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[–]Monkeyfeng 665ポイント666ポイント  (147子コメント)

https://youtu.be/FCkI_KSoM0c

Clearer video of the fumble.

Edit: blocked. :(

[–]someaccount96612155 434ポイント435ポイント  (114子コメント)

Watched the clip at 0.25x from 0:30-0:37. The ball appears like it is going to go right in the direction of Redskins #51 but actually hits the ground equidistant between Browns #29 and Redskins #51 because Redskins #24's right foot lands in front of the ball. Redskins #24's right thigh lands on the ball. Browns #29 appears to grab it. Redskins' guys are in the mix and had their hands right next to the ball and they all acted like they had it.

My take is the ref based possession on the fact that the ball appeared like it was going right toward Redskins #51 and how the Redskins' players reacted, but Browns #29 actually recovered the ball.

[–]ark_keeper 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

The ref didn't know where the ball was, saw Washington on the bottom of the pile, and said they had the ball. I want to see his face when they clear the pile and the ball isn't there.

[–]NormanRB 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was my thought after watching this. Usually the player at the bottom of the pile is the one holding the ball. So when nobody gets up to hand the ball to the ref, how do they get that ball back? Or did they just think that the player ran off the field with it in celebration? If I were the Browns, I'd had taken everyone off of the field until it was properly reviewed. Screw a delay of game (or many) penalties. The NFL really needs to get their shit together and this is just yet another clear example of this.

[–]DoctorScrapple [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Her face. Female ref fucked up.

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    [–]Endyo 172ポイント173ポイント  (37子コメント)

    She never once actually looked at Johnson holding the ball. She blew the whistle and ran toward the center of the pile where there was nothing. It's pretty clear he though the ball was there she was looking and subsequently spotted the nonexistent ball.

    I didn't watch the game, but I have no idea how this wasn't challenged.

    *Apparently gender is relevant here for some reason.

    [–]DaedaIus7 137ポイント138ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Coach can't throw challenge flag because it's a turnover and automatically reviewed and upstairs they didn't think it was worthy of another look by the ref. Very strange.

    [–]vicaphit 83ポイント84ポイント  (14子コメント)

    MAYBE, just maybe, the Browns aren't just destined to lose, but also DESIGNED to lose.

    [–]KCreep [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I've live in Cleveland my entire life. And you're absolutely right on this. After 30+ years I can't help but laugh any time something like this happens. Or when they do miserable in the pre-season, or when they fail spectacularly in the games. I think if every browns fan in Cleveland just said, "Fuck it." They stopped buying tickets and watching the games, management would either be forced to move, or actually get their shit together.

    [–]AxsDeny 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

    but also DESIGNED to lose.

    They are, but it's by their own management.

    [–]jdrc07 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbBX6aEzEz8

    [–]PROJECTime [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    They have been trying to get the Browns out of Cleveland for years. The NFL wants more southern or west coast teams, San Antonio, Las Vegas, hell even Alabama might to and take them.

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      [–]shel5210 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All turnovers are suppose to be reviewed anyway.

      [–]CrinkleCrotch 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

      She.

      [–]chubby_prince 19ポイント20ポイント  (15子コメント)

      That's a female referee. Just FYI.

      [–]AquaManFizz 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Are female refs common?

      I just ask because I remember a news report of a female ref joining one of the big sports league for the first time. Not sure how long ago that was.

      [–]houseQM 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Sarah Thomas was appointed as a full-time NFL ref in April of 2015. I believe she's the only one right now.

      The first ever female NBA ref, Violet Palmer, retired last week after nearly 20 years in the league. There was another woman hired with her, Dee Kantner, but she was fired in 2002.

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            [–]Imbillpardy 87ポイント88ポイント  (55子コメント)

            What the fuck does equidistant meant dude. I'm too drunk for a thesaurus. I'm a lions fan.

            Edit: y'all repliers are MVP

            Edit x2: lots of big words again in some of these replies. Does "I'm too drunk" mean something different to you people

            [–]Skware1 427ポイント428ポイント  (12子コメント)

            equal... distance...?

            [–]tusko_the_elephant 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

            A far away horse.

            [–]CoffeeandBacon 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Lol equally spaced between the players.

            [–]kyubi4132 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

            equal distance = equidistant

            [–]barscarsandguitars 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I'm too drunk for a thesaurus

            Damn man, you're too drunk to look up a word?

            I'm a lions fan

            Everything adds up. Carry on, good sir.

