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Old 09-12-2002, 06:11 PM   #1
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Schoolgirl prostitution gets fresh facelift

By Ryann Connell
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September 4, 2002


Japan's notorious schoolgirl prostitution market is apparently undergoing a fundamental shift. Now, girls in the 12 to 15 age bracket have become the dominant players, according to Weekly Playboy (9/17), picking up trifling amounts from men who are at an age when they should be reading them bedtime stories instead of helping the girls to make them.

"Make no mistake, but the number of junior high schoolgirls using online personals sites has skyrocketed recently," says a frequent user of the websites often used to set up lusty and illegal liaisons. "I'd say about 40 percent of all messages on the sites come from junior high schoolgirls. Some of them will cut off contact if you ask how old they are, while others simply pretend to be older than what they really are. I've met loads of girls claiming to be in their late teens who've turned out to be junior high schoolgirls.

"What's even better is that these girls are easy to please. They're more than happy just to eat out at a family restaurant. Take them to one of the better family restaurants, and they'll even get all starry eyed and go on about how wonderful it is to go out on a date with a real adult."

Weekly Playboy suggests the popularity of the younger teens lies in their freshness when compared with the harsher attitudes that high schoolgirls, or even married women, have adopted once they've been in the business for a while. Regular users tend to agree.

"When a married woman I've met through an online site expects to be paid for sex, it makes me furious. Women in their early 30s were in their prime during the economic bubble era, right? They're spoiled rotten. Go out to a restaurant and they order the most expensive meals and they never stop demanding something. Sometimes, I really feel like punching them out," says a man who wishes to be identified only as Shinji. "High schoolgirls simply charge too much. Yet, when they finally get into bed, they just lie there and let you do all the work. It's meaningless going out with them. You feel like reminding them who's paying for the session.

"Junior high schoolgirls don't have a lot of cash, but they don't really need it, either. They'll charge anywhere from 10,000 yen to 15,000 yen, though I've heard of some cases where they'll go for as little as 5,000 yen."

Indeed, 14-year-old Sayaka tells Weekly Playboy she'll perform for a mere 5,000 yen.

"I want to wear trendy clothes, but they're all so expensive," she says. "I want to buy a skirt (for 15,000 yen), but I've only got 10,000 yen, so I need to get the other 5,000 yen somehow."

Aya, a year older but still yet ready to enter high school, shows that though they may be younger, junior high schoolgirl sex sellers are just as materially oriented as their older sisters in sin.

"My boyfriend and I want to go to Tokyo Disneyland. It costs 4,800 yen each to get in. My boyfriend's only a schoolboy and he hasn't got any way of making money, so I have to do it," she says, explaining why she won't go below 10,000 yen.

Aya claims she is doing her parents a favor by selling herself.

"I had about 10 sessions during the summer vacation. I used the money I got to buy clothes, go on dates or to a karaoke box with my friends," she tells Weekly Playboy. "I don't want to be a nuisance for my parents. My motto is that if you want to spend money you should make it yourself."

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Disappointing to hear.. reminds me of the other article a while back talking bout how japanese schoolgirls, how so many have STD's, and do such things.
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Old 09-12-2002, 06:47 PM   #2
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Old 09-12-2002, 06:48 PM   #3
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that's sad.... and the guys interviewed are talking like it's normal.
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that's sad.... and the guys interviewed are talking like it's normal.

I hate to say it, but in other cultures it could very well be normal. I am sure everyone here has heard the stories of the American businessman who flies to the Phillipines to have sex with a child. In many of the stories, the parents know what the kids are doing and consent to it and even encourage it.

Especially if you look at the rest of the world, the views on sex and nudity are completely different. Americans as a whole are a bunch of prudes. (NOTE: I am talking about our views on sex and nudity, not our views on the exploitation of children for sex!) These girls are not being forced to have sex. I am assuming that they are all reproductively mature, meaning their bodies are ready for sex. They are also actively marketing themselves not being pimped out by someone. Yes, in our culture it may be frowned upon, but in many other cultures its not.
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I hate to say it, but in other cultures it could very well be normal. I am sure everyone here has heard the stories of the American businessman who flies to the Phillipines to have sex with a child. In many of the stories, the parents know what the kids are doing and consent to it and even encourage it.

