Yamanote Halloween Train 2007: October 27th!

October 25, 2007 | by James | Filed Under Foreigners in Japan |


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I have been notified that the infamous Yamanote Halloween Train party will be occurring in Tokyo on the night of October 27th. Here are the details (via wikipedia):

The 2007 event is scheduled for Saturday, October 27, 2007. Festival-goers board the JR Yamanote Line at JR Shinjuku station, platform 13 (Yamanote bound for Ikebukuro). Japanese citizens as well as foreigners meet where car 10 stops, in front of the escalator from South exit. Everyone boards the 21:08 northbound train and loops around clockwise. Frequently everyone brings their own alcoholic beverages.

And a few videos of last year’s train, so you get the idea of what kind of event it is:

To some the Yamanote Halloween Train is a fantastic good time. Others view it as a shamefully rude display of public intoxication and a major annoyance to the Japanese passengers who unexpectedly encounter it. What are your opinions, probers?

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Update 1:: Looks like this story has been picked up by 2channel and Japanese blogs, and many Japanese netizens are not happy!

注:このブロッグのコメントのなか、在日外国人からの賛同的な発言は極少数であり、一般の人が否定的な意見を表している。よって、「欧米人のモラルの低劣さ」ではなく、一部のみが問題を起こしていることを認識してもらいたい。

Update 2: There may be another Yamanote Halloween Train party tonight, as this conflicting announcement has been found on a German Yahoo group:

Although police might come in later to clear the wagons and make space for
those well-behaving, sober students and businessman normally filling late
night trains, don’t worry: Nobody will arrest you for drinking and singing
on a train - just keep your ticket!

This year’s train leaves from Ikebukuro station at 9.06 pm on Saturday
night, October 27th. Gather from 8.45 pm on platform #7/8 in JR’s Ikebukuro
station (the “outbound” trains in direction to Ueno) and just get on the
train when it arrives. Don’t be late! Come in costumes, bring your friends
and your own drinks - don’t count on those kiosks. And tell everybody else >
the more, the partier!
P.S. Note that this year’s starting location is Ikebukuro, not Shinjuku.

(Japanese)

YAMANOTE 嫌い? Love Beer ★ ?
今月27日土曜日にはまた、あなたが電車と仲直
りするチャンスがあります。

それは、世界で有名な山手線ハロウィーンパーティ。主催者は誰もいない。数百人の
(B
人が、同じ場所・時間に集まり、同じ電車に乗っちゃうだけ。

変わってる?え、だからこそこのゲリラパーティは去年にも大ヒットだった。500
(B
人くらい、外人半分、日本人半分が同じ電車で、独特のコスチュームをまとい、騒ぎ
(B
ながら、ずっとぐるぐる回っていた>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hekireki69/sets/1263795/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-r29F0wJH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mJCJSJVGlc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssGrcaTsbzU 69/sets/1263795/>

私たちは数時間続けると警察に追い出される可能性はある。礼儀正しい学生やビジネ
(B
スマンのために、深夜の電車を開ける必要があるからね。けど、心配ご無用!私たち
(B
は電車で飲んだり歌ったりすることだけで逮捕されることはない。だって切符を持っ
(B
ているのだから。

今年は10月27日土曜日に夜8時45分から、JR池袋駅の7・8番ホーム(外回
(B
りの上野行き)でみんな集まります。そして21時06分の電車にみんないっぺんに
(B
乗ります。

人が多ければ多いほうが楽しいから、みんな誘ってね。ワイルドな仮想できてね。そ
(B
して食べ物、飲み物は各自持参してください。遅れないようにね。

Most forums seem to have the Shinjuku information for the party, so those looking to join in or break up the party would probably be better off going to that one…

Dozens of 2-channelers have already claimed to have notified the police about this and told them to arrest the party participants. Here is the public information for the cops/Shinjuku station which has been posted all over several Japanese blogs:
警視庁 03-3581-4321(代)

新宿警察署 03-3346-0110

渋谷警察署 03-3498-0110(代表)

新宿駅お客様相談室(鉄道警察) 03-3356-7505

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130 Comments »

2007-10-25 23:55:18

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Comment by keith
2007-10-26 00:11:57

I AM GOING TO THIS HOLY CRAP

 
Comment by ponta
2007-10-26 00:32:58

When Hanshin Tigers won the baseball tournament, the fans had a big party in the train. It was frowned upon by general public.
This party could be joyful party symbolizing a great aspect of multi-culture;When gaijin and Japanese bikers rode in costume, they were accepted and welcomed.
Or it could be seen as a riot of fucked gaijin and fucked Japanese influenced by them, reinforcing xenophobia.

I think it depends on the manner and the time they act in the train. Power ranger, Jason, witches etc. will be welcome, but to be accepted, at least, no drinking, no smoking, no lying on the train. Tone-deaf singing makes it look worse. Quiet display will be better. And of course avoid the rush hour.

