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[–]SSG_Metal 108ポイント109ポイント  (28子コメント)

Also, EVERYONE should start implementing security culture in their lives right now. Get TOR, VPNs, encrypt your emails, scrub your personal info from websites where you can, etc. DO IT NOW.

[–]TuxmascotPost-leftist, Socialist-Cryptoanarchy 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm willing to provide encryption/crypto advice to anyone who wants it. My gpg key is below, if you want to use it.

Ask here or PM, I'll respond as soon as I can for anything related to equipment, ciphers, best practices, etc.

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[–]valahev 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for providing help!

On a somewhat related note: I have several Keybase invitations to give away. It's a very beginner friendly way to map your public keys and share files (among other things).

If anyone's interested - shoot me a PM.

[–]Isaac22877822 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you mind giving some advice on how you would encrypt and decrypt a message using gnupg.

[–]TuxmascotPost-leftist, Socialist-Cryptoanarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sure!

So, first you need to create a key. On the command line, you'll do:

gpg --gen-key

You'll be prompted for some information. This should be relatively easy to do. There are two things you want to pay attention to -- the kind of key you're generating and the size of it.

I always choose 4096-bit keys for the extra security. The kind of key you want will most likely by "RSA and RSA". This is the default and it works well.

Also, be sure that you use a strong passphrase to protect your key. This is a good site to test your passphrase. Take notice of the 'entropy' level. Entropy, to put it simply, is the measurement of randomness or uncertainty in your passphrase. You'll want something of, at least, 60-bits of entropy. I'd recommend 70 or 80 bits, but 60 is good enough.

Second, you'll need to import the other person's public key. For example, I have provided mine above. Copy and paste that into a file somewhere and name it as <person>.asc. In my case, it could be tuxmascot.asc. To import it, do:

gpg --import tuxmascot.asc

That will import my public key into your key list. You should see a key id (like a name) with some info returned afterwards. You can view all the keys you import by doing:

gpg --list-keys

Encrypting information to me is just as simple. Write your message in a file on your system, then do:

gpg --armor --encrypt --recipient <key id> <file to encrypt>

This will create a file named <file to encrypt>.asc which you can post here or in a PM or in an email for the other person to decrypt.

The '--armor' flag makes it so that the output converts from bytes to ascii to allow for easier transport.

To decrypt a message received, take the message and place it in a file (if not already), and do:

gpg --decrypt <file to decrypt>

It will prompt you for your passphrase. Upon entering it correctly, it will decrypt and the output will be returned.

Anything I can clarify or touch up on?

[–]behemoththeman 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

As someone that's shit at computers what are those and where do I start? Any tutorials on activist security out there?

[–]KropotkinIsLove- Red, Black and Proud 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tor is a browser that hides your identity from the servers (websites) you're visiting and thus from secret services. It's really the most fundamental thing about online security and staying anonymous while browsing the web. VPNs work similarly to Tor but offer less security if I recall correctly. Emails can be encrypted in the eMail client Mozilla Thunderbird with an AddOn called Enigmail.

The problem with Tor is that there are still many things you need to keep in mind in order to stay anonymous. Many of them are common sense - like don't use a username you've used before or something like that. Others aren't really, for example, you shouldn't open pdfs as pdf readers could potentially reveal your identity. Downloading files is generally not an issue, but opening can be. So if you want to download and open files securely, you should install Tails on a live CD or USB stick. It's an operating system that completely relies on the Tor Network.

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://ssd.eff.org/en is a fine start

[–]Trololler 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Know any good email services?

[–]wamsachel 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://protonmail.com/

It's offshore and encrypts the e-mail, so even if they were lawfully willed into giving up data, it'd just be encrypted blobs.

Edit, also check out Signal messaging app if you haven't already. Signal was founded by an outspoken anarchist, Moxie Marlinspike

[–]WinterAyars 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good email services can't survive the current climate for long. Encrypting emails yourself is a better place to start and use services that are huge (more anonymity). All that goes out the window if your personal machine is compromised, though.

[–]moobunny-jb 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or your recipient's.

[–]WinterAyars 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's less "instant game over", but still pretty serious yeah.

[–]Agora_Black_Flag- Anarchist w/ Adjectives & Post Civ Mutalist (IWW) 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Autistici.

[–]FarmerJones 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get a linode and make your own.

[–]mobialtac 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do what you can into the future, but they already have everything else.

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 174ポイント175ポイント  (42子コメント)

Looking past the obvious -

The center 'left' is dead. Clinton ran after republicans and failed. Us and sanderistas are the opposition now. Liberals are shattered.

Remember though US friends we're no longer fighting against a neoliberal security state - we're fighting fascism.

Remember the failures of the generalidad, of sophie scholl.

Stay safe. Keep the faith.

edit: adding in some great stuff a friend sent me.

Uhh...I was just going to say "we have our work cut out for us" and we do. But a sinking feeling made me think twice because we'll be facing the people that elected him for him, not just as a vote against Hillary.

Of course, we know they're (both candidates) are both part of high elites with similar interests, just as the "working class"/ "bottom 99%" are "in theory". But I'm thinking of the obvious loud minority of white supremacists and grab-bag of bigots & xenophobes that will be (what? Enthusiastic now?validated?entitled?).

As you once told me, "this is the best possible scenario" (you did once, lol, you accelerationist fuck 😆👍👌). Now I'm thinking it might be, as it brings "the fight" closer "to home". Perhaps a civil war will mean more peace worldwide? (I'm joking, mostly 🙃😇).

