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Anyone watching Soccer Saturday right now? (self.reddevils)

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Panel just ripped apart the transfer dealings of the past 3 years and reckon we've maybe made 3 good signings;

Herrera, Bailly and Mata.

Listening to their reasons behind why for each player is hard to ignore.

And Merson just unleashed on our scouting and buying policy. Pointed out that Barcelona aren't buying kids and throwing them into the spotlight, they bring them up or put them in reserves to learn for a while and buy finished top quality.

Have to say, despite not being a big fan of Thompson and not always agreeing with the rest, they've banged nails on heads by taking about the lack of consistency in the transfer policy, and how the multiple management changes with far different approaches has left us more ragged than when Moyes took over from Fergie.

No blame thrown direct to Mourinho, more just the entire system is collapsing since Fergie left.

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[–]elneebrePogba 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I don't watch football anymore

[–]QuestionableGender 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

These are also the same people who lauded our transfer dealings this summer, and now all of a sudden they act like they knew all along that Pogba and Ibra were going to flop and were awful pieces of business.

Don't get me wrong, they make good points. It's just really hard to listen to these people sometimes.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They all said Pogba will come good. He has too much quality, but they did all agree that he's come from the most dominant Serie A team for over a decade and now plays in a league where anyone beats anyone. So he deserves the time because he has the quality.

And to be fair to Whiting and Merson, they both said it was utterly insane the day the deal went through.

[–]QuestionableGender 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ibra on a free, Mhiki for cheaper than Mane, there's been more dealings than just Pogba that they haven't included that were considered incredible pieces of business in the Summer.

Granted, I'm not watching so I don't know the full context, but if they're criticizing our transfer policy still then it's a waste of time for whoever is watching. We strengthened where we needed to this summer with some great moves. To me, it's pretty clear the problem is outside of our transfer dealings.

These are also the same people who looked at our squad and predicted a top 2 finish, didn't hear any mumblings about our policy then.

This is just their job, it's really a nothing discussion imo. They're stretching to identify problems.

[–]krelmAndy Cole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much nailed on. Same people who laugh at Man United memes now and say Pogba is shit are the ones who thought that the "title is in the bag" when we appointed Mourinho and bought Ibra and Pogba.

[–]wilyacalmdown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only problem id have is that if we don't throw some kids into the spotlight, we have real, psg, barca etc all looking for them then and them looking to go there. Injuries is another reason a lot of them were thrown into the spotlight.

[–]cyberman99 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Barca's transfer record is average though? I'd add Shaw, Martial and Blind to that list as well. Also I dont care what anyone says, if a club has a chance tonaign Pogba then they do. Shit, Barca went all out for Pogba in 2015 themselves.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd hardly call Neymar, Rakitic, Umtiti, Turan and Luis Suarez average...

[–]Rickripper -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thompson called Martial and Blind a miss. Should have expected it from that big nosed Scouse twat.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not exactly his wording is it though. He said if you had to reflect on the quality and consistency, then Martial at the moment is a miss because he's not followed up on his momentum.

He (and Whiting) both said Blind is good, but not for where he plays (i.e.; he's not a Prem standard Center back).

He also said Bailly looks incredible.

[–]Andy19x20 TIMES 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you expect consistency in transfer dealings over the past 3 summers when we've had 3 managers.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's actually one of the points they've raised. Other super clubs have a level of staffing that is designed to provide that consistency. We've never needed it but should have introduced it at least once LVG came in after the issues we saw with Moyes short reign.

[–]craptionbotMarouane "Imma fuck you up" Fellaini 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barcelona aren't buying kids and throwing them into the spotlight, they bring them up or put them in reserves to learn for a while and buy finished top quality.

They can do that because they're Barcelona. A lot of these kids have agents et al in their ear telling them how amazing they are and how if they aren't in the first team/offered a bigger contract/insert-demand-here then they're moving.

Being Manchester United isn't enough anymore because our klout stocks are falling all the time.

[–]QuestionableGender 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, our u18 side right now is incredibly promising. I would say we definitely are building from within.

[–]TheGerryAdamsFamilyKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They then went on to praise Barkley as the second coming! They may have some valid points but they're as reactionary as hell.

[–]YMMVSPSFDCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

JFC, most of our signings have been youth.

Martial has hardly been a waste, Zlatan and Pogba haven't necessarily had enough time to click, and overall the team is adapting to yet another philosophical change.

I know we want success in the short term, but we shouldn't mortgage our long term success/aim in the interim.

I don't see the system collapsing as much as I see that things changed under Moyes that probably needed to change back closer to where they were under SAF.

We grew spoiled under decades of success from SAF - but even he didn't have us there immediately.

And before people point to the fact that SAF left a team of champions, he also spent ~5 years ignoring a spine that needed replacement. Whether that's because there wasn't anyone ready to drop in yet, or if he hedged his bets on youth we may not know for a while.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Point they made though was that looking to sign first-team youth was part of the problem. What they're saying is that it's fine to plan ahead, but we have gone either way too often, either buying too young to constantly rely on (Memphis and Martial), or too old to carry us on (Zlatan, Falcao, Schweinsteiger).

I don't disagree with them. We should have bought more prime established talent

[–]YMMVSPSFDCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right, but which prime, established talent would take us forward? We tried DiMaria, for example, and that hardly worked out for us.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

We tried Di Maria, a counter attacker, in a possession system. Under Mou (who he played for before) he'd be very different.

[–]YMMVSPSFDCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who was available, established, and would have improved us though? I still firmly believe that's why SAF didn't tend to the midfield in his last few years - there was nobody for his system that was appealing.

[–]I_amDatGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Griezmann, Icardi, Gundogan last year, should've gone for De Bruyne last year, Pjanic, Douglas Costa, Vidal, tried for Kante but should've got him.

[–]YMMVSPSFDCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a case of hindsight, I think.

Everyone has their own opinions on the subject, and while I don't disagree in theory, you'd think that someone as astute as LVG would have gone for them if they were the answer.

I just personally think it's short-sighted and unproductive to keep bashing what decisions were made by those who are paid to make them. Yeah, I'd like to think we could've done any number of things differently, but we haven't - and so, giving Mou time to sort everything feels to be the right answer for me.

[–]Willszz1De Gea -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

To think how much differently people would be speaking about Pogba is Zlatan had scored the various chances Pogba has provided to him

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the point though isn't it? We're talking about would/should. Other teams are buying strong, scoring freely and leaving us in their wake.

[–]forwardpass -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ridiculous, this is purely based on current form. These 'analysts' have the collective memory of a goldfish. Six months ago you would have got three different names.