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Transcend

08-04-2005, 04:00 PM

those risse's aren't that bad of a bike. If they couild go to a welded rear instead of a bolt together, and maybe a cleaner, aluminum front half, they could have a solid ride.

Well as the main test rider for it, i have to admit, it rode pretty well.

The biggest problems on that particular bike were the weird head tube angle and massive risse fork. The headtube was fixed later on...the fork was an issue. Way too tall, putting the front end up in the air. Stik says EC laughed at it.

Second to that was the ultra bad seat tower - they need either a 1 piece machined or 1 piece welded tower. I bent about 5 sets of those..and I only weigh 145lbs.

A slightly lower pivot on the swinglink woudl have helped with the suspension travel..it felt a bit weird at the very top of the stroke (youc an see hwo flat it is in the picture).

The rear end itself was actually really stiff, and the diff axle systems were cool (9mm qr, 12mm, 15mm or 20mm).

Transcend

08-04-2005, 04:00 PM

Oh man I remember when the Proflex cam out in like '94. All the mags gave it great reviews and I wanted it so bad. :rolleyes:

I saw a k2/pro flex beast at bromont last week!

Registered

08-04-2005, 04:06 PM

Why reminisce when you could be riding one today?

Dude down the street from me runs a shop with dozens of old gems.

Check it out: http://www.bikedump.com/ - click on the DH bikes link in the left menu.

Ha! cracktacular....

08-04-2005, 04:28 PM

Hey DW, what's the plan for this frame?

no plans, just history. http://www.evilbikes.com/empire_story.htm

08-04-2005, 04:31 PM

I have 2 "mountain biking" suspesion guides from 92 i think. Ive always thought it would be cool to scan some of the wacky stuff in there. It has all sorts of stuff, some of the designs are still used today, but alot never made it. I think my all time favorite product in the mag was the suspension fork that used 2 bungee chords and a reversed rigid fork.

The other thing thats always funny to me is that 1992 isnt that long ago... but man doesnt it seem like the dark ages for some stuff??

oh man, you have to hook it up!! get out that scanner!

this thread is getting pretty good already!

Toshi

08-04-2005, 04:31 PM

Oh man I remember when the Proflex cam out in like '94. All the mags gave it great reviews and I wanted it so bad. :rolleyes:
it came out in 1993 if not a few years earlier, as i had one then :)

april 1993:

http://tjclark.ath.cx/images/miscellaneous/new%20york%20through%20lakewood%20--%201983-1999/Images/15.jpg

ncrider

08-04-2005, 04:39 PM

HA that's classic. I would have been so jealous on my Cannondale V something with a rockshox that had those extra bumpers "long travel" put in it to get 4 inches. Oh yeah! And the old school chainguide that attached to the chainstay. That was my DH rig in like '93-94. Then it got stolen and that was it until about two years ago. Good times.

Pegboy

08-04-2005, 04:40 PM

I used to work in a bike shop back in 91 I believe. Cannondale's catalog had a FS bike in it at that time. This was the first FS production MTB that I had ever seen and I remember thinking it was the stupidist thing I had ever seen..."why would you want shocks front and back on a MTB?!" hahaha

Does ANYONE have photos of that C-DALE, It has to be one of the first.

xy9ine

08-04-2005, 04:40 PM

there's gold @ first flight bikes:
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Shocker.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/RS1Side.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/92WTRFS.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/OutlandVPP.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/SpecFSR.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Mantra.JPG
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/DV1000.jpg

oly

08-04-2005, 05:03 PM

Funny thing is there are still tons of people still riding their trusty Proflex's.

oly

08-04-2005, 05:05 PM

i so wanted one of those Klein FS bikes...... GLad i didnt ever get one.

ncrider

08-04-2005, 05:07 PM

Oh yeah, that Manitou was crazy. The rear triangle was basically a fork, or something right? I thought it was cool, but then again I had blue hair and built beach cruisers at the bike shop, so whatever. :rolleyes:

OGRipper

08-04-2005, 05:12 PM

I can never find a pic of that Alex Pong Cannondale when I want one. It's like it was made by aliens and all the pics are in Area 54 or something. Cool thread. How about this one:

JohnnyBoyDH

08-04-2005, 06:32 PM

Some old shots for ya!

http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_145.jpg
http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_142.jpg
http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_150.jpg
http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_215.jpg
http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_216.jpg

I have some old MBA's i'll have to scan....good thread though...love the old skool DH bike!

www.ride-this.com

08-04-2005, 06:54 PM

OMG! A yeti Ultimate was the bike I dreamed about when I started riding in '88 :love: especially with the accu trax forks! If any one has one to sell I would buy it in a heart beat! Just to do some old school mtb riding

That flame paint job looks great as well!

IronJim

08-04-2005, 07:15 PM

If I could find pictures I would post the bike made by Outland, the framework for VPP designs, and the bike by AMP research. Oldies but goodies.
here it is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ironjim/vppdh6l.jpg

Pegboy

08-04-2005, 07:31 PM

Damn, the above has the new Rotec front triangle on it!

DW, take note of the chain tensioner system on the last Yeti posted...you guys could really learn something from that.

And yeah, I used to have one of those stupid things back in 95 or so.

DH biker

08-04-2005, 07:42 PM

Funny thing is that in 10 years everyone will be looking at our bikes and say: "Those are so rediculous looking. Who would ever ride that piece of junk type of bike."

ghettogt76

08-04-2005, 08:22 PM

Funny thing is that in 10 years everyone will be looking at our bikes and say: "Those are so rediculous looking. Who would ever ride that piece of junk type of bike."

Hahahah, totally!

This thread has brought back some memories! Love it!

Spunger

08-04-2005, 08:25 PM

Didn't those Manitou rear shock bikes also sold as a "Balance" branded bike? I remember they had different colored front triangles for the different models (blue, black, purple, red, green etc...). I still have my purple one but it's not full suspension.

gus

08-04-2005, 08:46 PM

It aint ancient unless its elastomers..

dhmtbj

08-04-2005, 08:58 PM

I can never find a pic of that Alex Pong Cannondale when I want one. It's like it was made by aliens and all the pics are in Area 54 or something. Cool thread. How about this one:

haha, there is some guy who always rides around Northeastern University in boston on one of those...thing is scary!

Jm_

08-04-2005, 09:40 PM

Gemini! the first one.

Orfen had the ultimate "weird DH bikes" collection.

thaflyinfatman

08-05-2005, 12:57 AM

Funny thing is that in 10 years everyone will be looking at our bikes and say: "Those are so rediculous looking. Who would ever ride that piece of junk type of bike."

I don't think so... DH development has slowed down quite a bit. For example, a 2000 M1 would still be considered a half-decent bike nowadays (2005), but a 1995 model anything being ridden in 2000? Don't think so...

J5ive

08-05-2005, 07:56 AM

no plans, just history. http://www.evilbikes.com/empire_story.htm

It still doesn't explain why you haven't dug it out and finnished it off. Lazy bastard :love:

If you need the 6 grand, I'm sure the :monkey:'s would be happy to raise it for you! :sneaky:

But seriously- whats stopping you? If your too busy, hire someone to do your job and rip that carboard box out. Now I am being a smartarse- sorry. And I'm sure you've heard it a million times before- but the world needs your bike god dam it!

Mackie

08-05-2005, 10:54 AM

There have been thousands of different suspension bikes built over time. We have a pretty resourceful group here, what have you seen? There has to be a lot of crazy stuff from the early 90s. Dig up your old pics and magazines and start scanning!

Dave
What, no URTs yet?
http://www.cambriabike.com/Images/product/catamont_blu-blk_sm.jpg

The crazy thing is, I still ride one of these (sometimes).

HenryTheHammer

08-05-2005, 10:55 AM

Gemini! the first one.

Orfen had the ultimate "weird DH bikes" collection.

Kinda Demo 9'ish in a way...interesting.

DRB

08-05-2005, 10:55 AM

First Flight just doesn't have a photo collection. They actually have most of those bikes. If you are ever in the Charlotte / Statesville area its worth the trip.

I almost died riding this bike. I figured with suspension you could jump anything. I hit this big 'ole jump, bottomed it out and it launched me into the stratsophere. And I came straight down on my head. I was out cold for a minute or two.

http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Trek9000.JPG

trailhacker

08-05-2005, 11:08 AM

What, no URTs yet?
http://www.cambriabike.com/Images/product/catamont_blu-blk_sm.jpg

The crazy thing is, I still ride one of these (sometimes).

I had a Control Tech URT. I think they were making them for Schwinn and/or Ibis and made a few extras and put their decals on them.
I thought then and still think now it was a great trail bike. The only problem I had with it (besides no disc tabs) was the shock location. You only had about 1-1/2" of seatpost adjustment.

GumbaFish

08-05-2005, 11:52 AM

nice call with the slingshot...you wouldn't catch me on one of those things ever, so sketchy.

blt2ride

08-05-2005, 12:52 PM

I had a Control Tech URT. I think they were making them for Schwinn and/or Ibis and made a few extras and put their decals on them.
I thought then and still think now it was a great trail bike. The only problem I had with it (besides no disc tabs) was the shock location. You only had about 1-1/2" of seatpost adjustment.

Hey, it kind of looks like the new Mongoose... :think:

Zutroy

08-05-2005, 12:58 PM

Hey, it kind of looks like the new Mongoose... :think:

Completely different suspension though.

OGRipper

08-05-2005, 01:16 PM

haha, there is some guy who always rides around Northeastern University in boston on one of those...thing is scary!

I'm not sure we're talking about the same bike, but that would be really cool if it's true.

This was a super sci-fi all aluminum job with mag wheels, integrated cranks, disc brakes and kooky suspension, designed by Alex Pong/Magic Motorcyle. According to First Flight it was shown in 1993. They were never produced and I don't even think they ever had a working complete bike. Vaporware at it's finest.

