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| What O-Scope do I need | monkeyt | Geekslutz forum | 12 | 18th September 2007 09:30 AM |
| Shopping For First Scope | Brian M. Boykin | Geekslutz forum | 13 | 21st June 2007 09:10 PM |
| Creamware Scope | autodidactic | Music computers | 7 | 29th December 2006 12:42 AM |
| Phase Scope | bcgood | High end | 19 | 6th August 2006 07:46 AM |
| Would this scope suffice? | Brent | Geekslutz forum | 7 | 18th June 2005 07:02 PM |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2007
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| SCOPE XITE-1 |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas
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| 10 times more power !!! This is incredible !! This is what UA should do for its UAD2.... minus the interface part... I mentioned this idea a long time ago here on gearslutz, about a dsp device that doesnt use firewire ...but a proprietary PCIe card...... Sonic Core stole my idea !! hey...I want some credit for my id |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamburg
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| This is so great! Everybody is soo happy in this great commnity.I am very very happy to see this plattform upgrade!I use scope since 2001 and it is one of the best sounding environments ever.Thank you Sonic core for all the years of good sounding and inspiring dsp hardware!
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal
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| ummmmm, did you see the price? "About 2698,- EUR excl. VAT (Introductory Price) " Thats 4100$ USD......I think not. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Haarlem, Holland
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| I wonder how this one will stack up against an Apogee Symphony or PT HD system both latency and performance wise.
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ottawa
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| This is great news, Scope cards have by far the most impressive sounding synths (IMHO) the plug-in processors are excellent, also has a really great user community. While I'll agree it ain't cheap you can easily run a full production using only a single card. As for the above post, Latency has always been very low with these cards, I have a pair of the original cards and they run at 3ms, never a problem, even at full DSP load. |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London
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| I reviewed the first Scope to get to Australia way back in the mid 90's when I was writing for Next Music. Entry price for one card was $12,000 AUD. I was amazing for the time but there was no way I was dropping that sort of cash on a PCI card. I imagine they are worth literally several dollars these days.
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2004
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| I wonder if they have any support for hardware mixer controllers with their new version of the software. The hardware control of their mixers was of last year was still pretty horrible, but the system itself was pretty neat. I tried to get into the flipping back and forth between applications but after a while I got kinda sick of it and opted for simplicity. |
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| Gear nut Join Date: May 2007
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| Can someone enlighten me ? Is it possible to use the Scope synths within Cubase as VST instruments ??? I don't really get the concept of Scope |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Finland
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| This should kick more speed to the team designing uad2. ;) In any case, this looks really interesting. Finally a company who doesn't scare to increase the dsp power. |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2004
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people had varying degrees of success with XTC mode. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamburg
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Its not really clear if and how this will work on the xite-1 guess we have to wait until Musikmesse.
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| Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2006
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| you simply use the scope synths via virtual scope midi interface. Instead of loading your synth in your vst sequencer, you simply load it in Scope Fusion LiveBar. Thats not much different from the vst worklfow. But once the synth is transfered onto the dsps, you can also play it without any latency via an external midi in. Simply way more powerful than the inferior vst standard which is a workaround to make an allround cpu from a personal computer to calculate audio signal processing or synths. Scope is more like hardware, you load the stuff into the dsps and than you can work with it like it would be hardware. |
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| Gear addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Haifa,Israel
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| Note that since its not vst , You cant "freeze" FX or synths... Im hoping this is just the first of a range of products based on the latest gen. sharc dsp processors. |
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3ms? That's fantastic. I thought they were comparable to the Duende and UAD platforms. Really need to do some more research on Scope.
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ottawa
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| They are great cards, I highly recommend trying them out nif you get a chance. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: italy,by the sea
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This means that with one of these 1U racks you could have an impressive amount of synths and modular synths, 96 channels Mixer, compression everywhere needed, reverbs and fancy effects, samplers, processing external sounds, process a couple singers (two phantomed XRL bal.inputs in the front panel, HiZ capability, balanced stereo I/O's in the back, AES/EBU I/O's, 16 ch ADAT pipelines, MIDI i/o/t, BNC Wordclock I/O, headphones...) and record the gig in multitrack at the same moment through PCI-Express connection! They can also be cascaded.... The sonic quality can't be better, this is well known also for the current Scope system. I think that for that price nothing compares, by far nothing at all. (I.M.O. at any price). I already have a very powerful studio, I can run a full production in real time with only the Scope DSP mixing, sound generation and processing power (I don't use ANY vst). If i only think to be able to have a much more capable system in a single rack and bring ALL my work everywhere....or making gigs with an absurdly terrific rig... | |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam
