmen! After the weight I've lost, etc. I'm finding that I'm seriously in btwn bra sizes. One size will be way too loose and not feel very supportive, and one # size smaller feels a bit too snug.

Anyone know of makers who specialize in in-between sizes, but who don't charge an arm and a leg?

[Miss Chief]

Tahari Sample Sale :D

March 22-24th 8a-8p 25th 10a-3p
520 5th Avenue @ 42nd Street, 2nd Floor

[Chiron]

:lol:


But good topic on finding the right bra size Carmen! After the weight I've lost, etc. I'm finding that I'm seriously in btwn bra sizes. One size will be way too loose and not feel very supportive, and one # size smaller feels a bit too snug.

Anyone know of makers who specialize in in-between sizes, but who don't charge an arm and a leg?
My sizing was F-R-E-E. Go get professionally sized. You don't have to walk out of there buying anything. After you do that, my sister says that Bare Necessities Online (of course I don't have the URL) is where she gets her bras. Ideally I would like to spend less, so I'm gonna go browse over there.

Every woman needs at least one properly-sized bra. Mine were $56 apiece and I only bought 2 b/c the dimmers were $30 and I gotta feed my baby. That's the main reason why I was spending so much on her feeding implements. :lol:

Here you go Marci: http://www.barenecessities.com/. Congratulations on the weight loss honey. Pray for me--I'm down to my last 17 lbs to get back to pre-pregnancy weight.

I just got back from browsing over at Bare Necessities. Well, being a funky size is costly. I can't get into anything for under $40. Dammit.

[regina]

thanks eileen!

carmen--32E :eek: good going! ;)

[Katielady]

I did my whole bikini with this thing, damn near brazillian, even! My girlfriends are mystified by what a tough guy I am :D But now that I'm used to it it's not a big deal... I did it while laying around watching a movie :cool:

bs woot,freehairremoval! g

Dude. Hats off to you. (Or maybe "panties off" is more appropriate?) My friends think I'm nuts for doing my underarms with that contraption...I can't image a near-Brazilian. You is tuff. :D

[shawteeroc]

I did my whole bikini with this thing, damn near brazillian, even! My girlfriends are mystified by what a tough guy I am :D But now that I'm used to it it's not a big deal... I did it while laying around watching a movie :cool:

bs woot,freehairremoval! g


To clarify, you gave yourself a near Brazilian with the epilady while watching a movie at beauty night in front of your friends? :eek:

[Katielady]

To clarify, you gave yourself a near Brazilian with the epilady while watching a movie at beauty night in front of your friends? :eek:

:lol:

pics? :lol:

[blueskygirl]

To clarify, you gave yourself a near Brazilian with the epilady while watching a movie at beauty night in front of your friends? :eek:

did my legs and pits at beauty night, getting drunk and :toke: (necessary for first time epilady use, imo) with girls
did near-brazillian in bed watching movie at home the next day, no sedation required :cool:
told beauty night girls about it day after that :)

bs sillyrabbits:lol:g

[Katielady]

OK so I did a google search for "fine hair nyc stylist" and found someone who sounds good in manhattan. Meanwhile, I also foung this *great* article on styling and caring for fine hair. Thought I'd share for those of you who also have baby-fine locks. :)

http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip109.htm

FINE HAIR SOLUTIONS
The lowdown on which cuts, styling techniques and products really work for fine and thinning hair.
By Victoria Wurdinger
Revised Edition: 7/2001

Introduction
Nothing underscores life's irony like career paths. While one of my friends, a complete teetotaler, became a brand manager at Seagram's Liqueur, I , with my baby fine, impossibly slow-to-grow hair, ended up writing for cosmetology textbooks, salon and beauty magazines, and even hair care manufacturers.

Talk about initiation by fire! Suddenly, I was expected to have a hurricane mane (like half the women around me) and to be a hair expert. I was flooded with requests from hairdressers to perm or cut my hair--more pointedly, they'd say, "You have to cut that mop; fine hair looks terrible that long." Back then, the thinking was that fine hair never looked good unless it was cut into a super-short bob and the tactics for getting clients were clearly unrefined.

Throughout my 20-year career, I've been in hundreds of salons, from London to Moscow, New York to San Francisco, and had haircuts that ranged from $15 to $250. I've also had every cut imaginable, a slew of bad perms and hair colors I shouldn't have tried. Naturally, fine hair became my forte and I explored countless techniques for "enhancing" fine hair, ranging from undercutting, in which short pieces of hair "plump" up longer surface strands to create volume, to relaxing fine hair, since sodium hydroxide "will really blow up the cuticle," transforming fine, straight strands into a real bomb. (I passed on actually trying the later.)

If you're ready for the best, the worst and what really works, here's 20 year's worth of hard-earned knowledge, straight from the best hairdressers in the world--and the real-life litmus test!

Making The Cut
There are certain hair cuts that make fine hair look lots better, but first, you should understand what fine hair really is, because it's not necessarily thin. "Fine" refers to the diameter of a single strand. So, you can have fine hair that's abundant, because you can have many individual strands per square inch.

You can also have fine and thin or thinning hair, which means you've got strands that are small in diameter and on top if it, you don't have a lot of them. Age, diet, stress, medication and other factors can make fine but abundant hair begin to thin, and appear sparse in density.

While the degree to which hair is fine or both fine and sparse determines the best cut for you, as a general rule, it's true that when hair is shorter and almost all a single length, it'll look its fullest.

For this reason, the top five cuts for any type of fine hair are:

The Bob - in its thousands of variations. A short bob (ear-lobe length) made my hair look super-healthy and about twice as abundant as it really is. Unfortunately, I didn't care for how it worked with my heart-shaped face. A longer bob was better.

The Chop - in basic bob-length with irregular ends. It gave my fine, sparse hair both style and shape and was easy to maintain, when cut above the shoulders. It worked lots better than a totally blunt cut, which looked limp and lacked dimension.

The Cap Cut - with its all-bangs approach. Best for petite or oval facial shapes.

The Crop - which really refers to any short, tapered cut. Crops look cool on younger women; if you're over 45, watch out for what they do to your chin and neckline in profile. Also, short crops put so much focus on your eyes, they draw attention to less than flawless skin.

The Lightly Layered Mid-length - You can go just to or even below the shoulder with a smart shape and regular trims. A cut like this, from Minardi Salon in NYC, is my best cut yet. It brushes my shoulders, is cut on a slightly diagonal-forward moving line at the sides and contains a few, light layers, which provide volume when I blow dry my hair.

In Addition
If your hair is fine but abundant, your hair will look thicker and fuller:

With some layers. While you can wear your hair to shoulder-length, or even longer if you wish, a few carefully cut layers will add fullness and dimension. However, if too may layers are cut in, the shape of the cut will collapse, which can make fine hair look thin and lifeless.

With a custom-shaped perimeter. If you want to wear your hair longer, have the sides cut along a diagonal-forward moving line. Hair will be longest in front, the strong shape helps locks look thicker and the angle helps push hair forward. Also, hair cut on an angle is easy to turn under, which adds fullness. As an option, have just the long pieces that frame your face sliced on an angle, so hair turns inward below your chin. This gives your hair more shape than a longer blunt cut.

