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First Beam Circles Large Hadron Collider Track

By Alexis Madrigal

September 10, 2008 | 11:18:43 AMCategories: Large Hadron Collider

The Large Hadron Collider fired its first beam around the machine's full track at 10:28 AM local time (1:36 AM Pacific time).

No actual atoms were smashed today -- that won't start for weeks -- and no results are expected for months, at the earliest. Still, like first light in a telescope, the first beam in the particle accelerator is a landmark moment for a program that has spanned more than 20 years and involved tens of thousands of scientists.

"What has been shown today is that technically it all works," said Jos Engelen, chief science officer for CERN, the European scientific research agency directing the efforts, in a live webcast from Geneva.

The proton beams that raced around the 17-mile mile track begin a scientific relay that is likely to last for more than a decade. Scientists hope the discoveries made possible by the LHC will open new frontiers in physics and provide a new fundamental understanding of the universe.

Next up for the collider is cranking up the energy of the proton beams to about 10 trillion electron volts, more powerful than other particle accelerators like Fermilab's Tevatron but still short of the proposed maximum collision energy of 14 trillion electron volts that the researchers hope to reach.

The next big moment will come when the first particle collisions occur. That had been tentatively scheduled for the official LHC unveiling on October 21, but the first beam firings could lead to an acceleration of that schedule.

"Based on today's evidence, things are going to move faster," said Mike Lamont, a member of CERN's beam operations team in the CERN webcast. "There's a remarkable number of systems working remarkably well -- the instrumentation, the magnets. There's still some hurdles to cross there, but we can anticipate collisions sooner than we planned."

See Also:

Wired Science's complete Large Hadron Collider coverage
CERN's live webcast from Geneva
Large Hadron Collider: Best and Worst Case Scenarios
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Why do you paid 4 billion dollars ? It's god that had create universe !!!

Posted by: lol | Sep 10, 2008 9:43:54 AM

Good news. We have a couple more weeks to live! I'm kidding and glad to hear that it's working. Good job guys!

Posted by: joenz | Sep 10, 2008 9:44:36 AM

@lol. You should ask god to teach you how to speak english.

Posted by: joenz | Sep 10, 2008 9:47:41 AM

HEY............ITS AWESOME PROJECT MAN......EVEN THEN, I THINK THAT IT'LL FAIL IN NEXT FEW DAYS. B'COZ AS WE KNOW ANYTHING THAT WE PREDICTED AND CALCULATED IN MATHS AND PHYSICS IS NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE IN REALITY... BUT I HOPE FOR THE SUCCESS MEAN WHILE I KNOW THE FAILURE RESULTS.......

WILL ALL THE TEAM A GOOD LUCK.....!

GAURAV MARDIKAR

Posted by: Gaurav Mardikar | Sep 10, 2008 9:48:22 AM

learn to spell.

Posted by: TO: lol | Sep 10, 2008 9:49:37 AM

@lol. Please dont weird!

Posted by: Can | Sep 10, 2008 9:50:22 AM

to gaurav mardikar. turn off your caps lock. also, things we predict in math and science have factual evidence to support them, its part of the scientific meathod all scientists follow. geeze, if youre an idiot please dont post.

Posted by: lol again | Sep 10, 2008 9:51:49 AM

Even nature isn't doing things that way. Particule will group or repulse each other. They are never (or very rarely) forced to collide. Do things the way nature does... Don't try to brute force everything. This is like playing the lottery and waiting for the correct combinaison to come out.

Posted by: Dan | Sep 10, 2008 9:52:03 AM

This is very exciting!

Posted by: cody | Sep 10, 2008 9:53:14 AM

is the man that made this mad they sould lock him up.

Posted by: ryan | Sep 10, 2008 9:56:49 AM

Yeah, it's God! Silly scientists! Stop trying to figure things out to improve the quality of life for closed-minded idiots!

Posted by: Zapp | Sep 10, 2008 9:57:18 AM

It's a victory of the Materialism.

Posted by: Thush Keet | Sep 10, 2008 10:00:59 AM

what does it do?

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:00:59 AM

To Dan,

Fermilab has been smashing atoms into each other for decades. Fermilab is big, but this is just the largest scale we've seen. The experiment of smashing atoms into each other is almost 100 years old. They're basically trying to create another big bang at this scale...

Posted by: phishphansj3151 | Sep 10, 2008 10:01:55 AM

porque fazer este teste???????????

Posted by: karol | Sep 10, 2008 10:03:07 AM

this is the most incredible thing ever

Posted by: God | Sep 10, 2008 10:03:27 AM

They should use my DNA to clone me, to assist with this experiment... shame...

Posted by: einstein | Sep 10, 2008 10:03:32 AM

I really think that they shouldn't do this... I think that this is just a bad idea, I mean its just not safe to attempt this kind of thing, I mean one wrong move and boom, goodbye everything, have they ever thoght about the extreme consiquences of this? I'm kinda worried about all of this...

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:04:25 AM

sep10,2008 14:04pm

Posted by: k | Sep 10, 2008 10:05:21 AM

all your base are belong to us

Posted by: JC | Sep 10, 2008 10:05:40 AM

Wow......the ignorance of these scientists if simply amazing. The truth is, we really DON'T KNOW what the results of the machine will be. First off, theres a high probability that black holes can be created. The stupid argument that the scientists use, "we'll be fine because cosmic rays hit Earth all the time and we're fine" is complete and utter bulls***. Cosmic rays from outer space hit STATIONARY objects on Earth, NOT OBJECTS ALSO MOVING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT! Particles that are BOTH going the speed of light and collide does NOT happen naturally. Thats a big problem right there. Second, we're relying on black holes to disappear based on a THEORY. A THEORY!!! Thats all 'Hawking Radiation' is...an unproven theory. If he's wrong, we're all dead. Even the article states that what they believed to be true yesterday isn't true today. This means whats true today can EASILY not be true tomorrow.

If one slight calculation if off, if things dont go EXACTLY as planned, the Earth will perish.

Maybe the world wont end tomorrow, but as they increase to higher energies throughout the year I can almost guarantee something will go wrong. Cherish your last remaining moments with your loved ones and Earth....wont be around for long.

Posted by: Awereness | Sep 10, 2008 10:06:02 AM

I cannot believe that you all consider yourselves intelligent. People contradicting other people's spelling, and spelling their own stuff wrong. Good Job.....Losers!

Posted by: Sam | Sep 10, 2008 10:06:15 AM

i feel the same as jack. if something goes wrong than....as he put it."boom."

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:07:56 AM

take it easy guys, keep you criticism on other bloggers to yourself. gratz on the accelerator. can't wait to see your results.

Posted by: NBCC | Sep 10, 2008 10:08:12 AM

The other day, I was walking by the river, and I took two rocks and smashed them together, large groupings of atoms in a solid state.

The one I threw cracked open, and the other stayed where it was. Peering into the cracked rock, I found the Higgs Boson.

He let me know that all he wanted was to be left alone, and was rather off-put by the fact that I smashed open his hiding place. After all, who looks for the Higgs Boson in a rock down by the river?

A van maybe...but nobody would've suspected a rock.

Either way, he's off hiding somewhere else now. Before he left, he explained that CERN were only interested in selling the photos of him and his family to the Enquirer, and he has no intention of letting that happen.

Posted by: Brad | Sep 10, 2008 10:08:58 AM

Ever since they turned this thing on my ass itches like crazy!!! anyone else?

Posted by: ddt4u | Sep 10, 2008 10:09:10 AM

to N-A, do you think anyone will stop them before they go too far?

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:10:27 AM

great man doing great job. all d best keep it up!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rohit | Sep 10, 2008 10:10:55 AM

i hope and pray you dont bring those huge creatures back again lol

Posted by: Pharoz | Sep 10, 2008 10:13:06 AM

moo

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 10:13:42 AM

jack, im not sure about the hole thing. but if thay spent 4 billion on this thar not going to stop now.

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:14:28 AM

This thing needs to be cancelled, it should be never be tested, its a huge danger to the entire existence of the world. We need to stop them before its to late

Posted by: Xzis | Sep 10, 2008 10:14:51 AM

It is better to spend the billions of dollars to make the life more confortable on earth instead of this,
to grow the life ,to plant , to make useful projects
what is the profit from all this ?
Are you trying to distroid earth?

Posted by: Eng. Robert Chami | Sep 10, 2008 10:15:22 AM

Hey lol again, if you are going to call someone out for being an idiot because they use the caps lock key, then perhaps you should spell check your post and learn proper grammar first.

"to gaurav mardikar" - Never start a sentence with a preposition.
"turn off your caps lock" - Have you ever heard of capital letters?
"also, things we" - Please see both points above.
"its part of the scientific" - its = it's as in it is
"meathod" - method
"geeze, if youre" - Capital letter and contraction violation.

Posted by: physicality | Sep 10, 2008 10:15:42 AM

It is interesting to see mankind trying to explain everything and after explaining everything, there is more to explain. Sounds like constantly explaining error, or chasing your tail. Why? We are human and can only measure and explain what humans can do.

Science cannot explain the big bang; how does the entire universe (light years of mass) get created out of nothing?

The particles that will eventually collide at fantastic speeds are based on a man made theory who is taking something (particles) to create something else (man made big bang). This will explain what they cannot explain: the big bang theory (which in itself is a man made theory).

I am sure science will explain how the big bang occurred and that they will have a very technical explanation for this. Although they might leave out the fact that a bunch of men (scientists - not nothing) took particles (which by the way are not nothing) and smashed them in a particle accelerator (which is not nothing but is man made) and lo and behold the explanation of the (man made) universe.

Science will eventually find error with this and explain away that error until more error is found.

Makes for good conversation though.

Posted by: JC | Sep 10, 2008 10:18:35 AM

Hopefully, I know this sounds harsh, and I can't belive I'm actually saying this, but I pray that that thing blows up compleatly beyond repair instead of working, because all its doing is striking fear into the hearts of billions of people, if it gets destroyed then all will be fine, I really feel like a git saying this like, but I'm praying that it doesn't work, at all. Sorry for sounding harsh.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:19:16 AM

hi, I m too much excited to know about this that it is happening when I am alive & when I m present in this earth.......

Posted by: sourabh | Sep 10, 2008 10:21:33 AM

Hay, I am very exicited & happy to know that The Large Hadron Collider is work succesfully. best job in world.

Posted by: Amit Gupta | Sep 10, 2008 10:23:48 AM

Im not sure what thay hope to do with this, but its realy not my place to say if thay use it or not.
And i still dont know what thay wanna use it for.

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:25:14 AM

Like jc said, this is good conversation.hahaa

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:27:48 AM

Blasphemers!
Later there will see 2 white dots on the monitor and wait! God will speak to them.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 10, 2008 10:28:05 AM

If science is wrong and they 'somehow' manage to destroy the Earth, at least we will not have to hear "I told you so".

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:29:09 AM

the thing i find funny is peole read about this....think they understand it and start posting like...omg they make one wrong move we all die...don't talk if you're dumb...and to the idiot who said close minded people....you're the one whos close minded if you fail to acknowledge reality and believe in some "supreme being" "god"...what a joke.

Posted by: brian | Sep 10, 2008 10:29:31 AM

i wish people wouldn't post on this sight and try to tell people that they're idiots becaus they're not still enthrawled by an outdated beleif that the almighty hand of god rules all, if you don't beleive in this stuff then go and preach elsewere.

anyway i'm a college student and not exactly interested in current affairs but this story really has me interested its just cool that we've come so far as to try and re-create the splitting of the atom, and i'm sure they have taken all the nessesary saferty precautions, otherwise they would not have been allowed to do it.

Posted by: prof_crunchy | Sep 10, 2008 10:30:24 AM

shit fuck off

Posted by: lisa | Sep 10, 2008 10:30:52 AM

Its way too risky, would anyone risk the world to advance science, whats the point? If it fails we could all well be dead, its really not worth it, even if it did cost a ridculous amount to make. Another really worrying though is what if it got in the wrong hands...

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:31:33 AM

Only Wall-E can save us now.

Posted by: William | Sep 10, 2008 10:31:38 AM

to brian

ever heard of pascals wager?

you should look it up...

Posted by: JC | Sep 10, 2008 10:31:56 AM

The only reason I think of why they built this LHC is to finally have a reason to come out with discoveries they made 50 years ago that were kept secret for National Security purpose. You know, those kind of things that would have helped us evolved but that they kept for themselves for so long.

Posted by: Dan | Sep 10, 2008 10:32:13 AM

What happen to the people on the sidewalk who cant afford a meal? Those who never tasted a hamburger or chicken nuggets? I think $9 Billion could go much father than a particle experiment. Instead, We should focus on making our lives better

BTW, Particles are not "nothing" and they must be created from something

Posted by: bull | Sep 10, 2008 10:32:39 AM

what the hell are saferty precautions?

