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[–]ImAwesomeThanks 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should add a sentence in Esperanto at the end of the image. One the person would be able to read and understand the construction of after having only skimmed the entire image, which will give the feeling of having already begun to learn a new language. A powerful and motivating feeling.

[–]Sheepolution[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Any feedback is welcome. I'd be awesome if you could share this image around. After learning how awesome Esperanto is, I was really sad because of the lack of speakers. This is my first attempt at trying to get more speakers. Of course I don't expect this image to turn viral, and gain a million speakers, but any person counts.

I think the World Esperanto Association should do a better job at trying to get more speakers. Because right now I feel like they aren't trying at all.

[–]digdan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

tre bona! Could you make a condensed version for an 8x11 cheatsheet?

[–]cxaroEsperanta Instruistino 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not exactly the same, but you could always try the 1 Page Reference Guide in the sidebar.

[–]MercuryChaos 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe a black/dark-on-white version? I'd love to print this out but it'd eat up my ink cartridges.

[–]Sheepolution[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll make a new version soon, with multiple colors. Including white of course.

[–]-patrizio- 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Correlatives had always seemed so hard; this made it so simple!

[–]Sheepolution[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]amphicoelias 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aren't the beginnings usually ki-, ti, ĉi-, neni-, i-?

[–]tcql 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still the best resource for them that I've seen

[–]cxaroEsperanta Instruistino 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ever since I found the table of correlatives on Wikipedia, they've been one of my very favourite things about Esperanto.

[–]tcql 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd almost suggest removing the part about 1 year Eo + 1 year Fr > 2 year Fr, it seems like citing those studies causes more arguments than it does actually change anybody's mind.

Seems like people see those, think "no way that can be true", go look at the studies, and find some small aspect of it that doesn't 100% prove the point, and then they just say the whole thing is invalidated.

[–]Sheepolution[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah you're right.

It was a way of countering the "Why should I learn Esperanto? Nobody speaks it" argument.

[–]tcql 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sigh. It's a sad fact to me. I try and wrap my head around it... people seem to often have instant negative reactions to the language. And I have to wonder if it's their own ego, or if it's some impression they've gotten about the Esperanto/conlang community at large?

I know that discussing Esperanto or any other conlang online tends to end up in lang ranty debates, which is a turn-off for most people who aren't already language nerds. And some who are.

But to me, my interest in the language supercedes that. I think it's an interesting language, and learning some of it has already made me feel more prepared to take on another language at some point.

And it's fun :) Honestly, given the right learning methods, you can start speaking any language in a very short amount of time, but Esperanto has such a low barrier to entry that it's really really easy to be able to start saying things, and that's super enjoyable

[–]turkey_berzerky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mia opinio estas ke tiaj homoj lernus neniam Esperanto tamen.

[–]Notasurgeon 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wasn't that 6 months Esperanto followed by 18 months French vs. 2 years French?

[–]amphicoelias 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's one year of esperanto then 3 of french vs 4 years french.[1]

[–]autowikibot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Section 8. Provincial Grammar School in Sheffield (GB) of article Propaedeutic value of Esperanto:


Years: 1947-51

Aims: See if Esperanto is truly a useful introduction to the study of French.

Conclusions: In summary, it was concluded that, among the less intelligent students, those who devoted a year to Esperanto succeeded better in French after four years, without additional study time for that language in the three years spent studying it.

In any case, among the more intelligent students, the best success in French was among those who began it immediately. Those who began with Esperanto achieved a better "passive knowledge" and those who began with French acquired better "active use."

Reports:

  • J. H. Halloran (lecturer in Pedagogy at the University of Sheffield), "A four year experiment in Esperanto as an introduction to French".

  • V. C. Nixon, "Lastatempaj eksperimentoj pri Esperanto en lernejoj".


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[–]StillRooneymeznivela, bonvolu korekti min 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great intro! Maybe a note about word order not being too important, although since this is due to the accusative it would be kind of hypocritical to put it in an image about how easy Esperanto is, since native English speakers probably have a harder time with the accusative than they would have had with a more restricted word order.

Maybe a note about there being no silent letters, and every word pronounced exactly like it's spelled.

[–]Julesssss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great pic, definetly makes me want to learn it. One suggestion I have would be to use different colors or size for the text, one for english, one for esperanto, or bigger titles maybe, just to make it easier to read.

[–]hegemonistic 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Source on those studies?

[–]Sheepolution[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]autowikibot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Propaedeutic value of Esperanto:


The propaedeutic value of Esperanto is the benefit that using Esperanto as an introduction to foreign language study has on the teaching of subsequent foreign languages. Several studies, such as that of Helmar Frank at the University of Paderborn and the San Marino International Academy of Sciences, have concluded that one year of Esperanto in school, which produces an ability equivalent to what the average pupil reaches with European national languages after six to seven years of study, improves the ability of the pupil to learn a target language when compared to pupils who spent the entire time learning the target language. In other words, studying Esperanto for one year and then, say, French for three results in greater proficiency in French than studying French for four years. This effect was first described by Antoni Grabowski in 1908.


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[–]skellious 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

why are you missing sxi?

[–]Sheepolution[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wanted to avoid as much special characters at possible (which failed after making the chart containing ĉi..).

The special characters frightened me the first time I was interested in Esperanto.

If I ever make a new version, I'll add it.

[–]skellious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah, fair enough. I seldom use them to be honest, I've basically adopted the -x convention all the time. I know it's bad but for me it's easier to read than special characters, since apart from some german and norwegian I'm not that comfortable with characters outside the english core set.

Of course, the first time I saw it I was confused since it seemed to make words unpronouncable (until I realised you aren't meant to pronounce it, which is of course the confusion Esperanto tries to avoid by having a 1-1 sound-symbol system in the first place)