With wisped ends. If you wear your hair to the shoulders or a bit longer, another option is to have the ends "notched" into or chiseled. This is an always popular look. It gives you a light, air feeling and ends can be turned up for a contemporary, irregular flip. The wispy ends of the chop actually help camouflage the fact hair is fine--especially when you need a trim.

If your hair is both fine and thin or thinning (sparse):

Stylists say a short cut best, but how short is too short? This depends largely on your facial shape. If it's round, go with a longer, short cut to slenderize your face. If it's elongated, create the illusion of width with fullness at bottom. If it's diamond-shaped, keep the length below widest part of your face. Of course, there are plenty of times you'll want to break these old rules, which were created to "downplay flaws." If you've got confidence and attitude, you can even look great highlighting a feature that has been traditionally downplayed.

Wear your hair smooth and close to your head, with the ends flipped up or under. Try cuts that were intended to be worn behind your ears. This naturally makes it look like you've got more hair.

Ask your stylist about variations on the Cap, Bowl and Crop cuts. Consider what bangs bring to the table, besides concealing a sparse, irregular front hairline. When the back is cropped super-short and the long front "bang" area is worn close to your head, you can go for a smooth style or add a few layers for texture. Imagine a cut with all the hair from crown brushed forward and cut into heavy bangs. You can trim the sides around your ears, leave wispy sideburns or let bangs continue into a softened bowl cut. A good stylist can blend the best elements of each of these cuts.

An asymmetric style makes it look like you have more hair. The cut stacks up on the heavy side and lighter side is supposed to look like less. Tuck the lighter side behind your ear and all that fullness on heavier side stands out even more.

The cardinal rule is "kept simple." Consider a short cut that does not require much volume, or a longer look that gets its kick from a smooth, shiny surface.

If like a longer look, get trims religiously. Fine hair looks its worst when it starts to lose the shape of the cut and the first sign is straggly, ragged ends.

Fattening It Up
Rather than talk about roller sets and styling techniques that create the illusion of thicker hair, let's go right to the new, more exciting stuff--technology. About 10 years ago, there were a slew of products that claimed to help you grow more hair--they're gone because they didn't work. (Incidentally, Rogaine is still the only product that's proven to grow hair, to the satisfaction of the FDA.)

Taking a new tact, manufacturers have focused on ways to fatten up individual strands, so that fine hair looks and feels more substantial per strand--and more abundant overall. The first of these products relied on wheat proteins, which were infused into the cortex, to plump it up. Some got super-sticky if you used too much, but all had some degree of effectiveness, when you used them with the heat from your blow dryer. Still, with 60% of all American women defining their hair as "fine," manufacturers knew they could do better.

Today, there's a new generation of hair thickeners, and they come in complete product lines that include a shampoo, conditioner, and styling products especially for fine, thin or thinning hair. Some work much better than others, and you can bet, I've tried them all.

Technology's Triumph: Five Great Hair Thickening Products That Really Work:
Since I don't expect that you'll run right out and invest in an entire line, I've listed the top five products that fatten up fine hair, all on their own. If you like the product and the company also offers an entire line, obviously it's worth trying.

Styling Infusion Thickening Crème from Graham Webb. This product is part of a "System," but on its own, just a dime-sized amount makes fine, sparse hair look fuller and feel thicker. It takes a little getting used to, if you expect to touch your hair and feel soft, baby-fine locks. That bunny-fur feeling is gone, because your hair has undergone a genuine change. Even though you're supposed to activate the product with heat, I found it adds thickness even when I comb it through, put my hair up and allow it to air dry.

Call 1-800-456-WEBB for a salon near you that sells this product.

Thicken Crème From Anasazi. I was surprised at the technological sophistication of this product from Anasazi, a line that's been around for a while but never made it big. Just a dab, used with a blow dryer, made my hair look thicker, fuller and hold a Velcro set better. It was my second favorite styling product.

Call 1-800-869-9393 for the salon nearest you selling Anasazi.

Basic Texture's Be Thick Thickening Hair Crème from Graham Webb. Webb's Basic Texture product line includes a "Be Thick" shampoo, conditioner, thickening & texturizing spray gel, and the hair crème. The crème had more body/fullness benefits than actual fattening-up-each-strand action, like my Number One choice, but it still is an excellent product--especially if you have fine but somewhat abundant hair. Webb Rules!

ARTec Textureline Volume Gel. While this product is more of a traditional voluminizer than an individual-strand fattener, I love it because: it works; it leaves your hair manageable, full and shiny; and the way it leaves my hair feeling is more like the way I'm used to it feeling--soft, not rough. If you blow dry regularly or want a dab of gel to mix with water and mist onto a Velcro set, this is the product to use.

Call 1-800-323-6817 for a salon near you selling ARTec.

KMS' AMP, Volume Leave-in Thickening Cream. AMP is another high-tech product that actually makes a difference, but I'd add a caution--be careful you don't use too much. Just a pea-sized amount might be enough for your hair, and always emulsify the product between your palms before applying, like the directions say.

For a salon locator, go to the KMS Website.
Other products to try include Matrix Amplify Gel and Edwin Paul Gel/Mousse and Volume Mist.

Musts to Avoid

Just as some products are great for making fine hair fuller, others are as incompatible with fine locks as oil is with water--and they create just about the same effect.

* Avoid waxes, molding muds and polishers. As often as stylists have tried to tell me they're great for my hair, a single one has yet to prove it. Even a minute amount of certain products makes fine hair look limp and greasy; stylists who tried to use waxes, polishes and hair sticks on me ended up telling me the "dirty" hair look was in, by way of explaining the results.

* Stick to lightweight gels or light hair pastes; heavy gels can weight your hair down.

* Avoid shiner mists and silicone sprays--unless you spray each side of your head just one time with the product held at least 8 inches away. Don't even think about adding more "shine" later. All you'll get is grease. And flat hair.

* Texture cremes and stylers intended to create "bed head." Face it, if you have fine hair, achieving the bed head look is easy. Getting a nice style is hard. And on fine hair, "bed head" just looks like a bunch of separated, skinny pieces. Cool, hey?

Pumping Up The Volume
When Neutrogena commissioned the research firm Yankelovich Partners to explore "bad hair days," the firm found that 90% of female respondents had them. But what were they? Days when hair is "out of place," according to 76% of respondents; "flat" hair (63%) ; or limp" locks (58%). What do you do when "flat and limp" describes your hair type on any give day? Probably, have a whole lot of bad hair days.

While everyone has styling tricks that make fine hair look better, here are a few of my favorites, which are easy for anyone, and work especially well with a great, fine-hair cut and the new thickening products.

One of the simplest ways to get full-looking locks, root lift and volume is to let your hair dry on top of your head. Because roots dry upward, the lift lasts! The only drawback: this home trick requires you have enough time to let hair air dry. After shampooing, use a super wide-toothed comb to remove tangles, working from the ends, up. Then comb through a voluminizer like ARTec's Volume Gel or your favorite hair thickener. Comb hair straight up, and secure it on top or curve the ends smoothly and clip them in place. You can also make a top ponytail and twist all your hair until it buckles back. This gives you volume and texture, but even fine, thin hair takes a while to dry this way. You can cheat by blow drying when hair is still damp, or occasionally re-wrapping hair to expose different sections to the surface air.

