August 29, 2008 10:53 PM PDT

How to get thrown into a Chinese prison

q&a James Powderly didn't trek from New York City to Beijing during the 2008 Olympics to watch table tennis. The artist was plotting to laser-beam a billboard-size, pro-Tibet message at the Bird's Nest Stadium. Instead, he spent six days locked up and interrogated by Chinese police under conditions he likens to torture. He was joined by other American would-be protestors sentenced to prison without being charged of a crime, then released early following U.S. pressure.

The Graffiti Research Lab co-founder and former engineer has helped pioneer open source, digital graffiti techniques, like L.A.S.E.R. tag projections of words and icons onto public walls, as well as LED bulb "throwies" that stick to surfaces to spell out messages in light.

Originally Powderly was invited to participate in a show at the National Art Museum of China, until he says organizers, fearing political controversy, kicked him out. Instead, he collaborated with Students for a Free Tibet (SFT).

Powderly says his high-tech gear--including a cell phone, green laser, laser printer, laptop, camera, tripods--may have tipped off Chinese authorities. And he suspects that if Twitter stops working in China, you might blame him and his collaborators.

Some protestors were deported from China after successfully launching this street protest using a message made of LED "throwies," lights that stick to surfaces.

Some protestors were deported from China after this street protest outside the Olympic stadium. The message is made of LED "throwies," lights that stick to surfaces.

(Credit: Students for a Free Tibet)

Q: The last time we were in touch, you'd mentioned the upcoming Green (Chinese) Lantern project, which you didn't detail for obvious reasons. What happened? How did Chinese authorities find out what you were planning to do?
Powderly: When I entered the country on the 15th of August I had a cell phone that might have already been compromised. It had already been used by protesters in the country...We don't know. They weren't telling.

It's safe to say I'm much more like Dr. Strangelove than like James Bond. I stick out like a sore thumb in Beijing. I'm about a foot taller than everybody. I'm wearing a fedora, camos, and sleeveless vest...

These people were still kind of bumbling but resourced and numerically outnumbered adversaries, in terms of the Chinese secret police. There are just so many of them and they're working with so much citizen support, meaning there are 300,000 people in the city just looking constantly and reporting, from taxi drivers to people on the street, undercover cops, policemen in uniforms, soldiers.

Whatever clued them into us, by the afternoon of the 18th I was being tailed by a woman. I spotted her, but I'm in a city of 20 million people. No way they're on me, I hadn't done anything. I was literally at the Wal-Mart superstore buying supplies..I doubted what I was seeing...

Powderly was among the would-be protesters detained in China without being charged of a crime.

Powderly was among the would-be protesters detained in China without being charged of a crime.

(Credit: James Powderly)

What happened next? When did you know for sure? How were you arrested?
Powderly: I spent the day of the 17th scouting locations, buying a new laser printer. I went to kind of a safe house to build this laser stencil thing...They'd snuck a new laser in to me and I'd snuck in LED throwies for the LED banner for another group of activists...

I went to Tiananmen Square to scout that location because we'd planned to do two projection events. If we got away with the first one at the Olympic stadium, then we were gonna do the second one in Tiananmen Square...We were gonna project "Free Tibet" or "Tibet will be free" or "6/4/1989."

What worked and what didn't go forward?
Powderly: None of them worked. We did nothing. We were arrested and detained in China...for doing nothing except for thinking about it.

On the 18th...I did my one and only laser projection that evening out the window on some torn-down buildings...way out in the outskirts of Beijing, literally the last stop of the "One" line...It worked better than any had before, and I'd come up with a new technique for making the stencils to do transparencies with a normal laser printer.

I'd printed out one test message, a little computer inside joke, just the words: "Free Beer." It's a quote from a renowned hacker (Richard Stallman) that refers to free software...

I projected that, took a few photos to show my collaborators, and walked to the subway station...Unfortunately, I realized that this woman was on me again...

Click on this image for a photo gallery of digital graffiti.

Click on this image for a photo gallery of digital and eco-friendly graffiti from Powderly and other activists and artist pranksters.