            [–]callmejenkins 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You're too drunk to taste this word!

            [–]Imbillpardy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I definitely spelt it equidestriant at first dude. Shit fucked me up into being sober real quick

            [–]skyraider17 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I'm too drunk for a thesaurus. I'm a lions fan.

            Looks like it's going to be another one of those seasons, better stock up on drinks...

            [–]Imbillpardy 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Lions, Tigers, and heartbreak. The only truths of a Detroiter

            [–]Mountainbiker22 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I find my only hope every year is to always hope for the Detroit team to do great things that is going to start, or has just started, their season. Go Redwings :)

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              [–]ed_on_reddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Its hard man. Currently 1-3 with a -7 point differential. Houston is -4, and the rams are -13, but both of them are 3-1. I mean, at the rate they're going, they're one blowout win away from 2-14 with a positive point differential.

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                [–]L3SSTH4NL33T 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The ball is the same distance away from both players

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                    [–]flintyeye 65ポイント66ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It looks like he fumbled and it bounced off the defender back into his hands?

                    What is reality? Does not compute.

                    [–]aussydog [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                    Reminds me of this beauty.

                    https://youtu.be/VmEtDX41qSM?t=2m9s

                    Winnipeg Jets win in OT after a Jet player throws the puck into the net. The play was reviewed...and still counted. Game over. lol

                    [–]Touch_my_tooter 19ポイント20ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    That video cleared it up pretty well. Thank you.

                    [–]thetallgiant 32ポイント33ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    Did it though?

                    [–]Undercover_Newb 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    To me it did, they fucked up the call... I understand what the refs saw and how one could think the ball was under that redskins guys torso, but Cleveland's guy clearly comes up with the ball... soo.

                    Can't they overturn that call with replays?

                    [–]Cifra00 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    It held up under review (meaning, there was a clear fumble, but no good angle to see who recovered, so the call on the field stood).The ref who made the call said that the Redskins player had the ball on the ground and then the Browns player ripped it from him. Doesn't mean that's correct, but that's the word on it.

                    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/10/duke_johnson_after_loss_to_red.html

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                      [–]turkeypedal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      FYI, it's not blocked. It just won't play using RES. You have to click "Watch on YouTube."

                      No, I have no idea why anyone does this. The ads still play (if you don't have adblock).

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                        [–]bacontim3 1121ポイント1122ポイント  (173子コメント)

                        NFL rigged confirmed.

                        [–]CorpseFuckerShitLord 69ポイント70ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        Well, one of the clauses in the contract that allowed the Browns to return to the NFL limits the franchise to 1 playoff appearance and under 300 wins for the first 50 years. Another dictated that they must draft the known busts at qb and try their best to be the leagues perpetual dumpster fire....the joys of being a browns fan.

                        [–]Los_Accidentes 302ポイント303ポイント  (159子コメント)

                        Dude, ever since 9/11 and the patriots go from licking balls to an undefeated powerhouse, immediately following the attacks eventually winning the super bowl?! Come the fuck on? Hollywood turns down better clichés. So rigged it's comedic.

                        [–]thetallgiant 415ポイント416ポイント  (23子コメント)

                        the patriots go from licking balls

                        Uhhh, they were in the 97 Superbowl.

                        [–]whataboutabed 201ポイント202ポイント  (20子コメント)

                        Uhh yeah, where they licked the packers balls. dont matter if its the super bowl or the beef o' brady's bowl, licking balls is licking balls.

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                          [–]lettuceman44 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Is this satire?

                          [–]Sabre2230 48ポイント49ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          Shiiiiit, they should rig it for the Bills then, only team that actually plays in NY

                          [–]ToxicCoffee7 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          They probably did today, shutting out the pats in Gillette :(

                          [–]Rihannas_nipples [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Ya damn right they did!! I hate the entire Patriots establishment and as a New Yorker, I appreciate the Bills. Sooo fuck Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and the whole New England franchise! I hope they don't score again all season

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                            [–]Pinkiepie1170 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            A firefighter who was kindof an assbole also won Survivor following 9/11. Always thought that was rigged.

                            [–]axxl75 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Reality TV is in a bit of a different category than professional sports.

                            [–]Grimsqueaker69 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Or is it.............

                            [–]prettylame2003 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Did you know Steve Buscimi was a firefighter in 9/11..

                            [–]dopeydog75243 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Whaaaaaaaaaat? I am heading over to TIL with this information.