MVRIDER

08-05-2005, 01:32 PM

What, no URTs yet?
http://www.cambriabike.com/Images/product/catamont_blu-blk_sm.jpg

The crazy thing is, I still ride one of these (sometimes).

Up until recently, CBO had a couple of those for sale (or maybe they still do). The last price I saw for the frames was $149 !

08-05-2005, 01:37 PM

There has got to be some crazy old stuff out of Germany. Whos got the collection of old magazines! Somebody must!

Zutroy

08-05-2005, 01:41 PM

There has got to be some crazy old stuff out of Germany. Whos got the collection of old magazines! Somebody must!

I was looking for mine, they're in a box somewhere.

OGRipper

08-05-2005, 01:51 PM

I was looking for mine, they're in a box somewhere.

Not THOSE magazines, we're talking about bike mags. :sneaky:

Transcend

08-05-2005, 01:52 PM

There has got to be some crazy old stuff out of Germany. Whos got the collection of old magazines! Somebody must!

In mine, they are mostly pretty hairy and wearing gasmasks.

Mackie

08-05-2005, 01:53 PM

Up until recently, CBO had a couple of those for sale (or maybe they still do). The last price I saw for the frames was $149 !

They still have 'em. I stole their picture.

oly

08-05-2005, 01:56 PM

I vote this should be a sticky.

PsychO!1

08-05-2005, 02:18 PM

I had a Control Tech URT. I think they were making them for Schwinn and/or Ibis and made a few extras and put their decals on them.
I thought then and still think now it was a great trail bike. The only problem I had with it (besides no disc tabs) was the shock location. You only had about 1-1/2" of seatpost adjustment.

I still have, and ride, my Schwinn Homegrown. I still think it's a great trail bike.

Mutt

08-05-2005, 03:14 PM

Here is on of my favorites, an old kawasaki, and an old full suspension from Thick Bikes. Notice the latter has horizontal drop outs. It was designed for use with a nexus hub.

MVRIDER

08-05-2005, 03:18 PM

They still have 'em. I stole their picture.

LOL!! That's f-n hysterical. Has the price gone down any more? Are they now offering to pay someone $149 to take them off their hands!!

RD3

08-05-2005, 03:47 PM

Transcend,
Here are some new pics of your old bike. No more big fork up front, head angle is slacker with the 24" rear and suspension set in the slackest setting, Risse made a stronger lower seat support. It rides pretty good, with its current build I use it mostly as a trail bike.

http://home.comcast.net/~davisr33/mtbikes/risse_lassen_redux1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~davisr33/mtbikes/risse_lassen_redux2.jpg

Transcend

08-05-2005, 03:48 PM

Sweet, thanks for posting man. I have been waiting awhile to see these. The geometry seems to work about 1000x better with that fork. good to see they made you a stronger seat tower and got you a new sticker kit too. You have no idea how much i asked for a stronger seat tower....

Transcend,
Here are some new pics of your old bike. No more big fork up front, head angle is slacker with the 24" rear and suspension set in the slackest setting, Risse made a stronger lower seat support. It rides pretty good, with its current build I use it mostly as a trail bike.

http://home.comcast.net/~davisr33/mtbikes/risse_lassen_redux1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~davisr33/mtbikes/risse_lassen_redux2.jpg

stiksandstones

08-05-2005, 04:47 PM

Here is the roach my chick won the world championships on;
http://www.leighdonovan.com/DSC02155.JPG

renegade999

08-05-2005, 04:51 PM

what shock is the back of Leigh's bike stik? looks super trick for that era.

stiksandstones

08-05-2005, 04:56 PM

The frame was nicolai, the shock was made by nicolai. The bike design was fair enough, the shock however was a total pile of garbage...I was just learning the basics of damper units in general so when I took it apart I had no idea wtf I was looking at. Karl (nicolai) left me with a box of spares, I used them up in 2 races, I was then having everyone and anyone try to repair them at every race. Hers actually blew up while she was warming up at the worlds, but she still won, with v brakes, no damping, no chain guide...yeah, Proud ;-)

08-05-2005, 06:58 PM

Here is the roach my chick won the world championships on;

Whoa. That is totally out of control.

Is there no top link on that bike?!

dw

stiksandstones

08-05-2005, 07:37 PM

Whoa. That is totally out of control.

Is there no top link on that bike?!

dw

seat stays were bolted to the shock, a trombone shock....yeah, it was sweet-NOT.

But Leigh and Lopes won the DH title on those (the real title too, not the 1st american bullsh1t..and Leighs worlds title) goes to show, its the pilot not the jet.

RaID

08-05-2005, 08:05 PM

RD3

08-05-2005, 08:17 PM

that actually looks like a pretty sweet bike
with that setup

Thanks.
If feels nice and compact. I would compare how it fits to a brooklyn mini-link. Its very adjustable too, headangle, bb, wheelbase. Like Transcend said the different selection of dropouts is cool.

Just James

08-05-2005, 09:36 PM

Some old shots for ya!

http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_145.jpg

I have some old MBA's i'll have to scan....good thread though...love the old skool DH bike!
That Marin was my DREAM bike back in the day. I remember Earthquake Jake had a super-custom on, the Ti frame, but he had Mag 21 SL-Ti rear shocks on his, since he was sponsored by Rock Shox. Super, super cool stuff!

On another note, anyone remember the Crossland frame? 4" of travel rear, looked kinda like a San Andreas. Plus they made their own fork, a 4" travel beast with super-big (for then) stantions, and an unheard-of 4" of travel. That was one of the coolest bikes I can remember seeing back then...couldn't find a pic on google, anyone have more luck than me?

JJames

Transcend

08-05-2005, 09:56 PM

Thanks.
If feels nice and compact. I would compare how it fits to a brooklyn mini-link. Its very adjustable too, headangle, bb, wheelbase. Like Transcend said the different selection of dropouts is cool.

Ya, I would actually love to give it a ride like that. Seems like the geometry is MUCH better suited to the short fork. I have them exact angles to use and lengths - all they had to do was take into account the fork height. Guess it never happenned.

Toshi

08-05-2005, 10:16 PM

On another note, anyone remember the Crossland frame? 4" of travel rear, looked kinda like a San Andreas. Plus they made their own fork, a 4" travel beast with super-big (for then) stantions, and an unheard-of 4" of travel. That was one of the coolest bikes I can remember seeing back then...couldn't find a pic on google, anyone have more luck than me?

JJames
yes! i remember that. had a HUGE air bladder looking rear shock... i wanted one. :)

MMcG

08-05-2005, 11:24 PM

nice call with the slingshot...you wouldn't catch me on one of those things ever, so sketchy.

I'd ride one of those Slingshots. Hell when I raced the 24 Hours of Adrenaline at Dalton there were several riders using them and all of them were wicked fast!

Or Maybe I'm just wicked slow. :think:

Bicyclist

08-06-2005, 01:23 AM

Does anyone have pictures of a "slingshot?"

trailhacker

08-06-2005, 01:38 AM

Does anyone have pictures of a "slingshot?"
Yes, go back a few pages. I think Velocity girl posted it.

trailhacker

08-06-2005, 01:49 AM

My first FS bike was an AMP (B2?). I cracked the weld on the seatstay in like 6 weeks. Got a whole new frame. Cracked the headtube about one month after I got that frame. Dude that sold it to me kept hyping about how you could just rail stairs and wouldn't even feel them.
While waiting for my 3rd warranty frame I was talking to the guy that owned another shop. He just happened to also be the #2 guy at Marin back then. He offered to get me a Marin Ti Team FRS for a super good deal. He told me it was the same frame that Earthquake Jake was running and he never broke his (I found out later this wasn't exactly true).
That turned out to be my first DH race bike and oddly enough after blowing out all my elastomers (again) I still hadn't sold this brand new AMP frame so I raced it at a few races and was blown away by how much better that pinner little coil shock felt compared to the elastomers.
My buddy still has that bike as far as I know. I should go take a picture of it. Ti marin frame, ano red Machine Tech brakes, the first Ringle Superbubba hubs, Mavic Energy touring rims, Ringle stem and Mobey post. I was (and still am) a chi-chi whore!
That Marin was my DREAM bike back in the day. I remember Earthquake Jake had a super-custom on, the Ti frame, but he had Mag 21 SL-Ti rear shocks on his, since he was sponsored by Rock Shox. Super, super cool stuff!

On another note, anyone remember the Crossland frame? 4" of travel rear, looked kinda like a San Andreas. Plus they made their own fork, a 4" travel beast with super-big (for then) stantions, and an unheard-of 4" of travel. That was one of the coolest bikes I can remember seeing back then...couldn't find a pic on google, anyone have more luck than me?

JJames

xy9ine

08-06-2005, 02:50 AM

On another note, anyone remember the Crossland frame? 4" of travel rear, looked kinda like a San Andreas. Plus they made their own fork, a 4" travel beast with super-big (for then) stantions, and an unheard-of 4" of travel. That was one of the coolest bikes I can remember seeing back then...couldn't find a pic on google, anyone have more luck than me?

JJames
crosstrac?
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Crosstrac1.jpg

Just James

08-06-2005, 02:54 AM

crosstrac?
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/_borders/Crosstrac1.jpg
God, YES! That was it! Shoot.
Man, I wanted that bike soooo badly. 4" front and rear, super long travel back in the day. Guess I've always been more of a DH kinda guy, even way back then...