Posted by: JC | Sep 10, 2008 10:33:50 AM

im not saying it is wrong, im not saying it right.

and brian is kinda right.
Dont be close minded.

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:27 AM

leave alone about the mini black hole being created....if after the experimentvsome how the secret of developing anti matter be reavealed known as (baryogenesis) then a real bomb may be called as a "matter bomb" could be created by mixing matter with anti matter and the total mass is converted to energy unlike nuclear fission or fusion where only a minute percent of the mass is converted to energy. It can be so powerful that it can destroy our solar system or even the entire galaxy.

but used properly we can travel at light speed to anywhere in space.

only positive use should be done..to maintain peace on earth.....

Posted by: vaibhav | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:28 AM

im not saying it is wrong, im not saying it right.

and brian is kinda right.
Dont be close minded.

Posted by: N-A | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:35 AM

Man can dream. We may already exist in a Moebius Strip. I propose that in the next 5 years, we will 'destroy' the universe, thereby giving rise to the exact universe we currently live in. And time becomes a loop.

Posted by: Nick | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:48 AM

Unfortunately, once the protons start colliding, we will probably see some very catastrophic events. What they will be doing does NOT happen naturally despite claims from other scientists.

We have a month left folks, then its the end.....unless the public stands up and puts a stop to this thing before it destroys the planet.

www.lhcfacts.org
www.lhcdefense.org

Posted by: Brad D. | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:55 AM

I don't want to disappoint the non-scientific minded folks posting here with actual science, but this machine is a good thing. It's safe, and is just building on previous research.
It's not the end of the world, although somedays I think that would be just fine, so relax people.
The type of scare tactics being thrown around by the ignorant here is truely mind-blowing. Jack for instance, wishing for this machine's destruction. It's all a little too much. Some of you guys sound like techno-haters to me. I fear those opposed to this way more than a black hole. Scary.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 10:39:16 AM

omg stephen hawking is a crazed maniac
even if there is only a slight chance of the end of the world
we shouldnt risk it
humans tend to make the "impossible" possible(man on the moon)

Posted by: informed | Sep 10, 2008 10:39:18 AM

Sure, go ahead and do what you want but use your own atom, God did'nt give you permission to use His.

Posted by: Dac | Sep 10, 2008 10:40:40 AM

Sorry about sounding so close-minded, but y'know all day I've been trying to reasure myself that its all gonna be okay and nothing bads gonna happen, and then every one I've talked to has been a nervous reck and talking about the world ending, now I've been trying to blot out this all day and have had several nervous breakdowns, looking for reasurance some that something might happen that'll calm me down,I've looked here, I'm just jumpy, I'd probably be okay had I not been hanging around with such close minded people, and I would be calm, its all gonna be alright its just my paranoia getting the better of me, sorry.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:41:39 AM

I like how these scientists say that they don't know what will happen, yet they do know what won't happen??? Give your head a shake people!

Posted by: Robo6869 | Sep 10, 2008 10:42:32 AM

To balance, read my last comment, its the reason I've been the way I've been, sorry, that the best reasurance I've had all day, that comment you just posted.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 10, 2008 10:44:21 AM

Esses cara são uns burros ....

Posted by: Edu | Sep 10, 2008 10:47:46 AM

JC your a tosser :)
anyway i just wanted to say that i went to see the LHC a few months ago on a college trip to Switzerland, and it truly is an amazing thing. And what it is trying to create is the conditions just after the big bang so that we can gain a greater understanding on the universe.
and stop trying to act smarter than everyone else because they've made a spelling mistake, it happens get over it

Posted by: Nick Stubley | Sep 10, 2008 10:49:21 AM

It seems that the tone of the messages in this forum are overwhelmingly against this project. Can I just point out that these experiments have been taking place over the past 30 years or so. Around the world there are between 70 and 80 particle accelerators, from USA to Europe, China and even Africa. This is not new science it is simply on a larger scale and the chances of these fanciful catastrophic theories coming true is over a million to one.
Secondly, having an inquisitive mind and wanting to know more about the world and universe we live in can hardly be described as playing god. We owe it to humanity to explore our world around us and try to answer the big question of 'why are we here?'
If it wasn't for pioneering exploration into the unknown you wouldn't be posting comments on a website or using a computer at all.
Hippies who want to sit in a field all day with the flowers and bunny rabits doing nothing constructive with their life are perfectly entitled to do so but shouldn't hold the rest of us back.

Posted by: TW | Sep 10, 2008 10:51:42 AM

That is a big penis. It wont prove anything!

Posted by: Ben Dover and Mike Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 10:52:51 AM

friggin crazee shit.

Posted by: Devin | Sep 10, 2008 10:53:31 AM

in my opinion, we weren't meant to know where we came from...and perhaps finding out may kill us all.

Posted by: kozom | Sep 10, 2008 10:54:26 AM

won't this produce anti matter?

as in the bane to our existence?

it didn't end well in angel's and demons....

Posted by: addalaine | Sep 10, 2008 10:56:54 AM

That doesn't prove anything. They didn't smash any of the atoms so how does that prove something?

Posted by: Nothing | Sep 10, 2008 10:58:28 AM

Well, certainly there are some dangers, but I think the dangers are being overblown. And while nature may not create something like this collider to smash particles together, what exactly do you think happens to a particle at extremely high temp/pressure, such as in the center of our star. The particles is aggitated to such an extreme state that it moves very fast and collides with other particles.

Fusion is necessary if we are to move forward and better understand the universe. It is also a much prefered form of energy production compared to fission. If we understand fusion and how to produce it we can use fusion to create all sorts of amazing new technology that will move us forward by leaps and bounds.

If we want to preserve the human race we must take risks to better understand our options for expanding beyond this world. No matter what, the earth cannot sustain us forever, just as it is a certainty that someday there will be another extinction event that could potentially wipe out most life on this planet. We must diversify to ensure the human race lives on.

Posted by: Zach | Sep 10, 2008 10:58:33 AM

Posted by: Ben Dover and Mike Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 10:58:50 AM

Personally, I think this is a good thing. People may be willing to risk the world to advance science; take a look at some of the nuclear experiments that took place. I'm sure no one really expected Godzilla to appear because of radiation (take me seriously, I'll laugh). I don't think now is the time to start worrying about the end of the world. We exist as we do today because of science. Because some "idiot" thought lightning was cool and wanted to see if he could replicate it. Because some "loser" tried to illuminate an inanimate object. These experiments they're doing could very well spawn the creation of a new form of energy. Even if the experiment does fail, we learn from our failures and we expand on them. This is most likely going to be one of those experiments that changes the world for the better. This is human evolution at it's best people. If God does exist, I'm sure he'd be proud of us.

Posted by: Nani | Sep 10, 2008 10:59:25 AM

@kozom: Take human anatomy 101 and attend college. You'll then find out "where we came from".

@Jack: Anything to help. Relax.
It's all good. =) (if you're serious, which I sincerely hope not, but if you are, trust me, there are 10,000 things that will end your life or destroy the planet before this one does.) That being said, stop worrying, and enjoy it (life) the most you can.

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Posted by: Ben Dover and Mike Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 11:03:48 AM

Well done everyone! Hope next steps will be successful. But last thing I expect is a Back Hole on our own planet. I wish it could create a Worm Hole instead, creating a shorcut to space/time travel. I wonder why Prof. Hawkings was so negative for the whole thing, may be he believe on time travel, but i dont want show it, since he know the nature of the people who controls the science experiments in the world. Hope no one will miss use this facility.

Posted by: Yasas Ponweera | Sep 10, 2008 11:04:45 AM

WOW

Posted by: kgoens | Sep 10, 2008 11:05:49 AM

Like dude this society sucks because i mean you are all immature son of a bitches and none of you have lives or brains you stupid JEWS! ~Ben Dover Mike Hunt :D

Posted by: Ben Dover and Mike Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 11:06:09 AM

lol. true it didnt end well, but that was only because it was in the wrong hands. if it could be controlled and and measure taken with extreme caution imagine the resources that can come from it. energy of unlimited capabilities. i guess its that whole what if that keeps driving us forward.

Posted by: To addalaine | Sep 10, 2008 11:07:54 AM

fuck you douche. me and mike are very mature and have a deeper understanding of science then u will ever comprehend with ur miniscule brain

praise the moonanites

Posted by: Benjamin Dover AND Michael Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 11:09:03 AM

Just when I feel like human beings are hopelessly stupid, they come around build things like this because they hunger for real knowledge... not the knowledge that a deity supposedly spoke to some person 1,000s of years ago just to write down. NO instead they seek the knowledge that they set out and discover on their own... Then I see that humans aren't so bad, or aren't so stupid, they're just those stupid ones that ruin the image for the rest.

Posted by: Aldo | Sep 10, 2008 11:10:11 AM

Just discovering that you can insult people and annoy over the internet in the year 2008 huh? And you're a anti-semetic fool? That is definately more frightening than a black hole. WOW.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 11:10:11 AM

You guys are freaking out for no reason. If the collider WAS in fact that dangerous I don't think they would even risk to build it. I think everything is going to be just fine, and the scientits will find out more about the Big Bang

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 11:10:26 AM

So, Lke the Television series SG-1, will some sort of dimension open that flushes Upward / Downward and/or will the proton collision generat unexpected results centered around a magnetic vortex?

I hope the demonstration is televised live on Nasa TV. { or CSpan.}

Posted by: Van Wynn | Sep 10, 2008 11:11:10 AM

Iam very afraid that the scientis are playing god again. How arrogant!! I wonder what were they thinking when they con-cocted this ridiculous idea. They don't actually know what this project will do and if something goes wrong it may make an expolsion far greater than the atomic bomb. Even if everything works smoothly, what do these geeks plan to do with this knowledge. Build even bigger weapons.

If only the scientist would do something more benificial, like cure cancer or solve polution, instead of trying to kill us all. Stop trying to meddle with things you dont understand and have no control over. Our world is screwed up enough as it is!!!!

Posted by: Rick Savage | Sep 10, 2008 11:11:19 AM

This unit is pushing 14 trillion volts on the proton beam. I am curious to know how they can measure voltage in trillion. Is there a volt meter that does this? I need one to measure the voltage when I rub my cat.

Posted by: Yvan Poulin | Sep 10, 2008 11:11:24 AM

i really wish they wouldn't carry on with this experiment, the people who are doing this are truly selfish and are risking our lives for the sake of finding something out that shouldn't really be discovered anyway. well that is what i think anyway, i don't wanna die!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bob | Sep 10, 2008 11:11:49 AM

I don't know english, but i say on my language; Inki, najtacniji kaledar ikada, ne meri vreme od 2008, a oni se tu glupiraju sa crnom rupom. Why that nead us???? i ask??? why? da sami sebe unistimo na kraju!!!1

Posted by: Mira | Sep 10, 2008 11:12:12 AM

So, Lke the Television series SG-1, will some sort of dimension open that flushes Upward / Downward and/or will the proton collision generat unexpected results centered around a magnetic vortex?

I hope the demonstration is televised live on Nasa TV. { or CSpan.}

Posted by: Van Wynn | Sep 10, 2008 11:12:31 AM

@Aldo: Who was discussing religion?
The purpose of the LHC isn't to re-inforce your atheistic beliefs, sorry to say. It's hard scinece. It has nothing to do with religion. No one mentioned it but you. Get a grip.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 11:13:50 AM

i really dont wanr to die i am only 11 i havent been on an eroerplane i hate this matine

Posted by: nadia mageean | Sep 10, 2008 11:15:31 AM

There is a leaked video on You Tube from CERN (LHC Black hole simulation Large Hadron Collider CERN) there is more to this than meets the eye, the black hole is not the concern, it is the revelation that may shatter our perception of reality.

The link is on http://godparticle.net which has insight into the revelation. Do you really think they would spend 6 billion dollars just to find a particle? The truth is related to energy, the ability to turn mass on and off, and the revelation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFYlbsTlCk0

Posted by: Richard Thomas | Sep 10, 2008 11:15:37 AM

i jus wish they wouldn't go ahead with it, isn't there a way we can make them stop?

Posted by: bob | Sep 10, 2008 11:15:41 AM

Awereness, you truly are an idiot. Think about it, the scientists don't want to kill themselfs, so why on earth would they lie? Actually i've changed my mind, I believe you over some of the most intelligent people we have. Whatever.

Posted by: jak | Sep 10, 2008 11:16:20 AM

On second thought, with all the immature, insane, anti-science statements being made here on the wired SCIENCE BLOG (not anti-science folks, that's another blog), perhaps some sort of worm hole was opened up by the LHC already :
To a dimension of ignorance!