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                              [–]Sleepserapissleep 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              If you think that every one of those "voting" shows are real and not rigged at all then I am so sorry to tell you, you are wrong.

                              All I need to say is, haven't you ever wondered why the most universally hated person on the show is never kicked off till at least halfway through? Because that person is heavy conflict. And conflict means ratings.

                              [–]i_love_lesbian_porn2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Yep, being an asshole or being hot will carry you a long way in that show. In fact, one of the women on the first season tried to sue for voter manipulation, didn't she?

                              That said, watching Johnny Fairplay tell one of the best lies in Survivor history was awesome.

                              [–]i_love_lesbian_porn2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Lol, that was the worst season of Survivor. It was horribly obvious by the halfway point that he was going to win, and the other players had resigned themselves to it and were just fighting for 2nd place. I was like, why don't they just crown his ass and start another show?

                              [–]BreathManuallyNow 83ポイント84ポイント  (71子コメント)

                              Also after Katrina the Saints were given a ring.

                              [–]Ezsqueeze95 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              They felt the need to give them a ring 4 years after Katrina hit?

                              [–]ntourloukis 145ポイント146ポイント  (62子コメント)

                              Are you guys for real?

                              The league is at odds with the Pats. Goodell would clearly prefer them to lose. The refs don't rig anything, they're just occasionally incompetent. Tom Brady, the Patriots, BB have done enough for long enough to show they're no fluke. The Saints had a great year and Brees played his ass of in a year that happened to be after Katrina.

                              The Pats theory is just insane though. Because of the name of New England's team, they rigged the whole season? Because of 9/11? What about New York's Teams!!!? New England's team is named the Patriots because of the American Revolution, nobody in the rest of the country supported New England because of 9/11, if anything everyone was sympathetic to New York. Or is it supposed to be that because of the war agenda, "Patriots" being the champs would sway popular opinion?

                              It would be crazy hard to rig a football season. There might be a dirty ref or two out there making bad calls for money, but there isn't a huge football conspiracy.

                              [–]randomdumbcomment 83ポイント84ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              To be Fair, if the New York Jets won the super bowl following 9/11. It would be a sad irony because, you know. Two jets went into the towers.

                              [–]ntourloukis 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              True, and the towers were also really big. Gigantic even. Can't have them winning either.

                              [–]MenacingVitamin 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Especially the headlines if the Jets lost:

                              JETS GO DOWN IN FLAMES

                              [–]gordo65 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              But it would be really bad if the Jets lost in the AFC championship game:

                              Jets Can't Melt Steelers

                              It would be especially bad if the Steelers had a player named Beam. Even worse if the Jets had a player named Fuel.

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                                [–]guess_twat 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                I'll go one step further and suggest that the patriots were actually involved with the 9/11 attacks knowing it would lead to a surge in "patriotism". Unlike the US government, they were able to keep their involvement a secret. It appears now however that Collin Kaepernick is onto them and it's one of the reasons he won't stand for the national anthem.

                                [–]Burdicus 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                I think there is a lot of sarcasm in these comments. Don't worry.

                                [–]ntourloukis 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I thought that at first, but a lot of people have replied to a few of my posts on this matter with real arguments. Stuff about Goddell going easy on the Patriots, and how the top merch sellers always do the best, which proves conspiracy. Talk about backwards logic.

                                I want to believe you.

                                [–]lettuceman44 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It's as if these guys have never watched a football game and are just basing useless speculation on random results they have seen.

                                edit: I'm reading more comments, and holy shit I think some people are serious.

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                                  [–]BoilerMaker11 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                  The Saints had a great year and Brees played his ass of in a year that happened to be after Katrina

                                  FYI that "great year" was Bountygate year (you're talking about the Super Bowl Saints year, right?). Their defense was only good because they were trying to decapitate all their opponents. Since then, the Saints can easily put up 45 points a game......and go 3-13. Because they keep having historically bad defenses

                                  [–]mashington14 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  As a Diamondbacks fan, I am super happy there was no MLB conspiracy for the Yankies that year.

                                  [–]hezdokwow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Ima be honest, idk about the whole Katrina Drew Bree's thing but I hate the patriots because I'm a Seahawks fan. Patriots have skill, Gronk is god damn amazing to me, Brady is pretty good as well but he's so smug it seems that I end up hating him. It's like Lebron, doods got skill but he acts like such an asshole sometimes.

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                                    [–]thebearcredentials 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Nobody "gave" the ball to receivers game after game. Drew Brees did that actually.

