GrahamW
Sat Feb 17 20:09:08 CST 2007
Thanks Ron.
In the 11th hour I managed to avert insanity and got things sorted, for the
time being at least.
Thanks for your interest
Graham
"Ron Badour" wrote:
> Use the computer you are posting with to retrieve the files. From the
> posting machine, remove the ribbon cable from the CDRom/DVD drive(s) and if
> you position the two PCs close together, the ribbon cable may reach the old
> (troubled) hard drive. Then power up both machines. If not, pull out the
> old hard drive and temporarily attach it to the ribbon cable and power
> supply wires of the new machine. It does not have to be mounted in the
> posting PC--you can stand the drive on its end. Then power up the new
> machine use its operating system to retrieve the files you need from the old
> drive.
>
> --
> Regards
>
>
> Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
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http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
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> "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7DFE069A-DA9A-4475-9148-BBD95697D354@microsoft.com...
> > Sorry forgot to mention. It did not complete installation and stopped in
> > exactly the same spot as before but developed afore mentioned problem in
> > addition to original problem.
> > I've since done another reinstall and now back to square one.
> > It's looking very much like a reformat?
> > There are a couple of very important data files, (MS Word), I'd like to
> > extract from disk before I plunge but a little worried how to.
> > I can reinstall most others but I didn't get the chance to backup the two
> > files in question. Your comments or views Ben?
> >
> > Regards
> > Graham
> >
> > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >
> >> If you are saying that setup completed without hanging, start the
> >> computer,
> >> tap the F8 key until the startup menu appears and select "Step by step
> >> confirmation". This should show you where the shutdown is occurring.
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >> "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E67AA2CE-51EA-4D11-B1F7-C2DC619550D5@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi Ben,
> >> > Computer now prompts to go into "safe mode" at startup. Once selected
> >> > the
> >> > computer shuts down. I can select any of the other options but it still
> >> > shuts
> >> > down before the logo appears. If I leave the startup to run its course
> >> > it
> >> > will stop at the menu. Something to think about.
> >> > I'm off to bed. (1:00 am)
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Graham
> >> >
> >> > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If setup is hanging up during detection, the entries at the very end
> >> > > of the
> >> > > "detlog.txt" file may indicate what device is causing the problem.
> >> > > When
> >> > > setup is run a second time, it should bypass items that failed the
> >> > > first time.
> >> > > Windows setup can be run from MS-DOS. Typically, this is done by
> >> > > starting the computer with a boot floppy that has CD drivers. These
> >> > > can
> >> > > be created at
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm . You would need
> >> > > to type the full path, filename and switches, for example:
> >> > >
> >> > > E:\win98\setup /is /p f;i
> >> > >
> >> > > Ben
> >> > >
> >> > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:EE6CFB2B-5A2F-4153-BF90-F88BB172BF73@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > Hi Ben
> >> > > > I presume we're operating within "progman". If so, from the "Run"
> >> > > > message
> >> > > > box command line c:\setup /is and /p f;i (switches used together
> >> > > > and then
> >> > > > separately. returned message =
> >> > > > "Cannot find file c:\setup /is /p f;i or one of its
> >> > > > components"..................
> >> > > > When rebooting and typing the same from the c:\ prompt, returned
> >> > > > message=
> >> > > > "Bad command or filename".
> >> > > > While viewing "detlog.txt" I see the "detcrash.log" file is missing
> >> > > > or
> >> > > > invalid. I thought this may have helped me a little.
> >> > > > Would this file be native to Windows 98SE?
> >> > > > I notice the "detlog.txt /old" files are full of "failure entries
> >> > > > also?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for your patience
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Graham
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > The "c:\detlog.txt" file records devices as they are being
> >> > > > > detected, so if
> >> > > > > you think setup is hanging during detection, open the file and
> >> > > > > scroll down
> >> > > > > to the last entry. There may be a "c:\detlog.old" file that can
> >> > > > > be used for
> >> > > > > comparison. Also, please indicate what happened when you ran
> >> > > > > setup
> >> > > > > with the "/is" and "/p f;i" switches.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Ben
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> > > > > news:0657EDB9-C1F3-4577-BD66-C9BEFB6E2CA6@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > > > Hi Ben;
> >> > > > > > Sorry about the wait. I have to travel for medical treatment.