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 11:16:36 AM

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Posted by: Ben Dover and Mike Hunt | Sep 10, 2008 11:17:45 AM

Honetly... I don't exist. If I did exist then I wouldnt allow an abomonation such as this exist. If I did allow it to exist then it was MENT to exist. Religeon should be banned, because my name is dropped where it shouldnt be. Scientists are pushing the limits to improve the quality of life, and you're fear of the unknown is trying to undo everything that these good people are trying to create for YOU. So please listen to me, your best imaginary friend... Let the men most qualified try to explain the unexplained.

Posted by: god | Sep 10, 2008 11:19:01 AM

wow....these comments are way too...technical and suicidal....wow

Posted by: hello | Sep 10, 2008 11:19:14 AM

"On second thought, with all the immature, insane, anti-science statements being made here on the wired SCIENCE BLOG (not anti-science folks, that's another blog), perhaps some sort of worm hole was opened up by the LHC already :
To a dimension of ignorance!"

LOL, I love it!

Posted by: The person above me is a moron. | Sep 10, 2008 11:21:01 AM

ur a dumb jew

Posted by: bruce jew hater | Sep 10, 2008 11:21:36 AM

most religions will be proved wrong soon and no more R.S :( but its amasing what people can think isnt it?

Posted by: Connor | Sep 10, 2008 11:21:44 AM

if we all were lazy and cautious and never tried anything new, we would have nothing in this world, we'd probably still be living in caves and smashing in skulls with flint axes. So why stop now, if we have the chance, we have the tech, lets do it, lets take another risk and discover as we all are meant to. And also, stop caring about anothers thoughts on this, they can't stop it and they didn't probably start it so leave off Ok. and on the subject of leaving off, stop shouting at people who make mistakes, yeah they're idiots but not everyone knows as much as you "scientists" cus thats how you're acting. Good luck with everything you striving scientists and good on you to the people supporting.
P.S i'm 13 and you guys are what over 20, grow up all you miserable non-believing gits.

Posted by: somebody who knows | Sep 10, 2008 11:22:12 AM

Nothings going to happen!!!...
so no need to worry not now nor later.

Posted by: Laugh a minuit!!!..... | Sep 10, 2008 11:22:27 AM

Shocking amount of ignorance about this subject... How many of you skeptics have taken a course in high energy particle physics?

I find it funny that science never rules out the possibility of God existing (or any other spirituality), but creationists and other Christian sects ALWAYS try to exclude science. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE IGNORANT TO BE FAITHFUL.

To all the dolts who think the world is going to end because of a micro black hole -- I actually hope you are right; There will be way less stupid people in the universe.

Posted by: Mike | Sep 10, 2008 11:23:28 AM

why do they have to go ahead with it, i am only 12 and i am just really scared about what could happen, i don't want to die yet.
please, someone has to understand me?

Posted by: bob | Sep 10, 2008 11:23:48 AM

I still think it will not prove what they are looking for.
The amount of radiation and heat it will generate is going to be astounding.
I think it will be a expensive bust at the least and a disaster at it's worst. If nothing else to the machinery it's self..It sounds like what they are going to do is stress this to the max.
A melt down? Explosion?
We'll see for sure, because one thing is for sure, they are GOING to do it.
And if this doesn't work, if they find it isn't large enough?? Do they set out to make one larger?
Most likely...

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 11:24:07 AM

Remember boys and girls there is only one earth for us all to live on. Why dwell into the subscopic world of matter? Just to satisfy someones curiousity. What do they plan to gain from it? A better understanding of how the universe works is a bunch of CRAP!!! The real reason behind it maybe far more sinaster.

Posted by: Rick Savage | Sep 10, 2008 11:24:19 AM

AAAAAAA! We're all gonna die!!! Neh, just kidding, lol

Posted by: stephen | Sep 10, 2008 11:25:26 AM

Once again, I see the same irresponsible and misleading argument from the scientists that have an interest themselves in the LHC at CERN. That argument is that we are safe because we are already bombarded with these particle collisions everyday, such as x-rays and gamma rays hitting the Earth's atmosphere. This is far from the truth and I will explain a few of the reasons why, and what the scientists are failing to report in their efforts to skirt the real issues with the LHC.

Cosmic rays hitting the Earth, are hitting a relatively stationary object on a cosmic scale at velocities below the speed of light.
Most of these particles are deflected around the Earth by Earth's own magnetic field.

The particle collisions that they propose to do at the LHC, have protons accelerated to near the speed of light, but from opposite
directions head-on into one another. This has the same effect of a proton hitting a stationary object at almost twice the speed of light, which HAS NOT been observed to occur in our natural universe that we know. This is very simple math... a no-brainer so to speak.

Einstein theorized that mass could not be accelerated faster than the speed of light, that once matter reached the speed of light, or greater, it would in fact become energy, and a collision could not happen, as those two sources of matter would simply pass right through one another upon their meeting. The fact that they are able to make a particle collision at above light speeds show Einstein's equations were wrong or flawed on this aspect of physics.

Einstein's famous equation, E=mc squared, does not apply to the subatomic world. The 'm' in this equation represents mass, and the
scientist at LHC are seeking to deconstruct mass to try and understand what and where mass comes from. That given, we can replace the 'm' in the equation with an unknown 'x', so E=xc squared. Now comes the problem... if the variable 'x' is a negative value, highly possible when deconstructing a particle, it then represents anti-matter, then E becomes -E, or in other words anti-energy. This anti-energy and anti-matter may very well be what forms theoretical black holes and 'strangelets'... we simply don't know.

The 'Big Bang' theory hypothesizes that this event happened from a singularity, so there is no such thing as a 'small re-creation' of this event. Size and volume are properties of mass, and do not exist in the realm where there is no mass, such as the conditions they are trying to create at LHC. They could quite possibly create the actual 'Big Bang' again, as there is no size to a singularity, therefore there is no size to the re-creation of their 'Big Bang' event.

The bottom line is, that these scientists at the LHC DO NOT KNOW what will happen when they try and create their 'miniature re-creation' of the 'Big Bang'. The pursuit of knowledge is not justified when the stakes could possibly be the end of humanity.

I am not a 'doom-monger', nor radical, but one that places great value in the sciences. What concerns me the most is the fact that the scientist are not relaying the true facts about LHC, and only expound on science that is only a theory and not fact, this to assure us we will all be OK with their experiments. If they have nothing to hide, then why do they misrepresent the facts?

Posted by: Science Buff | Sep 10, 2008 11:29:45 AM

All you guys shut up and watch the fireworks. I put scientists on this Earth to educate you sheep.

Posted by: God | Sep 10, 2008 11:30:24 AM

WOW!!! really stupid people post on here!

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 11:30:37 AM

to all you peeps saying its god... well 2 eords, prove it. oh wait you cant.

Posted by: god | Sep 10, 2008 11:31:06 AM

lol god didnt create jack sh!t

Posted by: Alex | Sep 10, 2008 11:31:16 AM

DONT DO IT

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 11:32:36 AM

unnecessary to expend a lot of money to the project. millions of people starving today. hundreds of thousands dying 'cause of poverty. which one is important, humanity or science? reality or fantasy?

Posted by: shakil reaz | Sep 10, 2008 11:33:08 AM

I can tell you what they will discover.

They will discover that before the Big Bang there was another universe. And in that universe there was a planet with creatures, who called themselves "humans". And just before the Big Bang those humans were trying to test the theory of the Big Blow ......

ha-ha-ha .....

Posted by: Yurx | Sep 10, 2008 11:33:20 AM

hmm.. i think v all should stop thinking as thousand of scientists r thinking,all stop thinking what is going to happen is going to happen no one can STOP ITT..... enjoy life leave the rest...

Posted by: vinod gilatar | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:00 AM

Ok, here goes my 2 cents...
I think that we have exactly what we need in this world to live. I don't care if this will help with TV or cell phone reception, or with bigger things. The human race is doing just fine right now as far as technology goes. I just can't believe how selfish people can be.

Posted by: Ridiculous | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:04 AM

Im open to all new things and im also a Christian, but I think I speak for about 90% of the world population in saying I AM SCARED.. Can anyone just explain the point and purpose of this machine and the possible consequences.. Someone that knows please not some dip-shit making out they do..

Regards Simon.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:20 AM

WHY WHY WHY!!!

why did you guys do this for , there is people that still wants to live and need to live their lieve longer, people like me.. you should have informed the whole world about this, before you started the whole thing... IT MADE ME CRY WHEN I HEARD THE NEWS... but by GODS GRACE , it will all go well, i believe that it's "GOD" whom crated the whole world, he will be the one coming to end the world ... you scientist shouldnt have done it .. ah well itis done, so i cant do any thing about it ... i'm wishing u all the best , and by GOD's grace , it will all go very well.... i'm very happy for today, but there is still more coming , and i am hoping that it will all go well.....:)

Posted by: why my name | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:25 AM

everybody trying to say that this will creat a black hole has just as much theroy saying it wont so everybody shut the fuck up
just say "sweet cool machine hope we learn something from it"

Posted by: adam | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:32 AM

Hey wasn't there a book about this?

Angels and Demons by Dan Brown I believe. The same guy who wrote The da Vinci code.

Pretty good book. And it raised a good point about this. The accelerator itself is neither good nor evil. It's the hands that use it that determine the outcome of this project. Smashing particles together could help us develop a brand new kind of energy, greater than even nuclear energy. It could be used to give power and clean-burning energy to billions upon billions of people who need it the most.

Or, it could do the exact opposite and be used as a weapon to murder billions upon billions of people who are just trying to live their lives on this planet.

The real question is, are we as humans developed enough, responsible enough, to be able to handle this kind of power?

And to my fellow Christans out there, this does not disprove the existence of God - if anything it enhances it. It has taken us thousands of years to get to this point where we can even imagine such things as atoms and big bangs. All God had to do was speak the Word, and we were created. God made us in his image, maybe he also is showing us the way to his Glory.

Posted by: Steph | Sep 10, 2008 11:34:53 AM

Although physicists acknowledge that the collider could, in theory, create small black holes, they say they do not pose any risk. A study released Friday by CERN scientists explains that any black hole created would be tiny, and would not have enough energy to stick around very long before dissolving. Five collider collaborators who did not pen the report independently told CNN there would be no danger from potential black holes.

John Huth, who works on the collider's ATLAS experiment, called such fears "baloney" in a recent interview, and noted that in normal physics, even if the black hole were stable, it could just pass through the Earth without being detected or without interacting at all.

"The gravitational force is so weak that you'd have to wait many, many, many, many, many lifetimes of the universe before one of these things could [get] big enough to even get close to being a problem," said Huth, professor of physics at Harvard University
source: CNN

Unless you too, are a physics professor at Harvard, then please shut up with the nonsense. If you care to discuss the implications of this experiment, and the science behind it, like a normal person, feel free to continue.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 11:35:20 AM

The LHC is Gods way of scratching an itch and we are the neurons that feel the itch.

Posted by: w. blake | Sep 10, 2008 11:35:30 AM

@Simon: You don't get to speak for .09 percent of the world's population, let alone 90 percent.
Your religious belief is also completely irrelavent to the TECHNICAL discussion.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 11:37:42 AM

to all the people saying it's not god, prove it. oh wait, you can't prove god does not exist.

Posted by: bob | Sep 10, 2008 11:37:51 AM

i beleave that if we can recreate the big bang as some people are saying, with this machine than that would ultimatly show that god didnot create anything because why would god give us the power to do this

but if we all do die somehow i wont have to worry about all you saying you were right because we will all be dead lol

science FTW!!!!!!

Posted by: haha | Sep 10, 2008 11:38:59 AM

Right am i one of the few that seems to reailze that a blackhole can only be created when a large star implodes? And thats one hell of a lot more energy than this things producing, what most people seem to forget is that these sceientists aren't stupid, if they thought th risk was to great the wouldn't have thought twice about shutting this experiment down.
And for those fools, there is no God he is a figment of the imagination designed to keep people in place and give them hope that if they follow his rule they'll live forever in 'heaven'...bullshit

Posted by: Me | Sep 10, 2008 11:39:05 AM

@Awareness

Awareness, you obviously have no understanding whatsoever of physics. Cosmic rays hitting an object that is stationary in our reference frame can be seen as both moving in a different reference frame. The only thing that matters is the relative energies of the objects involved. Thus the cosmic ray idea IS valid.

With regard to microscopic black holes, just because they exist doesn't mean they can easily gobble anything. If the event horizon has such a small radius that it barely even gobbles protons, it ain't growing fast at all. Even neglecting the hawkings radiation, the black hole will grow at an excruciatingly slow rate such that you will be long dead by the time it starts to eat atoms.

Please educate yourself instead of making claims based on the assumption that you are right and everyone else is wrong. The scientists don't want to die either.