(Credit: Graffiti Research Lab)

We did the most foolish thing, which is all six of us on this mission were gonna meet at the bar. It was gonna be all eight of us, but one of my other collaborators was out scouting another location with two of the other witnesses, these citizen bloggers willing to document the act and get the footage out, and they noticed they were being tailed and without saying a word to anybody got on a train station, went to the airport and got out. It's the smart thing to do...

But I didn't do the smart thing...I waited until the subway doors closed and at the last minute, jumped through them. I watched this woman's face plastered to the window, waved to her, feeling smug with myself.

I went to this bar and the first thing I said was, "I've been made, they're tailing me. I've finished this laser, it's in the safe house, but they know who I am."

We sat down, planned what we were gonna do, filed out one by one...I saw the woman again. It was too late. There were 50 Beijing secret police, public security officers, some in uniform, some in plain clothes, some school dress, CCTV camera crew--ironically the name of their nationalized media outlet. We were arrested and picked up, thrown into the back of an SUV, but never charged with a crime...That's why it's called extrajudicial detention.

It also turns out..."V for Vendetta" style, everyone else who had walked out of the place was busted in their beds later that night, or taken in the cab they got into, or taken in the lobby of their hotels. They got all six of us. They later picked up four other protesters, two of whom were Americans, and detained them also...

They took us into the basement of this hotel...then they carried us in separate security details of five or so people, transported us to the basement of this restaurant where we went through these nice, fancy backrooms and they began a 24-hour plus interrogation.

How did you send a Twitter message?
Powderly: I've been given credit, but I didn't. Actually, it was Brian Conley from Alive in Baghdad...

While being detained, Powderly snapped this shot of a dozing interrogator.

While being detained, Powderly snapped this shot of a dozing interrogator.

(Credit: James Powderly)

They did some classic torture interrogation techniques. They said they would kill us, that we were gonna spend the rest of our lives in Chinese prison...they kept us up all night and gave us water, wouldn't let us use the bathroom, wouldn't let us eat food.

But they were all going through the same thing, so at some point, they all fell asleep. I didn't have a phone at that point so I was only able to take a photograph of one of my interrogators sleeping.

Brian was able to pull out his iPhone because they couldn't figure out how to take the SIM card...he was able to send a message that said, "Detained at 3 a.m." The hub didn't know who was detained...Later, I had hidden the cell phone in my bag. They called and that got me in mad trouble when it rang...

They told some of my collaborators they were gonna shoot us. They really didn't know what we were doing or who we were...At about the 26th hour, they gave up. So they filed us all in vans...and started driving us way on the outskirts of town... Before long we see this ominous spectre of a giant building surrounded by barbed wire. That was Chongwen detention center.

They stripped us and took photos of us naked. They put us in little red shorts and red shirts, prison clothes, and marched us into general population prison cells...At that point we were in a position no or very few Americans had been before.

What did you imagine was going to happen next?
I've never done military training. I'd already cracked. Under 24-hour interrogation, I told them things, including lies...

They take me to my cell. I thought I was gonna fight for my life and get owned. The door shuts behind me. Immediately a man jumps up, grabs a blanket, and another puts his arm out to me...Then one offered me a bar of chocolate...

I realized people in Chinese detention centers are not criminals. In my cell there were regular Chinese nationals, Mongolians, Africans from Nigeria, Cameroon, and Ghana. None had committed any serious crime. Some had paperwork errors on their visa. They were black in China. People from outside the provinces who hadn't registered. In effect, the people I was thinking would (attack me), they were just trying to be kind. They became friends...There's nothing I can do to get them out.

Powderly's gear worth some $2,500, which Beijing police confiscated, included a green laser mounted on a tripod. He's sharing details online about how to replicate the project.

Powderly's gear worth some $2,500, which Beijing police confiscated, included a green laser mounted on a tripod. He's sharing details online about how to replicate the project.

(Credit: James Powderly)

Did you see people there related to protests about Tibet?
Powderly: They brought in an American and a Brit also involved in SFT protests but we didn't see each other. We were deprived of sleep...

On the 20th, they finally said, "You're in detention. You've been sentenced to 10 days in Chongwen."

On the 22nd, the fourth day we were being held, we finally got to see the U.S. Embassy. We met among a cadre of 10 to 15 secret police officers...