If they really want to have a beer party, they can have it on other place, like roppongi, or NY subway or somewhere else.

Comment by luis
2007-10-26 04:04:25

i think it would be fun but hopefully this wont be the one were they make major arrests leading to no more yamanote halloween fun. im really hoping to go next year.

 
 
Comment by Alec
2007-10-26 02:10:17

It would be piss-annoying if you couldn’t get on the train because of these guys. And would be horrible if they rowdy and drunk. Otherwise, it would probably cheer up my commute. Not too bad considering it’s a Saturday night though and most of the people riding would be going to party themselves or going home after a day of boring overtime work.

 
Comment by Klumpen
2007-10-26 05:30:08

What the hell? I find this party utterly awesome and expected that most of you commenters share my opinion! Whats wrong with you guys?

This really looks like fun. Maybe its not exactly the best way for working towards acceptance of foreigners in Japan, but damn… It must be fun! I wonder who enjoys this parties more, the foreigners or the Japanese.

 
Comment by Chris
2007-10-26 05:33:35

The best was the guy with the hello kitty mask smoking and drinking

 
Comment by newsboy
2007-10-26 06:46:33

It’s one thing if you rent the train out to have a party it’s another if you abuse public transit for the sheer purpose of acting like an idiot like most of the people on this train are doing.

 
Comment by Elec
2007-10-26 08:35:59

I didn’t know about this until the police called my office at the beginning of October and told our Japanese staff to tell the foreigner staff to be nice and not cause trouble on the Yamanote line this year because ‘almost all the people who caused trouble were English teachers’. I understand the sentiment and all and I’m actually never one to do this sort of thing but the idea sort of pissed me off.

 
Comment by Ken Y-N
2007-10-26 08:42:03

Thanks for that posting! I’ve forwarded it to the JR Transport Police, so I hope they will be organising a reception committee.

 
Comment by majiimeaussie
2007-10-26 11:27:52

If you are going try to be considerate of other people. There is no NEED to have the party on the train but for many people there is a NEED to use the train to get home.

Comment by Brett
2007-10-26 20:56:24

I understand your point of vies, and I wont go to this event as I feel a bit too old for that type of fun, but its only one train and only on one line. Take the next train if its that much of a bother, like the next train is in 5 minutes?

Comment by Kappa
2007-10-27 08:46:13

>Take the next train if its that much of a bother, like the next train is in 5 minutes?

What about people who are already on the train??
Some people have to take certain train in order to catch another train. Nobody wants to get off the train because of someone’s crazy party.
And nobody wants to see drunken men in strange costume on a train.It is really disgusting in Japan.
And before you said such thing, you should think about whether having an alcholic party on a public transit is morally correct or not if you have a BRAIN.

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Comment by Brett
2007-10-27 12:57:42

Its once a year. How many times do I have to put up with drunk salarymen puking on the yamanote line EVERY Saturday night?
Use your brain.
I have to see drunking men on the train every week. And yes, it is disgusting. but not if your Japanese?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Syd
2007-10-26 16:27:20

I share the same ideas as most of you…
There is a time and a place.

Ya’ll have fun, enjoy the party, laugh and show Japanese people how to let go and enjoy life.

Don’t be idiots and harass people who aren’t part of your gig, don’t be over zealous with the beer and don’t break the law or the train.

 
Comment by jyuzo
2007-10-26 20:56:48

Alcohol is not good.

 
Comment by white
2007-10-26 21:12:30

I notified the japanese police and JR.

“Do in Roma as Roman’s do” :P

 
Comment by QAZ
2007-10-26 21:42:13

It informed the railroad company of this foolish plan. The arrest is certain.
https://voice2.jreast.co.jp/user_input.aspx

 
Comment by kaz
2007-10-26 22:02:10

I am just wondering why they want to do something which they do not usually do at home. I am just assuming that many of them are from countries where having drink/party in public transportation is prohibited by law.(at least it is in Australia)

People do stupid things or behave badly when they feel they are privileged to do so. OK, we don’t, normally, behave badly when we are with our boss. On the other hand, Japanese/ people from all sort of developed countries were/are notorious for their behavior in southern asian countries.

I can see what people in Tokyo are reading from this “party” thing, if this is going to happen. It is, I think, not just another closed-minded Japanese complaining to whatever foreign visitors do but more for the respect or dignity issue.

Hope this makes a bit of sense.

 
Comment by Joe blow
2007-10-26 22:03:10

I feel sorry for those passengers that jus wanna take the train. grow up you damm clowns, and stop making Japanese hate us even more..PS now that Nova is closed maybe there will be less immature fools around, thank G. PS push them all on the tracks.