Dry and style in two steps. Use high heat on your blow dryer to get most the water out of your hair, then apply styling products and begin styling when hair is 80% dry. According to J. F. Lazartigue the more water you remove from your hair before you begin styling, the more likely it will hold the style and look full. It's absolutely true.

If you've heard you should dry your hair while bent at the waist, guess again. If you want extra volume, start by lifting the roots straight up or out with a round brush while your head is held upright. This gives you lots more lift that you get from hanging your head upside down, because you're using more tension and creating the amount of firm, root lift you want.

Want easy volume? If you wear an asymmetrical style. For years stylists have recommended you dry your hair in the opposite direction of which you'll wear it. It works, because you're lifting roots one way, drying them, then brushing them the other way. Naturally, they lift up. Even techniques makes a wave out of a front cowlick.

Use mousse or hair spray as both stylers and finishers. Fine hair's worst enemy is humidity and a stylist at Jacques Dessange taught me this trick: Remove most the moisture from your hair, then use half your mousse as you blow dry to style. Use a round brush to lift the roots first, then dry the ends. Turn the ends up or under as you pull the strand taut, so you can dry the remainder of the strand and the ends at once. Finish drying. Now, take mousse between your fingers, rub them together and detail the ends, root lift or any other areas you want to have extra hold. This fights off humidity and works even better with today's light foam stylers, because they liquefy rapidly. You can also use hairspray as a styler and a finisher. After drying your hair, lift sections you want to have extra lift, shoot hairspray on the underside of the section and then add a quick blast from your blow dryer. Mist all over or just underneath strands with hairspray to finish.

Getting Set
Chances are, you've read plenty about Velcro Sets, hot rollers, perms and more. All you really have to do is experiment, and keep these basic tips in mind.

Hot rollers or under-dryer wet sets work best on fine hair, because these change the hair's structure and your set will hold longer. Basically, when hair is wet, water breaks down hydrogen and saline bonds, causing keratin chains to slide against each other. When you set your hair, you realign the chains into a new shape, and bonds are formed around that shape--which is the shape of your roller or setting tool. Heat speeds up this process; cooling down solidifies the bonds, setting in the shape. If you pop in self-adhering rollers and mist on a spray gel or small amount of water, your set won't hold half as long as it will when hair goes through this re-bonding process.

When you set your hair, never remove hot roller--or rollers that were heated under a hood dryer-- before they've cooled completely. Remember, cooling down actually "sets-in" the shape. This is also why today's blow dryers have "cool-shot" features.

Don't use heavy gels when setting your hair. Check out the new thickening spray gels and voluminizing and gel mousse sprays instead.

Try variations on the set. You don't always need rollers--twist hair into pincurls, use rag rollers or check out other setting tools that add lift and texture. Ones that create imprecise texture often conceal hair's sparse nature far more than a perfect roller set.

Having It All
Sorry, you usually can't have it all in life, but you can have access to almost all the other great things I've learned that make fine hair look better. These should also put some beauty myths to rest:

Fine hair looks thicker with a darker hair color; if it's light blonde, it looks thinner. If your hair is actually thinning and light blonde, you risk scalp show-through. You can add brightness, lightness and dimension by getting surface highlights. When highlights contrast against a dark base, hair looks thicker and more dimensional.

Have you heard that hair color makes hair seem thicker because it coats the shaft? As much as I love color, this may be stretching it. A brunette, dark blonde or red semi-permanent color with semi-permanent highlights might make hair appear thicker, but it won't feel much different. If you use bleach to create the highlights, it'll feel rougher because you're beginning to damage to fine, fragile hair. That's why more and more hairdressers are using color products, not bleach, to create safe, healthy highlights.

Perming and coloring degrades the hair fiber by breaking too many bonds that never reform. Don't listen to pitches about new perm products that were intended to be used on color-treated hair or vice versa.

There's no hair type that they leave in totally healthy condition, and if your hair is thin or fine…Forgetaboutit! The many hairdressers who have confided in me about perms and color have all complained that manufacturers push the concept, simply to boost sales, and 100% of those hairdressers insist there is no way using the two together creates healthy hair. You can have both, once in a great while, if your hair is already super healthy and your stylist is a chemical pro. Even then, don't expect your hair to be as healthy as it was before the treatments.

If you do want a perm and your hair is thinning, ask your hairdresser about using a bricklay or a zig-zag parting pattern, so the perm rods create no obvious splits in your hair. The same applies to setting your hair. Rather than set your hair in straight lines and ending up with separation between rollers where scalp shows through, set your hair using a bricklay pattern (position rollers the way bricks are staggered on a wall), or take zig-zag partings.

If you already have a perm, mist your hair with spray gel and "push" hair into the style in which it was permed. Don’t re-set hair following the identical pattern in which perm rods were placed. (People with thick, abundant hair can do this to reinforce a perm, not those with fine, thin hair.)

Less is more? It depends on what you get less of. You've probably heard that you should use lower blow-dryer heat settings (less heat) for fine hair, so you don't "scorch" or heat-damage hair. The truth is, it matters more your hair is exposed to heat for less time. So, use high heat and dry your hair faster. Don't use a lower setting and expose your hair to heat for a much longer period of time. (The same basic concept applies to perms and relaxers when the choice is between a stronger product or a longer processing time.) As for scorching, unless you hold your blow dryer a few inches from your head and refuse to move it back and forth, you shouldn't be too worried. If you use curling irons or crimpers, use only as much heat as you need, for only as long as you need. Frankly, there are better, safer styling tools for fine hair.

When it comes to shampooing and conditioning, there are a couple of fine hair myths to dispel. One says choose a deep cleansing shampoo over a body-building one, because you should remove any dirt or product residue that flattens hair. You'd need an awful lot of gunk on your hair for this to make sense, and if you have fine hair, you should never be over-using products so much you need to deep-cleanse all the time.

There are some great body-building or voluminizing shampoos out there that make a genuine difference (Matrix Amplify, ARTec volume) and you should generally favor them. When it comes to conditioning, say yes, but concentrate on conditioning your ends. Occasionally bring conditioner up to the top and scalp, and then rinse immediately. Of course, with new conditioners specifically for fine hair, the only way to discover how they'll act on your hair is to experiment.

What's New
If you have a great cut, use products especially formulated to plump up fine hair and use a repertoire of styling tricks, what else can you do? Thanks to clip on extensions you can look like the stars.

Garland Drake supplied the human hair extensions (wefts) for the famous Victoria's Secret runway show a few years ago and half of the Grammy attendees. All that hair no longer takes hours to get or costs a fortune, because Garland Drake just started offering Clip On Extension Sets that add fullness, or are long enough to add super length. And the hair is the same quality as all the human hair the stars get from the company. They may only solve your problem for a day, but they're great to have on hand for those occasions when you want longer, thicker hair instantly.

I strongly suggest you have a hairdresser show you how to put them on the first time you use them. Also, order a lighter color than your own if you want to color them to match your hair color. If your hair is super-fine or seriously thinning, they aren't for you, because you have to have enough hair to lay over the weft's attachment site and conceal it.