Trump already symbolically "declared war" (in many ways, but also) when he refused to accept if Hillary won. Him winning did not avoid said "war", but it just put him on the upper-hand, home field advantage (plus we might have avoided WW3 if Hillary's red-scare war mongering was to be believed).

He'll manage to unify everybody (except that group that is pumped at his election) against him.

This is easier for "us" as it's less awkward/forced to unite with Dems & 3rd party against Trump, than with Trumpers against Hillary if she won. This 4yr term will be a black & white conflict (pun intended), and not the gray area of battling liberals and questioning their "progressiveness".

This is not a deep or accurate analysis in any way, just helping us get into the mindset so that we can hit the ground running (and other platitudes, lol) instead of getting shocked and paralyzed in disbelief.

Breathe in, breathe out. You got this. 😆

[–]mypersonnalreader 19ポイント20ポイント  (35子コメント)

sanderistas

Is sanderistas as pejorative name, like tumblerinas, or is it more like a play on Sandinista?

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

tomato, tomato

[–]YoStephenFuck yo -ism! Get a new one! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It all looks the same on the cue cards

[–]mypersonnalreader 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I do not understand

[–]insidescreamingvoicewhen you come out your shit is gone 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

oh i was joking like tomato, tomahto

i honestly have no idea maybe i made it up?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]qrx53 29ポイント30ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's an ironic play on Sandinista, because they think they're revolutionary. It is pejorative but I wouldn't say in the same way as "Tumblrina," which is a bit misogynistic.

[–]mypersonnalreader 27ポイント28ポイント  (22子コメント)

I see. But aren't Sander supporters a good base to radicalize?

[–]themrrinzler 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, I used to be Sanders till the end, I'm now full on ancom. I didn't realize how radical I was until I discovered this sub to be honest

[–]veganbikepunk 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

that's cool. i legit didn't know any of you came around. I figured they'd all be scooped up by the more mainstream dems or some third party write-in style masturbation

[–]SherwoodDangerPost-structuralism 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair almost all of them did

[–]SolidWookie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many still held tight to the notion of American style democracy. I was also radicalized by this election though.

[–]qrx53 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

Maybe, but as they are now they are 0% radical.

[–]almondmint 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Go over to r/political_revolution, the sub where they are congregating right now, and search for socialism. I was surprised to see they are mostly defending actual socialism, not just the welfare state. I've seen inumerous references to Chomsky, plenty to Graeber, Bookchin and Rojava. I would avoid insulting them, I feel like the dissatisfaction with the election has turned a lot of Sanders supporters into comrades, or at least open to our ideas.

[–]liquidzwords 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can confirm. I supported Sanders and came to this sub and found myself agreeing with you all on a lot of issues. Given, I had previously considered the idea of anarchy, but never really read up too much on it so I continued to be brainwashed by ideology that said it couldn't work. (P.s. Any readings you can recommend would be awesome)

[–]LoraxPopularFront 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's sort of backwards for why it's derogatory. The term was initially used by centrist pundits ridiculing them for being socialists (Sandinista is not exactly a well-regarded position in the American political mainstream).

[–]negroyverde#FeelTheStirn // Renzo Novatore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both

[–]Hyalinemembrane 79ポイント80ポイント  (1子コメント)

FUCK liberals they did this.

[–]Neil_young_freak 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I swear I only saw liberals talking about trump and linking to stories about him and his tweets on Facebook. My trump voting friends stayed quiet. Liberals gave him all the ad space he needed.

[–]necropantser 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The center 'left' is dead

They will be back. They are useful idiots who are funded by those with money.

[–]Adahn5♦ The Communist Harlequin ♦ 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

we're fighting fascism

We're not fighting fascism. We're fighting a highly authoritarian Capitalist regime. This does not equal fuhrerprinzip or brown people being dragged out of their homes and put into camps. What we face has the potential of being fascistic but 'tis not fascism comrade. We need to stop calling anything authoritarian "fascism".

Read Gentile, Schmitt, Heidegger, Rosenberg. That's fascism.

[–]ACABandsoldierstoo 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Heidegger was a fascist?

Oh shit, he was.

[–]Csongli 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I remember correctly, he later "changed his mind".

[–]DragQueen_Eclipse 68ポイント69ポイント  (7子コメント)

America has showed us and the world exactly what and Who they are. Homophobic, Misogynistic, Bigoted Fascist

it is now our time, we must take action and control

[–]markovich04 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Learn to fight, learn to shoot.

Agitate, educate, organize.

After that I'm out of ideas. Suggestions?

[–]DragQueen_Eclipse 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Organization is important, Demonstrations, Protest and Solidarity, Not Riots right now, they are just looking for ways to use Violence against us. we need to speak out and loud and put actions to words.

Helping each other and relying on ourselves

[–]wanab3 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's been the historical pattern. Microcosm of the macrocosm.

We have control. Always have. We do everything. We just have to find our groove to work together. Common enemies work. No more bullshit infighting. Period.

[–]DragQueen_Eclipse 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solidarity is a must, this is the time where we stand and fight, this is now reality

[–]mypersonnalreader 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

America has showed us and the world exactly what and Who they are. Homophobic, Misogynistic, Bigoted Fascist

Yeah, hum, we already knew that.