 
Comment by helical
2007-10-26 22:27:28

What the hell.
Unless one’s warped idea of fun is causing grief for others, I fail to understand why, of all places, these people want to act like f***tards on public transportation. I have absolutely no problem if they find a place to party ahd have fun where they don’t annoy and make life unpleasant for unrelated bystanders.
But for crying out loud, alcohol, singing, and general jackass-ery on a train? I really hope these people get rounded up and thrown in jail. Before would be even better but the Japanese police isn’t too big on preemptive acts, so I’m not getting my hopes up too much for that. Too bad.

 
Comment by die
2007-10-26 22:42:46

Terrorist!

 
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2007-10-26 22:50:39

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Comment by jap
2007-10-26 22:51:39

STOP! That places are public space.Do you guys feel that you conquer japan or satisfaction
of breaking japanese law? Know what japanese feel by watching your behaviors.

 
2007-10-26 22:53:29

コメントしてもError: please fill the required fields (name, email).って出て成功しないんだけど。
誰かこれ貼ってくれ。

 
Comment by jap
2007-10-26 22:56:12

いい感じに荒れてきたなwwwwwww

草くても何でもいいからもっとやれ

 
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2007-10-26 22:58:37

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2007-10-26 22:59:16

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2007-10-26 23:01:01

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Comment by Taka
2007-10-26 23:02:55

I watched Youtube animation you had uploaded.
Understand that things you’re allowed to do in your country don’t always allowed in japan too.
I’ll feel bad if I see many foreigners drinking and getting duffed in public place.

Comment by James
2007-10-26 23:09:28

I did not upload these videos.

Comment by white
2007-10-27 00:36:11

>I did not upload these videos.

So what?

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Comment by TOGA
2007-10-26 23:05:12

Yamanote Halloween Train 2007: October 27th!
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Comment by 孔明
2007-10-26 23:17:24

警察にもJRにも通報済みって誰か書けよ

 
Comment by takeshi
2007-10-26 23:55:44

already happend!!!!
watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y20-58q2Omg

fucking gaijins, go home now!!!!!!

 
Comment by the overthinker
2007-10-27 00:16:52

At least this allows us to avoid them, which I would do as if they were plague-carriers from Aum spraying anthrax.

Some wonderfully anti-whitey comments on that update link. I tend to agree with this: “日本の電車だからやるんだろうな
NYの電車でやってたら他の乗客に殴られるか逮捕されるもんな”
(”They do it as it’s a Japanese train - if they tried it on a NY train they’d get their arses handed to them by the other passengers.”)

Why so anti-Aussie? Is this an Aussie thing in particular?

 
Comment by 5353
2007-10-27 00:32:50

まじ迷惑だから絶対するなよ

 
Comment by newsokumin
2007-10-27 01:04:19

yamei

 
Comment by nullpolin
2007-10-27 01:15:03

Seriously, it’s possible for terrorist to join the party because the people wear masksn’ stuffs.

テロリストが参加者に混じっている可能性はあると思いますよ。
マスクも被れるし彼らにしてみれば格好の機会でしょう。

Comment by the overthinker
2007-10-27 10:23:50

I see - and you are familiar with the facial features of terrorists? Or perhaps it might be even easier for those people featured on those “Japan’s Most Wanted” posters to slip in and have a party….

 
 
Comment by go home
2007-10-27 01:18:30

Fuckin’ idiots.
Know the difference b/w public and private area.
If you guys wanna do such a stupid event, go home and do it.
It is Japan, not the your country.

 
Comment by rail_admin
2007-10-27 01:25:08

I reported this nuisance event to the police.
It is a very annoying act in Japan to make noise in a train.
If you cannot act according to a Japanese manner, I want you to return to the native place country.

It is the same as TERRORISM that you are going to do it.

I am finished with a report for an embassy and a railroad manager.

I strongly suggest that it is canceled a plan.

 
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2007-10-27 01:33:53

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Comment by STOP
2007-10-27 01:40:02

STOP!
drinking and making noise in trains is immoral and unpleasant in japanese society differing from your barbarous countries. I hate it.
some networkers already have notified about this party.

 
Comment by wake up suzie
2007-10-27 02:28:41

This bbs’s url has been posted on a 2ch thread as already informed, and thus these above comments are here. I’d be happy to see responses from prospective party-goers.
In the 2ch threads, some counteractions are discussed, needless to say informing authorities, but also burning flags of the US, UK, Canada etc,., defiling and burning the Bible in front of you guys, throwing bins of soysause over your heads, making petitions “not” to accept Nova teachers’ petitions. Isn’t it FUN?
What do you think of this?
Personally I would like to see both — the party and counteractions - happen. Life would be less borinng in Tokyo.

 
Comment by khigugf
2007-10-27 02:59:01

Do not do such a stupid party!!!
if you do it,
We will stop it by force!
remember it!

 
Comment by masa
2007-10-27 03:16:22

This kind of FOOLISH act is not ABSOLUTLY accepted in Japan. Please, understand your plan only puts passangers and train crews to a great deals of trouble and confusion. This is the rule; public place is not for yours but for every person. So, you should choose the right place like a disco or casual bar if you hope to enjoy Halloween party. I wish you guys don’t repeat the silly party like last year and improve the settlement toward foreigners.