Especially if you look at the rest of the world, the views on sex and nudity are completely different. Americans as a whole are a bunch of prudes. (NOTE: I am talking about our views on sex and nudity, not our views on the exploitation of children for sex!) These girls are not being forced to have sex. I am assuming that they are all reproductively mature, meaning their bodies are ready for sex. They are also actively marketing themselves not being pimped out by someone. Yes, in our culture it may be frowned upon, but in many other cultures its not.

There's a difference between the girls in this article and the girls that "American businessmen who fly to the Phillipines to have sex with." These Japanese girls are just plain nuts. Japanese society is driven by materialistic goods (much like us), but they have a perverse sexual drive.

In most other Third World Asian countries, the girls there are not doing it because they want to. The do it because they don't ahve any other choice. They usually live in absolute poverty and have no opportunities. As a result, parents either force their children who are, unfortunately, their only tradable commodity, or the girls are sold into the trade. There's a difference that should be made clear. It's not the culture, but the social conditions.

But you're right with these Japanese girls, but don't extend that aspect to the other asian nations.
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yea it is pretty sad and unforetunate...

that is why i am starting a "crew" to goto tokyo and after getting a hold of the illusive maki... will go and set things straight in japan, we will undo the wrongs in society and make them right, the crew will consist of spike, superman, and ... sho.gun... all originating in my math class... we shall go and stop this nonsense in the name of justice and the hang10 way... the masses will flock towards the great way of coolness and away from the perversion that lerks in this world by a "select few"... who is with me and my posse?!?!? who wants to join this bitchen crusade of love and peace?!?!? who i say?!?! WHO??!!..... .....

but seriously... i think its messed up and yes there are some perverts out there that make society seem like a shiet hole... just have to hope things change for the better... i mean... what are u gonna do... hunt these pervs down and shoot em? no of course not... ...
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I second (most) of ufcrusher's thoughts. Other locations of the world are different culturally than what you see everyday in america. Even though I dont personally agree with what these young ladies are doing, I am not going to condemn them without being familiar with others cultures. Americans have long expected their international neighbors to conform or be cast out, and this should change.
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I second (most) of ufcrusher's thoughts. Other locations of the world are different culturally than what you see everyday in america. Even though I dont personally agree with what these young ladies are doing, I am not going to condemn them without being familiar with others cultures. Americans have long expected their international neighbors to conform or be cast out, and this should change.

ok, opening myself up to flames....
you can understand other cultures all you want, but there is just something inherently wrong with prostitution. It is not ok for them to prostitute themselves. If that culture condones or even encourages that - there's something within that culture that needs to change.
when you talk about the age limit on alcohol - ok, who really gives. Alcohol's a cultural thing. I can understand that. And there's nothing inherently wrong with alcohol...(though it can be abused).
However, when you go into prostitution - it's just not right. Much like Americans are quick to cry out against the mistreatment of women in strict muslim nations - we should also be quick to speak out against children prostituting themselves.
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ok, opening myself up to flames....
you can understand other cultures all you want, but there is just something inherently wrong with prostitution. It is not ok for them to prostitute themselves. If that culture condones or even encourages that - there's something within that culture that needs to change.
when you talk about the age limit on alcohol - ok, who really gives. Alcohol's a cultural thing. I can understand that. And there's nothing inherently wrong with alcohol...(though it can be abused).
However, when you go into prostitution - it's just not right. Much like Americans are quick to cry out against the mistreatment of women in strict muslim nations - we should also be quick to speak out against children prostituting themselves.


attgig is right. You think their parents are actually agreeing to let their daughters do this?? If they knew, they would probably kick them out or kill them. Cultures might be different, but every culture has the same set of morals, more of less.
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If that culture condones or even encourages that - there's something within that culture that needs to change.

Where is this ideology based? It is based with american views. I agree with you 100% that prostitution is morally and ethically wrong, especially with these young ladies.