[–]DragQueen_Eclipse 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We did, but it was always a whisper to those refusing to see past blind Nationalism, now it has been yelled and celebrated, there is no more curtain

[–]Sikletrynet 109ポイント110ポイント  (65子コメント)

Fuck. Not that i like Clinton in any way, but what the fuck do we do now

[–]JudgeHolden1 160ポイント161ポイント  (19子コメント)

we stand together and fight the fascists like we always have comrade

[–]Evolutionfire 68ポイント69ポイント  (8子コメント)

Fascism is winning a large battle my friend. These are dark days.

[–]NarrowHipsAreSexytranswoman living under tyranny 68ポイント69ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've been literally sick all evening watching the election results.

This country is full of complacent people who have underestimated the extreme right. And now we are in a truly dire situation.

I am honestly incredibly scared and sick. I'm shaking.

[–]Evolutionfire 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also have been in adrenal rush, fight or flight panic.

[–]7775257grey zoner 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me too. Trying to calm down and tell all my RL friends to be safe. Like none of us are white, middle-class, straight or cis or otherwise just riding it out and I am genuinely afraid.

[–]Augtheripper 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad I'm not the only. I can't sleep and feel like I'm gonna throw up...

[–]Pinga_shampoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. People just seem to turn a blind eye

[–]Elzair 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went to bed early and just woke up to the news. Holy Shit! I am still in shock.

[–]dzzeko 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

Buying a gun tomorrow, any recommendations?

[–]General_Jizz 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure if this is joke or serious question but if you go check the FAQ for the main guns subreddit they offer answers/suggestions in regards to this question. Long story short though they're all going to say that it depends on your situation and how you plan to use it. If you live in a state where you can relatively easily get a concealed carry permit and you want to have it on your person then you might want to get something very small. However this is recommended against if you don't have a lot of experience with shooting and want to learn/practice as many people will say that these smaller guns are more difficult to aim. Here are some pistols I've heard recommended many times (if you're looking for a handgun):

Glock 19 (9 mm), Smith & Wesson M&P22 (.22 LR),

or if you want a small pocket handgun you might consider one of these: a ruger lcp (.380 ammo) or like a kel-tec p3at (.380 acp) Or like beretta nano (9mm) Or like a smith & wesson (subcompact) m&p shield (9mm)

But when you go to the gun store tomorrow there's a very good chance you won't find any of these (even though they're not uncommon). You'll probably just end up looking around at a few different places, asking questions, and then doing your own research online to find out which of their limited selection would be best for you. I wouldn't be too suprised if a lot of places are almost totally sold out on ammo though (which is apparently just something that always happens around Election Day) so you might not be able to use it for a while

[–]Cascadianarchist2cascadian/queer/rabidly-atheist/socialist/techno-tree-hugger 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What type are you looking for, and what's your budget?

If you want the cheapest damn gun possible, pawn shops tend to have single shot break-action shotguns for $50-$100, and likewise have single-shot .22 rifles. Not great for defense or revolution, but better than nothing, and affordable to almost anyone.

If you're looking for an all-around doer at cheapest price, get any number of used pump action 12 gauge shotguns, available typically from $150 to $200. With a shotgun you can use various types of ammunition for various purposes, including small game hunting if that were a factor, up through and including defense against humans or even large animals/unarmored vehicles.

If you go up a little from there, you can get into some decentish rifles for defensive use, namely hi-point carbines and SKS rifles, the former being 10-round magazine-fed semi-automatic rifles that use pistol cartridges, and can be had for $200-$300 in most places, and the latter being soviet and chinese surplus military semi-automatic rifles fed from 10 round stripper clips and using the same cartridge as the AK-47, so a bit more powerful, but unfortunately costing a bit more at $300 for a bottom tier and battered chinese example up to $500 for a nicer russian or even more for a yugoslavian.

For pistols, you can get bottom tier defensive guns pretty cheap, with the heritage rough rider .22 revolvers going for $100-$200 but in a poor cartridge for defensive use, and being limited in single-action functionality, but more ideally there are the hi-point handguns in more standard defensive calibers for $150-$200, and Rock Island Armory double-action revolvers for $200-$250. If you can do $250, you can also get the sleeker and more concealable Bersa Thunder in .380, which while not ideal is an acceptable defensive caliber.

For handguns that are more war-bound and have higher capacities and larger size, Taurus P92s, surplus Glocks, and various Turkish knockoffs of brand name pistols can be had for $400-$600, but this is less important generally than a good rifle.

For a truly worthwhile rifle, I suggest getting something fairly standard so you can have good availability of parts and ammo: that means AR-15 or Kalashnikov designs, both of which are semi-automatic and typically hold 30 rounds in their magazines (though there may be legal limits on magazine size as well as on these rifles depending on your state, so be sure to check your laws) and in decent intermediate rifle calibers. This is what the militaries of the world give their infantry (more or less, theirs have the option to go full-auto, but ask any veteran and they'll tell you that they almost always used them in semi-auto) as well as what most of the right wing and fascist militias carry. This is what you want, if you can afford it. Low end models go for $500-$700

Also worth getting is body armor. Decent level III steel plates (which will stop most rifle rounds, which soft armor will not) can be had on ebay or through other internet sites for $50-$80 per plate, and dropped into a carrying vest that costs roughly $50 to provide front and back torso protection from most bullets you'd ever encounter. I'd recommend getting armor even if you don't get a gun, as it could save your life at a protest if it suddenly turns violent. Be aware however that it is restricted in some states, and committing certain crimes while wearing it is an additional felony, so be careful out there.