                                    I swear

                                    [–]fireinthesky7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Five years after...come on. Literally everybody, including most of the league, handed that Super Bowl to Chosen One Peyton Manning and the Colts long before the kickoff. The fact that the Saints played scrappy football, great defense, and pulled off one of the ballsiest plays ever run in the SB obviously had nothing to do with it.

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                                      [–]aticho 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      2001 was the year Brady started... so there's your explanation.

                                      [–]mainfingertopwise 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Don't forget the Saints after Katrina.

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                                          [–]XHF 80ポイント81ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                          So what happened in the game? Did the Browns challenge?

                                          [–]Calistrasz 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Turnovers are automatically reviewed. They said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call on the field since the other angle only makes it probable that Duke Johnson recovered.

                                          [–]smithsp86 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                          It's a strange world where the guy popping up out of the pile holding the ball isn't enough evidence to give him posession.

                                          [–]Hungover_Pilot 401ポイント402ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                          They're never a challenge

                                          [–]Bulk_king11 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          That's what I'm still trying to figure out. No one finally realized the dude was holding the ball the whole time? When they cleared the pile the dude walking around with the wasn't like "look morons". I don't how in any situation this wouldn't be overturned. If I was the browns I'd refused to even go back on the field until they looked at it. Makes no sense

                                          [–]ReplaceSelect 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Turnovers are automatically reviewed. You don't challenge them. Scoring plays are as well.

                                          [–]fregrowli 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Unless you are the Lions. 😶

                                          [–]bacontim3 175ポイント176ポイント  (66子コメント)

                                          Surely there is some sort of rational explanation for these shenanigans...

                                          [–]lobster_liberator 146ポイント147ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                          http://giphy.com/gifs/14sO4wqDNz4DUA?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

                                          I don't know. It certainly was a fumble but the ball looks behind all of the redskins on the ground. The Browns player came up with the ball and the official made the call even though they didn't look like they even knew where the ball was.

                                          Only explanation is that the official had a different view and saw a redskins player with the ball on the ground and the Browns player just happened to grab it afterwards.

                                          [–]ntourloukis 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          I think they just saw that the pile, where they assumed the ball was, was all Redskins players at the bottom. You can clearly see the ref looking and putting his hands on/around the players at the bottom of the pile as if that's where the ball is. Did the Cleveland guy go put the ball in the ref's face right away? Did the announcers talk about this or just go with the flow of the refs?

                                          Sometimes the broadcasters fall in line with obviously bad calls, like explaining why a bullshit hold really was one, but they seem to be getting better about calling bullshit in recent years.

                                          [–]Silverkarn 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          but they seem to be getting better about calling bullshit in recent years.

                                          What?

                                          I remember watching football back in the 90s and the broadcasters would call out every bad call that they thought was not legit.

                                          [–]OurEyesArentReal 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          If it's a fumble, a player must maintain control of the ball before the play can be over. Clearly the redskins didn't maintain control of the ball long enough for it to be called down. The Browns player already stood up and held the ball up in the air before the ref blew his whistle. Clearly the Browns regained possession before the play was called over.

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                                            [–]define_irony 35ポイント36ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                            I'm thinking that it was just a bad call by the ref. I've never heard of the NFL being rigged conspiracy before,but apparently it's a thing.

                                            [–]Arkiasis 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            There's a conspiracy for every single sport on earth. From the Olympics to Timmy's elementary school intramural basketball game.

                                            [–]Kron0_0 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Look man timmys team was down 15 at the half and then all of a sudden all these fucking penalty calls and timmy and co get a buch of free throws and free possesion. Nah bullshit that shit was rigged you know it

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                                              [–]ssjaken 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              There's always huge conspiracy's on sports rigging. There is a prominent booked detailing FIFA and World Cup corruption.

                                              [–]immortal_joe 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              It's because it makes sense in terms of motives. With all the money involved in the NFL, and the vast discrepancy between the profitability of certain teams succeeding as opposed to others, it's almost stupid for them not to try to nudge games in the way they want them to go.

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                                                [–]Drewbobsanders 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                That's what the want you to think.

                                                [–]Mc6arnagle 19ポイント20ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                The rational explanation is the ref running into the play saw a Redskins player clearly recover the fumble. Since the player is on the ground and being touched play over. Then the Browns player wrestles the ball away, gets up, and shows the ball. In the mean time players in the pile are fighting each other. The ref, instead of signaling Redskins ball right away runs to the pile to break up the fight and eventually signals Redskins ball. They were not in the pile looking for the ball. They already knew the Redskins recovered. They are breaking up the pile/fight.