 
Comment by special agent
2007-10-27 03:26:53

police and immigration officers will be show up at your stupid party this time. don’t attend it. if you hold open container of alcohol drink in the public transportatioin, then you’ll be arrested. don’t do stupid. obey the law and rules. respect people and society.

 
Comment by jap
2007-10-27 03:52:18

モラルのない外人はさっさと国に帰れ。

 
Comment by ryo
2007-10-27 04:00:44

警察やJR関係者に通報済みであることは英語でも書かれているし、外国人(とおぼしき人物)の中からも、この一連の計画に対して否定的な見方があることがコメント欄からは見て取れる。

また本文中に「山手線でハロウィーンパーティーを計画している人がいるという情報を得た」ということが書かれているものの、このサイト自体はその計画を推奨しているわけではない。

このサイトは竹島問題や、日中関係などに関してもかなり親日的な立場を取っている。vipper諸君には節度あるコメントを求む。

 
Comment by Christopher Colombus !
2007-10-27 04:20:41

Completely insane.
This case is not only about bothering many passengers.
You are willing to make Public Transport into chaos.
Many terrorists will welcome such chance, join your “party”
and use Nerve Gas behind the mask.

I’ve already announse about this party to Railway Police,
Metropolitan Police and National Safety Commission.
I hope you will stop such fool, and enjoy Halloween in a private place.

 
Comment by helical
2007-10-27 05:12:19

Hmm… I guess my earlier comment is stuck in the spam filter?

Unless one’s warped sense of “fun” involves making life miserable for commuters, I fail to understand why there’s so much support for this nonsense.
9 pm, commuting home on a crowded train from a long stressful day at the office, the last thing I want to encounter in an enclosed space is a crowd of jackasses doing their jackass-ery on public transportation.
Although it would be easy enough to avoid assuming the hooligans don’t screw up the schedule by delaying operation (which in itself is somewhat likely), I don’t see why I have to make the least bit of effort to accommodate/avoid the people who decided that it would be fine to break laws and cause unpleasantness for other people for the sake of partying.

 
Comment by 不良外人氏ね
2007-10-27 06:05:37

全く欧米人のマナー意識の低さには言葉も無いよ…
とりあえず群れて暴れるな。
こんなことばっかしてるからGAI☆JINって呼ばれるんだよ。

Comment by キモイ
2007-10-27 06:28:50

群れでしか行動できない大規模オフの連中や、
アキバとかでハルヒダンス踊ってるキモオタにもそれ言ってくれるんですよね?
日本人はマナー意識高いんでしょ?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1315443

日本人はマナー意識高いんでしょ?(笑)

Comment by Kei
2007-10-27 10:23:00

「群れでしか行動できない」と「公共交通機関での迷惑行為」は違う。上の動画を見る限り、迷惑行為に他ならないし、外国人排他意識の向上にしかならないな。
マナー意識、迷惑行為の基準は各国で違う。日本での一般的意識に照らし合わせて考えられなければ、彼らはどこに行っても迷惑者だろう。

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Comment by キモイ
2007-10-27 10:33:09

本当に私がURLを載せた上の動画見られたんですか?
それともこのサイトの上の動画の事をおっしゃっているんでしょうか?
まずは私がURLを載せた動画を見てから話してくださいね。
それを見てから
日本での一般的意識
などについて語ってください(笑

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1315443

これね^^

 
Comment by ak
2007-10-27 12:37:47

キモイさん:
歩行者天国は、本来交通のためのみに使う「道路」を交通の目的以外にも使えるように地域の警察に許可を得たもの。主に地域の活性化を目的とする。
山手線は、JR東日本が所有し運営する貨車。運搬を目的とする。
つまり、そこで「何が行われるところまで許容するか」が違うんで、ここでハルヒダンスを比較対象として提示してもあまり意味がないですよ。。。

 
Comment by kou
2007-10-27 13:35:07

akさん。

横から失礼します。
外国人に論理的に説明しても無駄ですよ(笑
彼らは、読解力と考える脳ミソに欠けています。
だから、ハルヒダンスと電車内での横暴・器物破損を
同列に認識してしまうのです。

哀しいことですが、この手の頭の悪い外国人は
他人に迷惑をかけてでも自分の自由を主張する、
子供と一緒なのです。

 
 
 
 
Comment by One Japanese
2007-10-27 06:29:55

When the American drink alcohol in the train of the United States of America, it is arrested.
Is this your cultures?
Drinking alcohol in the train is a violation of manners in Japan.
Don’t make trouble!!

Comment by Brett
2007-10-27 13:02:09

I have seen many Japanese drinking their chu hi and beer on the yamanote line many times. I have yet to hear any Japanese complaining about here.