None of us were getting our medication. There were diabetics, asthmatics. I have Crohn's disease. We were not Hogan's heroes. None of us had slept for four days. Various people were experiencing sickness.

The general process of interrogation involved strapping you into a metal chair that cuts you, in a room with blood splattered on the floor.

None of us could eat the food. It's disgusting, this anise, licorice-flavored broth and hard-boiled eggs for breakfast. They don't supply you with potable water in prison, which I tried to explain is not conducive to human life...

(The Embassy counsel) told us although it was unprecedented, (the Chinese) could hold us and there was nothing they could do to get us out early.

Did you think this would become a big deal politically back home?
Powderly: I knew there would be some noise. But being an activist in my country, America also uses detention centers and so does the U.K. This type of torture has been standard practice all over the world. It reinforces China's belief that it's okay. They consider the Dalai Lama a terrorist. They told us we were plotting the murder of China and while I had not administered the knife, I'd built it.

I didn't know some (activists) had taken an LED throwie banner and employed it. They were deported immediately...

That said, "Free Tibet?"
Yes, I was involved in the design on the Dr. Strangelove end of that, but didn't execute it. I'm a bad spy. You can't have an armful of tats and walk around in German sunglasses. The other people getting away with it were wearing Team America track suits. Brian Conley just came out of the desert of Iraq. He didn't look like the guy wanted to see Mexico versus Singapore table tennis.

Ultimately we didn't actually do anything. Maybe the degree of technology we were using was devious enough that it suggested we were doing something. We were "teched" out.

What kind of gear?
We used Twitter extensively as a method of communicating. That came out during the interrogation, so probably Twitter's...banned in China now.

I brought in lasers, optical lenses, tripods. There were computers with biometric logins, ways of getting satellite and broadband connections. We'd mapped Wi-Fi nodes in the city.

Protesters intended to use a green laser and laser-printed stencils to project massive, pro-Tibet messages at Bird's Nest stadium and at Tiananmen Square. This was a test run.

Protesters intended to use a green laser and laser-printed stencils to project massive, pro-Tibet messages at Bird's Nest stadium and at Tiananmen Square. This was a test run.

(Credit: James Powderly)

You flew with the lasers?
I was coming from Seoul, Korea. It wasn't a rigorous security situation. I thought I could explain that it was related to my camera. In China, this technology isn't illegal. In the U.S., a 400-milliwatt laser is illegal. I use it responsibly as part of a peaceful protest...

I'm writing an Instructable on "how to get yourself thrown into a Chinese prison," showing how to build the laser technology...

Do you think this drew more attention to the point of your protest than if it had been carried out successfully?
Yes. This was a huge miscalculation on the part of China...The spotlight of the Olympics is now overshadowed. It looks like a spectacular publicity stunt meant to secure their place among the elite governments of the world...Now every story in the media has been grappling to address, yes, China did a decent job, but...why did a Mexican protester disappear? Why did eight Americans disappear for 10 days? Why did two Tibetans get shot? What happened to the Tibetan monks in March?

The sad thing is, anything that happens to us that would be considered torture, it's nothing compared to what's happening to the Africans and Chinese nationals held, who don't get calls from embassies and senators. There's no victory there.

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by Vaioleto August 29, 2008 11:37 PM PDT
What did he honestly expect when he went to another country with the sole purpose of breaking its laws? It's similar to going to Washington with the express purpose of spraying "kill the president" on the whitehouse, except the U.S. wouldn't give a darn if the country where the idiot originated pressured them to let said idiot go. His next destination should be singapore, maybe he should bring some marijuana too for good measure.

Natural selection is going to catch up to this guy soon enough.
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by Vaioleto August 29, 2008 11:38 PM PDT
What did he honestly expect when he went to another country with the sole purpose of breaking its laws? It's similar to going to Washington with the express purpose of spraying "kill the president" on the whitehouse, except the U.S. wouldn't give a darn if the country where the idiot originated pressured them to let said idiot go. His next destination should be singapore, maybe he should bring some marijuana too for good measure.

