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Golding: ‘I’m not racist, but you have to start looking after your own’

The arrival of black and Asian families from London has made Swanley fertile territory for the BNP, says Jerome Taylor

Saturday, 21 February 2009

Paul Golding was in a sunny mood yesterday. The 27-year-old unemployed lorry driver got dressed in his sharpest suit, donned an astonishingly bright British National Party rosette and took a tour around the streets of Swanley that he now represents as a councillor. Walking through the ward of St Mary’s, the town’s newest representative was relishing the limelight brought by his surprise victory in Thursday’s council by-election.

Not even a passing motorist rolling down his window to shout the word “wanker” put him off his stride. “You know why we won this area?” he said. “Because people round here are sick to death of the mainstream parties. Labour have held this area for 40 years but they treat the people like second-class citizens. This is not about racism – we never campaigned on race issues here – it is just about putting British people first.”

Gary Hillier, 56, was one of several locals in Swanley’s high street who took the time to congratulate their new councillor on his victory. “I swear on my life this is the first time I’ve ever voted,” he said. “I’m not racist by a long shot, but we’ve got to start looking out for our own. People wait for years on the housing list round here, but as soon as a foreigner comes along they get sent straight to the front of the queue.”

Perhaps not surprisingly, both Mr Golding and the BNP leadership were keen to portray their victory in Swanley this week as proof that their party can offer an alternative to mainstream politics without having to resort to race.

Andy McBride, the BNP’s regional director for the South-east, said he believed voters in in Swanley were drawn to the party because of the economic situation. “We have been predicting this recession for years and people called us scaremongers,” he added. “Now they are starting to see we were right and they trust us.”

But regardless of the official line, it was all too clear that race, and fear of immigrants, played a key part in ensuring that the predominantly white, working-class voters of Swanley backed a party that, to its critics, is a byword for racism. The suburb of St Mary’s lies on the western edge of Swanley, a former rail town of traditionally Labour voters, just across the M25 from the Tory-leaning commutercopia of Sevenoaks.

Swanley’s estates are formed of rows of 1930s semi-detached houses, populated by families who either hail from the area or moved out of the bomb-damaged East End of London after the Second World War. The area even has a large community of settled traveller families, who clearly feel they have been there long enough to vote for a party which, in other areas of Britain, often campaigns on an anti-traveller platform.

But in recent years the predominantly white ethnic make-up of the town has begun to change as black and Asian Londoners also move out of the city towards the suburbs.

“Two years ago there were very few black faces in the congregation,” said a church official yesterday, speaking on condition on anonymity. “Now there is a much more ethnically mixed crowd. Personally I think that’s a fantastic thing but it’s no secret that some people are upset about that.” For Lesley Dyall, the former Labour councillor whose resignation last November sparked this election, that underlying current of racial tension was all too clear to see when locals headed to the heavily policed polling booth just off St Mary’s Road.

The 52-year-old said she was dismayed to see a group of voters chanting racist slogans as they went into and out of the polling station. “It was dreadful,” she said. “They were chanting ‘blacks out’ as they came out of the community centre. I saw them coming out – it was very distressing to witness something like that in a local election. I just feel sorry for any black people who might have heard or seen that – it was shocking and disgusting.”

Lynn Taylor, who was out shopping in Aldi with her two children, made no attempt to hide the fact that the Government’s apparently “soft” treatment of immigrants was what made her vote for Mr Golding. “I was on the list for six years before I got a house and yet the council round here will happily give accommodation to foreigners all the time,” she said.

“They look at people like us as something on the sole of their shoes. People like Mr Golding will stick up for people like me.” Voter apathy might also have played a large part in securing the BNP their first victory in the South. Turnout for the elections was just under 31 per cent, allowing the BNP to concentrate on winning over those who might be more easily attracted to the party’s policies without having to worry about a mass mobilisation against them. Many locals said BNP volunteers began canvassing the area long before the Labour and Tory flyers came through their doors.

If the same thing happens later this year during the European elections, which the BNP are mobilising heavily for because proportional representation favours parties that benefit from a low turnout, then many fear there will almost certainly be a BNP MEP come the summer.

All of which is little consolation for people like 53-year-old John Leon, one of Swanley’s black residents that many BNP voters appeared to show a dislike for. He spent most of his life in Greenwich but moved out to Swanley because he wanted to get away from the higher crime rates in the capital. Yesterday he woke up in a town that had voted BNP. “I’m absolutely shocked and very unhappy about it,” he said. “This town is a really welcoming place, I never even thought there were any racial tensions and I’ve never had any problems. It make you wonder where else they might win.”