Modern solutions like this sure beat the days when my girlfriends and I took turns "thinning" one another's hair, so it would grow back thicker. (I hope you realized, that was another beauty myth.)
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Phew! *runs to Ricky's to try some of these products* :D

[regina]

i was frolicking in sephora this past weekend and came across ralph lauren's new perfume, Ralph Hot:

New! Ralph Hot
Ralph Hot is a surprising mix of sensual mocha cream, spicy cinnamon, and luscious maple - a scent as sexy as the woman who wears it.

Notes:
Mocha Cream, Cinnamon, Maple.
Style:
Vibrant. Sensual. Enticing.


smells really good--next on my perfume line :p

[deanna]

sounds nice. i'm hooked on burberry's london right now.

[regina]

sounds nice. i'm hooked on burberry's london right now.
that sounds nice also! sephora's description:

New! Burberry London
Burberry's new fragrance embodies the elegant, yet modern spirit of Burberry London. It epitomizes the cosmopolitan London lifestyle with independence and relaxed confidence.

Notes:
Clementine, Honeysuckle, English Garden Rose, Tiare Flower, Jasmine, Peony, Veil of Musks, Indian Sandalwood, Patchouli.
Style:
Elegant. Modern. Feminine.

[scarlette]

anyone have a nail salon thats open late...until at least 10pm?

[Fidget]

sounds nice. i'm hooked on burberry's london right now.

Yep...that is pretty yummy! I tested it out when I went scent shopping about a month ago, but I wanted to take a breather from Burberry for a while.

Right now I'm completely on pomegrante. I have a stronger, longer lasting one for nighttime play, and Lee was kind enough to introduce me to her slightly lighter but just as long lasting Pomegrante Anise for day-wear.

There were a couple from Kenzo I'm thinking of going back to get. There's a few I liked, but all equally yum!

[deanna]

Right now I'm completely on pomegrante.


right now i am wearing pomegranite anais --love it. :nice:

[deanna]

this reminds me --the other day my boss was standing behind my chair crouching over looking at my computer screen as we were discussing something, and he got a little uncomfortably close to my neck and i totally caught him sniffing me! it was subtle and unconcious i think but it was weird and i thought to myself, i should not wear this perfume to work anymore.

*shivers*

[doki doki]

My best friend from high school dropped a bomb on me last week that she's pregnant and therefore getting married STAT! She's rushing to get it all together by May 13th and asked me to be a bridesmaid and help her with the dress stuff. She's working with a budget so is looking to find a dress for herself and dresses for her bridesmaids that aren't too expensive. Does anyone have any suggestions of where to look? I know J Crew has a wedding line and I was thinking maybe stuff along those lines. I'm pretty unexperienced when it comes to weddings and am looking to you girls for some help!

[Ms Tasty 13]

My best friend from high school dropped a bomb on me last week that she's pregnant and therefore getting married STAT! She's rushing to get it all together by May 13th and asked me to be a bridesmaid and help her with the dress stuff. She's working with a budget so is looking to find a dress for herself and dresses for her bridesmaids that aren't too expensive. Does anyone have any suggestions of where to look? I know J Crew has a wedding line and I was thinking maybe stuff along those lines. I'm pretty unexperienced when it comes to weddings and am looking to you girls for some help!

Tell your friend she picked the perfect day to get married- that will be me and Richie's 1 yr anniversay. :)

You/she could try www.rkbridal.com, it's a discount store in the bridal district. I don't know about the time frame though, I'm not sure how long it would take to order the bm dresses. Of course, there are always samples the bride could buy off the rack.

[Katielady]

RK Bridal! It's kind of a ghetto store but they have a huge selection of bridesmaid dresses, and you can usually find something you like. They should run about a hundred bucks apiece.

http://www.rkbridal.com/localpages/new_page_1.htm

Here's a pic of my bridesmaids in dresses from there. I think they turned out nice, and WAY cheaper than what you pay at places like Macy's.

http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29661&stc=1

p.s. I know everyone makes their own call about etiquette stuff like this these days, and there are no real rules, but I think in general bridesmaids pay for their own dresses. Bride pays for hairdos and makeup, if they get it done at a salon.

edit: high five mstasty! :lol:

[Ms Tasty 13]

Oh, www.jessicamcclintock.com is another idea. And I think you can buy the dresses off the rack there.

[Ms Tasty 13]

edit: high five mstasty! :lol:

:kiss:

[regina]

p.s. I know everyone makes their own call about etiquette stuff like this these days, and there are no real rules, but I think in general bridesmaids pay for their own dresses. Bride pays for hairdos and makeup, if they get it done at a salon.


i think this is standard unless the bridesmaids are coming from far away and staying at a hotel etc; i was a bridemaid in a college friend's wedding and she paid for the dress since i was flying to new orleans and staying at a hotel room...but it was a surprise to me. i gave her an extra tiffany's necklace b/c it was so unneccesary for her to do that anyway...but nice :)

[abgrover]

RK's dresses take a few months, and the girls all need to be here try them on and have fittings.

Try a store like jcrew or ann taylor, where the dresses are already made and returnable (and re-wearable too).

I feel bad about my girls' dresses. I should've picked out something they could wear again.(sorry shrina) :(

http://www.anntaylor.com/IWCatSectionView.process?IWAction=Load&Merchant_Id=1&RestartFlow=t&Section_Id=5948

[doki doki]

Keep those ideas coming, girls! Thanks for those already mentioned.

As far as paying, I thought it was pretty standard for bridesmaids to pay for their own dresses? That's why I'm particularly interested in helping nab some cheap ones ... with a bridal shower, bachelorette party, wedding AND a baby shower all within 5 months, not to mention all the travel costs, I'm going to be broke!

[Katielady]

Keep those ideas coming, girls! Thanks for those already mentioned.

As far as paying, I thought it was pretty standard for bridesmaids to pay for their own dresses? That's why I'm particularly interested in helping nab some cheap ones ... with a bridal shower, bachelorette party, wedding AND a baby shower all within 5 months, not to mention all the travel costs, I'm going to be broke!

Just don't let anyone plan the bachlorette party for Atlantic City. I went to one there once and it was in the top ten worst experiences of my life. And it cost me several hundred bucks. :mad:

abgrover makes a good point...RK probably couldn't get the dresses done in time. A chain store with cute summer dresses might be your best bet.

[abgrover]

Yeah, standard for bridesmaids to pay for their dresses, bags and shoes. Bride pays for the hair and makeup, and a gift for each girl.
Although really, the bride could pick up a gift card for the store that the dress comes from, that can be applied toward the cost of the dress if she wants.

[sunshine]

i'm not really too helpful here colleen, except to say, brendan's sister in law chose her bridesmaids dresses from there... i liked them a lot, mostly, because they totally could be worn again... i'm not sure how much they cost though, but taking into account, being able to wear them again, i'd be far happier to spend a bit...

[doki doki]

Just don't let anyone plan the bachlorette party for Atlantic City. I went to one there once and it was in the top ten worst experiences of my life. And it cost me several hundred bucks. :mad:

Luckily, since she's preggers, it's more likely to be cookies, cupcakes and sparkling apple cider at a sleep over. ;)

[Fidget]

Tell your friend she picked the perfect day to get married- that will be me and Richie's 1 yr anniversay. :)



Insane! That's when my brother and sis-in-law are getting hitched.

Lovely day, I must say. :)

[b_love]

Colleen, do the dresses have to match perfectly? Can the bride pick a color and have each bridesmaid get their own dress? I know that's a common thing now-a-days. That way each girl can just get whatever they can afford in that color.