Natural selection is going to catch up to this guy soon enough.
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by August 29, 2008 11:41 PM PDT
You go to a foreign country known for strict limitations on freedom of speech and human rights during the biggest national event in its recent history, and expect people to sympathize with you when you try to stage a spectacle and get detained? Politics aside, this doesn't sound like the smartest idea to begin with. While you're at it, why don't you go to an Islamic Middle East country and protest religious freedoms and womens' rights?

This stunt may draw some attention to your protest, but I don't think it's going to have the kind of impact you're hoping for. Think the "human shields" that went to Iraq; they were seen as idiots by many for deliberately going into harm's way.
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by pingpong111 August 30, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
Morality trumps states' rights. The Chinese government is hurting people and thus they should be denounced and stood up against by each and every reasoning human being because they are a threat to us all, to our lives and our reason. You will not threaten anyone! Our human rights are inviolate.
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by Balfor August 30, 2008 2:52 AM PDT
What a total load of rubbish! Hahhaa!

I've lived in Beijing for the last twelve years with never any problem.

But I bet you that if I went to Washington D.C. and aimed laser beams at the Rotunda displaying "FREE HAWAII" or som eother garbage I'd get locked up (detained) without charges and later released.

Better yet, in the USA, if I projected a similar message saying: "THE YANKEES SUCK" on the side of Yankee Stadium during a season opener, I probably wouldn't get arrested, but maybe 300,000 citizens would beat the hell out of me.

Understand yet? It's NOT AMERICA! You don't fly to another country and virtually urinate on the peoples' beliefs -- that's just plain stupid.

These naive, narrowly-focused little children need to stay home and read up on their history and world geography. This ain't Kansas Toto -- and most of us who live here are WAY happy that it's not.

Personally, I wish they'd given this trouble-making idiot five years hard labor.
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by mbenedict August 30, 2008 3:17 AM PDT
Free Tibet.. bah, have you been to Tibet? Frankly the Western bias is sickening. White man out to save colored people. Again. Welcome, Hollywood.

The dumbass deserved to be thrown in a Chinese prison.
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by asiawestlovelink August 30, 2008 3:56 AM PDT
DUH! Too bad they didn't lock this one up and throw the key away. UnAmerican, Offensive and Disrespectful are his good points... idiot!
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by Paperweight August 30, 2008 4:17 AM PDT
Sniff, Sniff ....

Poor Baby, will you hold your breath until you turn Blue.

Its their country, their culture and you want them to abide by Your Rules?!

Did your mommy tell you we would all listen to you if you just told us you had something you thought was important?
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by Respect_Others August 30, 2008 4:35 AM PDT
I'm surprised they locked this criminal up for only one week.
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by SJ2571 August 30, 2008 4:45 AM PDT
Deserved what he got. And should've got longer.
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by amijs August 30, 2008 4:57 AM PDT
Free Tibet.. bah, have you been to Tibet? He better grab a histroy book and read it!!!!
Locked for ONLY one week!!!!
I will be surprised if he can enter CHINA ever again!!!!
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by stelon August 30, 2008 5:12 AM PDT
No! you don't under China's culture and history.Tibet and Taiwan are both the parts of China.
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by mywillmyway August 30, 2008 6:28 AM PDT
I think what James has done is TERRIBLE !!! He thought he was doing something noble and he thought it was cool and he must tell his "heroic" story out after he has done that. Oh yeah..great publicity while spreading great american "values"....am I going to be a celebrity soon?

His behavior typically illustrates why people outside of US don't like "Americans". Helping Tibetans is a noble reason, but strategically he is incompetent. You don't help the Tibetans by pissing 1.3 billion Chinese people. If your daughters are the queens in once a year pagentry in high school, you don't want to embarass those parents and destory thier feelings by protesting "the shcool restroom stinks" with laser light. To truly help Tibetans, you got to be smarter than this. While you fulfill you desire of getting attention and be able to write a touching stroy on how to get into Chiense prison, you basically destroy everything else.

To be heroic, go to places like Irag to help those poor kids and women using lasers on terrorist HQ. At least I will respect you because you risk your life.

If you can go to the Republican convention and shows the laser sign "Free Native Americans" because we "Americans" destroyed their culture and occupied their mother land, I will respect you even more.