Regardless, remember to get proper training so you are both more effective with your gun and not a danger to yourself. Don't be a hero, don't be a martyr, a gun doesn't make you a god and a living comrade is more useful than a dead one, so use your gun only when prudent and necessary, and try not to break any laws because prison isn't worth it in almost any situation you're likely to encounter, and likewise be sure to study the laws in your state as they vary wildly and it's very easy to accidentally become a felon if you're not careful. A gun is just a tool, and one that will help you to stay safe in unstable times, but only if you recognize it's limitations and your own, and remember to use your brain. That said, welcome to the club, the left needs more armed proletarians.

[–]AutumnLeavesCascade& egoist-communist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great info, also don't forget the importance of a shooting strap. https://becomingriflemen.wordpress.com/becoming-riflemyn-the-text/

[–]Nipplestockings 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want a pistol, S&W Shield 9mm, Makarov, G19, SIG P226, Canik TP9, CZ75 or 82.

For a rifle, a WASR AK can be had for $550-700, an SKS for $350-650, a Mosin for $200-300, or a cheaper AR for $600-900.

For a shotgun, Maverick 88 is cheaper than some others and good quality.

[–]originalpoopinbutt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're looking for personal protection, you get a small revolver with a holster and a permit for concealed-carry.

[–]sagaofmalaria 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please don't buy a gun. It seems odd to me coming to the anarchist subreddit and seeing all these people with gun recommendations. Maybe it's because I'm in Canada, but these paranoid armed to the teeth, 2nd amendment worshiping gun nuts are a major part of the system I oppose. Companies that manufacture these weapons are directly responsible for the deaths of many thousands of people. The revolution can happen without supporting the gun industry and the NRA.

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

The revolution can't happen without guns, so if there's a way to get them that doesn't risk jail time I don't see what's wrong with it.

Like sure, shitty organizations get a dollar from my purchase. So? Slavers get a dollar when you buy candy, drone manufacturers get a dollar when you buy a car, the state gets a few cents off of every single one of your purchases, etc. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but at least a gun has the chance of taking away that money.

[–]Gaze_at_my_shoes 46ポイント47ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, I've only just realized how fucking anxious Trump makes me. I guess the biggest thing is I just hope against all reason that America isn't completely full of racist and fascist as it apparently is. I have no love for the American government, but I had at least some respect for for the American people as human beings who I thought wouldn't be fooled by such an obvious demagogue. I'm not saying people should of voted for Clinton, but fucking hell why are they voting for someone so blatantly racist?!

[–]Greaserpirate 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

They were always there. Now they're out of hiding.

[–]Gaze_at_my_shoes 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just never expected this to come into main-stream politics, I was used to neoliberal bullshit and capitalist exploitation, but fucking fascism? Wasn't ready for that.

[–]Sikletrynet 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

but fucking fascism

Just barely out of the memory of people since the last time a major uprising of fascism happend, it's just so fucking sad

[–]Greaserpirate 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fascists have come out of their holes. Now it's time to play whack-a-mole.

[–]Anarcho_punk217 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was listening to fox and they kept talking about how Trump was able to speak to people other candidates don't. They didn't say it, but we know exactly who these people are. The people who went in hiding when shit like segregation ended. The alt-right as they call themselves now.

[–]somedudeorwhatevs 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

We raise fucking class consciousness, and we get ready for the revolution.

Same as we do every night pinky.

[–]directaction 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

what the fuck do we do now

tool up

[–]SSG_Metal 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fight the fascists. No more of the "let's talk to them" bullshit. The likes of NSM and KKK will feel justified even more so now than ever to use violence. Brexit saw a rise in hate crimes, the US might well too. It's a matter of survival that we and our communities defend ourselves by any means necessary. Organize comrade, find a local group and do what you can.

[–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 29ポイント30ポイント  (9子コメント)

In addition to what everyone else is saying, its not as horrifying as it sounds. Most people voted for him because they didnt wanna vote for Clinton. They're gonna jump ship. Shit, I'll wager he's impeached within the year.

Trump himself was never the problem. Hell bluster but be ineffective. But he's a lightening rod for the alt right and Pence, who are the real dangers. Im not for accelerationism, but his voting just makes the enemy clearer.

[–]Sikletrynet 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump himself was never the problem. Hell bluster but be ineffective. But he's a lightening rod for the alt right and Pence, who are the real dangers. Im not for accelerationism, but his voting just makes the enemy clearer.

Yeah i mentioned this exactly in another comment. As incompetent and moronic as Trump is, he's not the one i'm scared about, it's his supporters and basically the message this election is sending i'm scared about. The fascists pretty much know they're free to come out of their basements now.

Historically accelerationism has never worked, atleast to my knowledge. But i sincerely hope this can act as a wake up call, that capitalism just isn't working for the average person.

[–]nosewings 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Shit, I'll wager he's impeached within the year.

Republican majority in both houses of Congress. It won't happen.

[–]J4k0b42 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

And even if it does, is Pence really much of an improvement?

[–]karijay 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pence is tangibly worse. Pence is like Ted Cruz.

[–]J4k0b42 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm honestly not sure. I don't think Pence is an outright fascist like Trump has a real possibility of being but his brand of theocratic conservatism could be almost as harmful, especially with the full support of congress which Trump may not have.

[–]karijay 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pence supports conversion therapy to "cure" homosexuality. That alone is more disqualifying, in my opinion.