[silente]

Colleen, do the dresses have to match perfectly? Can the bride pick a color and have each bridesmaid get their own dress? I know that's a common thing now-a-days. That way each girl can just get whatever they can afford in that color.

A friend of mine is getting married this summer and did exactly that.

Too bad the color was burnt orange. :nonono:/:lol:

[regina]

A friend of mine is getting married this summer and did exactly that.

Too bad the color was burnt orange. :nonono:/:lol:
what? :lol:

[shawteeroc]

Check Bluefly.com. There are some nice dresses there that def fit the bill that are reasonably priced.

[silente]

what? :lol:

:lol: You heard me. Burnt orange. I told her I'd fake tan and just show up uni-colored.

[Ms Tasty 13]

:lol: You heard me. Burnt orange. I told her I'd fake tan and just show up uni-colored.

Ok, I just got a really weird image of you tanning to the color of your hair and then showing up naked... :confused:

[Katielady]

Ok, I just got a really weird image of you tanning to the color of your hair and then showing up naked... :confused:

hot!

:lol:

[silente]

Ok, I just got a really weird image of you tanning to the color of your hair and then showing up naked... :confused:

:lol: WTF?

[RFKFREAK]

:lol: WTF?

Oh, please, you know Sam would *love* it if you did that. :lol:

[silente]

Oh, please, you know Sam would *love* it if you did that. :lol:

Sam, I'm sure, would be thrilled.

The bride, somewhat less so. :lol:

[RFKFREAK]

Sam, I'm sure, would be thrilled.

The bride, somewhat less so. :lol:

Oh, if it's a normal night out for Sam I'm sure she'd be less concerned about you and moreso about how he'd be the "life" of the party. :lol:

[melod]

Too bad the color was burnt orange. :nonono:/:lol:

did they go to Texas by any chance? :lol: Sneha, don't get any ideas ...

[silente]

did they go to Texas by any chance? :lol: Sneha, don't get any ideas ...

:lol: No! Northern Illinois! Their colors are purple, grey, and white!

I think she just liked it. :nonono:

[Fidget]

:kiss:

Spring Spa Week!! (http://www.spaweek.org/Spas/April/New%20York#Spa_44 )

[SPLiT]

:kiss:

Spring Spa Week!! (http://www.spaweek.org/Spas/April/New%20York#Spa_44 )
im gonna give myself a mud butt bath later... :p

[UESGirl]

:kiss:

Spring Spa Week!! (http://www.spaweek.org/Spas/April/New%20York#Spa_44 )


fabulous!

does anyone know a place that has a steam room (not co-ed, me likes the buff..almost)? Preferably not in a gym or hotel...

Thanks
:)

[doki doki]

fabulous!

does anyone know a place that has a steam room (not co-ed, me likes the buff..almost)? Preferably not in a gym or hotel...

Thanks
:)

http://www.juvenexspa.com/

[UESGirl]

http://www.juvenexspa.com/

wow...looks awesome! Thank you!

[regina]

yay for spa week...getting a blueberry facial @ mezzanine spa & a brazilian bikini & eyebrow wax @ dorit baxter--all just in time for san diego! :)

[Fidget]

I think I may want a Hot Stone Massage @ Crystal Spa...anyone ever been, or get a Hot Stone Massage????

[girlee]

I think I may want a Hot Stone Massage @ Crystal Spa...anyone ever been, or get a Hot Stone Massage????

My best massage ever was hot stone. When I lived in California, I met my mom and brother for a long weekend of skiing in Tahoe. I was supposed to drive back Sunday night while they skied the rest of the week, but we got slammed with a gigantic snowstorm that stranded me in Tahoe for an extra couple of days (oh boohoo! :lol: ). Mom and I went to a fancy spa for massages, and this amazing woman gave me a 2 hour hot stone massage. OMFG do I need one of those now! So luxurious. Hot stone is really good at working out deep, deep tension.

[qu'exclamation]

So my absolute favorite lotion in the world, St. Ives Whipped Silk Lotion, has been discontinued. Even a thorough search of internet sellers revealed nothing but a false hope at americanrx.com and then a credited charge when even they were out.

So now I'm left without an inexpensive, non-greasy, quick absorbing hand moisturizer. Anyone have suggestions?

FYI - this lotion appears to be back on the shelves, at least in Northern California. Or else my local drugstore found an old case in the back and needs to get rid of it...

[sizmara]

my mom has been telling me about this as long as i can remember. except she says it's good for depression.

Problems with your private parts? Wake up and smell the petals!

Women can solve their hormonal problems and come out smelling like roses just by sniffing, well, roses, according to Josei Jishin (3/14).

Japanese scientists say that roses have a healthy effect on women's hormonal balances, halting those horrid problems like period pain and premenstrual tension.

Roses can also apparently combat the effects of menopause and are being widely welcomed by women who aren't too keen in pumping themselves full of pharmaceuticals to achieve the same effect.

Scientists at make-up giant Kanebo's cosmetics and fragrances laboratory have also gone out and offered scientific proof that roses also have a positive effect on what the women's weekly euphemistically calls the body's "feminine parts," which actually mean the womb, ovaries and other appendages related to the sex organs.

"We looked into how physical hormonal balance changed in women's bodies after smelling Rosa damascena (which is the scientific name for the flower's fragrance) and learned that there is a tendency for the smell to bring about a better balance in both male and female hormones in the body," Kanebo's Ryoichi Komagi tells Josei Jishin. "We were able to collate data that showed smelling the essential oils of the rose reduces hormones if there is an excess, and increases them if there is a deficiency."

Any glut or paucity of hormones adversely affects the body's functions. But roses help to achieve the necessary hormonal balance, according to Komagi.

Aromatherapist Fumiko Berg agrees with the scientist.

"Roses contain so few toxins, they're almost safe enough to use with babies. Phytohormones (hormones derived from vegetables) are found in such substances as clarysage, geraniums or hops and these can directly affect the body and, as such, disrupt a body's hormonal balance. Roses, though, don't have any phytohormones, so they aren't as harmful," the aromatherapist tells Josei Jishin.

"Roses quietly go to work on 'women's parts,' helping support the body trying to achieve a balance." (By Ryann Connell)

March 3, 2006
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20060303p2g00m0dm002000c.html

[blueskygirl]

i love that roses story :D
i'ma go get me some right now

nothing's too good for my 'women's parts,' you know...

bs:kiss:g

[Rupi D]

Anyone know a good place in the city to get a bikini wax? not a fancy salon where it'll cost a ton, but somewhere they do a good job at least?

thx ;)

[regina]

Anyone know a good place in the city to get a bikini wax? not a fancy salon where it'll cost a ton, but somewhere they do a good job at least?

thx ;)
someone's got a daaaaate :kiss:

[Rupi D]

someone's got a daaaaate :kiss:

:lol: :lol:
Someone's going to Miami in a month and preparing in advance!! :kiss: :evil:

[regina]

:lol: :lol:
Someone's going to Miami in a month and preparing in advance!! :kiss: :evil:
nice! i'm going to california in a month...there's a nice clean place by me that's not $$, i'll go there til right efore my trip to cali, when i'm going to dorit baxter :)

[doki doki]

I'm super in love with wearing fishnets but I keep tearing holes in the mofos the first time I wear them! :mad: / :( Any tips for fishnet trauma repair?

