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Why is the cutback working so well against us? (self.reddevils)

olenineSolskjær が 投稿

Wondering if anyone else has noticed how vulnerable we are on cutbacks from the byline to around the 18 or 12 in the past month or so. Is it the lack of coverage from the center mids? Indiscipline from the centerbacks both converging on the passer and the fullback not? Or are we just not picking up late runs into the box? It's a bit of a worrying trend since, it seems, team after team are now creating chances off of it against us.

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[–]ronaldosfeint 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

In theory, i would say it's lack of coverage from our center mids

[–]stevew14 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That and sometimes they track too far. They should pass off a player to the CB's, but they follow them all the way to the six yard box. You don't need 4 players to mark on striker.

[–]olenineSolskjær[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, but it seems that the centerbacks are also both dropping too far back when the dribbler gets near the byline given that Pogba won't be filling that edge of box space and Herrera or whomever can't do it on their own. I'm sure (or I hope) that Mourinho is trying to fix it, but it is strange how repeatable this pretty simple play is working against us without much variation or answer from our defense.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably lack of natural defensive midfielder tracking runs into the box.

[–]Noneek 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our biggest most consistent problem has been in Defensive Midfield. We don't have talent in that area atm. I've been a broken record about putting Blind there, but I reckon he falls short in some way in that position seeing as Mourinho hasn't put him there yet.

Also, we've been playing fullbacks as wingers, specfically Valencia, and when you don't have a decent DM to cover that slack, you're gonna notice the gaps. Fellaini works his arse off trying to do this job, but he doesn't have the situational/positional awareness that Blind has, and you see him just running side to side trying to close down any and all attacks, and equally passing side to side. For the most part Fellaini has been used to patch our weaknesses (Blind's height when in centre defence, for example), rather than bolster our strengths.

Herrera tries to prevent the attack from happening altogether when we have a high line, and you'll see him flourish against weaker sides, but I don't think he will be able to play that position against stronger attacking sides.

Carrick would have been ideal 5 years ago, and his forward passing covers what Fellaini is lacking, but we can't expect much defensive effort from him at this point. Good enough for rotational play at this stage.

I still think Blind is the man. Relying on his intelligence when the ball is coming into the box is too late, imo. He can intercept passes before they get to the wing, covering whichever fullback is pressing forward, and he can play some of the nicest forward passes if given the space. If he can't do it, I expect Mourinho will be looking at the market rather than looking at our youth.

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[–]JosephGiggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm interested in knowing why this is too!

[–]scholesvolley 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are playing with midfield 2 and Pogba is very attack oriented player. He rarely tracks the runner, with Herrera covering one, if more than 1 makes run it's easy to get space in the box.

Solution: Midfield 3

[–]curlyswineScholes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lack of Carrick.

[–]AdamDalby 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a couple of things I think. A lack of natural defensive minded midfielder probably doesn't help and the runs should be tracked by CMs.

But zonal marking plays into it too at times and combined with our attacking intent makes us vulnerable to it. By that I mean that sometimes we lose the ball when committing men forward. Whether that be parked in the opposition half and they counter which leaves us stretched and leaves big spaces, or whether it's us transitioning from defence to attack quickly and losing the ball while we break. In that instance our players commit to bombing forward, sometime both CMs will do this and then we are vulnerable in the same way again, leaving big spaces.

[–]PX44 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zonal Marking does lead to some ridiculous looking goals sometimes.

[–]rvinay 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Schneiderlin.

He is a defensive midfielder by trade and the best one at that in our squad given that Mou hasn't played Blind there yet. He has the positional sense and speed to stop the cutbacks despite his other so called weaknesses. I remember him stopping such attacks last year although I don't remember the exact matches.

[–]Easily_BakedPogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Schneidi is a defensively bent box-to-box mid, actually, that's how he was best deployed at Soton.

[–]CircleToShoot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I felt, and it's just my opinion, that when he was brought in for a run of games last season, we became too latent. Now that we have Pogba, and Mourinho still seems to prefer 4-2-3-1, I'd like to seem him more as a deeper lying midfielder.

People get a little too hung up on the terminology. While Morgan was box-to-box at Southhampton, he was in a different midfield.

[–]aman27deepvG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because no Schneiderlin (or any Cdm).

[–]JosephGage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba.

If you look at the cut backs, on each occasion a midfield runner has run beyond Pogba without him tracking back or Pogba has been drawn to the ball.

This is something new to Pogba, having to cover as he had a more free role with Juve. He needs time to learn and adjust. Either that or someone else has to cover for him, whoever happens to be playing the '10' role in that game with who Pogba should interchange.