[–]Sssgthpragmatic market libsoc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if you want gay marriage and sodomy outlawed and the new laws enthusiastically enforced.

[–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point.

[–]Augtheripper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My biggest concern is the Supreme Court nominee... He can do some real damage there.

[–]markovich04 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both big parties are going to crack up. Treat it as an opportunity.

Plenty of agitated liberals that should get educated and organized.

[–]NarrowHipsAreSexytranswoman living under tyranny 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whatever we have to do to stop fascism.

[–]YoStephenFuck yo -ism! Get a new one! 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good ol fashioned solidarity?

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 34ポイント35ポイント  (18子コメント)

On the bright side, America will be a laughing stock all over the world and its murderous empire will crumble. Fascism burns out fast.

[–]Calubedy 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but the fascists have the largest and most powerful military in the world. Countries that formerly fought fascism have artificially small militaries because of the Amerikkkan world police. Should the fascists choose to use that power, no matter how quickly it crumbles, terrible harm can be done.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've already been using it to do terrible harm for decades.

[–]philovampire 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

It often takes a lot of people with it though.

[–]HermanissoxxxLabels won't hold me down. 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Millions dead in ME and the Americas due to just the neoliberal period. Are you saying our American lives are more important than theirs?

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly what they're saying, it's what all these vote-Hillary-to-save-America 'anarchists' have been saying for months. Anarcho-imperialists are all around us.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's already taken a shitload of people. Just not (white) Americans.

[–]DontSleep1131 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fascism burns out fast.

But not before the left in this country suffers greatly.

[–]nosewings 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

The murderous empire will almost certainly be replaced by a different murderous empire. There's nothing to celebrate in the center of power just shifting to China or Russia while liberal democracy gives way to fascism.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

(Don't destroy the empire because then another empire will rise)

Don't worry, America fucked the environment up so much during their reign, that full collapse will come before that happens - Trump being elected will only speed it up - so instead of 2040, it'll now come even sooner.

[–]nosewings 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's nothing wrong with destroying the empire if you have good reason to believe that won't just make things worse. I see no reason to believe that this time.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not making anything worse, America did that all by itself.

[–]comix_corp/non-violent-ish 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

America has been a laughing stock since Reagan and it's murderous empire doesn't look like it'll be crumbling any time soon.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I beg to differ. All the signs are showing us that this is Rome throwing one last tantrum before it's swallowed up.

[–]comix_corp/non-violent-ish 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see how that's the case. Trump is as pro-corporate as they come and does not represent a seismic shift in American imperialism.

The American empire is driven by money. They haven't been imperialists for the hell of it. Trump will follow the dollars just like every other American politician.

[–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take up arms.

[–]Malvineous_Havershim 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

We fight. That's what we have always done and what we need to do now more than ever.

[–]PotatoricanStarchy Anarchy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the road to /r/COMPLETEANARCHY is bathed in a lot more fash blood than we realized

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 45ポイント46ポイント  (9子コメント)

Dude there are military experts on CNN right now talking about generals openly defying Trump if he orders them to do some of the shit he's promised.

This seems like the most volatile moment in US politics since 9/11, this is the best chance the system is going to give us anytime soon unless it just flat out doesn't recover.

[–]rleanor_eoosevelt 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

meh. remember all the torture and massacre from Bush 2003? the military will do what they're told. they always do

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, you're probably right.

It really just depends on how the deep state reacts to this and it will probably take a while before that's apparent.

[–]mypersonnalreader 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dunno. Torturing the random prisonner is not the same as, say, using nukes.

[–]Ohco 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I was wondering if he pulls out of NATO, tries to get into a war with Russia, or threatens to use nukes, if there would be a coup. A coup in the US has always been pure fantasy, but with Trump I don't know.

[–]wamsachel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

These experts feed us this line for every president though. The spokes people throw a public tantrum, meanwhile in private briefings they just run down the list of 'imminent threats'. It's all gross, through and through.

[–]Trololler 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup. Dont know why im surprised. White people dont feel nearly as threatened by Trump as most minorities do...

[–]chronicheadbang 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will really make the scum come out of hiding. It is gonna be a whole lot more dangerous to be non-white in America

[–]Guy_de_Nolastname 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I might be a committed anarchist now.

[–]CultureVulture629 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, I've been on the fence, hoping there would be a...less extreme way to go about things, but clearly that is not the case.

[–]johnnybravo1014 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

So we gonna actually burn some shit down now or keep bitching on a keyboard?

[–]rleanor_eoosevelt 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

so we've got bush-era necon, modern-day-christian crusaders in charge of the military instead of war mongering, oil-imperialist bankers... not that much of a big difference really on that front

but the domestic policy within the US is very bad, especially given Republican control of the House, Senate, and soon to be SCOTUS. Yes yes yes there's only marginal differences between Democrat and Republican. But marginal differences in enormous centers of power turn into very real and very big differences...

People of color, especially Muslims and Mexicans, are going to be so fucked. We're going to see an astronomical rise in white vigilantism and fascist groups everywhere. They are going to be so fucking empowered from this election result it will be unreal.

I'm a little bit beyond words right now tbh

well, other than that liberals should just be happy they're still alive unlike all the people Hillary's hawkish military tendencies would have killed

[–]Astagirl/ancom/queer/antifa 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, I'm probably gonna die.

[–]kupositive 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

My life expectancy seems rather precarious at the moment as well.

I'm going to try to find or develop a community of anarchists though. Not everyone is healthy enough to squat and go homeless, so I'm I'm interested in collectivist approaches to survival.