Just James

08-06-2005, 02:58 AM

My first FS bike was an AMP (B2?). I cracked the weld on the seatstay in like 6 weeks. Got a whole new frame. Cracked the headtube about one month after I got that frame. Dude that sold it to me kept hyping about how you could just rail stairs and wouldn't even feel them.
While waiting for my 3rd warranty frame I was talking to the guy that owned another shop. He just happened to also be the #2 guy at Marin back then. He offered to get me a Marin Ti Team FRS for a super good deal. He told me it was the same frame that Earthquake Jake was running and he never broke his (I found out later this wasn't exactly true).
That turned out to be my first DH race bike and oddly enough after blowing out all my elastomers (again) I still hadn't sold this brand new AMP frame so I raced it at a few races and was blown away by how much better that pinner little coil shock felt compared to the elastomers.
My buddy still has that bike as far as I know. I should go take a picture of it. Ti marin frame, ano red Machine Tech brakes, the first Ringle Superbubba hubs, Mavic Energy touring rims, Ringle stem and Mobey post. I was (and still am) a chi-chi whore!
I rocked an AMP B-3 for a while, did my first DH race on it too, with a Judy DH (with an SL crown with the Ti bolts, and a super-rare WTB machined fork brace) and Magura hydro brakes.

Any chance you buddy might want to sell that bike? Or at least the frameset or anything? I've always, always wanted one, just like the Grafton Re-Entry levers and Mag Lite brakes, which I now own. Now that I have the money to buy things, I'm trying to go back and reward myself for rocking Exage crap on my bike in the early 90s because I was a poor high school student.
Anyway, I'd be super-interested if he would consider it...

JJames

SuspectDevice

08-06-2005, 06:48 AM

http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_145.jpg

Ah the Helen, GA '94 dh course.... That would be the place to find all sorts of roachie bikes... Like the Miyata's Herbold was riding at the time that were hardtails with the back end sawed off, some bushings brazed on, and an elastomer up by the seatstay. My 14 yearold mine was utterly confused when HB described doing this in his garage to me... The bigger bike, like the one BCD posted up in his show booth was similarly made out of a rigid front triangle, but the shock was made by Arlo Englund.

J5ive

08-06-2005, 08:08 AM

Everyone likes pics ;)

http://www.poshbikes.com/images_new/products/porsche_3_l.jpg
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/RS1Side.JPG
http://www.bike123.com/images/Cdales/cdaleSI2000.jpg
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/dsuntook/2004/12/19/imgp0104.jpg
http://www.spokes-women.com/images/weird-bikes/wooden_bike_germany.jpg
German, but perhaps not DW was after? ;)

I just found some old mags too... hehe

J5ive

08-06-2005, 08:22 AM

Heres some points of interest in my early dirts and 97 mags

bcd

08-06-2005, 08:30 AM

narlus

08-06-2005, 09:16 AM

any pictures of the Boulder (Starship?) w/ the rear shock integrated into the top tube? kinda similar to the Balfa Bel-Air, but about a half decade or more earlier.

bcd

08-06-2005, 11:04 AM

found this on nicos site

i think it was the biek he won JR worlds on
before he road a lobo

http://www.nicolasvouilloz.com/images/vtt1.jpg

deweydude

08-06-2005, 11:29 AM

Here is on of my favorites, an old kawasaki, and an old full suspension from Thick Bikes. Notice the latter has horizontal drop outs. It was designed for use with a nexus hub.

The first suspension bike :nuts:
My buddy had one of those old Kawasaki bikes when we were kids back in the 70's and we are still riding together today. thanks for the pic I'll have to show it to him.

stiksandstones

08-06-2005, 11:51 AM

i wish i hade a pic of miles rockwells bolder he raced with. around 93-95?

the boulder had like 2.5 in the back with a actiontec head tube shock

with like 3'', then below that he PUT A MAG 20!! for like 5.5 ''!

That boulder that Myles rode was about 4 years ahead of his time-so much travel, I remember sitting on it and it felt so awesome, I am sure if I sat on it now I would laugh. I rode it in Durango 92'....wicked bike.

Zutroy

08-06-2005, 01:52 PM

Some more old Stuff

http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/10102Oldbikes.jpg

The 1995 GT LTS DH and Super V DHs

As well as the bonus of Philippe Perakis kicking it old school down Cap D'Ail the old old old old course.

Dan-Rides-Bikes

08-06-2005, 02:08 PM

That Marin was my DREAM bike back in the day. I remember Earthquake Jake had a super-custom on, the Ti frame, but he had Mag 21 SL-Ti rear shocks on his, since he was sponsored by Rock Shox. Super, super cool stuff!

On another note, anyone remember the Crossland frame? 4" of travel rear, looked kinda like a San Andreas. Plus they made their own fork, a 4" travel beast with super-big (for then) stantions, and an unheard-of 4" of travel. That was one of the coolest bikes I can remember seeing back then...couldn't find a pic on google, anyone have more luck than me?

JJames

its a Manitou, not a Marin

TWISTED

08-06-2005, 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=J5ive]Everyone likes pics ;)

http://www.poshbikes.com/images_new/products/porsche_3_l.jpg
Heh, we're still making those Porsche bikes. I think Porsche planned to strap them to the tops of their new S.U.V.'s so they could drive around and look HARDCORE!!! :p

JohnnyBoyDH

08-06-2005, 06:33 PM

http://www.johnnyboy.ca/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_145.jpg

Ah the Helen, GA '94 dh course.....

That pic was me at the 1995 World Cup @ Mount Snow VT. It is a Manitou not a Marin.

JohnnyBoyDH

08-06-2005, 06:36 PM

Oh yeah, that pic of Phillippe "Parakeet" Parakis on a Sunn bike with the squeaky Formula brakes (bad ass bike of the time) and in Cap D'Ail to boot is BAD ASS...I don't know how that little dude went so fast with so much armour on! Fiesty little bastard too...He led a few of us into an almost boy-cott at the Big Bear WC one year when they ****ed up the registation of the international riders. HA HA good times!

Rockland

08-06-2005, 06:58 PM

I remembered a couple from way back

The Buell designed bike podiumed @ the '91 worlds.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/17/10552.jpg

Rockland

08-06-2005, 07:20 PM

I'm trying to find pics of the bike this fork was on.
The Monolith frame was pretty crazy looking.

http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/66/66/82_1_b.JPG

bcd

08-06-2005, 11:02 PM

I remembered a couple from way back

The Buell designed bike podiumed @ the '91 worlds.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/17/10552.jpg

yeah it was ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

.........................

glen adams. i think he got a bronze metal.

albert iten,
JT then glen

trailhacker

08-07-2005, 03:24 AM

I can ask him if he wanted to get rid of it? I think he might still owe me some money for it too!?!
After that bike I got a Marin Team DH (1997?) with a whopping 5-1/2" travel- the one with the red mainframe and a black rear-end. That was the frame Marla was riding (ummm Marla :heart: ...) but the factory people got a white mainframe with an orange rear to match the Manitou forks. My buddy still has (had) THAT frame too?
He doesn't ride much but he sort of collects wierd stuff. He has some almost vintage road stuff, some older mt bikes and last I talked to him about 7 iguanas and some other various reptiles. Seems people think they will make great pets but once they get a little bigger and more agressive they end up giving them to him.
If you are serious send me a PM and I will give him a call on Tuesday - going to Cypress (outside Vancouver) tomorrow and then up to Whistler to ride on monday.
I rocked an AMP B-3 for a while, did my first DH race on it too, with a Judy DH (with an SL crown with the Ti bolts, and a super-rare WTB machined fork brace) and Magura hydro brakes.

Any chance you buddy might want to sell that bike? Or at least the frameset or anything? I've always, always wanted one, just like the Grafton Re-Entry levers and Mag Lite brakes, which I now own. Now that I have the money to buy things, I'm trying to go back and reward myself for rocking Exage crap on my bike in the early 90s because I was a poor high school student.
Anyway, I'd be super-interested if he would consider it...

JJames

Orvan

08-07-2005, 06:12 AM

Not quite old but it's a derivative of the Vario Techno that Be One used for their team before they adopted the current Be One Team DH.. Finally got one after years of wanting it...actually 3 of them. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00nstr1.jpg

Dave (dw), I found the backup disc of my old webpage (for those old enough to remember BadMofo's site- Gravity's Native Son)...you owe me like some schwag and like stuff. I dug deep for these ones and it's 3AM. :p

speaking of Be One..
This was the Vario Techno version of the Be One.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Beone.jpg

Alex, I hope the H20 bottle cage was made of carbon too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Mvc-169f.jpg

Lenz Sport... sex wax not included.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Brwlr2.jpg

Avanti D8... lawn mower engine sold separately.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Avantid8.jpg

My very first DH race rig.
McMahon (MRC) B.U.F.F. -Big Ugly Fat F*cker ...Used "live eyelet design" that is still being somewhat used on recent FS designs.. This frame made me hate bushings for life....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/01BUFFFRAME.gif

Jan knew how to be subtle..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/1skapiel.jpg

I still want the one of these old Octane DH frames from Scott.. very adjustable.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/1sscott.jpg

Speaking of my old website, I used to have this page that showed my bike build.
The spec kist was from my very first "sponsor" race bike. Note that from the specs, I'm still running the front Hadley hub, Hope DH4 (first gen), Hutchinson Jumbos and 321 rims to this very day.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00parts.gif

I'm beat... but I've got many many more bike pics.
Latez

edit: Just James -still have your "Giant" DH frame?? I'm interested.. :)

BrayDownhill

08-07-2005, 07:17 AM

Just James

08-07-2005, 03:28 PM

its a Manitou, not a Marin
Whoops, yeah, you're right. But I still drooled over the Ti Marin more than just about any bike...

Orvan-
Yeah, I've still got the frame, it's in the workstand next to me, with one of Myles Rockwell's "Le System" Michelin wheels in it. Pays to be in good with the team mechanics. Now if I could only figure out how the hell it works...

JJames

Orvan

08-07-2005, 03:32 PM

I've always wanted one of those frames too, they're so beautiful and look amazing with the dorados.