[Miss Chief]

What: Calypso (http://www.calypso-celle.com/shop/cart.php?target=main&page=shopmain) Warehouse Sale
When: Apr. 6-9; Thurs.-Sat., 10 a.m.-7 p.m.; Sun., 11 a.m.-5 p.m.
Where: 148 Lafayette Street, between Howard and Grand Streets, fifth floor (212-941-6100).
Why: Calypso linen skirts, were $175, now $45; dresses, were $200, now $75; beach totes, were $200, now $50; SIWY jeans, were $200, now $85.

[UESGirl]

I'm super in love with wearing fishnets but I keep tearing holes in the mofos the first time I wear them! :mad: / :( Any tips for fishnet trauma repair?

would clear nail polish work the way it works to stop runs in reg pantyhose? Not sure actually...

[gogoamy]

What: Calypso (http://www.calypso-celle.com/shop/cart.php?target=main&page=shopmain) Warehouse Sale
When: Apr. 6-9; Thurs.-Sat., 10 a.m.-7 p.m.; Sun., 11 a.m.-5 p.m.
Where: 148 Lafayette Street, between Howard and Grand Streets, fifth floor (212-941-6100).
Why: Calypso linen skirts, were $175, now $45; dresses, were $200, now $75; beach totes, were $200, now $50; SIWY jeans, were $200, now $85.

did you go?
i wanted to go to this on my lunch break today, but ran out of time...maybe tomorrow :)

[bluestar]

I'm super in love with wearing fishnets but I keep tearing holes in the mofos the first time I wear them! :mad: / :( Any tips for fishnet trauma repair?

First we need to find out why your tearing holes in them? What are you doing girl???? They are almost impossible to repair. :(

[Katielady]

tell snardy to stop biting your ass when you're wearing those things!

[chefboy]

ladies-

elk cove pinot gris from willamette valley oregon!

delish.

surprisingly fat & floral. drink at 50 degrees. NOT out of your fridge, which is probably around 38.

[chefboy]

Anyone know a good place in the city to get a bikini wax? not a fancy salon where it'll cost a ton, but somewhere they do a good job at least?

thx ;)

yeah girls i'm dying to know. :confused:

:sip:

[La Troya]

interim report (after 10 days):
my creams are all stocked away in my fridge, and in the last 10 days I've been using the cleanser and the hydrating toner (except for the weekend, I used moisturizer/spf since I went snowboarding). AFter the first few days my nose started peeling. I didn't freak out, because my facialist told me that it would take my skin a while to adjust to the new regimen.
I definitely started paying more attention to drinking a lot of water, to keep myself hydrated.

my skin is looking great and feeling soft.
Will report back in another 10 days :)

So...it's been about 6-7 weeks since I've stopped using moisturizer on a regular basis. I wash 1-2 times a day with a natural cleanser, and I use teh toner 2-4 times a day.
My skin is clear and clean, no bumps, no readness, and really no dry skin.
AND this regimen is a helluva lot cheaper than my prior one.

So far: http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[UESGirl]

So...it's been about 6-7 weeks since I've stopped using moisturizer on a regular basis. I wash 1-2 times a day with a natural cleanser, and I use teh toner 2-4 times a day.
My skin is clear and clean, no bumps, no readness, and really no dry skin.
AND this regimen is a helluva lot cheaper than my prior one.

So far: http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif


what products are you using?

[Fidget]

Happy Monday ladies!

I'm in desperate need of assistance in the formal dress arena. It's been about two years since I've last had to shop for one, and now I need TWO ASAP.

Over the weekend I scanned Macy's and Daffy's, and pickin's were the slimest of the slim. No only that, prices (( in Macy's )) were sky high for really nothing special.

I'm looking to spend around $200 give or take on each dress. Any suggestions???

[abgrover]

Happy Monday ladies!

I'm in desperate need of assistance in the formal dress arena. It's been about two years since I've last had to shop for one, and now I need TWO ASAP.

Over the weekend I scanned Macy's and Daffy's, and pickin's were the slimest of the slim. No only that, prices (( in Macy's )) were sky high for really nothing special.

I'm looking to spend around $200 give or take on each dress. Any suggestions???
Did you try Loehmann's?

[Katielady]

Happy Monday ladies!

I'm in desperate need of assistance in the formal dress arena. It's been about two years since I've last had to shop for one, and now I need TWO ASAP.

Over the weekend I scanned Macy's and Daffy's, and pickin's were the slimest of the slim. No only that, prices (( in Macy's )) were sky high for really nothing special.

I'm looking to spend around $200 give or take on each dress. Any suggestions???

Loehmans can have some great dresses for low prices. It's very hit or miss though. I also like Lord and Taylor a bit better than Macy's for formal dresses. They have a good selection of petites too. :)

edit: girlie high five to kim. :lol:

[abgrover]

Loehmans can have some great dresses for low prices. It's very hit or miss though. I also like Lord and Taylor a bit better than Macy's for formal dresses. They have a good selection of petites too. :)

edit: girlie high five to kim. :lol:

Back atcha!
Yup, Lord & Taylor as well.

Or if you want to travel out to LI, I bet Roosevelt Field Mall will have a whole boatload of formal gowns cause you're just in time for prom season. Lots of stores in one place and they have a Nordstrom.

As for me, I've had a lot of luck in the past at Macy's.

[b_love]

So...it's been about 6-7 weeks since I've stopped using moisturizer on a regular basis. I wash 1-2 times a day with a natural cleanser, and I use teh toner 2-4 times a day.
My skin is clear and clean, no bumps, no readness, and really no dry skin.
AND this regimen is a helluva lot cheaper than my prior one.



I'm curious...because I would love to try this, but do you wear make-up? Because I'd just take off my makeup each time if I used toner 4 times a day.

I do use a fantastic cleanser and toner a few times a week, but it's expensive so I use it usually when I want to REALLY give my skin a nice glow.

But I use moisturizer every day and I definitely think it clogs my pores. I hate unclean pores!!! :)

[Fidget]

Back atcha!
Yup, Lord & Taylor as well.

Or if you want to travel out to LI, I bet Roosevelt Field Mall will have a whole boatload of formal gowns cause you're just in time for prom season. Lots of stores in one place and they have a Nordstrom.

As for me, I've had a lot of luck in the past at Macy's.

Yea...I figured I'd be in luck for sure @ Macy's...especially since it's prom season, but honestly their assortment is VERY bare. Not only that, they have all kinds of designer dresses....BCBG, Donna Karan, etc...so price points are no where near what I was looking for. The two or three nice dresses I liked were $400 and up. It's was a little bizarre. I stayed away from L&T because of the price point issue, but looking won't hurt I guess.

And I'll definitely check out Loehmann's. I was hoping to have both dresses by this weekend, so I won't have time to hit Roosevelt Field but I'll be able to browse Jersey malls. I think I just went into panic mode and thought the Macy's situation was a worldwide Fancy Dress Epidemic! :lol:

Any/all other suggestions are also welcomed. :) Thanks ladies.

[La Troya]

what products are you using?