                                                [–]Iamcaptainslow[🍰] 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                In the video posted by u/Monkeyfeng it shows an angle from the opposite side of the field. It looks like the ball never went into the hands of a Redskins player, but they managed to sell the fake.

                                                [–]houseQM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                All of the guys still on the ground were still fighting as if the ball were there. The female ref was so caught up with them she didn't look up to see the Browns player with the ball.

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                                                      [–]mageta621 114ポイント115ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                      The sad thing is, I don't see any backlash from this happening. The Browns coaches/players are taking the high road, talking about ball security and the other chances they had to win, which is admirable of them. However, because it's the Browns, I will be thoroughly surprised if anything changes or if there is any lasting outrage after this. Holy shit though, imagine if this happened to New England, Dallas, Pittsburgh, or one of the other marquee teams. It would be a shitshow for weeks with possible ref protocol changes coming down the pike.

                                                      I'm not saying this to say there's an active conspiracy or whine about the teams named above winning too much, but it's be naive to say that this wouldn't be headline sports news if the call went against one of the faces of the NFL. People just don't care enough about the Browns and/or see this as a "totally Browns thing to do" (which it is) and laugh it off.

                                                      [–]GentlemenBehold 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      I think it being kept under the radar has a lot to do with the NFLs only female ref being the one who made the call. They don't want any attack on her abilities to come across as an attack on women.

                                                      [–]marktx 102ポイント103ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      She should be treated just like the men.. with merciless ridicule and death threats.

                                                      [–]CJsAviOr 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      In the ideal world yeah, but you just know some people will bring it up that she's a woman, and not just it's a blind ref as usual type snark.

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                                                          [–]Lugarooo 36ポイント37ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                          Still doesn't top the seahawks catching a packer player who caught the ball and therefore it was seahawks touchdown. Never forget the failmairy that broke the nfl ref strike....

                                                          [–]krispyKRAKEN [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                          Also the browns want to lose anyway so that they can pick high. I'm not saying that they have enough skill to actually win a game but they definitely aren't looking for any Ws this season.

                                                          Seems strange that they don't care about this call and just last week they happen to miss like 3 field goals (any one of which would have won the game) against the dolphins...

                                                          Seems like they have made a conscious decision

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                                                            [–]tenfivegees 86ポイント87ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                            I would also like to point out that the point spread for this game was Washington -7.5 (or so, depending on where/when you bet). The Browns are covering in the 4th quarter prior to this. I can't find the stats anymore, but Cleveland was a popular "sharp" bet (meaning more large money bets were on their side). Washington would score a touchdown after this, which was meaningless for the outcome of the game, but changed the winning side of the bet.

                                                            [–]Andoo 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            Iirc, the Browns were a huge bet by experts to beat the spread. It was one of those Monte Carlo simations that kept showing them beating the spread.

                                                            [–]manfromfuture 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                            Why don't the line makers just do those same simulations?

                                                            [–]Ogadim 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Line makers don't care about what the simulations say should happen. They pick a line that tries to get half the bets on one side and half the bets on the other. Whether or not that is their actual expectation of the game result is irrelevant. They just want money covering both sides of a spread as evenly as possible.

                                                            [–]exes4eyes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Bookies make money by attracting an even amount of potential payout on either side of the line and charging a fee to make the bet.

                                                            [–]gakule 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Last week we were close to covering the spread against the Ravens and had a pretty nasty call against us too.

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                                                              [–]deek510 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              First thing I thought of was Navorro Bowman of the 49ers horrible injury in the NFC championship game, and the refs completely ignored his forced fumble. Seattle kept the ball (but would fumble the next play)

                                                              https://youtu.be/3EKrPKbsa_Q

                                                              [–]Tre2 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              So is that reviewable now?

                                                              [–]neongames_kevin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Yes, it's informally called the NaVorro Bowman rule. The refs didn't completely ignore the forced fumble, it wasn't easily visible from the Ref's field of view. The rule was you couldn't review a recovery of a loose ball. Now due to that infamous play, it is reviewable.

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                                                                [–]whothehellispat2 243ポイント244ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                Anyone who thinks the NFL is rigged in favor of the Washington Football Team is an idiot.

                                                                Edit* - Didn't realize that this wasn't r/nfl, and I don't have my Redskins flair.

                                                                [–]manfromfuture 108ポイント109ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                What about rigged against the Cleveland Browns? More plausible?