If you've got a Sunn Radical Plus frameset or a Scott Octane DH frameset, I'd be interested to trade one of these..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00b1x2.jpg

The rocker link plates are getting beefed up from stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00b1x.jpg

stik...getting into the sport, I've always liked this pic of Leigh..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/BETTYDONOVAN.jpg

MikeD

08-07-2005, 03:47 PM

Orven...no pics of your old Storm?

Orvan

08-07-2005, 03:53 PM

Orven...no pics of your old Storm?

see in the background of the Be Ones... It's actually a Storm rearend mated to a custom Rock Lobsters/Ahrens front triangle. Just scruffing some funds to get a deepcup headset and I'll build it back up again since I have a spare durdado. It's a fun corner-worker frame.

stiksandstones

08-07-2005, 04:06 PM

Whats up Orvan...I always loved that pic too, loved that Red white and blue gear we all designed too. That chromo bike shes on in that pic, was some taiwanese goose roach we found in the warehouse, it was ritchey tubing XC bike, we put it together for a pit bike, but she loved it, made it her slalom bike that year, won a lot of races on it. Yay for Taiwan. (Need more run on sentences?)

partsbara

08-07-2005, 05:15 PM

yeah ozzer... nice one... i m old enuff to remember the 'fave soda cans' :thumb: ... good webpage, especially considering the vintage...

personally i think the first gen DH04 is the best brake ever made...

still have one myself... run it on the DOC

good thread... wish i had some pictures of my atx990 that was converted to DH weaponry :rolleyes: ... unfortunately they are all hard copies back in oz...

2piece

08-07-2005, 07:22 PM

If you've got a Sunn Radical Plus frameset or a Scott Octane DH frameset, I'd be interested to trade one of these..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00b1x2.jpg

The rocker link plates are getting beefed up from stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00b1x.jpg

stik...getting into the sport, I've always liked this pic of Leigh..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/BETTYDONOVAN.jpg

Dude, you need a garage or a work shop ;)

sleepinggiant

08-07-2005, 08:39 PM

Linkage fork from LOOK
http://www.totalbike.com/articles/images/la_show/look_fork.jpg

AMP bike
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/Amp.JPG

Cave Dweller

08-07-2005, 08:58 PM

no plans, just history. http://www.evilbikes.com/empire_story.htm

Hmmm.......

http://www.evilbikes.com/images/about/wireframe_large.jpg

http://www.sinisterbikes.com/images/MX_closeup.jpg

Yeti DHer

08-07-2005, 09:18 PM

Sea Otter 2002 - A wierd fox shock.

vitox

08-07-2005, 09:25 PM

this one is very similar to that MRC mr zaragoza posted.

probably from around 98

vitox

08-07-2005, 09:27 PM

here is one that isnt that old but i think that was the final version of a very similar bike they started making circa 95

not german but very eurocomplex nonetheless

vitox

08-07-2005, 09:30 PM

this one i really like but havent had the pleasure of seeing one in person.

i like steel in dh bikes.

its from new zealand i suppose?

Cave Dweller

08-07-2005, 10:11 PM

Old school iron horse SGS. Super steep head angle and super high botttom bracket.

bcd

08-07-2005, 10:20 PM

http://bcdracing.com/history/2x4/2x4old.jpg

old 2x4

no pulley

whack 2-1
and 4-1
shock rates

carbon front disc.

i shredded it

68deg head angle :confused:

Percy

08-07-2005, 10:21 PM

this one i really like but havent had the pleasure of seeing one in person.

i like steel in dh bikes.

its from new zealand i suppose?
Yep its from New Zealand allllllrighty. :)

A couple of guys I ride with have them, they're pretty indestructable.

That Ancilotti has a very similar linkage, but then so do most MX bikes!

Jm_

08-08-2005, 12:31 AM

this one is very similar to that MRC mr zaragoza posted.

probably from around 98
Ha, cool. I've been looking for a picture of the "Battle Axe" for a while, I wanted that frame bad. It had 1" square stays, which when you consider a completely square structure, made em pretty massive.

vitox

08-08-2005, 12:35 AM

Yep its from New Zealand allllllrighty. :)

A couple of guys I ride with have them, they're pretty indestructable.

That Ancilotti has a very similar linkage, but then so do most MX bikes!

lotsa weird bikes coming out of new zealand, maybe its because theyre upside down.

hey way, im upside down too, maybe i should post some local contraptions.

nah, better get back with the weird suspension stuff.

here is one i only have this pic of, never seen any more of it although wheeler is huge in europa. maybe its vaporware.

vitox

08-08-2005, 12:37 AM

this pic i think i got from orvens site, looks like a zulu dont it?

Jm_

08-08-2005, 12:51 AM

My old 1998 Rocky Mountain DH Race. Bustin the Mammoths, 99 Boxxer, magura HS33s, Kooka cranks...

In 99 I got the boxxer, in 98 I had the Xvert R on it. I learned that the Xvert R did not like to be dropped off loading docks, as the plastic internals would all jam together...

Transcend

08-08-2005, 01:11 AM

This thread rules. I can't wait to find a picture of my pro dymanix to scan. Nuevo DHM.

Orvan

08-08-2005, 02:01 AM

Orvan-
Yeah, I've still got the frame, it's in the workstand next to me, with one of Myles Rockwell's "Le System" Michelin wheels in it. Pays to be in good with the team mechanics. Now if I could only figure out how the hell it works...

JJames

So are we dealin or are we dealin? :)

I'll prolly not dig too much deeper.. Too many pics. I did find some cool old photos like that of my first ever podium at Squaw Valley in 99 during the WC with two flat tires and no chain. Good old sports class days.

Boulder Wild Thing..wild alright.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/BOULDERWILDTHING.gif

I was like, if Bianchi made that in Ti, I want one -with matching Bianchi road saddle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Bianchi.jpg

Benest.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Benest.jpg

This is me at Annadel State Park when I converted my MRC BUFF to a trail bike. I liked that old Z1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Annadel.jpg

Razok Rock's Anti "PASTA" dh fork. Carbon uppers.. couldn't have ridden that bad and as flexy as a pasta noodle..It really felt like crap. It was a good billboard for their 20mm razor rock hub though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/AntiPastaHF.jpg

Mandatory Be One..sorry but I'm a fan.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/BEONEBIKE.jpg

The Vario Techno
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/variobig_6.jpg

I almost bought one but when I got near getting all my funds, Chuck went out of biznezz...Nooooooo!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Cr-fslt.jpg

James, let's talk. Let's deal yo!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Giantfr.jpg

Sunn Proto.. I want.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/SunnProto.jpg

98 Sunn Radical
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/rad98.jpg

Kestrel Rubicon DH.. I had my Kestrel catalog indexed to this frame's page. ahahahaha
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Rubiconcompfsdh.jpg

Wheeler.. wheeler had some really good value bike lineup like KHS does nowadays.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/wheel9000dzx.jpg

Ram 9.. a local Sacto builder jimmied this one up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/1sram9.jpg

This one was up there on my list until KHS/Pacific ruined my fantasy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/1smosley.jpg

Arrow was just not pleasant in frame building.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Arrowfs.gif

How many remember this 99 Intense Prototype. Only second frame than the Be One to use 100mm xtr BB.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/99proto.jpg

Pre-swiss cheese Sintesi Bazooka. I remember when the Sintesi showed up at Big Bear WC when they had matching green Super T lowers.. I wanted those green Super T. Corrado Herin, ale' ale' ale'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00zooka.jpg

Me, just today, riding on LOOnatic's 70's (I think) Kawasaki 80.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/00mx3.jpg

I'm still looking for orange color saddles!!!!!

Banga

08-08-2005, 03:04 AM

"Only second frame than the Be One to use 100mm xtr BB"

Foes also used a 100mm XTR bb for a couple of their team bikes,
but I think they just made up custom axles with the standard adjustable cups for theres.

08-08-2005, 07:42 AM

Some Japanese bike | Avalanche Team bike 2000? | Nico VPROCESSZ

MikeD

08-08-2005, 07:46 AM

Avalanche Team bike 2000?

Yep, a Cortina.

08-08-2005, 08:36 AM

Yep, a Cortina.

The year was the part in question, The bike had a custom linkage and front triangle to work with the 11.25X3 stroke shock. Pretty crazy at the time. Heavy but it rode butter smooth.

scottishmark

08-08-2005, 08:38 AM

New:

http://www.bikelab.fi/tuotteiden_kuvat/sintesi/bazooka_thumb.jpg

Old:

http://www.kcn.ne.jp/~vp-gyro/dhmania/sintesi/bazooka00_1.jpg

Older:

http://www.dh-zone.com/testy/d_bazooka6.jpg

Oldest (the world cup winner):

http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-25%2022.22.17%20-0800/Image-F5695F4D6F6111D9.jpg

http://www.h-shop.jp/change/005.jpg

BrayDownhill

08-08-2005, 08:42 AM

Oldest (the world cup winner):

http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-25%2022.22.17%20-0800/Image-F5695F4D6F6111D9.jpg

I still have one of those, was such a fun bike to ride,would love to build it into a trail bike but the back end is bent like crazy. Won my first race on one of them, they were perfect for the not so steep Irish tracks.

Spunger

08-08-2005, 01:18 PM

The year was the part in question, The bike had a custom linkage and front triangle to work with the 11.25X3 stroke shock. Pretty crazy at the time. Heavy but it rode butter smooth.

I dunno if it qualify's as a weird or old suspension bike as I think they still make them. Basicly unchanged but maybe some bearing upgrades. Here in Santa Barbara they use to be the frames to get. Great family and good frames........but I think when other California based frame builders went mainstream (Intense, Turner, Santa Cruz etc....) it sorta knocked them off the local map for good. If only they could chime in on this thread I bet they have some old and obscure pics of bikes. I remember as a kid Dan always would be riding a different one down the street etc..... with those old XYZ Bullet Bro's forks. Some good times for sure!