[–]HamburgerDude 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

guess its time to get in shape

[–]NocturnalGoose 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

SPD - Votes for WW1, deploys Freikorps against German revolutionaries. Such was that they were considered social fascists by the German commies.

Labour Party - Begins the neoliberal destruction of British labour unions and austerity. BEFORE Thatcher... Tony Blair and the Blairites are the result. Perhaps Corbyn can change things.

French Socialist Party - Mitterand was one of the architects of the neoliberal EU. Betrayed the 1968 student movements. Hollande is the result.

PASOK - Clientalist, corrupt and oligarchic. Helped torpedo the Greek economy and eviscerate the working classes. SYRIZA... the new PASOK.

The Democratic Party - Accomplished things which Republicans could only dream of. Exploded the prison industrial complex. Ended welfare and social provisions for the most vulnerable. Deregulated Wall St. Claimed change, delivered status quo neoliberalism.

Left parties? No thanks.

[–]sorin255 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Canadian NDP - Just plain useless.

That said it's really hard to consider The Democratic Party "left." Maybe by American standards, but even looking from the outside in as a Canadian, the only party they're "left" of is MAYBE the Conservative party.

[–]NocturnalGoose 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's really hard to consider The Democratic Party "left."

For sure you're right.

[–]killjoy27 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea. fuck it.

Time to organize and be there fighting.

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    [–]governmentflu 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Mike Pence is not going to be any better.

    [–]GuyofMshire 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Hell, shoot them both.

    [–]Ilbsll 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

    >not killing everyone in any position of power

    [–]movienevermade 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Because propaganda of the deed has won such great publicity and popular sympathy for our movement in the past, right?

    [–]jbkjbk2310| I aim to misbehave. 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can't wait for some liberal to explain to me how this isn't actually proof that the US is a fundamentally fascist and bigoted.

    Solidarity from a Danish comrade.

    [–]rek2gnulinuxAnarcho-hacker 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    this will show the liberals... CAN WE RIOT NOW!!! HIPPIES!!!????

    [–]Stanley83 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hold me....lol.

    What a fucking nightmare.

    Except this nightmare became reality.

    Fuck.

    [–]maustinreddit 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In the end, I suppose I believed what Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC and Hillary all believed: that Trump was so bad they could ignore the left, rig the primaries, get the candidacy through money, media, manipulation ... and still win. Sorry guys, you fucked up and need to be shipped far, far away from standing in opposition to Trump. Clearly it's the DNC that has collapsed.

    [–]selver- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Trump just played "You can't always get what you want, you get what you need" as his post-speech song. What the fuck.

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        [–]tripleyump 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

        what's your plan?

        Talking about assassinating the most powerful man in the world on a public forum seems to be the plan.

        [–]Ilbsll 27ポイント28ポイント  (57子コメント)

        What this? It's fucking hilarious IMO. Maybe I'm just drunk, but watching the American Empire fall to pieces in real time is really entertaining.

        Edit: Okay, it's not that funny. As much fun as it is to watch smug liberals squirm, it's not worth the potential destruction that will ensue.

        [–]ThinkMintyAnarchist Without Adverbs 71ポイント72ポイント  (53子コメント)

        Yeah, but I live there.

        [–]I-Downloaded-a-Car 47ポイント48ポイント  (16子コメント)

        Yeah, fuck this. We need to spend the next four years with the lunatic as our leader. Might be funny on the outside but from the inside it's sorta very bad.

        Of course Clinton wouldn't have been a ton better.

        [–]cellophant 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The effects on the supreme court will be felt far longer than 4 years. So bye bye legal abortion for the next generation. Not that funny from the outside either.

        [–]Sssgthpragmatic market libsoc 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If Trump and Pence are a Bush/Cheney style thing, welcome to state-sponsored anti-gay pogroms and brutally-enforced sodomy laws.

        [–]WinterAyars 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The Supreme Court being fucked is a goddamn nightmare. People are super underestimating how fucking bad that is, for sure.

        [–]Sikletrynet 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm seriously feeling it for american socialists, or even the left in general. The amount of reactionary horseshit that's gonna come out now is just gonna explode

        [–]dbzer0 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Remember: He's not your leader. He was just appointed as one.

        [–]can-we-fart-again 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I don't think anyone needed this reminder. While spectacle is totally real and relevant in its own way, material forces resulting from legitimately existing power/cultivated and fortified power structures (aka backed by tanks and cops and guns and brutal force fuk shit) affect the populace in a such a direct way that narratives like that are basically useless.

        [–]WinterAyars 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Clinton would have been considerably better, but still pretty awful. The "deep end" goes pretty deep.

        [–]mypersonnalreader 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Of course Clinton wouldn't have been a ton better.

        She may have been better for american citizens. For people of the third world, not so much.

        Maybe the US will get a taste of what they have exported for years.

        [–]I-Downloaded-a-Car 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Clinton is a war mongering rape apologist psychopathic criminal, yes, but Trump literally said he's going to bomb the terrorist's families and then waterboard those who remain. That's not really great either.

        [–]VonCrunchhausen 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Somehow, I get the feeling that the ruling class won't feel the pain of this election...

        [–]WinterAyars 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Quite the opposite, they're likely to do pretty well under a Trump adminstration. (Let's be honest, Clinton is basically in the pockets of the wealthy too.)