 
 
2007-10-27 06:46:11

[…] drinking in public isn’t illegal, so just imagine what this can entails). I saw on Japanprobe.com, instructions for would-be Halloween party-goers in Japan. They will be meeting again this year to […]

 
Comment by Kappa
2007-10-27 09:00:37

Hey someone delated my comments!

Anyway, I already send a E-mail to JR about the party.
Those who are going to participate the party are gonna be kicked out from the station.
I’m more hopely they get arrested by police and ship back to their hometown.

We welcomes nice and clean guys but we don’t need junkies!!

Comment by James
2007-10-27 09:06:20

If you don’t want your comments deleted, comply with the discussion policy:
http://www.japanprobe.com/?page_id=1242

I may agree with your view on the train party, but if you post comments with stupid name-calling or racist statements, they will be deleted.

 
 
Comment by haggy
2007-10-27 09:30:47

I feel so sorry for most of the foreigners that won’t
join this terror, though will be felt ill by your insane
actions.

I work for a US company, though I hope my foreign colleagues
won’t agree with this stupid cation.

Of course, I have noticed your actions to JR east and
the police.

 
Comment by the overthinker
2007-10-27 10:43:42

James, I think it might be an idea to add a bold message in Japanese that you are just reporting, not endorsing. Something like 尚、ジャパン・プローブがこの企画の主催者及び後援者とは一切関係がない上、この企画に賛同するような発言も述べていない。この企画の存在をそのまま記載したにすぎないので、ご了承ください might let Japanese visitors here know that this isn’t by any means universally loved.

There are also few supportive comments even by non-Japanese here.

注:このブロッグのコメントのなか、在日外国人からの賛同的な発言は極少数であり、一般の人が否定的な意見を表している。よって、「欧米人のモラルの低劣さ」ではなく、一部のみが問題を起こしていることを認識してもらいたい。

 
Comment by 名無し
2007-10-27 10:45:06

http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1047902.html
痛いニュース入りおめでとうございます。
ますますのご健勝をお祈りいたします。

 
Comment by vizzarc
2007-10-27 10:49:47

Why does it have to be in a train?
Can`t u guyz do it somewhere else?
Go to ueno kouen. Homeless ppl will lov u guyz,
if u treat them with alcohol.

Just remember that not all ppl love parties inside a train.

日本人だろうが外人だろうが関係無い
マナーもモラルも欠けた人間の行き着く所は
鉄格子の内側か冷たい視線の向こう側

 
Comment by no-name
2007-10-27 11:28:45

It notified the police & JR.

 
Comment by noname
2007-10-27 11:44:02

this is terrorism.

Comment by the overthinker
2007-10-27 11:59:49

No it’s not.

 
Comment by Brett
2007-10-27 13:07:21

AUM was terrorisim, this is just stupidity. Relax. Calm yourself.

Comment by kou
2007-10-27 14:04:48

> Brett

This is Terrorisim.
誰もリラックスしないよ! 
他人の迷惑を考えろ!
後始末する人間のことも考えろ!

なぜ、外国人はこうも馬鹿ばっかりなの?
Why are foreigner so stupid?
You foreigner get out of Japan.

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Comment by Brett
2007-10-27 14:29:36

I understand that this is a stupid event. But I think your hatred and vile is really a bit overboard. Where is your passion for real problems?

Now I know how it feels to be a Korean.

And I am in Japan teaching YOUR children how to speak English.
Once they can learn to speak and write correctly, I will leave.
Needless to say that will be more than a few years. Until then, see you soon.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ニュー速民
2007-10-27 11:54:13

なんだこれ、俺たちに“動け”ってことか
そろそろ毛唐集団のひとつでも潰して力見せる時か
しかし、なんでもν即にもちこむなよな
ま、実際何とかしちゃう俺らも俺らだけどw

 
Comment by ニュー速民
2007-10-27 11:56:05

何がムカつくってJapanProbeの毛唐共はネット界の
一大派閥である俺らニュー速民をスルーしてる点なんだよ
アイツら『先輩も一緒にやってみませんか?』みたいな一言が
あってもいいと思うんだけど目上に対する敬いの気持ち?
みたいな物を持ち合わせていないのかね?

 
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2007-10-27 11:58:41

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Comment by VIPPER
2007-10-27 12:04:47

FACK YOU

2007年10月27日(土) JR新宿駅 13番線 池袋行き 21:08発の
山手線に乗る気違い毛唐共を包丁でメッタ刺しにしてやる
繰り返す、これは脅しではない。
俺はマジでお前等を殺すつもりだ。覚悟しとけ。

[Comment from Admin: Wow, a blatant death threat. Such a comment would be normally deleted, but it will be kept for the record.

In case anyone is wondering about this user’s info:
Author : VIPPER (IP: 88.198.50.146 , static.88-198-50-146.clients.your-server.de)
E-mail : vip@de.ya.re
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Comment by the overthinker
2007-10-27 12:18:50

Interesting how many of the comments from the Japanese side are so much more spiteful and angry than English comments that JP tends to get, even in the more opinionated threads. Actual death threats, for example, as in the attempt above, are quite rare. Of course this is just mindless ranting and will not happen, but I can’t help wonder if it violates the posting guidelines….