Posted by: B | Sep 10, 2008 11:39:36 AM

To those who think this experiment is a waste of time because they know god made the universe need to SHUT UP and listen.

The scientists who developed this machine aren't trying to prove god doesn't exist, they are simply trying to understand the properties of the universe with evidence as appose to theories.

I believe in god and as far as I care, these experiments prove the existence of god even more so, but by getting answers to complicated questions like the ones LHC is trying to get, we humans will have a better understanding of the universe and essentially about ourselves.

And finally, to those who don't believe in god, all I have to say is "ignorance is bliss", right?

Posted by: abdin | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:19 AM

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Posted by: Jack Straw | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:25 AM

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Posted by: test it! | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:42 AM

I find it incredbily interesting that people with absolutely no scientific background have come to the conclusion that this thign is the harbringer of earth's destruction. It reminds me of smilar arguments made against supersonic flight and splitting the atom. Chill out people, just beacuse it sounds cary doesn't mean it is. Particles travelling near the speed of light and chrashing into each other is ABSOLUTELY natural, it's just rare and difficult to observe in the field. The only thing this machine does is offers a way to measure the results of that collision.

We'll be fine, kids.

And by the way, if God didn't want this to happen. Are you really asserting that He would be helpless to stop it?

Posted by: Garrett Henderson | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:43 AM

There have been nay sayers always ... plenty in the history. There have been scientists that predict they will parallel creation itself. Both are on the extremes. One thing is true, we have made tremendous progress since the old times. We have discovered things that take our breath away. Who would have believed that there are black holes, if not for the proof that science has generated. Thanks to the brillance of scientists like Eistein, Newton, Chandra ..... our life is vastly better. We are not thinking that comets are bad omen to name one ...

I AM EXTREMELY CURIOUS AND AWED BY THIS COLLIDER. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE TRMENDOUS DISCOVERIES MADE AND WHILE WE MAY NOT MEET ALL GOALS, THIS WILL GROW OUR KNOWLEDGE. KNOWLEDGE LEADS TO ENLIGHTENMENT AND PEACE ....

KEEP FAITH IN SELF .. WE ARE AFTERALL, CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF THE GOD AND THUS WHY SHOULD WE NOT AIM HIGH ...

KEEP GOING ... GOODLUCK

Posted by: Murali, MI | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:47 AM

Even if this was to create antimatter, it would not be the "bane to out existance". Antimatter is nothing more then a molicule where the charge of the particles that create it have an opisite charge of the 'regular' matter counterparts. When an antimatter molicule comes in contact with it's counterpart both molicules are destroyed and photons are realeased. That is all.

Posted by: Matt | Sep 10, 2008 11:40:55 AM

lol, ok, lets look at the big picture...they want to find out what happened at the billionth of a second after the universe started.
Ok, i'm for that...but my question is...why? What will that 1 billionth of a second show us, what will it prove?
How will we, as humans be able to comprehend something so complicated and structurally impossible to create as it was way back before we were even thought of.

Yes, there are many questions unsolved out there, and they are unsolved for a reason...we are not clever enough or indeed capable of understanding everything, it's not possible. Why can't we leave the huge things alone, especially the ones that can go tits up very fast, and create another paradime of the big bang.

So, the side efects, and potential for disaster...hmmm, the "scientists" are not sure? You mean, to tell us, you can'r guarantee it will work? Are you nuts?

So if this all goes pear shaped..what back up plan you got? How are you going to stop a black hole, should it get out of controll?

Let me guess, you got a spare planet for us to live on, or mabee can create a genesis bomb to start human kind off again.

If it fails, give me 30 min warning, i want to be able to come over there and punch your lights out first.

Posted by: wingus | Sep 10, 2008 11:41:29 AM

(sorry)actual long lasting Blackholes

Posted by: Me | Sep 10, 2008 11:41:39 AM

2012...

Posted by: anticometh | Sep 10, 2008 11:42:39 AM

"first particle collisions occur" -- collisions have been occuring with people and their "brains and thinking" right here on all of those comments -- as i also am doing right now. but my point is when we are going to stop criticize and fight with each other? what is the point? who wins? other than that, if we've reached this point of time to do this, let it be. relax and observe.

Posted by: t | Sep 10, 2008 11:42:40 AM

i know its a gd thing for science and to understand more bout the universe. But does it gain anything for the world? i mean will it help and change the lives of the people around us? im just pointing out the fact and not discriminating on this thing.

Posted by: Zaha | Sep 10, 2008 11:44:06 AM

All I have to say is our fragile memories will soon be erased by a powerful sun

Posted by: Dan | Sep 10, 2008 11:44:21 AM

@balance... If you say so... Generally speaking though, people proclaiming to be some sort of 'boffin' or scientific type can take criticism and points of view, equally as well as they give them.. You on the other hand can not, so shut the fuck up.. Thankyou

Posted by: Simon | Sep 10, 2008 11:44:24 AM

perhaps , i dont know ,what to say,everything is doing well, except these mad men -they are unleashed here.

Posted by: ally | Sep 10, 2008 11:45:21 AM

well done. we are put here to figure it out and this is another step on that infinite road. its our destiny and what makes us more than animals!

Posted by: daveh | Sep 10, 2008 11:48:22 AM

It is not the first time that a proton collider has been built!

Who says it can take us back to the purported 'beginning' of the universe!

What a ridiculous statement to make!!

A spiritual understanding + physicl understanding are mutually exclusive... yet we comprise of both... as does the universe...

Those that speak about 'God'... are we not speaking of 'the creative force of the universe'... it is shorthand to call 'God'... but we only come nearer by BELIEF...

Belief is ALL!
Belive is EVERYTHING!

P.S. And whilst I am given this unique opportunity to articulate my beliefs - based on the evidence - 911 was indeed an 'inside' job...
Was Marvin Bush not in charge of the security under a 2 year contract to provide services and the same expired on the morning of 911-2001?
CUI BONO! [(Whose benefit? Look at who was to benefit! Was it not one GWB?]

Posted by: John | Sep 10, 2008 11:48:27 AM

The closer we are to approaching the end of the Mayan calendar, the more it seems that mankind is determined to make sure that the end of the world occurs.

Posted by: Go Mayans | Sep 10, 2008 11:48:30 AM

If it goes "BOOM", who cares....finally peace.

Posted by: Jose | Sep 10, 2008 11:49:07 AM

To Science Buff,

Having worked at Fermilab, you aren't very up-to-date, try reading some research.

Better yet, leave the real science to those who do it as a career, not those who just read about it as reported by a media that has little scientific knowledge.

Posted by: ... | Sep 10, 2008 11:50:00 AM

i didn't know anything about this until I woke up this morning... all this talk of a hawkin experiment about the end of the world... then I read this CERN stuff... deja vu - dan brown.... freaky weird.

Posted by: Jim Flyerboy | Sep 10, 2008 11:50:05 AM

Everyone who posts a comment here should first read up on the LHC machine itself: http://www.iop.org/EJ/journal/-page=extra.lhc/jinst
I have read only a few comments, but it's pretty clear very few people who post actually know anything. Independent research is good for you.

Posted by: Will | Sep 10, 2008 11:51:02 AM

the mayans were working on a self fulfilling prophacy

Posted by: george | Sep 10, 2008 11:51:14 AM

BELIEF is ALL!
BELIEVE is EVERYTHING!!!

Posted by: Marky | Sep 10, 2008 11:52:03 AM

If God didn't create the universe, the universe had to create itself, or it was always here, both of these other ideas are impossible. First of all dead matter has no itelligence. Second, if the universe was always there all the kinectic energy in the universe would have been given off leaving of matter at a temperature of absolute zero. Here's a thought, where did all this matter come from?
Theres many names but only one answer.

Posted by: Strace | Sep 10, 2008 11:52:12 AM

look at the up side... if it fails the chance is that we wouldnt need that money for all the problems of the world, because there wont be one anymore

Posted by: Guy | Sep 10, 2008 11:53:13 AM

O help us all!! too many ignorant and paranoid fools all of you .... Vote obama

Posted by: Zues | Sep 10, 2008 11:53:58 AM

fuck yall lame ass hoes

Posted by: big dady | Sep 10, 2008 11:54:51 AM

%%%If God didn't create the universe, the universe had to create itself, or it was always here, both of these other ideas are impossible. First of all dead matter has no itelligence. Second, if the universe was always there all the kinectic energy in the universe would have been given off leaving of matter at a temperature of absolute zero. Here's a thought, where did all this matter come from?
Theres many names but only one answer.%%%

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Simon | Sep 10, 2008 11:54:56 AM

Spelling and grammer are both irrelevant as long as the thought gets conveyed.
On to the issue! (<-- eliptical subject and verb for those English professors paying attention)

I think many people here are making the mistake of thinking this is a God Vs. Science issue. It's really not. Thoughout our entire history man has continuously developed new tools to help him understand his surroundings, and to live more comfortably. Religious folk would say evoloution is not accurate while scientist would all agree that man has not physically evolved in the last 5000 years. So both parties would be in agreement that man has not changed. The reality we all live in is that the human race has something either programmed by god or programmed by years of evolution that makes us want to learn as much as we can before we die. This accelorator is simply another example in the many, many examples in history. I think the people who cry out "doomsday" should take a step back and concider the possibility that they do not fully understand the process or science of this project. They should also concider that if God created us with this desire to expand our knowledge of the universe, then perhaps God wishes us to better understand the makings of the universe. I can't imagine with all of his infanite wisdom, he wouldn't have seen this coming and put a stop to it if it really were going to destroy his only creation. After all, isn't Jesus suppose to ride in and destroy the wicked? I don't beleive the Bible mentions CERN destroying the wicked.

I think as a race, we should be pushing for this sort of scientific exploration, not hindering it. I would strongly suggest to those who are worried to look up the scientific facts, then weigh the pros and cons of the project. Look into the heart of the matter and the heart of yourself, let fear and preconcived notions go, and approch this with a freash perspective.

Posted by: NWT | Sep 10, 2008 11:55:01 AM

I posted too!

Posted by: someone else | Sep 10, 2008 11:56:13 AM

How do you generate 14 trillion volts? Must be an impressive fuel source.

Posted by: interested | Sep 10, 2008 11:56:22 AM

prayog ki ma ki chut(bhosada),,,,
ma chudaye france,,,,,,,,
kisi ki jhant nahi ukhdegi,koi result nahi ane wala,,,,,,
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
bolo bhosara devi ki jai

Posted by: satya | Sep 10, 2008 11:57:02 AM

this should have been done in a less populated area - like the desert!

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 11:58:08 AM

It is sad that we have come to the point that it is not sophisticated to believe in a creator, a God one that made the universe and everything in it..
Science wants to show us how insignificant and ridiculous people that believe are.
I think science will try but we will always come to the point that we are stumped.
I think this will be another experiment that only leaves questions or the sick knowledge that we are mere man and small and too arrogant to have tried to access so much power.

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 11:58:17 AM

god didn't create the earth if people say he did then answer the question who created god ? surely there was some sort of first cause and even with this experiment scientists are not going to be able to tell us what the first cause was or how it came about.
and secondly the world will not end alot of earth's top scientists are and have worked on this experiment and if you cannot put your trust in that class of expertise then your should not be using half of the worlds current technologies. who thought the engine was a good idea? mini explosions to create movement ?
but it worked and so will this

Posted by: GOD | Sep 10, 2008 11:58:40 AM

If it does destroy the world, at least all the idiots posting here will die. The universe might be a better place thereby.

And if God doesn't want us to do it, he's welcome to stop us.

Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson | Sep 10, 2008 11:58:47 AM

Hey, guys! The world is going to end, so quit posting on this site and go enjoy your last few days on Earth.

P.S. The world is not going to end. Go outside, anyway.

Posted by: Duh | Sep 10, 2008 11:59:08 AM

Just because you call it the "God Particle" doesn't mean you know that the balances are equal.

Posted by: Gavin Rossdale | Sep 10, 2008 11:59:13 AM

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”

-Albert Einstein

That's all I have to contribute reading some of these post.