BUT... make sure you have an open mind about others cultures before you judge. For instance there are tribes in Africa that basically have "gang bangs" for lack of a better term at certain dates throughout the year. I think you know my stance on this issue as well...

Ok, I am done playing devils advocate for the night.
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that is why i am starting a "crew" to goto tokyo and after getting a hold of the illusive maki...
Hang10, buddy, pal. I think we need to have a chat. Maki is going to be a bit more expensive than 5000 yen. keep saving your pennies.
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Where is this ideology based? It is based with american views. I agree with you 100% that prostitution is morally and ethically wrong, especially with these young ladies.

BUT... make sure you have an open mind about others cultures before you judge. For instance there are tribes in Africa that basically have "gang bangs" for lack of a better term at certain dates throughout the year. I think you know my stance on this issue as well...

Ok, I am done playing devils advocate for the night.

ok, for the anthropologist, that may be interesting, but as a human being - I find that repulsive and that that culture needs changing.

I hate it when you watch those videos/tvshows of starving children, and yet - the camera man just keeps on going. Yeah - it makes it interesting for people to watch and create policies to end world hunger - but FREAKIN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! just pisses me off. there is injustice, and though it may sound like a superman complex - we shouldn't just stand by the sidelines saying it's cultural - what's good for them is good for them, what's good for me is good for me....
NO! do something about it. make it right.
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NO! do something about it. make it right.

I want to hear your proposal on how to fix this. Really, I do, because I don't have an answer. The reason why is this; these girls are doing this by their own choice, not being forced. If they were being forced to do this that would be another story. Proving someone wrong who truly believes they are right can be very difficult.
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First off, I wasnt comparing child prostitution in the Phillipines to these Japanese girls. I was just using it as an illustration to show the difference in the cultures.

Secondly, why is there anything wrong with prostitution. Its the oldest profession in the world. Unless its a situation where a woman is being forced into it, there is no problem. If there are men who are willing to pay, and women who are willing to participate and get the money...then its a simple proposition.

Finally, different cultures have completely different sets of morals and mores. If you were to take a set of activity out of context and put it into another one, it suddenly becomes unacceptable. As such, I really wouldnt care to impose my morals on others.

I dont think anyone here would like to go through a ritual circumcision at 13 as a rite of manhood. Nor do I think you would like to have to go through a female circumcision, as is done in certain african tribes...A rite of passage there, but they are trying to get it ruled as torture when done in the states.
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now i think I may be opening myself up to flames.. oh well..

as to why they are doing it.. i think the other article before regarding schoolgirls doing such things.. is how they are raised at home.. I think, at least in my case, I never had much communication with my dad. And I think this plays a part.. they want to have companionship, to make up for their lack of it from home.. just one hypothesis.


and hang10, i forsee working overtime at McDonalds for several years before you can consider purchasing one night with Maki thats assuming that if she actually did that sort of thing.. but of course, you're a GENTLEMAN aren't you? you wouldn't do that to her now would you?
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Secondly, why is there anything wrong with prostitution. Its the oldest profession in the world.
There's been wars and killing forever. yeah - nothing wrong with that.

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Finally, different cultures have completely different sets of morals and mores. If you were to take a set of activity out of context and put it into another one, it suddenly becomes unacceptable. As such, I really wouldnt care to impose my morals on others.

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After Bibi's brother was accused of having relations with a higher-caste woman, members of her family called a tribal council to determine proper punishment.

That punishment was for the four men to gang rape the man's sister. The rape occurred June 22 in Meerawala, a small town in Punjab province in central Pakistan.

I guess this is a cultural thing too.
It wouldn't be good to say that the tribal coucil was wrong because that's imposing my morals on them.
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ok, here we go:

ufcrusher- did you put enough disclaimers in your initial reponse? perhaps another 2 or 3 would do

gear02- what's perverse? what we don't agree with?

hang10- time to switch hands, buddy. your palm has welts.

attgig- what's inherently "wrong" with prostitution? if you're enslaved to do it, that's one thing. but if you do it and you're fine with it, then what's wrong with it? that you're hurting yourself? so i guess it's wrong in the same way that smoking is? i may not approve of it, but i'm not sure how wrong it is.
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attgig- what's inherently "wrong" with prostitution? if you're enslaved to do it, that's one thing. but if you do it and you're fine with it, then what's wrong with it? that you're hurting yourself? so i guess it's wrong in the same way that smoking is? i may not approve of it, but i'm not sure how wrong it is.

when was the last time you called someone a whore and you added a disclaimer - "not that there's anything wrong with it".