The turning tide: Recent results

Sevenoaks District – Swanley St Mary’s:

BNP 408

Lab 332

Con 247

(May 2007 – Two seats Lab 462, 420, C 208, 197, Ukip 165)

North West Leicestershire District – Thringstone:

Con 520

BNP 465

Lib Dem 76

Lab 59 (May 2007 – Two seats Lab 634, 564, C 501, 376, Lib Dem 355, 331).

Lewisham London Borough – Downham: (Two seats)

Lib Dem 1,067

Lab 635

Con 632

BNP 287

Green 63 (May 2006 – 3 seats Lib Dem 1,130, 1,117, 1,106, Lab 590, 586, 554, C 403, 330, 326, Green 153, 149, 137).

Harrogate Borough – Bilton:

Lib Dem 902

Con 673

BNP 164

Lab 51 (May 2007 – Lib Dem 974, C 877, BNP 122).

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'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]c0wfreak wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
Don't really have to say anything do I?
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:52 am (UTC)
Since you used space to "say anything" allow me to add that Golding was ill-advised to use the term. He needs to use terminology that does not help the establishment discredit / misrepresent the simple facts that people are fed up with misgovernment and ready to vote for the devil if necessary, against a background of growing awareness of complete absence of democracy.
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]c0wfreak wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
Well, how about the rest of the sentence... '...looking after our own'. For me that means, er... people. Unless of course you ain't people. Like not from planet earth. You guys remind me of the Ku Klux Klownz with your pre-analytic viewpoint on life, your naivety, and your simplistic fanaticism. And I'm working class, worked harder than ever you have I'll bet. Now I'm a teacher with a masters degree, teaching Non-British people how to speak English so they can get better jobs here. I guess to you guys I'm like Satan... heh heh. Politically I'm not left-wing, or right-wing. I'm an atheist who hates the system more than you do. I wait, patiently for the day when humans will all be coffee coloured...
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:01 am (UTC)
a white collar parasite of the working class.
Surprise surprise.
When will you be taking your pseudo 'disability' (caused by "stress") early retirement - on a fat disability pension?
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]amelia1 wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:40 am (UTC)
Well said. The fact is that this country has too many immigrants. They come here for work when times are good, send most of their earnings home and when times are hard return home to invest their money in their own country (the recent exodus of Poles being a case in point). The government cite their skills as the reason we need them, but fail to set up apprenticeships to train British kids, so a vicious circle is created. Many immigrants (legal AND illegal) come here to use the services of the NHS. Consequently the British taxpayer is funding healthcare for the whole world. We welcomed muslims into our communities and in return they pledge jihad against us. When will we learn? I also think the Independent should stop calling itself independent. It's not. Oh, and FYI? not everyone sees the BNP as a threat.
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]liketheroman wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:20 am (UTC)
I am a BNP voter and my view is that all peoples should be entitled to their own geographical area. If the English become a minority in England then they are essentially at the mercy of other people. Our ancestors built this land and developed our culture over a thousand years (the last large scale migration to the Isles was the Normans in 1066 which is dwarfed by current immigration which of course is not from closely related Northern European peoples), we are entitled to preserve it.

In my opinion 'multiculturalism' means promoting other cultures at the expense of our own (the St George's Day parade in West Brom that has been banned this year being a key example), celebrating 'diversity' truly means embracing the fact that we are being dispossessed of our land.

All the BNP seeks to do is to provide a voice for the indigenous people. If we lose our land we won't ever get it back - and with peak oil and climate change this country will be tested in the future...will a nation that is a collection of disparate, mutually antagonistic communities rise to these challenges? I don't think so.

To quote Enoch Powell:

"At all events, the discussion of future grave but, with effort now, avoidable evils is the most unpopular and at the same time the most necessary occupation for the politician. Those who knowingly shirk it deserve, and not infrequently receive, the curses of those who come after."
Re: 'I'm not racist, but...'
[info]reimer2 wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
"I wait, patiently for the day when humans will all be coffee coloured..."

Says a lot about your selfish contrarian character that you cannot stand people as they are. If natural human endowments such as race/ethnicity are an obstacle to the inauguration of Utopia one must ask what kind of Utopia is envisaged, and by whom (Big Business would LUURRVE a coffee-coloured proletariat, I'm sure).