Posted by: rayeth | Sep 10, 2008 12:01:28 PM

I can understand why they are doing this experiment. I "assumed" that if it would be that dangerous to man kind and that so many things could go seriously wrong, they would not continue to do this experiment. I was told even with the high risk of destroying the planet, they would continue with it because maybe it wont happen that way.
Today has made my very soul uneasy.
The not knowing how our future is going be doesn't leave me happy either.
Maybe it will just unfold into armegeddon.
I , quite honestly, hope that it goes as planned, the planet and its inhabitants continue to live without any repercussions.
I would love to talk to one of the scientists at CERN and pick his brain and maybe get some truthful answers instead of fear laced truth from everyone else.
*crosses fingers it goes well or stops all together*

Posted by: *sigh* | Sep 10, 2008 12:01:30 PM

Why is it that nobody on this forum seems able to string a legible sentence together? Also, why is it that everybody has at least one spelling error in their post? You can't take anyone seriously who has not first established how to communicate.
Back on topic though, best of luck to the team attempting this. If nothing was ever tried we would still be dwelling in caves in fear of fire and a supreme being in the sky. Let's suppose it all goes supremely wrong and there is a big boom. So what! There are too many people on this over populated world in any case. You should be more worried about ebola jumping onto a trans-atlantic flight tomorrow, spread either by accident or by somebody with a fanatical belief system. There is an old saying: The two worst things ever dreamt up were politics and religion. We can deal with politics but religion will be the death of us all.

Posted by: bob obble | Sep 10, 2008 12:02:18 PM

All right...Lets venture into the unknown. Did Columbus know what he was doing when he set sail? Probably not. These guys are just trying out something new. So what if they blow up the universe. It will happen so fast you won't feel a thing.
Just think where we'd be without science. No automobiles, no doctors, no tv and possibly no fresh water. (remember that Kevin Costner hit Water World???) Where would we be?
Just let these people do what they do.

Posted by: strizzy | Sep 10, 2008 12:02:21 PM

Dr. Strangelove would be interested in this. We have here perhaps the real Doomsday Machine, albeit not yet perfected. If tiny black holes ARE produced by LHC, you can bet the experimentalists, being inquisitive types, will study how they are produced and evaporate and such, and this will prompt some clever young person to calculate the optimum parameters to run the LHC at so as to maximize production, and maximize mass per black hole and therefore maximize time before the black hole evaporates, and will of course tell this to everybody he or she knows. One this becomes known, the J. Robert Oppenheimer or Edward Teller of our era will realize that it may be possible to convert the LHC into yet another weapon of mass destruction, and will hook up with the Curtis LeMay of our era and get the funding necessary to Make It Happen. That is, a machine buried a couple hundred meters under France and Switzerland that can end the world at the turn of a knob or two. Whoever controls those knobs will be able to hold the rest of the world hostage on any issue at all.

For that matter, once the parameters for making large enough black holes are known, then any country or religious bloc with enough money and a few smart guys and gals can design a minimal cost Doomsday Machine of their very own, and hold everybody else hostage. It may cost a whole lot less than the LHC's 8 billion, since most of the technological advances necessary to achieve this machine are already published and accessible to anybody.

Of course, if those computers which control the running of the LHC are connected to the Internet in any way at all, then a good enough hacker anywhere in the world can turn those knobs himself, just to see what will happen.

Posted by: John Mann | Sep 10, 2008 12:02:47 PM

The scientist should be much more responsable and end this now if they fuck up we all DIE.

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 12:03:32 PM

what the fuck is wrong with your creationist faggots

its evolution

Posted by: kratos | Sep 10, 2008 12:03:37 PM

ok.... i'm a pessemist.. and no the world isn't goin to end.. there is an 11 in 15 million chance we will die so stfu and do wat u want

Posted by: the truth | Sep 10, 2008 12:03:55 PM

...oh and by the way...the whole "destroying the world thing" is reserved for God for those of you who wants to bring God into this...(scripture proved, so go read it).

Posted by: rayeth | Sep 10, 2008 12:04:12 PM

Watch out Religions, Here comes the truth...

Posted by: Wessus | Sep 10, 2008 12:04:20 PM

don't do the experiment cause "god created the universe"?? have you seen god lately?

Posted by: jason | Sep 10, 2008 12:04:52 PM

God you guys play way to many video games and watch way 2 many sci fi movies " one wrong move and the world ends!!!" Go out and get laid

Posted by: Player hater | Sep 10, 2008 12:04:59 PM

are you scientists even thinking about how this might turn out?!!!!! did you ever consider the fact that you could end the world as we know it?what are you going to do if ypu have a slight miscaculation? not everyone is "all go's" for this project so why take them with you?! i swear these people to optimistic about experiment. Like a basic grade Lab science fair project, they always have problems when they change the indepependent variable( or whatever itis that they change during the experiment.)Let alone the religious thougt; that is another day another subject!

Posted by: Andeana | Sep 10, 2008 12:07:15 PM

After reading this article and other related to this one I believe that it is a very important moment for all of us both in the science and non-science fans. Posting our opinions about this is the only way we can respond at the moment. I am a deeply spiritual christian and as all christians know the end of the world will come at it's time. If you do believe in true God and Bible of course. I hope that this experiment goes well and we all learn something from it.

Posted by: Nat | Sep 10, 2008 12:09:29 PM

did I miss something???

Posted by: Venusian | Sep 10, 2008 12:10:04 PM

listen, let them do what they want. If the world ends and we all die...then so be it. Everything has a beginning and an end anyway. Don't stress about it. Just go outside and enjoy the day.

Posted by: Guy | Sep 10, 2008 12:10:07 PM

FOR EVERYONE THAT LINKS GOD TO THIS SUBJECT:
Prove that god exists. Take a photo. Then we can involve him in this discussion. How can you believe in something if you have never seen it? You could say the same about dark matter. At least these guys are searching for the evidence to back up their claims!

Posted by: IS THERE A GOD | Sep 10, 2008 12:10:29 PM

did I miss something???

Posted by: Venusian | Sep 10, 2008 12:11:27 PM

Holy macaroni dude, this is so cool. i hope nothing goes wrong man. wo im so exited about the results. they r going to be totally rad if it creates a big bang

Posted by: Graham | Sep 10, 2008 12:11:37 PM

@simon: If this is the same simon as the first post: LOL.

You claim you are a Christian, and speak for 90 % of the world's population.

When I point out that you cannot speak for everyone, and that your religion (which you claim to follow), has nothing to do with the topic, you tell me to STFU. LOL. Sure thing..

PS. I made no claim to be a boffin.
I just stated the what I know to be true, as far as science is concerend. You're more than welcome to share your fear, but don't claim to speak for 5 billion people, and expect to be taken seriously. I don't give irrrational arguments from ignorant fools the same weight as those that actually can comprehend and understand scinece. I am a believer in God myself, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, from a technical analysis. Are you going to make me "shut up" now? LOL...

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 12:12:02 PM

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Although physicists acknowledge that the collider could, in theory, create small black holes, they say they do not pose any risk. A study released Friday by CERN scientists explains that any black hole created would be tiny, and would not have enough energy to stick around very long before dissolving. Five collider collaborators who did not pen the report independently told CNN there would be no danger from potential black holes.
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This is where the stupidity of man comes into act. Man knows that he must not increase the strength of these balck holes because it can be dangerous BUT, he manage to do it anyway for the fuck of it even though, he clearly know the result will be unsatisfactory.

It's been like this for ages. Man knew about the nuclear bomb but still tested it.

First off, haven't humans already proove to us that they can (and will) play with dangerous stuff before? Nuclear power plants perhaps. LENR has been out for quite some time now but once again, stupidity of man rules.... Greedy poeple always win in this world.

Big Bang BTW is just a theory. Everything we know are just theory. Knowledge

Posted by: Dan | Sep 10, 2008 12:12:04 PM

@bob obble
'I'm' not having any trouble at all understanding what other people are writing.

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:12:25 PM

3000 some thing scientists, 9 billion some thing $ ...

It better be good and worth. Oh, and it better work!

if it does'nt let us know whose idea it was.... there are people dying of hunger out here.

Posted by: Mc square | Sep 10, 2008 12:12:25 PM

oh my god...the idiocy that grew while i slept...
1st of all anyone who raised any points because of angels and demons (who wasn't trolling) needs to go kill themselves right now. Read a real fucking book i think the people who built this had a bit more scientific training than a novelist. second, why the fuck does it have to be so goddamn big?. protons are subatomic; you couldn't build something to run them together in a warehouse??? coil it if it needs to get hotter jesus at least then if it fails it wont hurt anything but you idiots fucking with it.
3. you people claiming blasphemy, this isn't natural, it fucking is or we wouldn't be able to pull it off. it happens naturally were only inducing it shut the fuck up and return to pretending to believe in the bible.
Seriously there's not a redeemable side here except for the trolls. Yeah, they're assholes, but ffs they make more sense than you people thinking Dan Brown's books for 5th graders give you scientific right to assume whatever you want or you people trying to justify building a black hole to further technology. Stop trying to make life easier. It will never get easier by you making things that make people lazy. Work on medicine. WHY IS ALL THIS MONEY GOING TO THIS BULLSHIT WHEN OUR NATIONS IN DEBT AND NO ONE HAS MADE A TRUE MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGH SINCE THE CURE OF POLIO! Fucking morons.
If we all die from this, we deserve it.
Human kind has been a plague on the earth since we got here, sucking up resources and burning what wasn't useful to us. we are parasites and the children are only growing up worse.
in conclusion, Fuck you all and suck my 40 trillion dollar dick

Posted by: Hadron Collider | Sep 10, 2008 12:13:15 PM

Alright.
To be honest I am a little worried about this experiment. The Big Bang theory was just that..a theory. Is there any need to prove this by creating a very dangerous machine, and then jacking up the intensity to full?
Do we really want to create another solar system on the earth? I mean...come on!

Posted by: Dave | Sep 10, 2008 12:13:19 PM

I remember hearing people say that a nuclear explosion inside the earth's atmosphere would burn away all the oxygen. No, really there were scientists that believed it! Then there was the year 2000 computer doomsday that would shut down civilization, power grids would fail and chaos would reign. My best guess is that Winston Churchill was right, all we have to fear is fear itself. It is easy to be afraid of what we don't understand. I am reminded of the witch hunts in the US where innocents were burned at the stake. Throughout our history has been a sad story of people panicking because they were afraid, the unknown causes fear, that fear rules us until we conquer it. I urge anyone who truly thinks that this is a danger to read, learn and come to your own conclusion. The studies done on the safety of this research are published and easy to access. Find them, read them and come out of the dark of ignorance of the unknown. Come explore the universe and learn whatever truths are out there. And the truth shall set you free...

Posted by: Bill T | Sep 10, 2008 12:13:31 PM

Posted by: Dave | Sep 10, 2008 12:13:36 PM

Hello All, now don't be scared.. but I am from the future. I haven't got enough time to explain now , but the experiment goes horribly wrong and the earth ends up being invaded by massive 5 arsed space monkeys that travel through black holes.
Thankfully there is an way to save your planet, simply Paypal me all the biggest donation you can to the following account... ( blah, blah.)

Posted by: Neuterona Galaxia III | Sep 10, 2008 12:13:56 PM

Damnit I read it wrong and got all excited for nothing. I thought it was a "Large Hard-On Collider."

Posted by: Big Johnson | Sep 10, 2008 12:14:44 PM

for all you god crazy freaks out there THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD so stop trying to push ur stupid fuckin beliefs on us.. if we create a black hole then we will enjoy the last moments of our lifes look up to the stars and dream what is waitin for us in the vast and amzing universe ..when death comes i will welcome it with open arms..for the human race has outlived its purpose on this earth

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 12:15:30 PM

@IS THERE A GOD
Order does not come out of chaos.Nothing forms without some intelligent design. So I suppose it is now up to the scientist to prove their is only random creation.If not then how did intelligence inter into the equation?

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:16:01 PM

It's worth noting though that everything is theory until proven. This is a science site right? Conclusions can only be drawn from observations. Without observations there can be no fact. Without the facts where does that put you? In the corner with the religious zealots.

Posted by: farmergiles | Sep 10, 2008 12:16:28 PM

y'all play too many video games and watch too much T.V.
Don't think you know everything just because you saw it happen on HALO.
Yes, it might be dangerous.
Yes, it might be safe.
If we're all alive at the end (kinda like Y2K), then it won't matter, will it?
If we're all dead at the end, who really cares? I'm pretty sure that with an "explosion" of this magnitude, no one will have the opportunity to bitch about it, and no one will feel sorry for you. It won't really matter.

Personally, I'm excited.

Someone will post after this with, "whatll happene if its sucesful? theyll try too maike somethin bigerr. and THEN WEll all die."

So?
They obviously knew what they did this time.

I'd like to congratulate all of the individuals that partook i this project, and I lament at the fact that their twenty-something-and-more years of hard work came down to 100 people arguing over a forum, and 1 guy/girl talking about a penis.

Really?

Did you know that T.V.s can be ued as explosive weapons? They have a vaccum tube in them, which removes all of the air, to allow the movement of the particles which allow the display on screen. when this was developed, nobody knew any better, but if it was on of these yahoos, they would have explained in great detail how the development of the vaccum tubes paired with two cosmic strings passing eachother in opposite directions, both traveling the speed of light, would have caused the big blow.