Anyways, I hope you are just a few exceptions of the truly great Americans. CNet should use this space to spread Tibet news insead of your own personal story to make you celebrity. If you truly want to help Tibet, stop telling your heroic story.

You have a good heart, but you have to be humble and learn to think more.
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by tppcnet August 30, 2008 7:26 AM PDT
The comments on this story are incredible.

A US citizen gets thrown in prison and tortured for a thought crime and people are blaming him for it.

Get a grip people!
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by bradyme August 30, 2008 7:26 AM PDT
I've just read the comments here, looked at the names of the users who posted. Interesting. Did Cnet just get hit by the Chinese Government?
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by jetblackattack August 30, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
Wait a second. What this guy did is arguably a dumb-ass move, but seriously whose side is everyone on? Do people here think it's cool that a country can detain it's citizens without any judicial oversight, interrogate them and torture them indefinitely? Does that sound like a cool place that we should support? Then why are we all typing on computers that were manufactured in that country? Why are we fine with them hosting the Olympics? Why are we ok with that?

Wasn't it "illegal" at one time for blacks do drink out of the same water fountain as a white person? Wasn't it "illegal" for women to vote? Were the people who spoke up against that and railed against injustice fools? Had they been silent or silenced, would our world be a better place?

Have any of the people ******** about this guy been to Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin? Do you have any idea how many people lost their lives protecting liberty of West Berlin, of Germany, of the entire continent of Europe. Do you know what would have happened if Stalin's tanks had rolled into Paris?

Yeah, this guy took risks and you can argue about the effectiveness of what he did, but at least he has ideals. I'm wondering about some of the other posters here....
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by redskinisaracistterm August 30, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
Just for perspective, the US leads the entire world in per capita incarceration, with more than 1 in every 100 adults locked up. See un.org, search "incarceration rate" anywhere.
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by Kinowolf August 30, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
@jetblackattack

You're absolutely right. I was thinking the same thing about the Civil Rights movement. Everything the black and white (and Latino and Asian) activists of that period did was considered illegal. The sit-ins, the street protests, the marches, etc. They were summarily hosed, beaten, and attacked by dogs by people who were "pissed off" that they were speaking out against "their values."

And we would be nowhere without them.

Even if every single Chinese citizen was happy about their constitutional lack of freedom of expression, due process, and habeas corpus (which is false, many fight and die or disappear for speaking out), it doesn't mean they're right and it doesn't mean people should stop speaking out.

Just as we should speak out here in the US against a government that is literally breaking our laws and trampling the constitutional rights that, unlike China, we do have.

So instead of wasting time making fun of Powderly, get your typing fingers in motion. Or does it not matter until it happens to you, and suddenly your rights are denied? Think it'll never happen? Then just sit back and watch. Hopefully someone will put themselves on the line for you before that happens. I'm sure you'll still be ungrateful.
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by bradleyguyle August 30, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
It's a laudable enough cause. I admire the technology and the method to "get out a message".

But.

It's China. *NOT* the place to play "spy". Anyone with any kind of knowledge of China would have to expect this to happen. So no, no sympathy whatsoever.

And that this arrest backfired because everyone's talking about this now and not the success of the Games? Uuhhhmm, no. Don't take yourself too seriously buddy.
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by johnqh August 30, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
It is one thing the citizen of a country protest against their own government, it is totally different when you go to a foreign country to do that, without knowing the country, culture, and people.

Anyone (including US expats) living in China would know Chinese people are generally happy with the government. Of course, there are certain restriction on free speech and press, but that's already way more relaxed than before. Some of you have the mis-conception that nobody can say anything, which is not true. Go to any Chinese online forums and see what issues are discussed - that includes government official corruption, legal system, big gap between rich and poor, sports scandals (pretty much the same discussion topics about American politics).

Chinese people see the road already traveled. You may only see the road ahead. It doesn't mean you are wrong, it just means we need to have some perspective.

Now, if any foreigner comes to US and pull something like this in DC....you know exactly what will happen.

That's not the way to push the idea of democracy and freedom. It only makes him (and other freedom lovers) look like idiots to the Chinese people.
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