Secret Squirrel

08-08-2005, 01:40 PM

That old Japanese bike that DW posted scares me bad....I've never been a big fan of exposed shocks...especially right there.... :eek: One rock and you can kiss 300+ bucks goodbye!!

This is an awesome thread!!! I luv seeing all the old and eclectic stuff!!! I think I still want some of those bikes to ride around on just to kick it old-skool style!!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Inclag

08-08-2005, 02:16 PM

http://www.greenspeed.com.au/NewGSweb/web-content/australia/paul/images/downhill.jpg

Leave it to the Japanese
http://www.mds.co.jp/hp/topic/bikeshow/osaka99/l_images/kowal.jpg
http://www.mds.co.jp/hp/topic/bikeshow/osaka99/l_images/cyclewoldl.jpg
Looks a little like the first Turner Highline Proto
http://www.mds.co.jp/hp/topic/bikeshow/osaka99/l_images/nabel.jpg

This was discussed on RM this past winter I believe.
http://www.uni-weimar.de/rundgang/zr2003/bilder/praesentationen/0007_ipo90_low.jpg

Is Hot Chili still around?
http://www.geocities.jp/itijiku40/DH_BIKE/new3.JPG

An interesting dh bike from Italy
http://www.h3ostore.com/racebike/drdh3.jpg

Old Scott
http://www.chez.com/speed/lsdpro.jpg

Inclag

08-08-2005, 02:32 PM

I don't even know what to say about this
http://web.ticino.com/rupabiker/tecnica/bike/dm-90.jpg

Transcend

08-08-2005, 02:35 PM

Heh - that main frame is a Nuevo DNM - also branded as a pro dynamix.

No idea why the funky linkage fork.

vitox

08-08-2005, 03:31 PM

ill pay one buck more than orven for that sunn frame, just in case a euro monkey finds one.

orven: a friend of mine has one of the latest scott octane dh thats broken in the head tube area where that wacky head angle adjustment thing is.
im trying to get a replacement, but its going to be tough, anyways let me know if you have any interest in it as it is or if it gets replaced.

heres a storm dressed up in 99 fashion

08-08-2005, 04:09 PM

zedro

08-08-2005, 04:38 PM

http://www.uni-weimar.de/rundgang/zr2003/bilder/praesentationen/0007_ipo90_low.jpg

whoa, thats cool.

where was that discussed?

Always been intrigued by linkage forks...

edit: OK disregard, seems to be an art project, a cool one though.

we were trying to figure out how the damn thing worked. Seems to be modelled after BMWs linkage forks. Think it was a little more than an 'art' project

Zark

08-08-2005, 04:39 PM

The year was the part in question, The bike had a custom linkage and front triangle to work with the 11.25X3 stroke shock. Pretty crazy at the time. Heavy but it rode butter smooth.

I think it was '99-2000 era. I remember Adrian riding one with the original C-cycle fork (later called Avalanche I believe). It was an absolute tank in the mid 50's but could ride over anything.

zedro

08-08-2005, 04:40 PM

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79434

probably the nicest looking truss style mainframe i've seen...the rest looks poopy tho....

08-08-2005, 04:50 PM

we were trying to figure out how the damn thing worked. Seems to be modelled after BMWs linkage forks. Think it was a little more than an 'art' project

it looks to work exactly like the BMW forks. Did you check out the other stuff on the link? Its part of an exhibition of class projects from an art school. The industrial designers at my school were very creative with foam and everything else they could get their hands on in the same way. One guy made a whole jet ski prototype. You would have never known it wasnt real if you didnt help move it...

Didint take away from its coolness though.

Dave

stinkyboy

08-08-2005, 05:06 PM

i so wanted one of those Klein FS bikes...... GLad i didnt ever get one.

Stinkyboy's rocks!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/stinkyboy/Biking%20Photos/mantra.jpg

RhinofromWA

08-08-2005, 05:08 PM

RhinofromWA

08-08-2005, 05:17 PM

I can never find a pic of that Alex Pong Cannondale when I want one. It's like it was made by aliens and all the pics are in Area 54 or something. Cool thread. How about this one:(Warning: Name dropping to commence)

Saw Mr Pong last Memorial Day weekend. He was riding a KTM 250 4 stroke. :D If you liked his MTB creation you should have seen his modified Cagiva 125cc MX bike. One sided fork (2 forkes mounted on one side) and a single sided rear swing arm where the sproket also doubled as a rear disk....all home made on his CNC machine. He was working on an engine (more like a rotory airplane engine) before he cut back on inventing.

:D

Spitfired

08-08-2005, 05:26 PM

What ever happened to Sunn? Those older Radical frames are awesome.

Inclag

08-08-2005, 05:53 PM

What ever happened to Sunn? Those older Radical frames are awesome.

They are still around www.sunnbicycle.com, but I'm not sure of they are the same company they once were (think schwinn and gt).

My first full suspension bike was actually a Sunn XCHOX that they were selling at airbomb for ultra cheap. It was the same year as this one.

http://sangliersroulants.free.fr/velos/gregoire.jpg

JohnnyBoyDH

08-08-2005, 06:13 PM

What ever happened to Sunn? Those older Radical frames are awesome.

Max Commencal and I think Oliver Bossard were I think the original Sunn guys. Max started Commencal Bikes www.commencal.com and Oliver started BOS Engineering www.bos-engineering.com.

Jm_

08-08-2005, 10:12 PM

I'm gunna put a request out.

Nolan One-Off

Find it. :D

Cave Dweller

08-08-2005, 10:23 PM

Avanti Moto pro, used an ohlins moto shock. This is one of Nathan Rennies old bikes (thats why he is so fast, imagine DH'ing this thing, what a tank!)

http://www.nathanrennie.net/avanti01.jpg http://www.nathanrennie.net/avanti02.jpg

zedro

08-08-2005, 10:26 PM

I'm gunna put a request out.

Nolan One-Off

Find it. :D

thats the all machined billet one right? i wanna see it too

Orvan

08-09-2005, 01:51 AM

hellonasty

08-09-2005, 09:16 AM

Here's a shot of the Slingshot bike,
Famous Foes LTS-16 and an ugly Kona Sex-2 (circa 1995)

wydopen

08-09-2005, 06:52 PM

I dunno if it qualify's as a weird or old suspension bike as I think they still make them. Basicly unchanged but maybe some bearing upgrades. Here in Santa Barbara they use to be the frames to get. Great family and good frames........but I think when other California based frame builders went mainstream (Intense, Turner, Santa Cruz etc....) it sorta knocked them off the local map for good. If only they could chime in on this thread I bet they have some old and obscure pics of bikes. I remember as a kid Dan always would be riding a different one down the street etc..... with those old XYZ Bullet Bro's forks. Some good times for sure!

dude they have a stack of old frames from the 90's ...some really old ones with rise elastomer shocks...mabye adrian will snap a few pics and post em ill ask him today

Repack

08-09-2005, 08:25 PM

No, this is sadly not a joke. Less humorous is the fact that this dude dresses like this every day of the years and smells it. He was the victim of some sort of head trauma although there is debate over exactly what kind. The leading two exaplanations are that he had a nervous breakdown during Air Force basic training and a motorcycle accident of some sort. He hates Irish people b/c an Irish cop took his guns away. This pic was taken at the Cycle Loft in Burlington, MA. Enjoy.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9608/5crazykylejpg6xc.jpg

/\/\att

08-09-2005, 08:53 PM

i though i would post up some pics of my old frame i found i still have it

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6471/10010471jw.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10010471jw.jpg)

click it to make it big

GumbaFish

08-09-2005, 09:20 PM

this thread is awesome

jasonw111

08-09-2005, 09:50 PM

f*uck yeah this thread is awesome

peter6061

08-09-2005, 10:59 PM

RaID

08-09-2005, 11:24 PM

New:

Oldest (the world cup winner):

http://homepage.mac.com/kakuito/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-25%2022.22.17%20-0800/Image-F5695F4D6F6111D9.jpg

i used to drool over this bike, seemed like the perfect bike for me at the time

there was still one floating around in adelaide in green with mathcing Marzocchi lowers

i say we request a sticky for this thread

meatboot

08-09-2005, 11:37 PM

Dunno if Lawills count as "obscure" considering the length of the Rotec thread, but check out that chain ring!

Repack

08-09-2005, 11:45 PM

This thread kicks a whole buncha ass!

bballe336

08-10-2005, 12:32 AM

wow. that yeti is so cool. where chainrings like that ever popular?

Transcend

08-10-2005, 12:43 AM

Curly's speed record bike rules. Risse terminator shock and all.

Ciaran

08-10-2005, 12:45 AM

meatboot

08-10-2005, 12:56 AM

wow. that yeti is so cool. where chainrings like that ever popular?

That bike was set up for speed record riding, you know charging down a ski slope at mach 11. Although back in the day chainrings with tooth counts in the mid sixties were not uncommon.

Jimmy Deaton ran some big rings.

http://www.yetifan.com/deatonsasws.jpg
http://www.yetifan.com/deatonmammothws.jpg
http://www.mtnbikehalloffame.com/images/members/Photo77-2.jpg

I've always liked that last picture. I remember when it first came out, even though I was a full on XC head back then. I guess Jimmy was ahead of his time, check out the knee gaskets and skate helmet.