I'm not quite as knowledgable as some of the individuals who posted on ths site, and I'm damn sure not as knowledgable as the dedicated scientist who have worked hard over the yars to develop such a wonder, but I know a bitch session when I see one.

But before I rant,

I'd like to thank those hard workers and specialists who had any part, scientific or otherwise, in this endeavor, and I hope that many answers come from the challenges you overcame.

Posted by: really | Sep 10, 2008 12:17:10 PM

all the best if its gonna make lives better! cheers.

Posted by: Mc square | Sep 10, 2008 12:17:20 PM

Religion is a bunch of crap and if this thing causes a black hole I hope it takes just the morons out of here and oh, I almost forgot, George doubleyu Bush. Wait he is a moron and a JACK ASS, so I guess he would go to.

Posted by: strizzy | Sep 10, 2008 12:17:59 PM

U WASTE PEOPLE..
HOW CAN THIS BE "EXCITING" "AWSOME" "GREAT"
ITS BULLSHITTT BLUDD!
IF SOMETINK GOES WRONG AND WE ALL DIE.. WHO WOULD U BLAME YOU BASTARDS (NOT ALL OF YOU)?
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT....
KMTTT!
SCIENCE IS GOIN MAD NOWADAYS
OH SHIT!

Posted by: DONT WORRY | Sep 10, 2008 12:18:02 PM

Yes, a spelling error...OMG..
I corrected it..

@IS THERE A GOD
Order does not come out of chaos.Nothing forms without some intelligent design. So I suppose it is now up to the scientist to prove THERE is only random creation.If not then how did intelligence inter into the equation?

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:18:54 PM

i dont really know what to say. i believe in god, and i'm a christian. so i believe that god created the big bang. i mean, how do some people think we got here? even the ones that think we evolved from apes. how do they think the apes got here? its their problem if they dont believe in god, and i just think that they can do whatever they want because im not changing my beliefs.

Posted by: a 12 year old (no kidding) | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:10 PM

Well, what CERN is doing is for the good of mankind.We humans need to know, to learn and use all the knowledge we attain to improve, protect and prolong human life, ultimately they will be able to predict the end and prevent it's happening. So please do not mix religion and science and believe in some false rumors.

Posted by: e.f | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:10 PM

for god's sake, people. There's a one in 50 million chance that anything could go wrong. remember the hydrogen bomb? there was a scare about that too because nobody had proved that the atoms would ever stop hitting each other. Yes, the whole world could have ended - BUT IT DIDN'T. They know what they're doing. They had to get permission to make this. I'm sure they proved that the chance of anything happening was extremely small.

Yes, they don't know EXACTLY what will happen. But there's a tiny chance of anything going wrong. When you cross the street, there's a much larger chance of you being hit by a car and dying, but you don't refuse to cross streets ever.

CERN invented the internet. They've made a huge number of important scientific discoveries over the year - they don't want anything to go wrong either. They'll die as well as you. So relax. There's a tiny, tiny chance of anything terrible happening. Instead, go and watch for bombs in your backyard - it's probably a similar likeliness.

Posted by: lily | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:19 PM

What happens if a bird flies in this thing. KFC anybody?

Posted by: samsonknight | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:20 PM

trolls, trolls, and more trolls. Happy days.

@Dan: Thanks for taking the quote from CNN out of context. LOL...
I'm done here.

Posted by: balance | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:27 PM

God is what you might call the constant in the universe, never changing, all knowing, never begining, never ending. If God had a begining he would have an end like you and me. God wasn't created.

Posted by: Strace | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:45 PM

Hi Celene. Intelligence comes about through evolution. An amoeba isn't intelligent. It has a basic function and one function alone. It's over a billion years it actually gains enough mental capability to be self aware and to be recognised as a conventional creature. This can't be a proven fact as nobody can test it, so it remains a theory. Nonetheless it is a more credible theory than religion has ever put forward.

Posted by: IS THERE A GOD | Sep 10, 2008 12:19:53 PM

Your 'Supreme Being' A.K.A. God, is just invented by a guy called 'Jeseus' who has high charisma and a ambition to control the actions of others and make people worship him. We have no prove what so ever of this 'Supreme Being' yet you ignorant single minded people out there beleive in something we have no prove of, yet argues against science, which is something we do have solid prove of. Stop being single minded and get out of the old world created by a ambitious guy who wants total control and get in the world of science instead of going on anti-science campaigns. The old fantasy world is gone, face the brutal truth, what you beleive in is not true, advance with the world or you may as well just live in a box and keep your unreasonable comments to yourself.

Posted by: brian | Sep 10, 2008 12:20:15 PM

Wow, alot of u r off topic, im mean DAMN its a machine thats gonna kill us all in a few months/year, GET OVER YOUR SELFS!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWWWEEEEEERRRRRRRREEEEEEEE GONNA DIE U ASSHOLES!!!

Posted by: blue Michael | Sep 10, 2008 12:20:44 PM

It all within god's plan. live or die.

Posted by: godgod | Sep 10, 2008 12:20:56 PM

OMG wat kind scientist thought of recreating the big bang i mean how would be dum enought to risk the wole planet just to know how we came in to existance leave it to fate man it started how it did!!!! this is some crazy stuff but who ever came up with it ia a jerk =(

Posted by: jamaal | Sep 10, 2008 12:21:09 PM

[Quote]
FOR EVERYONE THAT LINKS GOD TO THIS SUBJECT:
Prove that god exists. Take a photo. Then we can involve him in this discussion. How can you believe in something if you have never seen it? You could say the same about dark matter. At least these guys are searching for the evidence to back up their claims!
[/Quote]

Proove to yourself that you think. Listen to yourself think. Take a picture of your thinking mind. Can you do that? Do you need a picture of your thinking mind to actually believe you are thinking?

Posted by: Dan | Sep 10, 2008 12:21:32 PM

@TW: "This is not new science it is simply on a larger scale and the chances of these fanciful catastrophic theories coming true is over a million to one."

SO IS WINNING THE LOTTERY!

Would you like to take a million in one chance of blowing up the world?

Just because it is more likely than not that nothing bad will happen doesn't mean that it CANT happen.

Posted by: TW is a dumbass | Sep 10, 2008 12:21:33 PM

Oh, and on a side note:
I don't mean to be picky, but there is no such thing as a PROVEN theory- it just simply hasn't been disproven yet.

Posted by: really | Sep 10, 2008 12:21:36 PM

this thing is really cool its gunna give us the next generation of ipod!!!

Posted by: carter | Sep 10, 2008 12:21:57 PM

It is literally a 17 mile 14 trillion volt and who knows how many billion dollars roll of the dice. I am ambivalent. It could fizzle into a big dud - in which case there will be a collective shrug of the shoulders on the part of some and on the part of others "if we had only used the alpha and not the beta decelerator..." I would rather see the funds invested in cancer research but given the choice between defense research and CERN I choose CERN (but I am afraid of that black hole potential...scary!)

Posted by: RD3 | Sep 10, 2008 12:22:23 PM

i love to fuck 9 yr olds and its ok for fuck animals ok...

Posted by: muhammad allah | Sep 10, 2008 12:23:31 PM

in a comment that someone just sent, they said "to predict the end and prevent it's happening" but i dont agree with that. when the end comes, there is no stopping it. its going to happen, whether we like it or not. like that saying: "all good things must end at some point" or something like that. even though some people might not think the world is good... :)

Posted by: a 12 year old | Sep 10, 2008 12:24:08 PM

we all gotta die sometime and judging from all these ridiculous comments I say fire it up, you motherfuckers need to be put out of your misery.

there is no god.

Posted by: endisnear | Sep 10, 2008 12:24:23 PM

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS.
Just like george doubleyu Bush.

Posted by: STRIZZY | Sep 10, 2008 12:25:08 PM

Hi Dan.
Actually, yes. It is possible to take a picture of your mind thinking. It's called a cat scan and can visualise the patterns of thought and neurons as they are triggered and fire in the brain. 30 years ago that would have been pie in the sky, but if it hadn't been for science this too would have been deemed 'black magic' or 'the work of the devil' or some other religions spin by those who are mis-informed.

Posted by: IS THERE A GOD | Sep 10, 2008 12:25:14 PM

After thinking about this what I would truly like is for everyone posting here to note their credentials. I mean lets find out what kind of "educated" people are posting here. What is your background and by the way please also note your research or source documents. That way we all know who to take seriously here.

Posted by: Bill T | Sep 10, 2008 12:25:33 PM

@lily.
Atomic energy has come with a huge human price. YES it has continued to kill and maim. NOT on as large a scale as first feared, but kill and maim, none the less, IT HAS.
So that argument is not good enough.

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:26:20 PM

Of course 911 was an inside job...

Don't most people know it was an inside job...

After going through the facts, the evidence and being aware of the countless professional witnesses...

We all know that 911 Commission was a whitewash - conflict of interest - private interest conflicted with public duty...

Yes, Marvin Bush was in charge of the security under a 2 year contract to provide security for the WTC buildings and the contract expired on September 11/2001.

CUI BONO? (Who was to benefit?)
CUI BONO?
CUI BONO?

George Walker Bush of course [+ his proxies/cronies that are all linked to David Rockefeller + NWO + JPMorganChase + Standard Oil + Exxon + Esso + Mobil + The (PRIVATE) Federal Reserve of New York + Bilderberg Group + Illuminati (Senior Freemasonry - 6 Million+ in the world of which ALL world leaders are members: Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain, Blair, Brown, Sarkozy, Berlusconi, Putin, etc) + CFR (Director is Dick Cheney - Chairman is David Rockefeller) + Trilateral Commission + Bohemian Club of NY + Bohemian Grove of California + 'shadow' government that controls US government!] - it gave GWB the opportunity to prosecute an endless 'war on terror'.

David ROCKEFELLER lives at 146 East 65 Street, New York, NY 10021

No investigation into this malarky as he craftily loaded the 911 commission with his many buddies.

So much for an independent investigation.

The matter is SCANDALOUS!!!
The matter is CRIMINAL!!!
The matter is TREASON!!!

All Scientists need to investigate thermite planted on the steel rods running through the building core and sub-basement explosions & understand how these buildings could just 'collapse' like a house of cards!

More independent Academic investigation is demanded!

Manson's Prosecuting Attorney is now after George Walker Bush ('43') for Murder [See YouTube]

Karl Rove leaves the country to avoid prison [See YouTube]

President Bush pardoned himself against potential War Crimes (Januuary 18, 2008)[See YouTube]

A Realistic Perspective on Why Bush Wants to Attack Iran (September 6, 2008)[See YouTube]

None of this evidence is on the main stream media!

GWB is going to declare a state of emergency + declare martial law + acquire powers as military Commander in Chief - the Dictator [precisely like Adolf Hitler] Hitler set fire to the German Parliament [Reichstag]in 1933 - will not GWB use the very same stunt!!!

FEMA camps + RealID [RFID] - suspension of the US Constitution on the basis of a nuclear strike on US sovereign territory before January 2009! [Another 'Inside Job!' (Look up the secret executive plan: 'Operation Northwoods') in order to get all US citizens on side in order to acquire mid east oil - Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, next Iran!]

Kindly research the facts - the evidence [speaks for itself]!!!

Posted by: Dwane | Sep 10, 2008 12:27:10 PM

whats the point? How does this thing help anybody?

Posted by: Liquid | Sep 10, 2008 12:27:34 PM

uh, brian, i think u should learn how to spell Jesus before you go around telling people that Christianity is a big joke. because i have some news for you. its not! actually try to learn about something before you start telling people theyre wrong. jeez!

Posted by: a 12 year old | Sep 10, 2008 12:27:41 PM

The bird dies.
some days you are the bug. Some days you are the windsheild.

Posted by: really | Sep 10, 2008 12:28:03 PM

IIIIT's THE EEEEND OF THE WOORLD AS WE KNOW IT!

Posted by: Jspaffy | Sep 10, 2008 12:29:20 PM

To vaibhav.
I was scrolling down at a lot of odd coments and then i saw yours which until that point it was the only one which made a valid reason about why they shouldn't go ahead with the experiment. All the dumb people out there who can think that a 'mini black hole' can suck us into another dimension are thick and shouldn't even post on this site. The black holes that will be created will be part of a mini universe and if you compare the mini universe to our universe you don't see us being destroyed by bigger black holes in our universe.

The only worries that emerge are if they inadvertedly create a full scale universe which would obliterate our galaxy in less than a second through the immense amount of energy created at that moment. Or like what vaibhav said about anti-matter and matter coming together which even in very small amounts would be enough to devastate large areas of the planet.