        [–]Gaze_at_my_shoes 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There's a big difference between the American people and the American government, not to mention those that will be most highly affected by Trump will be minorities. So in reality this whole "US will get a taste of its own medicine" thing is complete bullshit, it's just going to affected the already marginalized people of America, the people who are genuinely responsible for imperialism are gonna be just fine.

        [–]Ilbsll 17ポイント18ポイント  (31子コメント)

        Fair enough. I suppose this election was foreign oppression vs. domestic oppression.

        [–]ThinkMintyAnarchist Without Adverbs 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

        It's not like Trump is going to stop the foreign oppression.

        [–]Sikletrynet 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

        It's hardly up to him anyway. In all honesty, it's not Trump himself i'm scared about, it's his supporters. This is just sending a message that they can basically say and do anything they want

        [–]Ilbsll 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

        it's not Trump himself i'm scared about, it's his supporters

        That was my opinion before the results came in. I might just be going hysterical to cope... I really don't know anymore.

        [–]cellophant 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Like after the Brexit the British right was emboldened to assault foreigners in the streets. Imagine how emboldened the American right will become after this. How, for instance, will the fascists invaders at Standing Rock feel at liberty to behave now? How will the they patrol minority neighborhoods under a "law and order"-president? How normalized will the kkk become?

        [–]ThinkMintyAnarchist Without Adverbs 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

        If Trump wins, there is going to be more rape, at the very least.

        [–]IBYMBYBMYL 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

        As if Trump won't also continue the bombing of brown people all across the world?

        The biggest differences between Clinton and Trump are on LGBT issues and immigration/outright hatred of minorities. Clinton is just like Obama in these regards. Liberals may be shit, but at least they're generally sorta pro-LGBT and don't want to deport all immigrants and build a wall or hate women as much.

        [–]Ilbsll 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Remember what Malcolm X said about Goldwater in 64'? Maybe it's a bit accelerationist, but I don't think it's without substance.

        [–]IBYMBYBMYL 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

        This is the only potential good thing that might come out of a Trump win. Maybe it will force liberals to wake the fuck up and realize neo-liberalism and pacifist bullshit will never work.

        [–]PainusMania2018U WOT M8 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        realize neo-liberalism

        Yes, but not in the way we want. Neoliberalism has been effective at two things:

        1) Destroying the left

        2) Destroying itself

        This means the only people in the public eye offering change and getting through are Fascists. Todays liberals, will likely end up there.

        If any American Leftist is on this sub, you need to get armed and grouped with like minded individuals. And you need to do it now.

        [–]Sikletrynet 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Wouldn't count on it. Accelerationism has never to my knowledge led to anything good historically

        [–]WinterAyars 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Accelerationism has always been a theory that relies on people seeing something wrong and then doing what you want. It could very well be they go full fascist, instead. I've seen people purpose this as an explanation for why Trump is winning (that is, Trump victory is due to accelerationism style sentiment). In that sense it's a call for reactionary politics. It's also reliant on your opposition making essentially unforced errors, which is unwise.

        [–]Sikletrynet 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Accelerationism has always been a theory that relies on people seeing something wrong and then doing what you want

        Exactly. People are realising something is wrong, but they're turning to scapegoating as an outlet instead.

        [–]WinterAyars 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        There's always someone hanging around ready to blame Others as an easy explanation for why things suck. It's much easier to say "we just need to deport the Mexicans!" than "autonomous vehicles are going to obsolete 30% of the jobs in the United States".

        [–]jingleheimer_spliff 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I agree here. Trump's foreign policy will be nothing like Clinton's. He has no experience while she's been in the game for a long time. Just curious what will happen with Assad, ISIS, Russia and all that if he gets elected vs her.

        [–]hereandnotthere 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

        He made it pretty clear he was willing to take the drone killings to the next level (targeting the families of "terrorists"), didn't see why the US should not use its nukes and vouched to fill guantanamo and do far worse in terms of torture.

        [–]negroyverde#FeelTheStirn // Renzo Novatore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well said!! More honor in taking it

        [–]pining-for-fnords 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I live here too, and I find it funny as hell.

        But it's most likely a coping mechanism, and the uncontrollable wracking sobs will set in later.

        [–]markovich04 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It will hurt not benefiting from a huge empire.

        Liberation hurts.

        Not entirely irrelevant: https://youtu.be/TVwKjGbz60k

        [–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        As someone who has watched in terror for years as America raped and pillaged the planet, I'm not too choked up to see the nation in its death throes. It's been a fascist country for decades, now people will finally see it for what it is.

        [–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        /r/stealthissub

        Also there are some good links through the hidden wiki for some direct action kind of deals. Bunch of garbage covering it up but if you can stomach that it's worth it.

        [–]unthrowmeaway| ex-muslim 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I want to say that we need an actual strategy to deal with this. That we need direct action to address the failings of the state. That it has been high time for this for a long time. I am not sure if it means we need to have self governing distributed enclaves within a state, or what it means.

        About me: I don't know if that phrase even makes sense. Or if we are desperate and that is what we need. I am a white passing atheist muslim immigrant that gets paid well (comparatively) to work on things white people generally respect.

        Maybe it has been high time for this for a long time. Maybe the alternative to a state needs to begin in Trumps America. People will soon understand that the state is failing them and will need to turn to alternatives.

        Maybe it is on us. The corporation is increasing in power (and will continue to increase in power in Trumps America).

        What is the way forward?

        Do we plan to win this democracy shit in 4 or 8 years. Somebody tell me what the plan is.