I think this bike was also for a special event, either Kamikaze or maybe a speed record -- is that snow on the rear tire?

http://www.yetifan.com/yeti-colin-baileyws.jpg

Edited b/c I forgot the tags.

stiksandstones

08-10-2005, 01:52 AM

if any collector freak is interested, I still have a few HUGE paragon rings here and custom MRP for up to 65t ring...once my riders found out you dont need bigger than a 50t to go fast down Kami, that stuff began collecting dust.

leprechaun

08-10-2005, 12:32 PM

My request is for someone to post a pic of a Foes Slammer one-off where it was leaf-sprung. If you have a copy of the flick Bragging Rights, it's shown on several clips of the leaf sprung Slammer in action (Deer Valley and Mount Snow). That thing looked so cool..

the time when canadians were still trying to figure frame outs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/DEKERFTEAMFS.jpg

Ionic Ion6. Actually it was built by Kinesis USA and still manufactured for Dagger.
I had one through a friend and it actually rode real nice for a very flexy bike.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/Ion6.jpg

Jan's VRS...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/shyrmp/Road%20Trips/KARPIELVRS.jpg

find that Foes Slammer leaf sprung pic.....

Finally! a pic of the Karpiel VRS. I was trying to find the brochure with my bike in it.
That bike changed my life.Adjustable rising rate linkage,and BB height-independently.

Notice the clamp on style bars a'la road race motorcycles-this was still the Kamakazi days,where aerodynamics were thought to be important.

Had 2 of those bikes in 96 and 97 before the Disco came about.

Best thread ever. Krispy

OGRipper

08-10-2005, 12:40 PM

Boing!!

CBJ

08-10-2005, 12:48 PM

Not that old, but I hoped at the time (1999), this bike would see production,.... or at least I could get a one sided rear end for mine.

Notice the custom made 'green machine' in the background of the second and third pictures. I don't know where my pics of that bad boy went. Too bad, it was sweet.

They had that GT in the window at Sids bike shop on 34st in NYC. Looks great but to me it was more a Cannondale can do single front and we can do single rear response from GT.

Toshi

08-10-2005, 12:49 PM

that bow ti is very cool :thumb: . possibly the only URT i truly lusted over...

kidwoo

08-10-2005, 12:52 PM

Finally! a pic of the Karpiel VRS.

Still a few of those floating around here. I see them at northstar every so often.

OGRipper

08-10-2005, 01:09 PM

that bow ti is very cool :thumb: . possibly the only URT i truly lusted over...

I rode a couple, the rear wheel never really felt like it was ever in the same plane as the front...but these were pretty rad for a URT:

DHS

08-10-2005, 01:15 PM

Not that old, but I hoped at the time (1999), this bike would see production,.... or at least I could get a one sided rear end for mine.

Notice the custom made 'green machine' in the background of the second and third pictures. I don't know where my pics of that bad boy went. Too bad, it was sweet.
damn i always wondered how a single sided swing arm would work. i want that.

DHS

08-10-2005, 01:18 PM

side note. i don't think the front der actually worked on this thing... i know the small ring is locked out but the middle still looks like it wouldn't work

http://www.yetifan.com/deatonsasws.jpg

zedro

08-10-2005, 04:12 PM

Not that old, but I hoped at the time (1999), this bike would see production,.... or at least I could get a one sided rear end for mine.

Notice the custom made 'green machine' in the background of the second and third pictures. I don't know where my pics of that bad boy went. Too bad, it was sweet.
seems that would belong nicely (well in theory) on their new IT bike

Zutroy

08-10-2005, 04:23 PM

side note. i don't think the front der actually worked on this thing... i know the small ring is locked out but the middle still looks like it wouldn't work.

No it wouldn't work to much of a jump. The Der is the chainguide. Love this old school stuff.

wydopen

08-10-2005, 06:11 PM

What's this Cortina, maybe a '99 or 2000 model? It's got old-school 24" wheels front and rear, Bender-style.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/market/photos/listings/large/e249096b19e82c0355ca6983a139966.JPG

The funny thing is it's for sale for $1,000 in the buy/sell section. Umm, sorry guy but that's about $800 more than it's worth, LOL.
:D

THAT THING WAS CUSTOM MADE FOR A LITTLE KID NOT "BENDER STYLE"

1000-Oaks

08-10-2005, 06:51 PM

Oh, my mistake then! Figured it was part of the 24" rage several years ago.

say 10

08-10-2005, 09:42 PM

I have a couple that I haven't seen posted yet

'00 KHS FXT LT3 is it's full glory. Seat tower is as far back as possible for a 21.75 top tube, that 100 mm stem really helped out. I couldn't find an older one of these.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9402/freak3fj.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7119/khsfxtlt38st.jpg

No Barracudas? My friend Mike's first fully, HS22's and the fork that stopped working after one week. URT baby!
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/74/cuda9xp.jpg

Some bikes in action from Mt Snow '01
Lahar
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5247/lahar6dm.jpg

Cannondale- Mr. Chase
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2264/cannondale5mx.jpg

Anne C.- practice run, cleaned yard sale with just a rear rim!
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7058/cannondale27rm.jpg

BCD
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3294/bcd6cp.jpg

Percy

08-10-2005, 09:44 PM

Woot!
That would be Timmy "Townace" Nelson on the Lahar I think. :)

Banga

08-11-2005, 05:57 AM

Woot!
That would be Timmy "Townace" Nelson on the Lahar I think. :)

nope, looks like beavis
that was when weazel, beavis and sisarich went over, well before tim rode for them.

Percy

08-11-2005, 08:10 AM

Yo shure?

Beavis is a lanky sukka, that dude dont look to lanky to me?

Could be Weazel though, meh who knows. :)

OGRipper

08-11-2005, 02:19 PM

What no Y bikes yet? Come on people keep this thread moving!

Lexx D

08-11-2005, 02:58 PM

Anne C.- practice run, cleaned yard sale with just a rear rim!
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7058/cannondale27rm.jpg

Hahahaha, i was at that race. That happened during her race run and she borrowed my friend's knife to cut the tire off.......We still have the tire somewhere.

RhinofromWA

08-11-2005, 04:33 PM

RhinofromWA

08-11-2005, 04:34 PM

Another

http://www.btt.com.ar/foto/o/10/70/1070935472_IMG00021.JPG

This one looks kinda like a Nicoli Lamba(sp?)

http://www.bike-magazin.de/archiv_test/fs_kategorien1001/dh.jpg

My favorite Old school (one of the original premade Dh bikes)
http://www.tine.at/private/bike/V4000-dh.jpg

J5ive

08-11-2005, 04:36 PM

Was that one also badged as a Coyote in the UK?

RhinofromWA

08-11-2005, 04:43 PM

Ba-da-bing!

All sorts of rigs I have never set eyes on....

http://www.afrobike.de/bilder/Eurobike-02/firebeast-prototyp.jpg

RhinofromWA

08-11-2005, 04:47 PM

HEy who asked for the NOLAN DH bike? I found a picture.......

It is the second picture on the top row.....you have to click on the small pic. Just happened on it by mistake. :D

That was a cool bike to look at.

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/DreamBikes.html

BuddhaRoadkill

08-11-2005, 04:49 PM

What no Y bikes yet? Come on people keep this thread moving!
I didn't think it was old enough to post ['99], but since you requested some Trek Madness ...

... and the best part? I will be riding it THIS weekend at whistler. :dancing:

RhinofromWA

08-11-2005, 04:59 PM

Anyone show the "Patriot" yet? Snowmobile shock and all.......couldn't find a picture. :(

Repack

08-11-2005, 05:28 PM

I didn't think it was old enough to post ['99], but since you requested some Trek Madness ...

... and the best part? I will be riding it THIS weekend at whistler. :dancing:
How many years did they make that for? I own a Med 1998 frame.

jell-oe

08-11-2005, 05:35 PM

Im still riding my trek frame. Im just wondering what year that frame is? cuase it the front end looks totaly weird :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/jelloe/tekframe.jpg

oly

08-11-2005, 06:14 PM

Anyone show the "Patriot" yet? Snowmobile shock and all.......couldn't find a picture. :(

http://www.thickbikes.com/images/gutlessplusside.jpg

Ta-ching!!

oly

08-11-2005, 06:19 PM

funny... searching CPC patriot on google found this from a year ago... probably alot of the same stuff being posted...
http://67.19.50.55/forums/showthread.php?p=1200903

vitox

08-11-2005, 10:50 PM

Im still riding my trek frame. Im just wondering what year that frame is? cuase it the front end looks totaly weird :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/jelloe/tekframe.jpg

its the same year as the others only its a small, really rare and probably the best of the breed because it lacks the signature ball crushing top tube

vitox

08-11-2005, 10:53 PM

Holy crap! I am not sure what that is.....or what to even say about it. Found it on a general search of DH bikes on MSN.com

:eek:

http://www.crazypages.de/bilder/bikes/outlaw-bike.jpg
http://www.crazypages.de/bilder/bikes/outlaw-bike.jpg

rhino

those are pacific generic bikes, that one is particularly nasty because it has some weird linkages going on that have the habit of collapsing.

the zenith is from the same page that brodie shops from.

Pat...

08-12-2005, 05:20 AM

Up until recently, CBO had a couple of those for sale (or maybe they still do). The last price I saw for the frames was $149 !

THey still have them. $149, $159, $169.

catamount urts at CBO (http://www.cambriabike.com/Images/product/catamount_frames.jpg)

scottishmark

08-12-2005, 05:33 AM

Was that one also badged as a Coyote in the UK?

yup thats a coyote DH1, i had a DH2 which was basically the same but without the crazy shocky (the pole and shock were one unit)

legend_killer

08-12-2005, 08:41 AM

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/Mvc-007f.jpg

legend_killer

08-12-2005, 08:44 AM

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/dom2.gif

RhinofromWA

08-15-2005, 05:38 PM

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/Mvc-007f.jpgLegend killer, you are the best!

I remember when that frame was on sale......Ebay or MTBR I can't remember...I wanted it soooooo bad.

Where did you find the picture? Or did you have it already?
Edit: Never mind ....different computer gave me a better look at the website I linked to before....it is off the same site. :o:

AR_

08-15-2005, 06:01 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ride1988/supertrucker1998.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ride1988/masterplan1999.jpg

Posting on Behalf of tmx. If they were posted earlier i apologise, but i can't be bothered searching, im far too busy wondering where my bikes gone from my garage.