Comment by James
2007-10-27 12:53:34

There are so many comments that it’s becoming difficult to moderate them. I’ve added the Japanese line you suggested, but they’re still making racist crap comments and death threats by the dozen.

I think I’ll leave some of them intact as a record of how 2-channelers express their views. (I’ll still be deleting the giant ASCII cock drawings they’re submitting, though.)

 
 
Comment by richard b. bob
2007-10-27 12:39:17

I don’t mind this…
As long as it’s done with responsibility, and not involving any other passengers who don’t want to be bothered by drunks.

 
Comment by Saeub
2007-10-27 12:48:11

法的には何が行けないのですか?車内でお酒を飲んでいるオヤジとどこが違うのですか?

もしこのような行為が嫌であれば、車内でお酒を飲んでは行けないなどといったような条例ができるように政治家に求めればいいだけの話さ。ただしそうしたら、外国人だけでなく、誰でも車内でお酒を飲んで行けなくなりますよ。日本の政治家の半分が毎晩車内でお酒飲んでいる。残りの半分は車を運転して帰りながらお酒を飲んでいる。だからそんな法律はできない。

彼らがやろうとしていることは日本の法律に一切反していない。だから毎年平気でできる。警察やJRに通報したってどうにもならない、もうわかっていて、違反していないので法的に認めているからだ。

しかし、法的に認めていられないのは、このような日本人として恥になるような野蛮なコメント:


2007年10月27日(土) JR新宿駅 13番線 池袋行き 21:08発の
山手線に乗る気違い毛唐共を包丁でメッタ刺しにしてやる
繰り返す、これは脅しではない。
俺はマジでお前等を殺すつもりだ
—–

その方がよっぽどいけない。
どうぞ、ご自由にやってください。死刑台が待っています。

Comment by kou
2007-10-27 13:39:23

あなたの主張は成立していません。

あなたは、自分自身をもっと真剣にみつめるべきです。
法律で規制されてないからなにをしても良いという主張は
現実の社会では成り立ちません。

なぜ、人は他者に敬意を払ったりマナーを守らなければならないのか、あなたは真剣に考える必要があるでしょう。

 
Comment by margrettt
2007-10-27 18:39:31

問題点をすりかえるなよ。
そもそもお前等の暴れ方が尋常じゃないからこうやって文句言いにきてんだろうが。わかってないのか?

それに外国人に限らず日本人でも、酒飲んで暴れてるクソバカは逮捕されるんだよ。まあ中には大人の事情でその網をかいくぐる卑怯者もいるわけだが、残念ながらお前らはそういう風にはなれないってことをもうすぐ思い知るんじゃないかな。

 
 
Comment by unco
2007-10-27 13:00:07

法律に反してなくても大迷惑。
だからマナーというものがある。わかる?

あと犯行予告はコピペでもアウト。
釣りだろうけどねー。

 
Comment by Saeub
2007-10-27 13:03:01

:;法律に反してなくても大迷惑。::

法律とはそういうものです。いけないことを法的にいけないと決める。貴方が好まないから行けないわけにならない。

自分にいわせると、邪魔で彼らにもヤジにっもやめて欲しいが、法的には問題がないからやめさせようがない。法律さえ作れば逮捕し放題。ただそれができるまでは火病を押さえてください

 
Comment by R
2007-10-27 13:05:05

I’m American– and I live in America… and EVEN I think that the people that do this in Japan are a bunch of idiots. Way to go for making us foreigners look WORSE.

 
Comment by DON'T DO THIS
2007-10-27 13:06:14

WE ARE IN JAPAN.
I am a legal expert thought, The act would be ILLEGAL.
JAPANESE LOVE JAPAN. If you also do, follow their advice.
They say “MANY JAPANESE PEOPLE have called POLICE and JR about the act. Some of you might be caught by POLICE.
Now ISHIHARA SHINTARO is going to be mad at you, cause of you foreigners.
YOU MUST GO HOME AND PAY TONS MONEY IF YOU ARE CAUGHT FOR THIS PROBLEM.
THINK ‘BOUT IT.

 
Comment by unco
2007-10-27 13:11:39

>Saeub
その一行しか読めなかったの?
馬鹿なの?ねえ馬鹿なの?

 
Comment by gg
2007-10-27 13:14:06

Halloween is a very vulgar event.
It was disillusioned to Europe and America people’s awful attitude.