> >> > > > > > Are you able to give me a few pointers on reading the
> >> > > > > > "detlog.txt" file
> >> > > > > > please, or would you know of a site I could read and digest if
> >> > > > > > too long to
> >> > > > > > explain.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Regards
> >> > > > > > Graham
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Try running setup with the "/is" and "/p f;i" switches.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > setup /is /p f;i
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > If this doesn't help, a look at the last few entries of the
> >> > > > > > > "c:\detlog.txt" might
> >> > > > > > > be helpful.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Ben
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> > > > > > > message
> >> > > > > > > news:D5EF516E-6F16-4F96-9540-A7174F19A8FF@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > > > > > Hi Ben;
> >> > > > > > > > Been there a few times as of late. I had already set
> >> > > > > > > > "Resources..." to Auto,
> >> > > > > > > > but I have really looked hard to find "PNP OS", checked,
> >> > > > > > > > double checked, and
> >> > > > > > > > had friend look also just in case I missed it in "PNP/PCI
> >> > > > > > > > Configuration" menu
> >> > > > > > > > and all other Bios menus also.
> >> > > > > > > > I managed to enter Program Manager and found
> >> > > > > > > > "windows\system\msconfig.exe"
> >> > > > > > > > then "System Configuration Utility|View|Device
> >> > > > > > > > Manager|System board
> >> > > > > > > > extension for PnP BIOS". I managed to "remove" this entry
> >> > > > > > > > from this menu then
> >> > > > > > > > exit "winfile.exe". The computer then rebooted and hung for
> >> > > > > > > > a while, then
> >> > > > > > > > message appeared notifying that computer was searching for
> >> > > > > > > > new hardware and
> >> > > > > > > > then promptly reloaded PnP Bios Extension again before
> >> > > > > > > > re-entering
> >> > > > > > > > "winfile.exe". I tried over the top install again
> >> > > > > > > > BUT.............
> >> > > > > > > > I've seen a few great holiday package deals lately.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Cheers Graham
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Try looking for "PNP OS" in the "PNP/PCI Configuration"
> >> > > > > > > > > section.
> >> > > > > > > > > Also, see if "Resources controlled by..." is set to
> >> > > > > > > > > "Auto". If not,
> >> > > > > > > > > change it. Be sure to save the change when exiting.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Ben
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> > > > > > > > > message
> >> > > > > > > > > news:446037EA-FCAC-453A-85C8-FA2BD274E6EE@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Ben;
> >> > > > > > > > > > I did two "over the top" installs with different
> >> > > > > > > > > > options and 1 x fresh
> >> > > > > > > > > > install with "only" essential options.
> >> > > > > > > > > > I've looked very carefully for "PnP OS" or anything
> >> > > > > > > > > > that resembled that.
> >> > > > > > > > > > Alas I'm still in reverse gear.
> >> > > > > > > > > > I'm beginning to wonder perhaps a memory problem ??
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Cheers Graham
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > You might try a fresh install with all non-essential
> >> > > > > > > > > > > peripherals removed.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Also, go into the BIOS setup and look for something
> >> > > > > > > > > > > like "PNP OS".
> >> > > > > > > > > > > If you find it, make sure it is set to "Yes" or
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "Enabled". Be sure to save
> >> > > > > > > > > > > any changes when exiting.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > Ben
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >> > > > > > > > > > > in message
> >> > > > > > > > > > > news:62052A19-348D-4795-B69C-EDA02FCA3269@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ben:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I've been working in this area for past couple of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > days. I seem to be getting
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > closer to a solution but it's still eluding me. Any
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > more suggestions will be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > gratefully taken on board. I'm really not sure if
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm meant to be enjoying
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > this ? or maybe about to fall into a trap.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Ben Myers" wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the computer with Program Manager as the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > shell, click "File", "Run",
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > type "control SYSDM.CPL" into the "Command Line"
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > box and click "OK".
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Go into Device Manager, expand the "System
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Devices" entry and see if you
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > can find and correct any resource conflicts.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget to change the shell
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > back to Explorer when restarting.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Graham W." <GrahamW@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:8459FA00-F421-4242-B8C2-BF4AB32AA627@microsoft.com...
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all;
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I had to reinstall my 98SE because of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "something ?" causing it to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > crash.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've done this before without any bother, but
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this time, toward the end of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reinstalltion after the system had auto
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > restarted, I was prompted if I
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted another option included, something about
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Award Plug and Play". The
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prompt was over shadowing other B & W text and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was contained within a small
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > box. I was given a Y/N option so I selected Y.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Big mistake. I really cant
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember exactly what the prompt text displayed
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because I haven't been able
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to duplicate it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned everything goes W/out a hitch
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > until the last 10 mins of
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reinstallation, when the system seems to be
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > searching for plug & play devices
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then the system just hangs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This "Award Plug & Play Bios Extension" now
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows while booting and my
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning would be to remove it from Bios "but
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how". I can boot into Program
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manager by editing sys.ini but thats it. Whew
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry bout length of story.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers for now
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham
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