        [–]valahev 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        All the solidarity in the world to millions of women, POC, LBGTQIA, muslims, immigrants & disabled people that scared shitless right now.

        [–]RainbowReject 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I got drunk for the first time tonight. Fuck.

        [–]Bastard-of-Ruckus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        U gonna be alright? Break edge or what? Hope ur all good, comrade! We got a war tomorrow!

        [–]TimMarben/ lapsed wobbly 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Copying and pasting this from my FB page. Time to join a Union if you're in America and haven't already, because precarity is about to get even more real for millions.

        1. This rise of populism and demagoguery appears to be a popular response to all the things the left has been warning people about for decades. The switch from manufacturing to finance-based economies, and the outsourcing of traditional forms of labour to other countries have smashed the working classes (of all colours, sexualities and genders). The left has no problem being insular and talking among itself at the best of times, so hopefully it can use this opportunity to have a word as to why it has drastically failed to control the discourse to such a tragic end. Those who have benefited from the global network of capital are now rising to positions of power on a ticket of isolationism and division - on racial and anti-immigration terms. Climbing the ladder and cutting the rungs below as they go on a nation-state scale.
        2. We've strip mined the world and the chickens are coming home to roost. We're made to be afraid of those 'chickens' whose crumbling societies are a result of our way of life. The tentacles of globalisation causing war, famine and poverty way, way, way over there where we don't have to think about it.
        3. The politics of identity are always important because it helps progressive movements to remember to analyse power structures and imbalances beyond that of capital and the heirarchies of labour. However, the reaction to old left troglodytes who espouse 'class emancipation first, everything else will follow' has created a shitty liberal streak in radical politics that has all but made a materialist class analysis verboten in radical circles. Massive props to combabes who have managed to keep a level sight on both.
        4. Look to the future. Frank Turner may be a bit of a shit, but his words that the left are 'locked inside some kind of 60s battle reenactment' is pretty true. The left used to look to the future to combat capitalist hegemony. We've lost our collective imagination of what a better world can look like. It's a world without work. A world where we embrace technology to throw off the yoke of labour. Most jobs are bullshit and do not need doing. Most jobs do not need doing. Most jobs, do not need doing. White radicals/progressives, it's your job to let the communities affected by these results grieve in peace while we explain - as nicely as we can - to the the people who did all those things, why they done fucked up.

        [–]TheEllimist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Weird how everyone was all "Clinton and Trump are literally the same, there's no point in voting," but now that the orange guy is going to be President in a few months, the reality is setting in.

        [–]anarcho-cynicalist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We have a real responsibility to be better organized, more coherent, and less fractious than ever before. We need to offer people a viable alternative to this fucking nightmare. We can't continue to be an irrelevant, marginal, in-fighting sideshow.

        [–]ElDiablo666 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I think now is as good as any to more closely revisit my idea that the current activism paradigm is corrupt. It was very popular on here 6-7 years ago and it's about time we lived up to it. So toward a new paradigm of activism we go! This is a call to action!

        First, we abandon the "anarchist bookstore" or cafe as the anarchist enterprise. We can and will do better. We need to ActRed my friends. Our goal should be to meet the needs of our own communities by going into the marketplace and competing with capitalist traitors in every facet of business. Let's go start hotels, clinics, theme parks, restaurants, legal offices, optometry, research facilities, and software development service firms.

        Then we go and completely turn things on their head. Workplace democracy is how we will not only be free but also competitive. We found these businesses as nonprofit corporations but not charities. Without bosses to steal our earnings or profit to waste on shareholders, we just so happen to be extremely competitive in any space we occupy. Imagine an anarchist hotel where the workers are free and the rates undermine the competition.

        I'm not saying all businesses succeed. So in order to fix this we ActRed. This is the donation and solidarity organization+software I am interested in creating. We have to connect to one another in some way. I think it's about time that we formed an organization with the explicit goal of connecting leftist groups, ensuring solidarity, and raising money. We'll need to shield ourselves from the market if we are not successful in supporting ourselves via the businesses alone.

        I know that was a lot but the time is now! The old activism paradigm is corrupt and it's time to fix it. This is how. It's not just one thing, it's not just workplace democracy; it's forming deliberate solidarity networks and societies of mutual aid, fighting business on their turf, and liberating ourselves. What better place than here? What better time than now?

        [–]maustinreddit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Fantasy phone call happening right now:

        Hillary [on phone to Henry Kissinger]: What the fuck Henry?

        Kissinger: I'm sorry Hillary, sometimes it doesn't work out the way we expected.

        Hillary: You fucking lying bastard, you knew what was up, you knew it!!! You said this was all sealed up. You fucking bastard.

        Kissinger: Don't lose you're cool Hillary, it's not very becoming of a lady. Heh heh...

        Hillary: Fuck you Henry.

        [Bill grabs phone] Bill: Hey Henry, I get it, don't worry about it. We're totally fine with this and we get it, I'm sure there's a lot in store for us, right? Trump's going to need our help, we know that, right? [Silence] Henry?

        Kissinger: I have to go now.

        [–]agentnolaviolently burn everything 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ive started buying a lots of Anarchist literature, in the hopes of really starting to organize and agitate.

        [–]chetrasho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Honestly IDGAF which scumbag is scumbagging.(*)

        (*) But I'm drunk.

        [–]wanab3 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Still think H will win because she's dirty as hell. Elections have been stolen before.

        We're fucked all the same regardless. Revolution is coming.