 
Comment by Saeub
2007-10-27 13:20:24

unco:

どうしましたか?自分は反論ができない場合、相手を「バカ」だというのですか?それが日本人の議論のし方なんだ。なるほど、だから国際レベルでいう話はどこの誰も耳をかしてくれないんだ。

法的に問題がなくても、みんなの迷惑になるからなんとかしてほしいという貴方へ:
例えば、幼稚園生50人あまりの集団が電車に乗ってバカ騒ぎをしてみんなの迷惑になる。
逮捕できる?
できません。なぜなら、法律に反してないから法をもって罰することはできません。

社会にマナーに反しているといえば、社会的罰しか与えられない。つまりい、白い目で見る事。

Comment by DON'T DO THIS
2007-10-27 13:24:51

迷惑防止条例違反で逮捕できます。
「業にいらずんば業に従え」です。

 
Comment by kou
2007-10-27 13:41:13

あなたは、幼稚園児と自分を同じ目線で見てもらいたいのですか?
いい加減大人になってください。

ここの外国人は、本当に知能と思考能力が低すぎます!

 
 
Comment by 騒乱罪
2007-10-27 13:23:24

騒乱罪で逮捕

 
Comment by lawi
2007-10-27 13:24:22

>> Saeub

   __∩__ (ヽ __l⌒l                      __l⌒l
   (_  ,、`し’ (_   )’´ ̄ ヽ l⌒l   く ヽ l⌒l   く ヽ (_   )’´ ̄ ヽ
     / | .) |  /   /⌒)  | l  レ、  j_ノ l  レ、  j_ノ /   /⌒)  |
    (_ノ(_ノ  `i__ノ   (_ノ ヽ__ノ     ヽ__ノ    `i__ノ  ( O ノ

 
Comment by R
2007-10-27 13:25:47

As someone that is not Japanese, I’m really ashamed by their behavior. Please do not think that all Europeans and Americans are like this. I also think that this whole event is really stupid. I hope that something will be done about this (arrests, or deportation) because these people are obviously taking their stay in Japan for granted. I don’t want people to generalize that everyone that is foreign is inconsiderate and badly behaved. These people make us all look bad.

 
Comment by ouch
2007-10-27 13:31:13

party yamero.

 
Comment by vipper
2007-10-27 13:32:08

山手線ハロウィン外人潰しOFF
http://wwwww.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1193446882/

大事にならないうちにやめなさい

 
Comment by お得な情報
2007-10-27 13:38:15

犯罪です。罰則も当然あります。ソースは以下。
まあ違法でないにしろ、迷惑行為はするべきではないですけどね。

http://www.reiki.metro.tokyo.jp/reiki_honbun/g1012212001.html

東京都 公衆に著しく迷惑をかける
暴力的不良行為等の防止に関する条例
第5条(粗暴行為の禁止)

 
Comment by Keith
2007-10-27 13:45:38

I was actually interested in joining this, until I realized it was a bunch of foreigners being obnoxious. If it was a Japanese thing, then it means that some part of the Japanese community enjoys it. If it’s foreigners only, then it is just people being rude.

I’m sad to be a foreigner in Japan on this day.

And for Japanese people, most foreigners aren’t like this. I hope this doesn’t give you a bad image of all foreigners.

 
Comment by unco
2007-10-27 13:51:39

ところで今日台風だけどやるの?
足滑らせて線路に落ちるとかマジやめてくれよ。

 
Comment by 関係ないけど
2007-10-27 13:57:06

俺も今夜新宿方面に行くんだわ。
この前料理してたら包丁の刃が欠けちゃってさ
んで新しい包丁を買ってこようと思うんだけど、
もしかしてうっかり帰宅途中に手が滑って
電車内でハローウィンパーティやってる連中を
刺してしまうかもしれないから注意した方がいいかも

 
Comment by up,
2007-10-27 13:57:13

    / ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄\   / ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄
   (  人____)< Yamanote Halloween Train….
   |./  ー◎-◎-)  \______________
   (6     (_ _) )    
   | .∴ ノ  3 ノ  ______
    ゝ       ノ  .|  | ̄ ̄\ \
   /       \__|  |    | ̄ ̄|
  /  \___      |  |    |__|
  | \      |つ    |__|__/ /
  /     ̄ ̄  | ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄|  〔 ̄ ̄〕
 |       | ̄

 
Comment by 1
2007-10-27 13:59:38

Does not the white have the word common sense in the brain?

 
Comment by LOD
2007-10-27 14:08:26

These locusts from 2ch really should go somewhere else. They never understand Japan Probe is not encouraging the event, but merely reporting it from the neutral POV.

既に上でも書かれてることだけど、もう一度言っておくか。Japan Probeは別にハロウィンパーティーを推奨なんかしてないぞ。パーティーに参加している奴等を批判するのは勝手だが(っていうか俺もムカつくが)、それとJapan Probeをイコールで結びつけるな。

Comment by The Overthinker
2007-10-27 20:34:38

How do I type in red?

Comment by James
2007-10-27 21:30:04

You can’t: I edited this comment to make it red so that the dumb 2channel folks might notice it. They seemed to think that reporting about the party’s date and time, something that had already been posted on most Japan forums and wikipedia, was equal to my endorsement of this event.