Repack

08-15-2005, 06:36 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ride1988/masterplan1999.jpg

Posting on Behalf of tmx. If they were posted earlier i apologise, but i can't be bothered searching, im far too busy wondering where my bikes gone from my garage.
Isn't that a 9" Ti rotor in front? Or maybe a different size. Can't remember.

Jm_

08-15-2005, 08:03 PM

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/Mvc-007f.jpg
Fin A, that's what I'm talking about!

I was SOO close to buying it (and it looks like I'm not alone). I had to save my money for like two or three months longer, but I wanted that one pretty bad.

It was powdercoated orange a little while after, I definitely like the CNCed finish though.

What you can't see in the pic is the linkage arrangement, it actually had a floating shock (like the old tomac did).

Thrillkil

08-15-2005, 09:05 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ride1988/masterplan1999.jpg

Posting on Behalf of tmx. If they were posted earlier i apologise, but i can't be bothered searching, im far too busy wondering where my bikes gone from my garage.

Is that the Rubber Duckie?
Is that style of seat still available?

AR_

08-15-2005, 09:19 PM

Is that the Rubber Duckie?
Is that style of seat still available?

Naw, that's the Masterplan.

S.G.D

08-16-2005, 12:21 AM

man, all of those old cannondales were my childhood dream. does anyone have a picture of the original "fulcrum" dh bike, the red one with the non-inverted moto fork, and the double chains?

scofflaw23

08-16-2005, 12:39 AM

Is that the Rubber Duckie?
Is that style of seat still available?

Yeah, it's a motorcycle saddle.

Bldr_DH

08-16-2005, 01:27 AM

Yeah, it's a motorcycle saddle.

Lenz made the Wedgie DH seat a while back... Looks pretty similar to that one there. Definitely not a pretty thing, to say the least.

tmx

08-16-2005, 01:55 PM

Lenz made the Wedgie DH seat a while back... Looks pretty similar to that one there. Definitely not a pretty thing, to say the least.

yep, the seat is from devon lenz.

CreeP

08-16-2005, 02:53 PM

man, all of those old cannondales were my childhood dream. does anyone have a picture of the original "fulcrum" dh bike, the red one with the non-inverted moto fork, and the double chains?

somewhere, i've got the 'mountain bike' mag with the article about the whole c-dale dh thing. Anyone remember the carbon rear ends on on some dh super-Vs?

Transcend

08-16-2005, 03:14 PM

I had a super V carbon, and a super V carbon 4000DH.

Oh, those were the good old days.

toodles

08-17-2005, 06:51 AM

Here's pics of my first two race bikes. Kinda embarassing but what the heck...

J5ive

08-17-2005, 06:53 AM

Haha, hey toodles.

Was the avanti badged version?

toodles

08-17-2005, 06:56 AM

Avanti Moto Comp. It got 6" of travel out of that tiny little shock. I weighed 60kg back then and need to run a 1000lb/in spring to prevent it bottoming. Broke so many spring clips and shock mounting bolts. Snapped 3 of the seat masts off the frame and cracked the chainstays once. But the Bombers were plush as :)

Repack

08-17-2005, 08:29 PM

Anyone else saving a lot of pics from this thread? Its allowing me to throw out tons of old "look what we used to ride!" magazines. Its fun to look at stuff that was once cutting edge and wonder what the hell we were thinking! :thumb:

spacemanspiff06

08-17-2005, 09:26 PM

Dunno if Lawills count as "obscure" considering the length of the Rotec thread, but check out that chain ring!

Damn!! :eek: thats almost bigger then the cranks!! :eek: :eek: what like 104T or somthing. go off a 3 inch drop and bend the sh!t out of youe chainring.
sry pic didn't quote, it's on the botom of pg 11.
this thread is the best, hellova lot better than all the trash-talk threads :thumb:

spacemanspiff06

08-17-2005, 09:30 PM

I don't even know what to say about this
http://web.ticino.com/rupabiker/tecnica/bike/dm-90.jpg

looks mad stiff and i love the color. ride an endo for a mile on that baby

RhinofromWA

08-19-2005, 02:52 PM

I think my all time favorite product in the mag was the suspension fork that used 2 bungee chords and a reversed rigid fork.

The other thing thats always funny to me is that 1992 isnt that long ago... but man doesnt it seem like the dark ages for some stuff??
Could it be the long lost pictures of a

Creatone Peak SAS full suspension bike. :drool: Don't ask me how I remember that....:o::DFound it!

I had it saved to an old disk.

The Crestone Peak SAS bike....rubber bands and all! It is a poor scan but maybe it will jog a few memories....circa 1993-4ish Long travel in its day.

bcd

08-19-2005, 03:12 PM

nice scan i remember that bike
it has a vpp rear swingarm

RhinofromWA

08-19-2005, 03:21 PM

nice scan i remember that bike
it has a vpp rear swingarmI never saw the bike in real life....and that is the only picture I have seen of it.

I never could figure out how the rear end worked....especially from that shot. :)

RhinofromWA

08-19-2005, 04:04 PM

My old RTS (sold to roomate pictured)
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246GregBike.jpg
My old LTS
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246LTS_Pic.jpg
My old STS
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB01.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB03.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB04.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB07.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB09.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB06.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB05.jpg

I was Freeriding before their was such a term! :D

JohnnyBoyDH

08-19-2005, 04:18 PM

Found it!

I had it saved to an old disk.

The Crestone Peak SAS bike....rubber bands and all! It is a poor scan but maybe it will jog a few memories....circa 1993-4ish Long travel in its day.

ha ha the old bungie bike! Those things were actually quite plush when just cruising around.

RaID

08-19-2005, 08:58 PM

My old STS
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB01.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB03.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB04.jpg

I was Freeriding before their was such a term! :D

im suprised you didnt snap that thing
thats all heard about those bikes

CreeP

08-19-2005, 10:33 PM

what i want to see is a pic of the old bike Liken had, i saw it on their website a number of years ago, but it's otherwise an enigma to me.

deweydude

08-19-2005, 10:40 PM

I am still using a set of those pedals :love:
on my Norco team dh

MMcG

08-20-2005, 12:49 AM

Fin A, that's what I'm talking about!

I was SOO close to buying it (and it looks like I'm not alone). I had to save my money for like two or three months longer, but I wanted that one pretty bad.

It was powdercoated orange a little while after, I definitely like the CNCed finish though.

What you can't see in the pic is the linkage arrangement, it actually had a floating shock (like the old tomac did).

Is this the Old Tomac you are referring to??

http://home1.stofanet.dk/bodeadly/tOMAC.jpg

manwithgun

08-20-2005, 01:18 AM

http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB06.jpg
:D
That's so hot..... but I got to ask... what did they pay you to ride down the mountain with a GIGANTIC billboard under your as-s? :p I almost enjoy the "cringe" of looking back at the past; but it still stings just a bit.

Thrillkil

08-20-2005, 01:45 AM

im suprised you didnt snap that thing
thats all heard about those bikes

My cousin broke her pelvis riding pro DH on one of those around 1995-96

Jm_

08-20-2005, 10:41 AM

Is this the Old Tomac you are referring to??

Yes, but just the aspect that it has a "floating" shock, not the particular arrangement of it. Cool pic.

jonboy

08-20-2005, 11:36 AM

does anyone remember seeing the RAD fs bike? 1989ish? monocoque front triangle?

how about the white fs bike from bontrager/turner? first rockshox?

RhinofromWA

08-20-2005, 03:17 PM

That's so hot..... but I got to ask... what did they pay you to ride down the mountain with a GIGANTIC billboard under your as-s? :p I almost enjoy the "cringe" of looking back at the past; but it still stings just a bit.Dude that is the most comfortable BIG seat I have ever tried. Soft and narrow. As far as the billboard aspect of it....I say it is 1000x's better looking that a blacked out bike. That look is so played out...."oh I am to urban to have a company name" "they aint paying me to advertise" :rolleyes: Poser please! lol give it up.

Look to the LTS picture...same seat. I rode XC with it. It was a butt saver. I have a unused Red White and Blue saddle in storage, pristine, waiting for the next time it needs to come out....I even know where there is another one at a shop. :D

Seriously. It is that comfortable. Especially when riding with no bike shorts. Most riders slap a maxi pad between their legs via shorts....this ohad actual padding on the seat. :heart: :thumb:

RhinofromWA

08-20-2005, 03:18 PM

I am still using a set of those pedals :love:
on my Norco team dhI still rock them on my Rotec today! Best pedal ever.....well I think it is. :)

RhinofromWA

08-20-2005, 03:20 PM

im suprised you didnt snap that thing
thats all heard about those bikesI think the snapping head tubes were more prone to the Aluminum lugged head tube. This one came after and the carbon HT was supposed to be "stronger" :D :rolleyes:

patineto

08-20-2005, 04:21 PM

in about 1980/1982 reading a BMX magazine I saw a really interesting Bike,, was kind of a 20" BMX bike with a Motorcycle swingarm and a front suspension forks..

the name of the Guy that build it was brian skinner (yes I have good memory) and the bike was call "Decender" and the article was fotograf at topanga canion (I did a Goggle search last night but i did not find anything about it) anyway thanks to this guy and some others like Joe brezze, charly kelly and mister cunninham I got really interested into Dirt caplable Bicycles and purchace my fisrt MTB in 1983 from a marine station at the USA enbassy in Bogota colombia were i use to live..

anyway this tread is awesome and remaind me of the many ****ups and mistakes made over the years trying to figure out how to make bikes work..

thanks for the memories and the Laughts..

Oh i colect all the pictures of this tread on a Foto gallery (http://patineto.smugmug.com/gallery/743774) for easy viewing.