What prostitution does is not only degrade themselves, but buttress mens' warped perception of women. acceptance of prostitution leads to a perception of women as mere sexual objects. Society then becomes degraded. everything that womens suffrage/rights people worked for...gone.

like revil said - men treat this interaction as if it's normal. heck read that quote. Men who take advantage of women like that... read what he's freakin saying....after going through women after women after children after children prostitutes, that person has become more accepting to abusing his partner.

In 1991, Police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI" ("No Human Involved"). (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)

As for the "hurting yourself" argument - there's also a reason why cigarrettes are (supposed to be) only sold to 18+ year olds..because as children - they are the best at making smart decisions.
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when was the last time you called someone a whore and you added a disclaimer - "not that there's anything wrong with it".

What prostitution does is not only degrade themselves, but buttress mens' warped perception of women. acceptance of prostitution leads to a perception of women as mere sexual objects. Society then becomes degraded. everything that womens suffrage/rights people worked for...gone.

like revil said - men treat this interaction as if it's normal. heck read that quote. Men who take advantage of women like that... read what he's freakin saying....after going through women after women after children after children prostitutes, that person has become more accepting to abusing his partner.

In 1991, Police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI" ("No Human Involved"). (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)

As for the "hurting yourself" argument - there's also a reason why cigarrettes are (supposed to be) only sold to 18+ year olds..because as children - they are the best at making smart decisions.
for one thing, who ever said i called anyone a whore? i don't recall ever doing that...so i would seriously doubt that you could say that i did

as for perceptions of women...you realize that prostitution can happen with either sex, right? and if you're gonna lay claim that prostitution is "wrong," then i guess we'd better make way for stuff like "stripping is 'wrong'" and the like. there goes "hooters" and other establishments.

you realize that people call women "chick" all the time...which is a diminutive. it's accepted. women are expected to look a certain way and act a certain way. but where do we draw the line? oh, it must be at prostitution! why? because it's the most obvious example of exploitation.

come on folks, you can't have it both ways. you can't pretend you don't want women to be exploited, then call them "chicks" and expect them to parade around in short skirts and showing how much cleavage. pick a side, and stay on it. but don't pretend you're on one side and make squiggly lines to make what you want "ok" and prostitution "bad."

*please note that i've never been to a strip club or a hooters, or even approve of prostitution.
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If they are doing it of their own free will, then what is wrong with it? They are providing a service in exchange for money. It's better than robbing a liquor store for cash.
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and hang10, i forsee working overtime at McDonalds for several years before you can consider purchasing one night with Maki thats assuming that if she actually did that sort of thing.. but of course, you're a GENTLEMAN aren't you? you wouldn't do that to her now would you?

ok first of all... all of u who say "whats wrong with it?" ... whats wrong with it is that they are giving away something that in my mind is virtuous for a lil extra money... i dont like that fact... secondly... the age of these girls are alarming... now i know that in africa and other places it is worse, but to say nothings wrong with it if its their own free will is just wrong... nothing good can come from this except regret and mistakes that arnt easily taken away...

and nuts... i work in the CSUN library... not mcdonalds ^_^

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If they are doing it of their own free will, then what is wrong with it? They are providing a service in exchange for money. It's better than robbing a liquor store for cash.