For the time being I have turned off comments without registration, since the number of worthless comments from the 2ch crowd was getting to be too much.

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Comment by The Overthinker
2007-10-27 21:52:50

I figured that was why you had done it - had to get a new password sent out. Not that I blame you considering the insanity that was happening here.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ryosuke
2007-10-27 14:34:29

I’m join this party!

 
Comment by unco
2007-10-27 14:34:50

じゃあ何で日時まで宣伝してるんですか?
散々煽って立場が悪くなると関係ありませんですか。そうですか。

 
Comment by No life
2007-10-27 14:51:20

wth?!

Actually idea isnt bad, but drinking and making noize is quite bad manner.
i think this is one of why many japanese people dont like foreigners. ya u guyz are just horrible.

in japan, do as japaneses do.
or go back to ur xxxxxxxx country!

 
Comment by 2ch-nera.jichoushiro.
2007-10-27 14:55:18

色々問題のあるトピックスではあるし、2007年の日時はブラインドするべきだった。しかし、この掲示板で記載された外国人への犯罪予告や犯罪予告まがいは警察に通報した方が良い。

 
Comment by ryosuke
2007-10-27 14:57:47

I’m japanese.
This party is good!!

I like coffee.

 
Comment by 名無し
2007-10-27 15:17:18

今夜は神風が吹く

 
Comment by Yuuki Okada
2007-10-27 15:18:27

I just hope anyone who drinks liquor and/or smokes in Yamanote line die a flaming death before anything.

 
Comment by Q
2007-10-27 15:22:08

No one knows “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”…

How do you feek if we do like you in your hometown? Feel good?

 
Comment by John Titor
2007-10-27 15:22:51

I participate in the amechon party.

 
Comment by RIGHT WING
2007-10-27 15:23:10

I will kill this foreigners with knife at Shinjuku station 21:00 PM.
And blast trains on JR Yamanote line. fack off.

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Comment by newsk
2007-10-27 15:23:28

今台風来てるから大変だよ

 
Comment by newsk
2007-10-27 15:27:02

Tropical Cyclone Information
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/072024.html

 
Comment by iiiiiii
2007-10-27 15:28:40

なぜ管理人は俺のコメントを反映させないんだ?

>LOD
推奨していないが非難もしていないよね。
ただ掲載している。それも日時も載せて詳しく。
宣伝だと受け取られても文句は言えないな。

それにこれはどこから転載したのか気になるなあ。
少なくともイコールではないかもしれないが、
なんらかの関係があると見てしまうなあ。

Comment by James
2007-10-27 15:34:11

Readers of this site are probably aware that I have commented on my opposition to the Yamanote Halloween party after last year’s party:
http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=657

 
 
Comment by togu
2007-10-27 17:05:53

Those who go to the party! Should be careful, I see alot of treats. That’s why some people say polite racists. I don’t think japanese soccer fans would be sitting quietly if they gather together in one place! If they can’t have fun, let them walk from Shinjuku. It is healthy by the way!

 
Comment by margrettt
2007-10-27 18:17:04

お前等がどこで何をしようが知ったこっちゃないし、迷惑さえかけなければどうだっていいんだよ。

ただ場所を考えろ。もしその場に体の不自由な人や年寄りがいて、お前らがバカ騒ぎしてる拍子に怪我したりレールに落ちたりしたらどう責任とるつもりだ?一般人がそうなる可能性だってある。わざわざあのクソ狭い、人が混んでる駅や電車でやるんだからな。お前等もそれを承知でやってるとしたら、それは犯罪行為なんだよ。

それを想像して罪悪感に苛まれないとしたらお前等は人間じゃない。終わってる。さっさとブタ箱に入れ。

 
Comment by sum
2007-10-27 22:34:16

jamesとか言う奴、またコメント削除しやがったな。
節度の無い外人が蛍光灯割って山の手線運行ストップしたぞ。
コメント削除なんて姑息な手使わずに反論してみろよ。
日本語読めるんだろ?

Comment by James
2007-10-27 22:46:42

Can you read English? If you could, you’d understand that this site has a policy of moderating/deleting comments:
http://www.japanprobe.com/?page_id=1242

I don’t remember why your original comment was deleted, but your second comment was deleted because it was just a comment complaining about how I deleted your previous comment.

Anyway, thanks for the picture of the scene at Shinagawa.

Comment by The Overthinker
2007-10-27 22:53:14

Perhaps you might need to change the first one to read
“No racist comments or racial slurs. [That includes: Jap, Nip, 毛唐, etc.]”….

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Comment by sum
2007-10-27 22:37:52
 
Comment by The Overthinker
2007-10-27 22:55:50

In a slightly unrelated topic, is it just me and my non-major metropolitan centre, or is Halloween really big this year all of a sudden? A few years back there was nothing, then a few small-scale Halloweeny things, but this year, pretty much everywhere….

 
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