Repack

08-20-2005, 04:39 PM

.....
Oh i colect all the pictures of this tread on a Foto gallery (http://patineto.smugmug.com/gallery/743774) for easy viewing.
:thumb: :thumb: My "MTB pics" folder had grown immensely since this thread started!

I am still using a set of those pedals :love:
on my Norco team dh
So am I. But on an M1. I had someone gove me a pair last summer. Kind of a long story, but I was in my old shop when I bumped into an old customer who I had badgered in the past to sell them to me. Her first DH experience went poorly and they ended up on her ROAD BIKE!(Lemond Zurich) She asked if I wanted them, I said hell yeah, and proceeded to take them off. She wanted NOTHING in return even! I had a pair of mint 515s (Yes, mint 515 = oxymoron) in my truck that I keep as backups and she didn't even want those. I was so psyched. First time out on them I hooked a rock that destroyed my crankarm but put only a dent in the bolt-on cage. Those things rock!

RhinofromWA

08-21-2005, 04:30 PM

My old STS
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB01.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB07.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB04.jpg
http://www.ridemonkey.com/mountain-bike-photos/data/500/246MTB06.jpg

Great now I am quoting myself. :rolleyes: :)

But now thinking back....

1) Floating shock
2) Chainstay pivot
3) Trunion mount
4) Carbon Fiber of course

That was a pretty trick bike. The same guy who bought my RTS, bought the STS 1500DS converted back to stock everything and a new GT sticker kit. :)

It is not a good Dhing bike but it sure was pretty.

No one has mentioned the V brakes on the Boxxer....or the non disk 20mm ringle/Boxxer hub. I guess most riders were still in diapers when that stuff was around. ;)

Repack

08-21-2005, 05:01 PM

Great now I am quoting myself. :rolleyes: :)

But now thinking back....

1) Floating shock
2) Chainstay pivot
3) Trunion mount
4) Carbon Fiber of course

That was a pretty trick bike. The same guy who bought my RTS, bought the STS 1500DS converted back to stock everything and a new GT sticker kit. :)

It is not a good Dhing bike but it sure was pretty.

No one has mentioned the V brakes on the Boxxer....or the non disk 20mm ringle/Boxxer hub. I guess most riders were still in diapers when that stuff was around. ;)
Never had V's on a DH bike, but I did run Magurs HS33's on a Boxxer-equiped DHS tube back in '98. You are right about the GT though. Those were some pretty trick and functional (when not broken) features.
I can still remember when the original LTS was a show-stopper at Mt Snow and having a discussion w/ someone at Sunday River about V's vs. Hydro rim brakes. Feels like a million years ago.

RhinofromWA

08-21-2005, 05:16 PM

Never had V's on a DH bike, but I did run Magurs HS33's on a Boxxer-equiped DHS tube back in '98. You are right about the GT though. Those were some pretty trick and functional (when not broken) features.
I can still remember when the original LTS was a show-stopper at Mt Snow and having a discussion w/ someone at Sunday River about V's vs. Hydro rim brakes. Feels like a million years ago.Those maguras were the stuff back then....especially pre V's. When you had to choose canti's or Maguras.....for trials or Dhing....the rim crushing Maguras were the way to go. :)

My bike came with V's so I didn't bother with buying disks or Maguras. I rode Snoqualmie pass (site of the Norba national and World Cup) with that set up.....pretty much a "freeride set up" with some success. The V's worked fine.

I must be old because everytime a "kid" complains his V's "don't stop" him.....I just want to slap the snot out of him. Give him a week on Cantis and he will worship the V brake gods. :D

I had Canti with brake boosters (aluminum arches) "servowave" Shimano levers (multiple changing leverage ratios) various compound brake pads steal wool and rubbing alcohal........to name but a few things we tried weekly to keep our Canti's working back in the day. Kids, they jsut don't know how good they have things these days. lol hahahahahaaaaa....cough...cough....*gurgle*...haha haha....cough.....spit.

Repack

08-21-2005, 07:22 PM

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I had Canti with brake boosters (aluminum arches) "servowave" Shimano levers (multiple changing leverage ratios) various compound brake pads steal wool and rubbing alcohal........to name but a few things we tried weekly to keep our Canti's working back in the day. Kids, they jsut don't know how good they have things these days. lol hahahahahaaaaa....cough...cough....*gurgle*...haha haha....cough.....spit.
A good friend of mine has what I think are Machine Tech levers. The end of the cable sat in a round indexed wheel. You could alter the position of the wheel to affect the feel of the brake. Kind of the same premiss behind the El Camino's. Pretty cool vintage stuff. I still have my first 2 DH forks- a Judy DH with 2 aluminum carts and a Girvin Chubby thats in pieces. The Judy still work well and is on a commuter bike. Its pretty cool to have been around the development of a sport. This will be my 11th or 12th consecutive year racing Mt Snow. I've gone from a Mongoose Hilltopper w/ a Mag 10 to an M1. My how things change!

-=JB=-

08-21-2005, 08:29 PM

Check this out

Richi Hulk: dual paralell damper, jackshaft and nexus hub

also a single damper version

ohio

08-21-2005, 08:49 PM

Great now I am quoting myself. :rolleyes: :)

But now thinking back....

1) Floating shock
2) Chainstay pivot
3) Trunion mount
4) Carbon Fiber of course

That was a pretty trick bike. The same guy who bought my RTS, bought the STS 1500DS converted back to stock everything and a new GT sticker kit. :)

It is not a good Dhing bike but it sure was pretty.

No one has mentioned the V brakes on the Boxxer....or the non disk 20mm ringle/Boxxer hub. I guess most riders were still in diapers when that stuff was around. ;)

I still have my 1500DS in my basement, and I was STILL RIDING IT last summer. Main pivot finally gave out, and I don't have plans to track down parts to fix it... but it's so damn pretty I can't throw it out. When I bought the thing in 98, it completely changed my opinion of full suspension... awesome bike.

ohio

08-21-2005, 08:51 PM

I had Canti with brake boosters (aluminum arches) "servowave" Shimano levers (multiple changing leverage ratios) various compound brake pads steal wool and rubbing alcohal........to name but a few things we tried weekly to keep our Canti's working back in the day.

Yup, still remember my first ride on v-brakes. Went straight over the bars on my first parking lot stop. They blew my mind.

Repack

08-21-2005, 09:04 PM

RhinofromWA

08-22-2005, 03:22 PM

Yup, still remember my first ride on v-brakes. Went straight over the bars on my first parking lot stop. They blew my mind.*grab my cane and whack a young kids bike tires* Kids don't know how good they got it. Why, I remember...........

lol

Thank goodness for V brakes....I actually had time to study and not try and keep the cantis working well. :D

Rhino"I remember when hot pink was cool"fromWA

RhinofromWA

08-22-2005, 03:26 PM

I still have my 1500DS in my basement, and I was STILL RIDING IT last summer. Main pivot finally gave out, and I don't have plans to track down parts to fix it... but it's so damn pretty I can't throw it out. When I bought the thing in 98, it completely changed my opinion of full suspension... awesome bike. I am too fat for it but it sure was something to lust over.....damn sexy. Even non-MTB people would just stare at it....definate eye candy.

I have some "blue" anti squeek suspension bushings left over from the STS....don't know why.....now there is an expensive part. No one shold ever complain about bearings ever again. :)

RhinofromWA

08-22-2005, 03:31 PM

Hmm, I guess that since my trail bike was built around a 1997 front end it qualifies as old, and b/c of the much newer custom-mounted rear end it qualifies as obscure. Doesn't stop it from being a kick-ass rig though!
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6362/p7120017small9ye.jpg)Ohhh memories....

Roomate in college had the Neon Green one. And he put a 6 inch Trixxy (the really bad one!) and a MS 6 inch travel upgrade....I think there was even a stratos rear shock. What a tall bike that was! :D He even put an aftermarket swingarm on there...:think:....Szember(was that the name?) He even tried the BETD travel link also.

Specialized FS bikes....paving the way for aftermarket companies and newbies breaking into DH. :)

Transcend

08-22-2005, 03:32 PM

No one has mentioned the V brakes on the Boxxer....or the non disk 20mm ringle/Boxxer hub. I guess most riders were still in diapers when that stuff was around. ;)

I still have a rhyno light wheelset built on one of those hubs.

RhinofromWA

08-22-2005, 03:37 PM

A good friend of mine has what I think are Machine Tech levers. The end of the cable sat in a round indexed wheel. You could alter the position of the wheel to affect the feel of the brake. Kind of the same premiss behind the El Camino's. Pretty cool vintage stuff. I still have my first 2 DH forks- a Judy DH with 2 aluminum carts and a Girvin Chubby thats in pieces. The Judy still work well and is on a commuter bike. Its pretty cool to have been around the development of a sport. This will be my 11th or 12th consecutive year racing Mt Snow. I've gone from a Mongoose Hilltopper w/ a Mag 10 to an M1. My how things change!Yikes you old timer. ;)

The servo wave were pretty nice actaully. The initial cable pull was low leverage/more cable and then about 1/3-1/2 of the way thru the lever throw a slot allowed the cable stop to slide down towards the lever pivot. That increased the leverage and slowed the cable pulled. When adjusted right you cuold have the pads away from the rim to adjust for wheel wobble....then quickly make up that distance until reaching the rim and then increasing the leverage to really crush the rim giving you a chance to stop. :D I really like those levers....pure genious.

Now combine that with the lever action that actuated the reat canti's on the RTS....old RTS owners know what i am talking about......and you have yourself about 4-6 different factors to setting up a rear brake if you really wanted to dwelve into it. As a bored college student who like the idea of being able to stop.....I monkeyed with the brakes A LOT!

Oh Viva la Mag 21 and Quadra 10 :o: