[NSFW] Loliconvenience
Hemisphere April 13th, 2008
Alright people, now it’s time to show you just why this site is particularly named this way. Hold on to you seats, because if you’re going to bolt up and run away in sheer terror then I’d say that you’re a pretty normal person and that checking this out might not be in your best interests. Or this site, for that matter.
If you’re at least familiar with the internet, or have spent some time in its darkest, deepest recesses, then you should be aware of what the terms loli and lolicon means. If not, then GTFO and never darken my doorway again! just keep in mind that loli refers to drawings of girls with underdeveloped bodies, most often prepubescent, while lolicon stands for “Lolita complex”, inspired by Nabokov’s book Lolita, and refers to people with a complex for lolis and for sexual content catered towards such people. Better take note of those two terms in case you’re unfamiliar with them because I’m going to be using them a lot.
Before I continue though, let’s get something straight. Loli refers to drawings of girls that do not exist. Got that? You should, because if you’re going to go into a self-righteous rage and start mouthing off about how this is just child porn and that it encourages people to abduct and rape children in order to satisfy their sexual depravity (or tell me instead that loli does indeed refer to real children and that I should instead be gratuitously serving you up some CP), then I kindly suggest that you shove your head up your ass and go swim in a bowl full of month-old piss. I could go into a tangent right here and use philosophy and psychology to excruciatingly point out why the difference matters, but I’m lazy and someone else already did it for me. Onii-chan’s already talked about it, so if you want to get some things cleared up first, why don’t you check out what he has to say about the whole fear-mongering alarmist approach to branding loli as child porn. Besides, this article isn’t about that issue, and I’d gladly shoot it twice in both kneecaps and drag it off to a desert for the vultures to feast on if it means continuing with this post.
If you do ignore that little piece of advice right there and continue on with the entry then end up ranting with vitriolic rage, then may I suggest that you go fuck a toilet instead. I hear it’s a fun way to pass the time!
Lolicon is one of those sexual fetishes that most people in the fandom either turn a blind eye to or look at with disdain, as with bondage and humiliation sex and other sexual perversions that are on the deep end of depraved. Not that I’m associating the nature of lolicon material with the latter. But for those who are either tolerant, desensitized, or open with their perversion, lolis are nothing to get riled over about. Sure, you’ve got girls that have underdeveloped bodies which most likely has people wondering “how do people get sexually turned on by this?”, but my reply would be “the same reason as to why people get excited over some of the crazier stuff like horse sex”. There is something sexually charged about it, and finding ways of how to accept it depends on how to get your ego and super ego to agree with each other while your id’s probably already wasted twenty rolls of toilet paper in a furious game of whack-his-mole. Fuck you onii-chan, I can’t think of any other example. Oh, and fuck you too Freud.
Loli, as a term, seems sounds, but the way the fanbase use for classification purposes is where things start getting blurry. While it does refer to girls with underdeveloped bodies for the most part, some people like to use the term to make distinctions between girls who have that kind of body yet are prepubescent in age and actual prepubescent girls. Some believe that the former isn’t loli since their idea of a loli is that of a prepubescent child, while others disagree with the previous remark. Then there’s the recent idea that classifying mentally-retarded characters with a young mental age also counts as loli because of their behaviour, with the use of moe in order to justify such a reasoning. Once you try and put all those together, the word clusterfuck seems to be more than appropriate in trying to sort things out just what exactly loli is. But for this post’s sake, I will be using the term with my original intention: to refer to girls with prepubescent or underdeveloped bodies regardless of age.
What’s so appealing about lolis anyways? Initially, I thought it was just the appeal of having someone whose body isn’t of the usual “big boobs and supple hips” design that’s so prevalent in every other hentai anime, doujinshi and eroge, put into a sexual scenario. The appeal of the uncommon, if you will, just like with tentacle hentai, but that’s a completely different story. But after listening to Onii-chan’s podcast, he does make some very good points about the whole thing as to why people find loli fascinating (and fappable), as well as why they enjoy it. The two schools of thought, as he put it. There’s the people who like the appeal of underdeveloped bodies just as much as normal people like supple, developed ones, and then there are the people who are into the whole innocence and purity that these characters tend to have. The former tends to focus on loli characters who are present in several doujins and eroges and have prepubescent builds but are aged much older, while the latter is only associated with loli characters who have both the prepubescent body AND the age to go with it.
While Randall made some good points about both schools of thought, I’d like to add that the second one doesn’t necessarily mean that a person is into loli because he wants to fuck the living shit out of an innocent girl who believes in doing everything that her onii-chan tells her to. I can say for sure that I’m not into lolis who are aged just as young as they look with the fantasy of acting as a kind of sexual mentor, because I see nothing charming about that one. The other charm with such loli characters is that their innocence, purity and overall lack of maturity means that their naiveté results in simpler, less complicated relationships with which a person can indulge himself with. A young character like that would ideally be less demanding, more adorable and simpler to handle than a mature woman, even though we know that in reality that’s very far from the truth. This is mostly the case with eroges that they use loli characters who are as young as they appear. If you think that what I just said is a load of crap and that I’m just being a twatmouth, then consider the character of the stereotypical otaku in Japan and what kind of girl he would mostly likely need in order to be in a relationship, then get back to me if what I said begins to make sense.
As for the first school of thought, I would have to say that the appeal that it has on me is diversity. Eventually I get tired of the same old thing that makes everybody tick, which is why I find characters with underdeveloped bodies interesting. In all of the eroges that I’ve played, I tend to go for these characters as they’re usually the ones that perk up my interests the most (and probably something else, but let’s not get into that). For example: Kono Natsuki of E×E, Ebihara of Braban!, Princess Arietta of Lyrical Lyric, Tenrou Kunagi of Daibanchou and others more. In these cases, I found these characters appealing not only because of their distinctive appearances but also because of their unique quirks and characters. This combination, loli figure + distinctive personality, usually holds true in most eroges based on my experience.
The thing with eroges, though, is that they don’t just offer a quick way of blowing your load over lolis (but this depends on what you’re playing, durr). Since eroges involve some sort of fantasy immersion, you can take your loli fetish to something beyond sexual in nature. To the unimaginative, it could be as simple as indulging yourself to having a fantasy relationship with a loli, or something else. That’s what most eroges are about, anyways.
But then, if you are after simple sexploits with lolis in order to bust your nutbladder, with pictures and doujins not enough for you, then there are eroges for that purpose! Most of the titles in this consists of you being able to subject various willing and unwilling lolis to your sexual bidding, sometimes going as far as breaking them to your whims, or ending up in a relationship. See, it still involves a certain degree of fantasy immersion, albeit more on the fetishistic side. And sometimes creepy as fuck.
Of course, it goes without saying that I’d rather go for the eroges with halfway decent story and characters over a simple sexfest. Aside from the former being much more memorable, entertaining, and hard to get bored with (THIS MOTHERFUCKER DOESN’T HAVE ADD YOU ASSHOLE, HAHAHA LET’S SEE YOU TRY), they’re just a hell of a lot more fun to go through. They’re also easier to come up with an excuse for should I get caught playing, but it’s not like I really give a damn nor do I play eroges in broad freaking daylight in public view!
Personally, I’m all for loli since they’re nothing innately wrong with it; it all depends on the person viewing it. Like, say, a gun. Guns don’t kill people, it’s the one who uses it that’s ultimately responsible for what he does with it. And if you find that analogy a bit overused and lame, then let’s take forks. Forks are fun for dining and all, but if I start stabbing someone in the face with it, then it’s my responsibility.
Just like any other piece of fictitious work, or porn, it only starts to get creepy when you start to take it too seriously and start rejecting reality in place of your delusional fantasies like one motherfucker I know in real life, but for the third time, that’s a different discussion altogether. Which shouldn’t be a problem, unless you’re schizophrenic or something and is prone to constant episodes of delusion.
Anyways, that’s all I have to say about lolis right now. As for the next NSFW post, it’ll be about…
Man, this post is so fucked up when you view it in HTML coding.
PS. Much BAWWWWWWWing has been made over this post simply because of the poor choice of pictures. Which is true, I admit, but since nobody got the freaking hint, I changed them all to suit the definition of loli because apparently there is no way for a creative argument to present itself aside from text when you’re too busy jacking off to the images to even bother. God help me should my OCD kick in while I’m fapping off to bondage porn and suddenly go “THAT DILDO IS TOO SHORT, SHIT I’M A VICTIM OF 権謀術数”. So the images have been changed to suit the BAWWWWW. Trollfaggotbandwagoning, however, just makes Akismet fat and plump.
I read this while BBC Radio 3’s Choral Evensong service was on the radio. That was a wierd contrast.
Anyway, on topic, yeah. I’ve always been a bit suspicious of lolicon, but I can see it’s more complex than just ‘drawn porn for men who want to HURR-HURR do little girls’. The idea of simplicity connected to innocence is something I hadn’t considered, though. Food for thought.
That guy below in the 3rd pic doesn’t really look like a male.
You’d say it’s futa, but if you say it isn’t I’ll believe you. :D
Pic 8 seems kinda unreal when compared with RL. Hehe. ;)
I’ll stick with my loli doujins though, I’d get too pissed off at my comp trying to get the game to work or make any sense of the moonspeak. :p
I still remember the trouble I went through getting Shuffle and F/SN to work for instance, so I mostly quit playing eroge’s.
As for bla-bla pedophile people that always seem to pop up at these kind of posts, go help Chris Hansen catch a predator via internet chatrooms. ;)
I mean, I like loli’s in 2D, but in RL kids are so damn annoying to be around with(voice, behaviour and all).