                                                                [–]doomgrin 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                the browns already rig themselves

                                                                [–]taka37 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                no rigging necessary.

                                                                [–]Kickasspancakes 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I do not believe the NFL is rigged. But as a Browns fan I do have a wacky tinfoil hat theory about the NFL and the Browns. ( I do not really believe this, just makes me feel better). It pretty much boils down to stadiums. When the NFL allowed the original Browns to move to Baltimore, the stadiums in the NFL were not these beautiful palaces they are today. Most of them were shared with baseball teams, and the others were "cookie-cutter" stadiums like "3 rivers" in Pittsburgh and "the Vet" in Philly. Think every stadium being like the stadium the Raiders still play in. Now that being said, the NFL wanted new nice stadiums to generate money. To do this they used certain cities as pawns to get stadiums built, essentially holding current NFL cities hostage. Nashville, Jacksonville, Carolina, Baltimore, and most currently LA. Owners always had the option to talk to those cities for a better stadium lease, to get the current city to spend public funds on a brand new stadium. Now fast forward to 1995, the Browns who played in an absolute shithole in Cleveland, moved to Baltimore with the promise of a new stadium. This now made Cleveland, a city who absolutely loves football without a team. Cleveland would make an excellent bargaining chip to get a new stadium built for any number of teams struggling with local politicians. The politicians in Cleveland were going to build the Browns a new stadium, just not in the timeframe Art Model (fuck you ahem) wanted. But the city of Cleveland and Browns fans sued the NFL and won. Long story short, the NFL no longer had this bargaining chip due to the Browns coming back a measly 3 years later as an expansion team, with a new stadium, with original team records and colors. If any part of this wacky theory is true, that would have peeved off the NFL. They expected to use Cleveland to get even more expensive stadiums built knowing Cleveland could possibly take any team who's current city refused to build a new stadium. That didn't happen. The NFL lost that leverage. The NFL hates the new Browns, more specifically Cleveland. Bad calls by the refs being only one of the many things that seem to happen to the new Browns that make you scratch your head.

                                                                Sorry for for the format, on mobile. And no I really don't believe this, but it is certainly plausible. It just makes me feel better watching this terrible team every friggin year.

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                                                                  [–]Ocarina_Autem_Tempus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  It's about vegas son

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                                                                    [–]owenix 39ポイント40ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                    This reminds me of the OU vs Oregon game from way back.

                                                                    [–]jorbleshi_kadeshi 54ポイント55ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                    This is a better video to illustrate your point

                                                                    Ball CLEARLY isn't recovered by Oregon at all, making the entire question of who touched it first (Oregon, obviously) a moot point.

                                                                    Best that you watch the video twice. Look at #23 on the right as the pile forms. He picks the ball up and casually stands up with it. No question whatsoever.

                                                                    [–]its_over_2250 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                    Actually the answer if who touched it first would have made the moot point as penalty would have automatically given OU the ball regardless of who ended up with it.

                                                                    [–]ElBiscuit 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    I agree with you (I think), but in a game between two schools that start with "O" (Oregon and Oklahoma), some people might be confused about which one "OU" refers to.

                                                                    [–]Kyreezus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It was infuriating that neither of the commentators noticed and every replay cut just before he picked it up.

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                                                                      [–]vektonaut 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      I'll never forget that game. They screwed us (OU) over pretty hard that game. I think the referees later admitted to foul play and were either fired or suspended.

                                                                      [–]tdoger 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      (oregon fan) did they really admit that?

                                                                      [–]MiddleGrayStudios 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I believe so but only after David Boren (our Prez) made a big public fuss about it

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                                                                        [–]MojoJuJu_Universe 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Can't find anything confirming that. Terrible call, so terrible nobody can call bullshit on the fact there isn't supporting evidence bc lord knows if there was NCAA would remove the official evidence.

                                                                        [–]MiddleGrayStudios 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Had to remind me of this...sigh...I have hated everything Oregon ever since.

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                                                                          [–]tamarockstar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          The factory of sadness continues.

                                                                          [–]dallasdude 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          Reminds me of the end of the Texas Cal game. Cal was about to score, but they dropped the ball just shy of the goal line in a Leon Lett-esque moment of idiocy. The ball rolls on the ground for 2 seconds and is promptly picked up by Texas while it is still rolling. The eventual call after a very long delay was that Cal indeed fumbled the ball, but they got to keep possession because there "wasn't a clear recovery." Except you can see Texas pick up the ball clear as day. I still have no idea how that wasn't a clear recovery.