Douceur - Therapeutic Herbal Cleanser (Water based, non-comedogenic and oil free)
http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-5369596306632_1888_602788
and Douceur - Therapeutic Fruit Toner (Water based, non-comedogenic and alcohol free)
http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-5369596306632_1888_576981
I'm curious...because I would love to try this, but do you wear make-up? Because I'd just take off my makeup each time if I used toner 4 times a day.

I do use a fantastic cleanser and toner a few times a week, but it's expensive so I use it usually when I want to REALLY give my skin a nice glow.

But I use moisturizer every day and I definitely think it clogs my pores. I hate unclean pores!!! :)

I do wear make up, but I use a toner in a little spray bottle. That actually helps set your make up when you spray it on your face.

and while the cleanser and toner are not cheap, I'm not spending money anymore on a day and night moisturizer.

[blueskygirl]

month 2 of my love affair with my epilady :)

cost of epilady: $0 *

cash saved thus far by doing my own hair maintainance: $200! **

* free from girlfriend who had one since the 80's.. .still works great!
** once monthly brazillian, 1/2 leg and underarm, plus tip, for two months.

i'm never going back, it's love i tell you :kiss:

and yes, i know it's crazy to epilady your coochie, but once you have it down, and realize how much cash you're saving($600 a year for brazilian! $1200 a year if you include 1/2 leg and underarm, which i do) it somehow gets easier :)

bs:cool:g

[doki doki]

One of my gay coworkers just walked by my desk, handed me an "In Touch" and then walked away, saying "Don't ever say I never did anything for you!" Hooray for random celeb gossip delivered to my desk! :arr:

[Fnkybtch26]

My friend is throwing a jeans party next monday, figured I'd let all the ladies of the ism know about it. Anyone is welcome. I went to one last week and walked away with a pair of True Religions and Rock and Republics for a total of $150- about a 1/3 of what it would cost me in the stores.
Here is the email she sent out...PM me for more details, I will be headin up there on Monday after work.
**************************************************************************
MONDAY, APRIL 24th - 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Erica's Apartment
155 East 29th St. @ 3rd Ave (The Biltmore)
Apt 7H

Start the spring and summer season off right!!! Come and
check out the HOTTEST DENIM designers and their
newest styles for RIDICULOUSLY low prices... All legit, authentic, amazing jeans! I went to one of these last week and was VERY successful so we invited the guy back to share with friends....

Designers include:
* Rock & Republic * Seven * Citizens of Humanity *
* True Religion * Antik Denim *

There will be a large selection and YES - you will be
able to try everything on!!! Please bring as many friends
as you would like and forward this along to anyone you
think may be interested in purchasing todays NEWEST
designer jeans at LOW, LOW, LOW prices!!! ($70 to $80)

CASH and CHECKS (made out to cash) are accepted.
Sorry - no credit cards.

Hope to see you there!

Please pass this on to any friends of friends that want new hot jeans!

[b_love]

month 2 of my love affair with my epilady :)

cost of epilady: $0 *

cash saved thus far by doing my own hair maintainance: $200! **

* free from girlfriend who had one since the 80's.. .still works great!
** once monthly brazillian, 1/2 leg and underarm, plus tip, for two months.

i'm never going back, it's love i tell you :kiss:

and yes, i know it's crazy to epilady your coochie, but once you have it down, and realize how much cash you're saving($600 a year for brazilian! $1200 a year if you include 1/2 leg and underarm, which i do) it somehow gets easier :)

bs:cool:g

OH MAN bsg, you are a tough girl....I can't imagine epilady-ing my COOCH! I can only imagine the potential injury there. (( lip snag :sick: :lol: ))
ooochie ouchie!

I'm disgusting.

[blueskygirl]

OH MAN bsg, you are a tough girl....I can't imagine epilady-ing my COOCH! I can only imagine the potential injury there. (( lip snag :sick: :lol: ))
ooochie ouchie!

I'm disgusting.

:lol:

it takes some doing but with a little motivation, no snaggin :)

yeah, i'm badass :smoke:

bs:kiss:g

[Ms Tasty 13]

OH MAN bsg, you are a tough girl....I can't imagine epilady-ing my COOCH! I can only imagine the potential injury there. (( lip snag :sick: :lol: ))
ooochie ouchie!

I'm disgusting.

lmao @ lip snap. :lol:

Seriously though Meliss, you cwazy girl! :eek:

I just did the calculations, and I spend about $720 a year on brazilians and 1/2 leg waxing. Suddenly I don't feel so bad that the Mr pays for most of our dinners and drinks out...

[blueskygirl]

yeah... crazy like a hairless fox :kiss::lol:

and yes, with grooming costs included it all evens out :cool:

mine WOULD be $1200!! (monthly 1/2 leg, underarm and brazilian)

but now all of my waxing/hair removal is free... so someday when i find a man i guess i'll pay for some stuff :nice:

bs badasscoochieepilator:cool: g

[twilokitty]

:lol:

it takes some doing but with a little motivation, no snaggin :)

yeah, i'm badass :smoke:

bs:kiss:g
I have so much repsect for you! I went out and bought an epilator after reading this thread but found it to be to painful to use. It did work like a charm, though!
You truly are a champ! :)

[regina]

lmao @ lip snap. :lol:

Seriously though Meliss, you cwazy girl! :eek:

I just did the calculations, and I spend about $720 a year on brazilians and 1/2 leg waxing. Suddenly I don't feel so bad that the Mr pays for most of our dinners and drinks out...
it's an investment :p

[Ms Tasty 13]

it's an investment :p

True, true... :lol:

Melissa, how long does it take you to do your legs? It actually doesn't sound like such a bad idea, esp. now that the warm weather is here and legs will soon be on full display (although I'll still trust the cooch to the professionals! :eek: ).

[blueskygirl]

i did my legs and underarms in about 30-40 minutes all together... maybe less. now that i know what i'm doing it's really easy, took longer the first time and hurt alot more.

once you get used to it it's not such a biggie, imo, but you do need a good mirror under a good light to make sure you get 'em all.

i keep wantin gto buy a new one and see if the technology has improved at all. hmmm...

bs:)g

[shawteeroc]

i did my legs and underarms in about 30-40 minutes all together... maybe less. now that i know what i'm doing it's really easy, took longer the first time and hurt alot more.

once you get used to it it's not such a biggie, imo, but you do need a good mirror under a good light to make sure you get 'em all.

i keep wantin gto buy a new one and see if the technology has improved at all. hmmm...

bs:)g


Does your hair have to grow pretty long between epi's? Also does it make a mess when you are doing it? Like where does all the hair go?

PS how are ingrowns with this? More than usual? Less?

[blueskygirl]

Does your hair have to grow pretty long between epi's? Also does it make a mess when you are doing it? Like where does all the hair go?

PS how are ingrowns with this? More than usual? Less?


i waited about 3 weeks, so it was kind of long, but not as long as i'd have waited to wax (because i can do it anytime i want and do a little cleanup in between, yano?)

i haven't had a single ingrown, though i never did with waxing, either.

the hair all just falls right offa the gadget right after it's yanked out, so i do it while i'm laying around on my bed watching tv with a sheet or something on the bed and then just take it and throw it in the hamper after.

i suppose it bears mentioning that i don't have much hair to begin with and it's not very thick, so perhaps i have a better epilady experience than some might? i've never had ingrowns and from the waxing i've done over time all of my hair grows back very fine now.

bsg

[Chiron]

Melissa--I went on the site and they had a few. Which one do you have? Also, how does it remove the hair? Does it yank 'em out? I ask b/c on the site they refer to them as shavers/razors but shaving isn't painful.