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| Wow, the specs look very exciting. I personally found the scope stuff a bit of a mixed bag. Loved: -the modular synth, with true Waldorf wavetables -the modularity of the system; just patch together what you want -low latency (protools like when using internal synths and fx) -some of the synths and fx (though not all of them) Hated: -Parts of the UI; it looks very pretty but for some of the basics they should have just used the standard OS UI instead of trying to create something themselves with half of the functionality (fileselectors, windows, editboxes etc.) This would really annoy me! -additional plug-ins aren't cheap, and there is little support from well-known 3rd party vendors, such as Sonnox, URS, Waves etc. However, this is not to say that some of the 3rd party plug-ins that are there aren't any good..some of them are fantastic. -Unreliable support; a company that seems to go in and out of business every year or so and the authorisation system is akward. -Asio driver hasn't been updated for years (hint; more selectable latencies please!) I bought and sold a scope system twice. The first one as part of a trade-in, and it was the massive 14 dsp version. I was still on Os 9 back then and the system worked, though it wouldn't always play nice with Logic. It also took me a long time to get my authorisation, as you would get a personalised page with all your codes; mine wasn't working (http error) and it took a long while to get it resolved; luckily I wasn't doing a project. I sold it because it seemed to unreliable with Os 9 at the time..still regret that :P Second time I bought a smaller scope card with a luna card as 2nd. I wasn't actually getting the low latencies that people are describing here and I guess I was one of the few people who didn't have as much luck with the XTC mode. I got better latencies with a fireface so I stuck with that. I think it is a good system in general though, and the modularity is absolutely fantastic. However, imho you need to buy quite a few extra plug-ins for it to really make it shine, at which point it becomes a pretty expensive adventure. The stock synths are okay but haven't been updated for years and meanwhile better VST alternatives have come along; and the same for some of the onboard fx. 3rd party is a whole different story but you'll need to spend quite a few hundred bucks to get the good stuff. Curious about things like the fat channel though, so if Creamware (or whatever it is this year Cheers, Joe
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| I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: italy,by the sea
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Regarding the support it has always been very good until, for economy reasons, the older company only could afford 1 person for the whole world taking care of registrations and activations. But still, when they were in complete financial crisis, they replaced one of my older cards for free, even if abundantly out of warranty, because, after having accepted the servicing procedure, they had problems in fixing it. The current management has nothing to do with the former one, the society is completely new, formed by two former designers of the Scope system which were not part of the previous property, with the partecipation of an internationally famous developer and sound designer. They just bought the technology and started it over again, taking also care of the support of the older customers of the acquired production lines. I think that Scope 5, the new software, is vastly enhanced. Probably it's whole level will be that of the top quality of the current available stuff and even more, also because some 3rd p. stuff like Adern's Flexor have pretty raised the customer base taste levels and the flagship line of synths (Minimax, Pro12 etc) are of common use now.... The cool thing is that all the old stuff will be still compatible, as well as the old hardware with the new software. The new chips are much more powerful but the code is compatible. Regarding the 3rd. p. prices, I just would like to remember that what is considered the top level of dsp synthesis in any system, although it only runs in Scope, Adern's Flexor, is sold for €225+vat. and offers amazing possibilities. I haven't seen anything half that good at this price. Anyway, we are all waiting to see what exactly there is already included, but I think that this time the ball has been kicked strong and in the right direction. I am very optimistic. | |
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| Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam
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| I hear what you're saying and my experience with the system itself (when it worked properly, which on OS 9 it wasn't, though my experience with XP was much better) was generally good. Unfortunately I sold my systems before I ever got to try out Flexor, which does look fantastic. In terms of functionality I would agree little comes close, esp. since it runs on DSP's. However, I've been burned a few times by proprierty DSP systems like Scope. I also own a Korg Oasys card which currently is collecting dust, despite it being one of the best synth/fx cards I've ever owned. It doesn't play nice with my OS 9 Protools machine, and with a small room already packed with 4 computers, I don't want to get another PC to just run Windows 98 so I can use the damn card! This is I believe the 2nd or 3rd time in the last 5 years that I've heard about the Creamware company being restarted, which is why I'm cautiously optimistic. I'd love to hear who the sound designer is that is involved; a system like this needs a well known name attached to get the attention of the masses. I know for example that Hans Zimmer uses (or at least used) the system in combination with Cubase. Anyway, I'll keep my eyes on the Messe. If the driver support is good and the company manages to get some established 3rd party support I'd be interested. After all, soundscape managed to get Waves to support it..that would be a good move!:) Have you ever worked with the Fat channel plug-ins on scope? Curious how the sound... Cheers, Joris
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http://www.sonic-core.net/en/innovation/solaris.html Now John has teamed up with Holger Drenkelfort and Juergen Kindermann (SONIC CORE GmbH) to produce the Solaris synthesizer. "We had all worked together in the development of the Scope DSP platform, which as a development tool I found to be sonically superior to any other available native 'synth construction' programs on the market." www.johnbowen.com | |
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Win98; the Korg Oasys card I mentioned isn't supported under windows XP; I mentioned this in relation to custom DSP cards that look fantastic when they come out but then end up losing support because they're either discontinued (like Korg) or the company goes bust (like creamware) only to resurface again at a later point. So eventhough I'm excited about this new Scope card, I'm going to stay on the fence a bit longer and see how it goes with the company. Cheers, Joris
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| Very interesting renewal of the Scope platform, can anyone at Frankfurt tell us more? |
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| Gear nut Join Date: May 2003
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| Now this looks interesting, I've never heard host-based synths that sound anywhere close to the what my 10-year old Pulsar can produce! |
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