                                                                          I would link to a video but I can't find it except for a Longhorn website that tried to give my computer cancer.

                                                                          [–]pilvlp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17575904/california-defeats-texas-controversial-goal-line-fumble-ruling

                                                                          About 20 second mark.

                                                                          [–]jbaker1225 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          The problem is that the rule is something like "a clear and immediate recovery in the continuing action of the play." Basically meaning the player that recovers it has to act like he thinks he's recovering a fumble. It was very clearly picked up by a Texas player. A couple Texas players walked by it first, though, and the one who picked up just kinda casually grabbed the ball off the ground and gave it to the ref. It's a really weird rule to try and overcome the "inadvertent whistle" problem, but is hard to work out in every scenario.

                                                                          [–]losspurs212 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I was pissed about that!! My buddy and I did not know why Cal got the ball after that play. It was ridiculous.

                                                                          [–]SylvesterStapwn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Here's a hilarious tweet in which you can see a Texan's player holding the ball in the background

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                                                                            [–]Batmaners 419ポイント420ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                            Right on this frame you can see the ball being recovered by the Redskins and a few frames later you can see Johnson Jr trying to steal the recovered football.

                                                                            I also isolated some frames from the higher res video from /u/Monkeyfeng's link:

                                                                            Ball fumbled
                                                                            Ball recovered
                                                                            Ball stolen

                                                                            [–]CasuallyHuman 141ポイント142ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            I love how every picture has a different URL.

                                                                            [–]Arkiasis 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            That's the highest quality version I've seen as well.

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                                                                              [–]jstarlee 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I clicked on every single one of them.

                                                                              [–]Lidiored 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              That fumble had a family emergency.

                                                                              [–]Yeezyface 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Yeezy! im a poorly designed bot. Any questions should be directed to u/crazychri1

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                                                                                [–]bryanrobh 272ポイント273ポイント  (97子コメント)

                                                                                The NFL is a joke and they are absolutely against the Browns. This is proof.

                                                                                [–]LessLikeYou 242ポイント243ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                                Are you saying that the NFL forced the Browns to draft Johnny Self-destructive?

                                                                                [–]ApolloXLII 53ポイント54ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                I mean what organization would willingly draft Manziel or sign and start RGIII?? I mean I don't necessarily believe the words that are coming out of my mouth, but it wouldn't be far fetched to believe that the NFL is choking a team/teams out of current city in an effort to get a franchise to move to London by making them suck year in and year out.

                                                                                Or maybe the Browns just suck and that's what the universe wants.

                                                                                [–]HNPCC 30ポイント31ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                I mean what organization would willingly draft Manziel or sign and start RGIII?

                                                                                Would you expect a team that would willingly draft Manziel to then not sign and start RGIII? It makes logical sense that they would be consistently daft.

                                                                                What I don't understand is how they seemingly have missed on every single QB they have drafted since the mesolithic period.

                                                                                [–]957 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                Cause they get a new coaching staff like every 2 years and they're always changing schemes and plays and shit. Teams like the Patriots win because they have good players, but they have good players that play in a system that doesn't change much and gets refined game by game and season by season. The Browns constantly have new coaches with new schemes.

                                                                                I'm a Buccaneers fan and we have the same problem. We finally have a quarterback but we fired the head coach after his rookie season, so now he's having to learn new stuff again in his second season.

                                                                                [–]RecoveryWater 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                No, the Pats win because they have the greatest coach in the history of the game and (probably) the greatest QB in the history of the game playing together. Yes, changes in coaching staff can be difficult, but don't act like the Pats are good cause they've been playing together forever.

                                                                                [–]Bogert 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                He wouldn't be the greatest QB ever if he didn't have the greatest coach ever. Coaches can and usually are what makes a QB and team successful. You can have all the arm talent in the world (i.e. Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, Blaine Gabbert etc.) but a revolving door of schemes/systems and a new coach every couple of years will mess up any QB. How do you think the pats win whenever Tom Brady is hurt or suspended? Those back ups are not that good but Belicheck is.

                                                                                [–]cheatthrowaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Reason u/957 says browns are bad: they fire their coaching staff too often.

                                                                                Example u/957 gives to prove this: Patriots have been a great football team despite players changing constantly because the coaching staff keeps the same scheme and players are allowed to develop in the same system.