[blueskygirl]

it yanks them out, and it *does* hurt, but only just as it's happening. a minute later and i don't even feel anything :arr:

i have the original epilady from like 1986, but the new ones are probably better and perhaps hurt less. katielady has a Silkepil that she says works great (search this thread for her comments).

carmen, what site are you looking at?

bsg

[Chiron]

it yanks them out, and it *does* hurt, but only just as it's happening. a minute later and i don't even feel anything :arr:

i have the original epilady from like 1986, but the new ones are probably better and perhaps hurt less. katielady has a Silkepil that she says works great (search this thread for her comments).

carmen, what site are you looking at?

bsg
The Epilady site. Lemme see if I can find it. Anyway, that's it. I'm investing. Thanks!

Edit: I see they have a shaver and epilator in one. This is what I was referring to: http://www.epilady.com/duet.asp.

[blueskygirl]

it goes like this:

first start using it, it hurts alot, lots of hair all getting yanked out at once, OUCH. after a minute or so that section has no more hair, you run the epilady over it and it doesn't hurt any more because the hair is all gone. move to a new spot, OUCH hair getting yanked out! after a minute, no more hair, no more ouchie. and so on. also, it won't always get every hair the first pass over, so you have to go over it a few times moving the epilator in different directions, or in circles or whatever works.

the underarms hurt more but have alot less hair so it's over faster, and also it's slightly more tricky than the legs because sometimes you have to hold the skin taut at the same time as you are epilating.

the first time i did it i was desperate so i HAD to do it no matter how much it hurt. if i had a choice to wax i'd have probably never gone through with it, but now i'm soooo glad i stuck it out that first time. if you're going to try it for the first time i recommend getting really baked first (i was stoned on hash and drunk on margaritas :)

phew!

bsg

[GizelleNYC]

i thought there were like 2 girls on this thing

[Chiron]

it goes like this:

first start using it, it hurts alot, lots of hair all getting yanked out at once, OUCH. after a minute or so that section has no more hair, you run the epilady over it and it doesn't hurt any more because the hair is all gone. move to a new spot, OUCH hair getting yanked out! after a minute, no more hair, no more ouchie. and so on. also, it won't always get every hair the first pass over, so you have to go over it a few times moving the epilator in different directions, or in circles or whatever works.

the underarms hurt more but have alot less hair so it's over faster, and also it's slightly more tricky than the legs because sometimes you have to hold the skin taut at the same time as you are epilating.

the first time i did it i was desperate so i HAD to do it no matter how much it hurt. if i had a choice to wax i'd have probably never gone through with it, but now i'm soooo glad i stuck it out that first time. if you're going to try it for the first time i recommend getting really baked first (i was stoned on hash and drunk on margaritas :)

phew!

bsg
Totally understandable. But for me, no tokey and I have only had hard liquor a few times since the baby came. After you've had 2 people try to turn a breech baby, there's not too much more that scares you in the way of pain anymore. I just might go the sober route for the rush. :nonono:

[b_love]

Totally understandable. But for me, no tokey and I have only had hard liquor a few times since the baby came. After you've had 2 people try to turn a breech baby, there's not too much more that scares you in the way of pain anymore. I just might go the sober route for the rush. :nonono:

:eek: :eek:

You poor thing. Did you have end up having a cesarian? Your hips are so tiny...I don't know how a baby could fit through you!

She's adorable by the way Carmen :)

[Ms Tasty 13]

I just might go the sober route for the rush. :nonono:

lol

Melissa, have you tried any home waxing kits? Spending 30 minutes yanking out my leg hairs just seems a bit extreme to me... :eek: I've used the roll-on Nair wax for emergency bikini line grooming, it worked well, but I haven't tried it on my legs yet... maybe that'll be my next Girltalk project to report back to the class...

[blueskygirl]

lol

Melissa, have you tried any home waxing kits? Spending 30 minutes yanking out my leg hairs just seems a bit extreme to me... :eek: I've used the roll-on Nair wax for emergency bikini line grooming, it worked well, but I haven't tried it on my legs yet... maybe that'll be my next Girltalk project to report back to the class...

no. i would, but i'm always interested in how best to keep things as simple as possible at all times.

wax - sticky, messy, needs repeated purchases of a product.
epilator gadget - one time investment (or free, as was the case with me), no mess, no maintainance, etc.

spanks for the suggestion, but i'm all epilady always n' foreva :kiss:

bs:)g

[Chiron]

:eek: :eek:

You poor thing. Did you have end up having a cesarian? Your hips are so tiny...I don't know how a baby could fit through you!

She's adorable by the way Carmen :)
Hey Bethany, how are ya?! Thanks for the compliment--I baked her myself! :D Have faith--nature finds a way to make everything fit (but in my case, just not in the posterior position). I did have a c-section and it was the best surgery I've had in my life--I was ready to walk around before the anesthesia wore off. I do wish I'd had a vaginal birth though. Nothing breaks your heart like hearing your baby cry on the other side of the curtain and you can't hold her b/c you're hooked up to monitors.

Anyway, now I'm just glad to be able to see and reach my cooch! Yay for flat bellies! And I'm gonna cheer for yanking out cooch hair just as soon as I can get enough cash to get an Epilator. Until then, I still shave daily.

[shawteeroc]

ladies! i just had lunch and there were like 10 GORGEOUS FIREMEN where i went! ugh seriously --like everyone of them was hot --i almost thought it was a joke because what are the chances that they would ALL be hot?! ugh it put a smile on my face for sure. :)

(help! there's a fire in my pants!)


Please tell us you took covert cameraphone pics. :D

[blueskygirl]

ladies! i just had lunch and there were like 10 GORGEOUS FIREMEN where i went! ugh seriously --like everyone of them was hot --i almost thought it was a joke because what are the chances that they would ALL be hot?! ugh it put a smile on my face for sure. :)

(help! there's a fire in my pants!)

:lol:

i've got an extreme fixation on firemen... i consider it a great omen for my day when i see them shopping in the supermarket at the same time i am :nonono::kiss:

i'm so happy for your 10 hot fireman spotting :kiss::lol:

thanks for sharing!

bs:Dg

[La Troya]

I did a fireman
I did a fireman
:evil:
:arr:

*does a little dance*

[La Troya]

:::HIGHFIVE:::

high fives are sooooooooo yesterday....:rolleyes:

;)
j/k of course

:::HIGH FIVE:::

http://www.pronews.com/images/high_five.gif

[Chiron]

high fives are sooooooooo yesterday....:rolleyes:

;)
j/k of course

:::HIGH FIVE:::

http://www.pronews.com/images/high_five.gif
That's some tan you got there, Shirl and your fashion sense has become a bit butch. :lol:

[Maria TR909]

I did a fireman
I did a fireman
:evil:
:arr:

*does a little dance*


In The Uniform :D Please say YES!

[La Troya]

http://www.mobica.com/images/high-five.jpg

better?
:lol:

[LakerLover]

La Troya Rulz!!!!!