Posted by: TJ | Sep 10, 2008 12:30:01 PM

I must indeed agree with really's comments on this matter. The simple fact is that scientists have dedicated their lives to see the completion of this project. At long last they have succeeded. My only hope is that they will receive far more lavish praise than my mere congratulations!

Posted by: Jeff | Sep 10, 2008 12:30:05 PM

ok, just to get the point out. who found medicines, the scientists did. who found new way to forge atoms together, oh let me see the scientists did. so then why is it these catholics have to try and take credit for making everything with this god character, hey isnt he just a myth?

Posted by: Jonathon J.A.E. Carroll | Sep 10, 2008 12:30:42 PM

I find the juxtaposition of efforts made by the smartest people on earth with comments made by the dumbest people on earth surreal in the extreme. Just goes to show that 99.99% of all people are complete idiots, and 0.01% of people make all the progress achieved in human history.

The LHC is a fantastic achievement that will lead the way to tremendous technological advances in the future, which might include anti-gravity generators, interstellar space travel and harnessing of more energy than we could ever use. In other words, technologies that will transform human society in ways that are more significant than the invention of air travel was over the past 100 years.

Get a grip folks. Most people don't understand why scientists do what they do until they see the tangible benefits decades later. Your ignorance and misguided fears are nothing new.

Posted by: Mr. DNA | Sep 10, 2008 12:30:47 PM

I'm excited to see the data from this project.I wonder if it possible to see further back in time than the Hubble. Past our periodic table to the beginning. The beginnings formation of matter as we know it. The point of singularity of all substance in our know universe.

I can't wait!

Posted by: Aaron | Sep 10, 2008 12:31:00 PM

Since humankind first evolved it has sought to understand its environment. What the hell is our purpose if not to continue to do this. The ignorance on display here is staggering: from luddites who would destroy what science has achieved, to religious types who can only address scientific problems with bigger supernatural ones. Then there are the pseudo-scientists who confuse the issue with their small amount of largely misunderstood knowledge. Lastly there are the morons and the plainly barking mad, bless them. Have some damn respect people. Brilliant minds are being brought to bear on mind-blowing concepts. So cheers to the LHC team and scientists in all areas of research. Humankind needs you.

Posted by: Shack | Sep 10, 2008 12:31:01 PM

IIIIT's THE EEEEND OF THE WOORLD AS WE KNOW IT!

Posted by: Jspaffy | Sep 10, 2008 12:31:37 PM

So who is funding this? Is our tax dollars...or someone else's going towards this? Did we ever have a choice? Is this going to do something like "amazing"? Like cure cancer...or make humans be able to live forever?

If I remember right, if something goes wrong with this machine...it can become a "black hole"? - Swallowing our world into oblivion...

Be careful, science...

Posted by: Cole | Sep 10, 2008 12:31:47 PM

when stars implode they make black holes- way more energy than this. Ok its strong but mini black hole ennit. oh well im dumb but least i hope ill go to heven i hope LONG LIVE SPECIALNESS fools

Posted by: im special | Sep 10, 2008 12:32:20 PM

Hi. Been reading, and there are a few things I wanna cover.

First off, to those who would fear the particle accelerator destroying the Earth, they probably wouldn't have done this if they thought there was a terribly great risk of that.

Second, to the guy who cited the Hawking Radiation theory as "A THEORY!!!", clearly you don't understand the meaning of the word "theory". It's a theory only because we have no practical way to test it. Based on all the data we DO have, and the reasonable inferences we can make off of them, there's no reason it shouldn't work. For all intents and purposes it already does...we just can't physically TEST said theory...yet.

As for the one who said that the Big Bang was supposed to have created the universe out of nothing, small correction here. The Big Bang theory states that all matter in the universe was originally contained at one single, super-dense point, which suddenly began expanding outward. This explosive expansion sent all known matter and energy flying outward to form what we now know as "the universe". It wasn't made from nothing. Nothing gets you nothing.

As for the citation of "God" as being a realistic explanation for anything...ever...now you're being ridiculous. This is the new millennium, people. God doesn't exist, and we know it. Stop talking to your giant, imaginary friend and grow up.

As for those who continue to offer half-baked apocalyptic prophecies based on texts and calendars...seriously, get a life. There have been prophets of the apocalypse for thousands of years, now. None of them have ever been right. The world will NOT end until our sun goes nova and consumes us. Stop waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Also, you say people haven't evolved in the last 5000 years? Not true. Marked evolution never occurs in any kind of singularly perceptible time frame. It's the little things which accumulate over LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG stretches of time which are evolution. 5000 years is barely enough to see even the smallest traces of evolution, but we have, in fact, seen them. On the whole, people are taller, now. They have less body hair. We're less stocky than we used to be, tending more and more toward a slender body style. human strength has begun to reduce, in favor of increased mental capacity. The things we no longer need are ever-so-slowly being biologically engineered out of our basic structure. Evolution IS HAPPENING...right now.

As for the collider itself, though I am impressed by it, I fail to understand what exactly it is intended to prove? Mostly I think that if this collider succeeds, humanity, in its infinite stupidity, will find a way to turn it into a weapon.

A weapon potentially more dangerous than all the nuclear warheads in the world.

I shudder to imagine such a thing...

Posted by: Justin | Sep 10, 2008 12:33:12 PM

Just incase if this, end of the world theory does come true... Adios Amigos.

Its been great reading all the comments.HAHAHa..

What ever happens.. I think it a good reason to start living it up, and really have a good time...

Chhers Amigos!

Posted by: Mc Square | Sep 10, 2008 12:33:12 PM

damn my birthday is oct 21 thats when the world is gonna end when they split the atom

Posted by: johnny d | Sep 10, 2008 12:33:24 PM

Look, if you don't know anything about science then why are you reading this? Also, imaginary-god-lovers, go read your bible or whatever else it is that the likes of you read. Don't mess with things your pea sized brain can't comprehend. This is for mature readers only.

Posted by: god | Sep 10, 2008 12:33:50 PM

Hi. Been reading, and there are a few things I wanna cover.

First off, to those who would fear the particle accelerator destroying the Earth, they probably wouldn't have done this if they thought there was a terribly great risk of that.

A weapon potentially more dangerous than all the nuclear warheads in the world.

I shudder to imagine such a thing...

Posted by: Justin | Sep 10, 2008 12:33:59 PM

@IS THERE A GOD.
Can't buy the concept of evolution.
What I do believe is that there is more evidence of a creator. A intelligence behind creation..
Instead of prove to me there is, It would take proof that there isn't.
I realize that is not a sophisticated way to think as science comes up with more and more answers..But until they prove their isn't I will say there is.
As each thing they come up with only keeps pointing directly toward design and not some random happening.

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:34:55 PM

god created the universe... HAH!
gods a vengeful and spiteful bastard if he did so. if there was nothing, there was harmony. now theres only pain and suffering :D some god ;)

Posted by: washer | Sep 10, 2008 12:36:14 PM

I sincerely admire the intelligence and hard work it took to accomplish this. I believe it shows the "light" that can be given to man from God, due to dedicated, diligent study. On the other hand, just for a moment I have to ask myself... Is it possible that the Tens of billions of dollars that were earmarked for this, could have been spent on something more "earth-bound"? (Hunger, Natural Disasters, etc)

Posted by: Jeff G | Sep 10, 2008 12:36:44 PM

P.S.

Why did my post get posted twice?

I didn't tell it to do that...

Posted by: Justin | Sep 10, 2008 12:37:34 PM

If they do end up blowing up the world, can I have tomorrow off?

Posted by: ClockN | Sep 10, 2008 12:37:40 PM

Wow. This sounds so awesome- it could really improve life on Earth.

I just hope it doesn't blow up.

Ha,ha. But it probably won't. Scientists know their stuff. It's not like they're lazy. I'm sure they've checked and rechecked this. It will surely be a huge success.

By the way, it would be nice if everyone could stop swearing and using other inappropriate words. Kids read this too, you know.

Posted by: Emily | Sep 10, 2008 12:37:41 PM

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Posted by: cameron | Sep 10, 2008 12:38:21 PM

So you're all trying to be either very clever or to some of those who just don't understand anything, very dumb.

What you all need to understand is this, if this thing really works we could be on the brink of something great.

We could be discovering what many refer to as God, Alha, Buddha, Krishna etc etc etc

If this is really how life began then what makes you think we're not all on the brink of meeting them? For example if this really does create a 'black hole' and swallows up the earth then where do you think we'll end up? Surely not dead? A black hole or dark mass or black matter or antimatter doesn't necessarily mean we mall die, the end. It might just be the beginning of a whole new dimension and you know what that means, no more global warming, no more ozone issues, no more credit crunch problems, no more population explosions. A new dimension could be like a fresh start to it all.

Just think of the opportunities!!!!

Posted by: GodisScience | Sep 10, 2008 12:38:35 PM

Lets hope whatever advancement that comes out of this is designed with good intent

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 12:38:53 PM

There is an alarming amount of people who obviously didn't take science in school. Or maybe they simply didn't go to school at all. Wow, what a display of stupidity!

Posted by: I am the true god, yup! | Sep 10, 2008 12:39:24 PM

I don't think that theres anything to worrie about i mean think of it this way they would't start it if thy didn't no what they were doing and if by chance that this does bring about worlds end big deal we didn't have much time left anyway we brought upon our own doom skate or die mother fuckers

Posted by: skemo | Sep 10, 2008 12:39:52 PM

Actually, I wish to make a correction to my earlier post.

Christianity is obviously real to many people who have little or nothing else to hold onto in their lives. They may feel that to 'be good' or considerate is the wish of god. Why is this? I suspect it's that essentially, if they look deep enough, they are not good people and want something back at the end of it all. Sorry, but what happened in being considerate and mannered just because you can?

I am sure christianity is real to many, just as Islam is real to many and I am sure some people still believe that they were taken by aliens in the night and probed.

I really couldn't care what anybody thinks as since when has any one person's view made a difference.

What strikes home is that when a group of people can't make a difference, then the ideals that group of people stand for is obviously negated.

How many people are there in the world who believe in religion? Have they really made a difference. Do you turn on the tv in the morning and hear the news reader speaking about God's latest book. Where's the 20 commandments then? Why was there never a followup?

If die hard can do a sequel then why can't god :-) Surely he's got the readily available funds!!

Unfortunately everything needs justification these days. If nobody is interested in looking at the facts then how can there be any real justification of any subject?

If this discussion strays any further it will be amusing. I am glad it's gone off topic as for many of the people involved in this discussion, they are unaware of the facts.

Get the research, the background, the theory of the hadron collider and then make an informed decision.

Question everything - never just accept something blindly. That is how we can keep moving forward as a species. We had better figure something out in any case as when the sun implodes and takes this galaxy out in the process, we'd better be far gone if we want to survive as a race.

Posted by: IS THERE A GOD | Sep 10, 2008 12:40:00 PM

I LIKE CHEESE!

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 12:41:39 PM

"big daddy" what are you doing in this page... got lost from thesource.com?? or bet.com??

someone earlier in the post said "what if it got in the wrong hands" and "would anyone risk the world to advance science?" the answer is George bush and America... its been done before.. Bush risked the lives of thousands in the 9/11 bombings which has been proven that the US knew before it happened... and now Bush is getting thousands of soldiers killed in Iraq... for OIL that the US depends on... so what I'm trying to say is, is this LHC was made I'm glad it wasn't in the US but it doesn't mean its a good thing.. Thats whats different about us humans, we are interested and seek our own destruction because it is fascinating just to know that we can somehow re-create what created us in first place...

FYI I'm an American and I love my country it doesn't mean that I have to love my government.... we call it free speech... which everyone should have in the world

Posted by: name | Sep 10, 2008 12:42:02 PM

no way! this is crazy i dont wanna die you guys are crazy like come on i havnt even landed a 3 flip in my life i dont wanna die!!!!!!!

Posted by: jimmy123 | Sep 10, 2008 12:43:06 PM

It is not our responsibilty to make sonmeone who doesn't believe in GOD to believe in GOD. People who will not do their own homework will never understand anything.
Look at it this way, all of us who do believe in GOD, if this detroys the World, which I do not believe it will, it will just get us to heaven that much sooner.
I see it as a Win/Win situation.

Posted by: Sam | Sep 10, 2008 12:43:44 PM

Experiments at Fermi have resulted in faster computers through a better understanding of particle movement through different materials. The fact that you and I are collaborating in this manner can be, in part, attributed to all the particle physics efforts and tests done previously. This research proposed by the LHC team can only further our understanding and potentially change how we approach everything at the atomic level.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 10, 2008 12:44:38 PM

All of those who say the world could end have literally no knowledge of the subject. A black hole probably won't be created, and if it was it simply wouldn't have enough gravitational pull to do anything. Also, chances are it would disappear only a few moments after it was created.