                                                                                Your argument: u/957 is wrong because [insert exact same argument he/she made]

                                                                                [–]tacobeams 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                I mean, the Bucs fired Lovie Smith and replaced him with his Offensive Coordinator. I don't think Jameis is learning a brand new offense.

                                                                                [–]GumdropGoober 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Yep, as a Raiders fan, I still remember the Al Davis days, doing absolutely retarded stuff. It can happen to a team with bad leadership. Dumping Jon Gruden, trading Stabler, the absolute shitshow with JaMarcus Russel, drafting a kicker in the first round, etc.

                                                                                [–]TromboneSmuggler 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                To be fair, the Snake was an eightball and a pint deep before the first snap of most games. Trying to build a business around a dude whose idea of a practice day was titrating the preceding with a couple of 'ludes had to be nerve-wracking.

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                                                                                    [–]ReservoirDog316 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    I mean, teams sign quarterbacks that never showed any potential. RGIII showed a lot of potential once upon a time and is still getting a job based on that alone.

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                                                                                      [–]Hungover_Pilot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      No, a homeless man did that

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                                                                                        [–]fxidiot 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                        Last Sunday, a toss of the ball toward the general direction of a ref can cause a game losing penalty. Today, if you recover the ball from a fumble, its a turnover....

                                                                                        [–]Kraken_Snackin 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Yeah I'm a Raven's and I still feel bad for the Browns because of that penalty.

                                                                                        [–]eggsovereazy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Don't forget week 1 when the Eagles player dropped the ball before it crossed the plane of the endzone and the refs still called it a touchdown.

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                                                                                          [–]send_me_kinky_nudes 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                          The NFL doesn't need to rig the game against the Browns. They fuck themselves pretty well without needing their assistance.

                                                                                          [–]Butthole__Pleasures 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          This is addition. The Browns suck on their own, too.

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                                                                                            [–]jesusdied4you 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            its almost as bad as accusing TB12 of using laws of physics

                                                                                            [–]thematt924 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Illegal use of ideal gas law, better go pay those guys who said second hand smoke doesn't increase cancer risk to investigate this. Pay them a few million to be an "extra" unbiased third party.

                                                                                            [–]JustJoe1961 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            We need a sub called Naturally Fixed League

                                                                                            [–]creepara 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                            can someone explain the supposed conspiracy? i dont follow NFL

                                                                                            [–]Tre2 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            There is a browns player holding the ball, so it seems clear that they recovered, but it was given to the Redskins. IMO the "conspiracy" is BS, it's just really poor reffing. The ref thought he saw a redskin with the ball and called it.

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                                                                                              [–]tripletstate 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              Hey guys, I have a better theory to all of this, even if you don't want to hear the reason.

                                                                                              There is no conspiracy, it was a bad call. Except, it was a bad call from the NLF's only female ref. She did a lousy job, and if it was a man, people would be cussing and asking for his head on a stick as usual. The announcers are most likely not even allowed to point this out. Women apparently aren't allowed to receive the same criticism as men, unless you are a politician.

                                                                                              [–]mitts281 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              You can watch this as a highlight on the official NFL website.

                                                                                              [–]Ringelreddit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              relevant? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5yMUqJ_LI

                                                                                              [–]cornball1111 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Can we never post a twitter video again?

                                                                                              [–]Ellisd326 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              If this were a Patriots game they'd suspend the entire team for black magic.

                                                                                              [–]yalemartin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              If this were the Patriots they'd burn the NFL subreddit to the ground, fans would be committing seppuku in the driveway of the ref's home, and a lawsuit would already be filed paid for by nothing but crowdfunding.

                                                                                              [–]AlbionTx 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Wtf

                                                                                              [–]CJ090 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Black Chester A Arthur over here

                                                                                              [–]maxipapi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Magic.. and all the black players freak out!

                                                                                              [–]itzmonsterz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Sounds like NFL wants the redskins to go to the Super Bowl. Good luck trying to get the NFL to change its mind about trying to get more money by having underdogs win.

                                                                                              [–]Archetype90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Did anyone else see the Texans game yesterday when a punt attempt was blocked, returned for a touchdown, but a flag was down. They ended up picking the flag up, as there was no foul on the play, but the down had to be repeated.

                                                                                              Not saying it was a conspiracy, but holy fuck Refs. Get your shit together. There is no excuse for this in the digital age.

                                                                                              [–]CraigMack78 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              NFL Conspiracy

                                                                                              Conspiracy ? all I saw was a bad call by the officials, not so much a conspiracy though.

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