Interesting feature, though I’ll be sure to stay away when you get to futa or guro. ;)
Hemisphere: Hm…
I´d like to say that you should use more blank space instead of cramping everything up in one big long text and just having images as the breaker.
On the topic, well written and there isn´t much more to say. I do like to see Primula from Shuffle. Don´t know why though. Must be her design since I like all characters with good design.
And why do I recall knowing about 90% of the games that the CGs are comming from? I haven´t played them myself for god´s sake!! Weird.
HTML code is fun to read!! Gives your brain something to work with to see if you got all the tags and stuff perfectly inprinted in your memory from the earlier stages when you started learning HTML.
For another Loli that hasn´t appeared in any game(that I know of) then take a look at Ninomiya-Kun and Housaka-sempai… and what she did in one of the short clips before the episode. Would be boring if that happened in real life.
Ravage: Install japanese language on your computer and run your OS in that and in 9/10 cases it works. Atleast for me, Fate Stay/Night wasn´t any trouble, neither was Shuffle.
Understanding them is another question though…
ANYONE WHO ENJOYS THIS SHIT SHOULD BE LOCKED UP IN PRISON BEFORE THEY RAPE A CHILD.
I’ve always had problems with visual novels because my compy is Ubuntu linux.
Owen S: Go climb a wall of dicks.
IKnight: That does make for quite a weird experience, albeit a hilarious one.
Ravage: Yeah, it’s a male and not a futanari. Also, I’m not going to be covering futanari and guro, as I tend to stay far away from those two. Not that they disturb me, it’s just that I don’t find them interesting enough.
manga: The whole format of this post was intentional, heh. There’s a joke about it, but I doubt that anybody else but me is going to get it, and frankly I’d rather wait and see if anyone else would catch on before I say what it is and eventually end up looking like a massive retard.
Owen S: NYAN NYAN
Anonymous: Ubuntu linux? I’m curious as to how that goes. Oh, and Owen was actually joking. If you check out the hyperlink in his name, it leads to a youtube video with a particularly hilarious comment.
>>guro
>>I don’t find them interesting enough
DEEP IN YOUR HEAR YOU’RE WILLING TO ACCEPT SOME DAMAGED GOODS. Also, YouTube comments are the worst thing that have happened since Usenet, HTML, forums, imageboards, blogs, podcasts and so on. Wait……
Aha, then I´ll be checking back in a couple of weeks to see if anyone has gotten it right or if you´ve come out from the bush and told us all :)
hmm ubuntu well i guess lime could be used but im not sure on how that is to work hmm and also to have a post filled with lolis well i guess it sure has a relation with the site name hehe but would that also be applicable to kyoudais?
へ・ん・た・い。君。天罰で死んじゃえ、この変態ロリコンM馬鹿野郎め!!女の敵!!永遠に地獄で燃えやがれ!
lol no but seriously…
Although I am by no means a fan of lolicon in anime/eroge, I really don’t have anything against it either. Pedophiles will continue to desire children whether these fictional drawings exist or not. If you think about it, it’s more likely to SATIATE them than cause them to go on a rampage anyway. Its existence is not going to change people into pedophiles either.
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For a moment there (or the second paragraph), I almost thought you went down the deep end, Hemisphere. ^_^;
As much as I want to say that “nothing beats the original”… this certainly doesn’t apply here.
Also, some Kana from Otoboku would have also made this post a bit more complete. :D
The thing about lolicon is that people almost always say that you like “child porn”, which totally pisses me off. Personally, since these are drawings, there’s really no problem with it, ethically speaking, which is why I prefer 2D (in before I ONLY LIKE 2D GIRLS). Lolis are okay with me, but I like them a year or two older - slightly more developed, but not overly so.
Algester: No kyoudais. I’m not really into shota. >__>;
Zakarum: True. I find the uproar rather hilarious. TENTACLE PORN DEPICTS TENTACLES IN AN UNFAIR MANNER, OMG SOMEONE FILE A PETITION AND FIGHT FOR THESE POOR TENTACLES’ RIGHTS!
…I’m not going to touch that pedo isue with a 60 foot pole, however.
meganeshounen: Kana, eh. Nope, I haven’t gone off the deep end (yet), I’m just always like that.
Zeroblade: HENTAI DEPICTS AN UNJUST TREATMENT OF WOMEN, QUICK SOMEONE FILE FOR A PETITION AND FIGHT FOR THESE POOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS!
lols in kamipani mizuki and tomoyuki’s relationship is kyoudai apparently its original meaning could be imouto-onee-chan and onii-chan-ototo relationship but can be applicable to sister-brother sibling (or non-sibling) relationship apparently to which reason i dont know (but im sure you know this) so does usually not involve shota <_<
Yeah, I know. I was kidding! :P
I do have a feeling that person is someone im familiar with…. and is also a club master in HF by how the discussion goes i think I might come close in pointing who that is but i can not mention names either @_@