Totally agree with Topane here.
I also see nothing wrong with woman having sex as a trade. Nothing. Froced servitude is one thing, voluntary, is another.
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ok first of all... all of u who say "whats wrong with it?" ... whats wrong with it is that they are giving away something that in my mind is virtuous for a lil extra money... i dont like that fact...
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Lots of folks placing judgements on these girls. I find it very annoying when people go around judging other people's cultures. It is accepted in the Japanese culture, so be it. What makes your culture that much better than their? You want to talk about what's wrong with the world today? Start with your culture and your country.
As it has been pointed it out before, if people where enslaved or killed because of these activities, its one thing. But isn't exactly happening.
Also the whole age limit issue...give me a break. Do you think age limits stop kids from smoking, drinking? Hell no. Most people have had some a cigarette or an alcoholic drink before they are 18.

Mojo makes a great point. Stick to one side. You just can't go around playing both sides of the face.
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Lots of folks placing judgements on these girls. I find it very annoying when people go around judging other people's cultures. It is accepted in the Japanese culture, so be it. What makes your culture that much better than their? You want to talk about what's wrong with the world today? Start with your culture and your country.
As it has been pointed it out before, if people where enslaved or killed because of these activities, its one thing. But isn't exactly happening.
Also the whole age limit issue...give me a break. Do you think age limits stop kids from smoking, drinking? Hell no. Most people have had some a cigarette or an alcoholic drink before they are 18.

Mojo makes a great point. Stick to one side. You just can't go around playing both sides of the face.

ok first of all i mentioned that its worse in other countries... and i never bagged on the culture... b/c i know that prostitution is a thing thats here as well... so yea... and im on one side as well... Against... and im not passing judgement... im just saying i think tis wrong... which means not right... so... there... im done...
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I just think that we should be like Japan in the fact that they get Weekly Playboy and we only get it once a month....
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I just think that we should be like Japan in the fact that they get Weekly Playboy and we only get it once a month....

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Old 09-13-2002, 08:00 PM   #28
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I just think that we should be like Japan in the fact that they get Weekly Playboy and we only get it once a month....

What's the matter? Pages getting stuck together and "unreadable" before the month ends?
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Old 09-13-2002, 10:41 PM   #29
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Little sick facts about cultures not for the faint of heart:
Theres a Polynesian Island that raises one of the children regardless of sex as a girl. sHe is mommas little helper and lives as girl.

Cannibalism still exists. Headhunting etc.

There are still pirates who plunder and rape folks.

Children are molested in every culture especially here. There are clubs and online communities who openly discuss men and young boys as a valid lifestyle. Judges, Lawyers, a cop etc were all arrested recently for a kiddie porn ring.

Some of Afghan chiefs who overthrew the taliban took very young taliban boys as house boys aka slaves used for amongst many things for sex. Many were reportedly gang raped by the soldiers.

That Pakistan case where the village men raped the girl, cuz her little brother walked the little girl home, taught Islam to the villiage children. Also she may have rejected some of their advances(sexual) and begged not to be raped by kissing their feet. They will be put to death which is strange cuz this stuff has gone on for centuries in those villiages.

In India men who are rejected by females sometimes resort to throwing acid on the faces of the women permanently scaring them. Their own family members can kill them and get away with it.

In parts of Africa woman are circumcised to remove the pleasure organ(clitorus). This is done on bare ground with a rusty razor blade and the girls sometimes die from blood loss and infections. They are then sewed up to make them virgin like for mens pleasure.

Catholic priests and the molesting of children is only one of the sexual deviant things. They also have cases of priests and nuns and a dont ask dont tell thing going on. Obviously a little flawed in their thinking.

Most of the Caesars molested boys. Romans/Greeks were freaks.

Cabin boy many times was also the captns girl friend. Long time at sea and no woman.

Children are, more times than not, molested by family members or family friends.

Thailand is one of the STD capitals of the world. Teams of Dr's go there to research disease and to see if any new strains have evolved.

Bill Gates, etc. supports an education program in Afica that advicates oral sex for teenagers/ young people. This to try and stem the aids epidemic and prevent pregnancy.

There is much more and societies are messed up. The one thing I like about religion is it teaches that there consequences for these types of behaivors. Not just death but eternal suffering. Some people dont need that threat but many obviously do.

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Old 09-13-2002, 11:56 PM   #30
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and how do you know so much about sex, molestation, and little boys, from other cultures?
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