The fact is the only potential major disaster worth worrying about is nuclear war.

Posted by: Neil Y | Sep 10, 2008 12:45:06 PM

the world has ended

Posted by: f'k_scientists | Sep 10, 2008 12:45:27 PM

"whats the point? How does this thing help anybody?"
To liquid,

Achievement has no road map. The X-ray's pretty good. So is penicillin. Neither were discovered with a practical objective in mind. I mean, when the electron was discovered in 1897, it was useless. And now, we have an entire world run by electronics. Haydn and Mozart never studied the classics. They couldn't. They invented them.

Posted by: Matt | Sep 10, 2008 12:45:45 PM

Did you all know that there was a earth quake in the Gulf when this testing ws going on..??
Here is the news...

"TEHRAN, Iran — A strong earthquake rocked southern Iran today, killing four people and sending tremors across the Persian Gulf to the skyscrapers of Dubai.

The country's seismological center said the magnitude 6 quake struck at 3:30 p.m. local time, with the epicenter about 850 miles south of the capital Tehran in the province of Hormozgan.

The region's main city, Bandar Abbas, is one of Iran's key ports and home to a large oil refinery that primarily serves the domestic market. People in the port city, reached by telephone, said panicked residents ran into parks when the tremors started.

The quake, which an official at the seismological center said was followed by 10 aftershocks, knocked out power and caused minor damage on the Gulf island of Qeshm. State television reported four people were killed and 26 injured.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimated the initial quake's strength at magnitude 6.1."

Posted by: Zoro | Sep 10, 2008 12:46:14 PM

Even if it did create a black hole we wouldnt all die.

It would evaporate almost instantly!

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Sep 10, 2008 12:46:16 PM

What is it with all of the god people posting here and pointing at the the gaping holes in our reality... we don't go over to their religious forums to lecture them on evolution. Keep out! jeez.. :-p

Posted by: romantercero | Sep 10, 2008 12:46:16 PM

@Celena
Give us one example where science has pointed to a "design" in evolution... Its proven that evolution happened/ is happening. Take conjoined twins for example, their mere existence is an unabashed slap in the face to intelligent design.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 10, 2008 12:47:23 PM

Why do Christians comment on scientific posts???

"GOD created the universe! duh!"

Yea. I see you're going really far to prove your claim, make it make sense to the world. Perhaps the ever-unexplained 'god' just isn't a good enough copout for the rest of us to believe. I may not agree with what they're tampering with, but at least they're trying something besides reading an old book.

Posted by: | Sep 10, 2008 12:47:31 PM

If God didn't create the universe, the universe had to create itself, or it was always here, both of these other ideas are impossible. First of all dead matter has no itelligence. Second, if the universe was always there all the kinectic energy in the universe would have been given off leaving all of matter at a temperature of absolute zero. By process of elimination, God is the only way to prove our existance. And if you still believe there's no God why do you care what others type. Your life is hopeless anyway. Unless you give in and seek the evidence like I have.

Posted by: Stace | Sep 10, 2008 12:48:30 PM

Is anybody else nervous about the fact that Gordon Freemen is one of the lead scientists on this project . . . ?

Posted by: Julius | Sep 10, 2008 12:48:39 PM

one more thing there is a chance of time travel if they use that machine right i mean spliting particals at intense speeds you would be able to send your self through time thats really fucking tight and most of you are real idiots like wholly fuck what are you talking about don't be scared or call these scintect stupid like thats fucking smart you should all look up to them life is about make advances and learning more the only thing that worries me is that i dont' believe in god or anything i like the way of science but if this proves the big bang theroy then wouldn't there be some kind of war all those religons finding out the truth now thats scary

Posted by: skemo | Sep 10, 2008 12:48:50 PM

to awareness - there ist going to be a blakhole because thats not their testing ... AND its not moving at the speed of light its a bit under the speed of light

Posted by: oven | Sep 10, 2008 12:49:08 PM

Wow! I hope we don't all die. I'm only 13. No one will be able to live any longer, either!

Posted by: Theresa | Sep 10, 2008 12:49:14 PM

If they can find dark matter and what 'mass' really is, then we are on the verge of anti-gravity. That really would be something. Want to move your house? - If we had an understanding of matter, you literally could carry it around as if it was as light as a feather. Ever wanted to fly? Just reduce gravity in your own personal field and see how far you can jump! Not only would this be supremely cool, but it would better mankind in many ways. Got people buried under earth in a landslide or earthquake, just float it away... So yeah, the research - the hard graft, is worth doing.

Posted by: wasting my hate | Sep 10, 2008 12:51:03 PM

@IS THERE A GOD
The subject of creator is not off topic.
This experiment is another scientists have come up with to answer the age old question.."how did this all come about"?
For some the answer is simple, a creator.For others it is evolution.
So off topic?? No.

Posted by: celene | Sep 10, 2008 12:51:07 PM

i don't know what the fuss is all about. you don't need a multi-billion dollar collidor to find out the secrets of the universe. i already know the answer to life, the universe, and everything...it's 42!

Posted by: deep thought | Sep 10, 2008 12:51:38 PM

Where do you think the money came from to fund the large hadron collider??? [EU funding].

He who controls the cartel of banks controls the entire 'game'.

And yes, it is a game!!!
But the victims are YOU & ME!!!

Check out Dr Bill Schnoebelen + Freemasonry + History of Freemasonry by Juri Lina [Check out the Internet!]

Freemasonry is used as a system to undermine legal cases by District Judges (DJs) + Circuit Judges (their superiors) in the UK [particularly in west London + City of London].

Freemasons swear an oath in PRIVATE in order to protect their brethren who assert they are purportedly in 'distress' which conflicts with their sworn duty in PUBLIC to act in the interests of justice!

All litigants or potential litigants appearing before all courts at the lower tier of the hierarchy in the UK need to be well aware of this axiom!

Do not scoff or be haughty - just do your research!

Courts in the UK are not impartial for this very reason [i.e. the scourge of Freemasonry][Grand Master = HRH Duke of Kent + HRH Prince Philip (Consort of HM Queen is a senior Freemason)].

Similarly, many of the judges from the UK also serve at the ECJ (European Court of Justice in Luxemburg) + ECHR (European Court of Human Rights in Strasburg)!

[Unaccountable European Parliament is infected/infested with Freemasons!]

Now you might begin to understand why there are so many perverse judgments in UK law!

It is perhaps the greatest SCANDAL in the UK today.

Law is like the RITZ hotel - if you can afford to stay in it - only then might you have some semblance of justice.

Justice - what is that?
Justice in civil law is not assured in the courts of the UK - due to the prevalence of Freemasonry!

Freemasonry is the rot that has destroyed justice in UK courts!

The Library at the Royal Courts of Justice (RCJ) in the Strand has even been withdrawn!

Legal Aid has been withdrawn in most cases.

Most litigants-in-person (LIPs) in the UK are now NOT supported by any kind of legally trained independent person!

LAW IN THE UK STINKS!!!
AS THE UK SINKS!!!

Posted by: martin | Sep 10, 2008 12:52:40 PM

Hey, Sam...

So you're saying that people who study into it believe in God? Nonsense. I've been studying the Bible and various scientific works for nearly my entire reading life, and, if anything, "doing my homework" has completely destroyed the possibility of a "God" for me. I think that anyone who looks at the situation LOGICALLY...particularly anyone who knows the history of the Roman Empire around 27 B.C. to 32 A.D....couldn't POSSIBLY believe in the Bible or the Christian God. No evidence whatsoever exists to support a single non-historic (see: anything not referenced by other historic works) event in the Bible. Oh well, I guess we'll never know until we die.

Posted by: Justin | Sep 10, 2008 12:53:17 PM

If God (anyone flavour) exists, then we're all ok right?

But if we're ok and God doesn't exist, would we be any wiser?

No, we'd have to prove it and that's what 10000 scientists and Billions of $'s are trying to prove.

Then again this might have been money better spent on wiping out poverty in Africa.!!!!!

Posted by: GodisScience | Sep 10, 2008 12:54:37 PM

Holy cow. balance is just about the only sane person to post here. The rest of you are either religious fanatics, atheism fanatics, and/or fools who believe anything you see on TV. The world is not going to end, but saying it might sells movies and gets people to watch news anchors, so Hollywood will focus on the off chance. In fact, the odds are better that everyone in the world will die in car accidents on the same day, thus ending all humanity. Should we ban cars to preserve our race? Come on.

There is no conflict between God and science, other than the conflict that you imagine. If you still feel compelled to take a side, don't make yourself look stupid.

Believing in God doesn't mean that you have to freak out about the latest in a long line of particle accelerators. If you believe in God, that should be a cause for comfort, not paranoia. Enough with the playing God crap too. This isn't human cloning, my goodness. They're just smashing protons together. Think of it as sophisticated fireworks.

If you trust science, take comfort in the fact that 10,000 of the brightest minds to have ever lived already feel this is plenty safe. It is not likely that you and your news anchor are smarter than all of them.

To all who asked, "what do they hope to accomplish?" Try reading the article you are posting in. It is likely that this will open a new realm of physics (beyond quantum physics.) With Quantum physics information can be teleported through space, perhaps even time. Who knows what a new level of physics will allow?

Posted by: I Believe You Hollywood | Sep 10, 2008 12:55:16 PM

that anti grav shit man thats already been done think about it it has been here dating back to the eyptions yah no how else do you think the built the pyrimids so perfect and we can't make it today with all of the things we have there was some one to this day i can't remember were i read it but someone found out how to do it it a big stone caslte built witht the same blocks used on the pyrimids its the same deal

Posted by: skemo | Sep 10, 2008 12:56:14 PM

How come two scientests have control over the whole worlds lives?

Posted by: Bobby | Sep 10, 2008 12:56:54 PM

ALL YOUR EGG SANDWICHES ON WHEAT ARE BELONG TO ME

Posted by: Takashi | Sep 10, 2008 12:57:43 PM

this sounds like something out of a science fiction novel - (Angels & Demon talked about this)...

Hope it does what it is meant to do (which I am still really unsure of) and hope that those billions of dollars went to a good cause!

Lets the smashing begin!

Posted by: confused | Sep 10, 2008 12:57:54 PM

wow neh martin? and deep thought its deep throat for you...

Posted by: neh | Sep 10, 2008 12:58:00 PM

This is a predictable situation. The laws of engineering apply. When they finally have a collision the 17 miles of material will be destroyed by the collision. There is a fail safe switch but it will burn up by the collision. Hence, you will have 4 billion dollars worth of junk parts.
I would love to see them learn something but the only data they will gain is that the big bang was more of an catacalysmic explosion and there was no bang to be heard

Posted by: Proof | Sep 10, 2008 12:58:15 PM

I really emphasize people who are afraid of this project; the fear of the unknown strikes again! Lighten Up! .. and Yes the world will end, as we know it! Science is a wonderful thing that seeks to explain the fear that drives these blogs. Based on the speed of incoming knowledge in the past 200 years from the day sapiens stood up, I really believe the world as we know is going to end. It will end the same way it ended when Columbus found the New World. It will end the same way it did when Armstrongs’ boots hit the moon. Now it will end by breaking the speed of light.

Posted by: jane | Sep 10, 2008 12:58:50 PM

Hi Celene. I guess so. Ok, fair enough. The bottom line is everyone believes in what they want in any case. Justification or not. This is only a problem when it affects others. By rights, if a scientific group causes many deaths then it's just as bad as a religious group doing the same thing. (What I am trying to say is that they should both be tarred with the same brush). If the folks at CENE cause a meltdown then it's ok because it brings us closer to the inevitable outcome whatever that may be. Research and an enquiring human mind is something that should never be oppressed. It should be encouraged, and if anyone has children they will know exactly what I mean.

Posted by: IS THERE A GOD | Sep 10, 2008 12:59:46 PM

In the beginning God created light : was that the Big Bang ?

Posted by: Phil | Sep 10, 2008 12:59:46 PM

Wow...ive seen some amazing posts...
but this is by far the most amazing. People posting not even talking about the subject.. clearly no thought put into this.

In any case, the only truth is, that we do not know if it will destroy the earth. We're not sure that it wont destroy the earth either. The scientists at work put a lot of effort into this project and should be commended for a good job. Whether or not it proves or disproves anything is not really that important. If it does, great. If not, bummer. The real argument that everyone here seems to be having is whether this LHC is going to kill us or not, so ive come up with a more simple resolve for everyone concerning this matter. Since we dont know one way or the other, it is safe to assume we have a 50-50 shot of one or the other happening. So.. Lets flip a coin. Heads we live, tails we die. *flips a coin* Tails. Well thats a real bummer now isnt it? Enjoy your last days if you will.

Posted by: Just another day | Sep 10, 2008 1:00:26 PM

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