Reimer

PS Love the id-pic...urban and edgy...mmmm
BNP - Benefits Not Productivity
[info]adhrose wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
The main problem this nation faces is a growing underclass of multi generational perpetual claimants who feel that they should be given free housing, free food and free entertainment in return for giving nothing to society or the economy. This underclass see immigration as a threat to their freeloading lifestyle - and they are right. And they will vote for the BNP. I work part time for minimum wage and look after my toddler son. And I am proud to be doing so. But before my son was born, I was a manager in a medium sized business. We needed cleaners, and attempted recruitment at 7.50 an hour through the local press and job centre. We had three applicants in a two month period, two Portuguese and a Spaniard. Not a single English applicant. Foreign workers don't tend to state when offered a job say "I'm not doing that, I'm better off on benefits", (I do have friends and relatives who have used this phrase in front of me), but do the work that they are being paid for. I fear for the future of the British worker, but the BNP is not the answer, we need to be proud of hard work as we used to be.
Thanks for that
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
glimpse of (non productive) white collar naked contempt for a much abused British working class, that is now coming home to roost
Re: Thanks for that
[info]adhrose wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
I'm working class - I worked my way up to being an operations manager; I just like working hard. I work on a shopfloor now. I am and always have been a union man, so I have socialist leanings. I do not have contempt for the much abused and maligned working class. It's people who won't work I have contempt for. Regardless of class. Nick Griffin went to two public schools and Cambridge, and has never worked - apart from being a political worker at the NF and working his way to the top.
"people who won't work"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 10:16 am (UTC)
Support that scandalous allegation which implies that they exist in significant numbers, if you can.
In my experience those not "working" - and I reject for example Harperson's definition that includes full-time parents as non "workers" - are not working for reasons that include:

a) ex white collars of various kinds posing as 'disabled';

b) those who cannot find work compatible with their skills - these days all too often because the jobs are filled by cheap immigrants (often exploited because illegal);

c) those looking for work;

d) the educationally mutilated (by a seriously dysfunctional educational system);

e) the sick and genuinely disabled.

Human society being as varied as it is, there will also inevitably and always be a small minority who prefer for some reason or other (perhaps because on a 'wangle' like that perpetrated, with evident impunity, by the Home Secretary) not to be in full-time employment, but so what - they do at least spend there income on goods etcetera unlike recipients of corporate welfare who stash it away in secret accounts and safe deposit boxes elsewhere.
Re: BNP - Benefits Not Productivity
[info]liketheroman wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
I suggest you have a look at the relevant government statistics which unambiguously show that muslims are more likely to be unemployed that followers of other faiths and atheists.

See the following graph: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/979.gif
Re: BNP - Benefits Not Productivity
[info]richardep wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
Can't win then can they, either scrounging benefits or stealing jobs. Make your mind up. If you want your own 'geographical area', buy some land. Call it your own. Sue any trespassers. Don't poison the rest of the world with your territorial urea.
YES YOU ARE RACIST MR GOLDING
[info]soaring_eagle1 wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC)
HITLER PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK HE WAS RACIST WHEN HE SLAUGHTERD ALL THE GERMAN JEWS.

ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF COLOUR AND DIFFERENT RACES IN THIS COUNTRY ARE INDIGINOUS TO BRITAIN, AND WE ARE A COSMOPOLITAN, COUTRY.

I EMBRACE DIFFERENT RACES AND RELIGIONS.

OUR JOBS ARE GOING TO PEOPLE FROM OTHERE COUNTRIES BECAUSE A LOT OF BONE IDLE PEOPLE IN BRITAIN RATHER NOT DO CERTAIN JOBS SO THIS IS WHY FOREIGN LABOUR IS BEING SNAPPED UP.

WISE UP AND LOOK AT SITUATION PROPERLY DON'T BE LEAD ROUND BY THE NOSE BY A GROUP OF FACISTS. READ ABOUT THE RISE OF NAZISM IN GERMANY AND EUROPE AND YOU WILL SEE THE CONNECTIONS. MY DAD FOUGHT IN WW2 TO SAVE US FROM THIS DIRE THREAT, AND NOW THE STUPID PEOPLE WHO JUMP ON THE RACIST BAND WAGON AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY ARE TRYING TO GET THESE EXTREMELY BAD PEOPLE INTO POWER.

HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ON, ONCE THEY ARE IN POWER YOU ARE GOING TO FIND YOUSELF IN EVEN MORE OF A DICTATORSHIP THAN WE ARE NOW, THEN WHO WILL THEY WANT TO WIPE OUT THE, CATHOLICS, BRITISH JEWS, PEOPLE WITH DARK HAIR? THERE WILL BE NO MERCY SHOW I ASSURE YOU.
pot kettle
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
" DON'T BE LEAD ROUND BY THE NOSE BY A GROUP OF FACISTS"

1. It is not good manners or communicationally effective to SHOUT.
2. Assuming that intended to shout 'FASCISTS', a fascist is an adherent / promoter / supporter of "fascism" which is authoritarian corporate government (according to its originator), currently best exemplified by the present government of the banana republic of Britain.
Re: YES YOU ARE RACIST MR GOLDING
[info]liketheroman wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
'ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF COLOUR AND DIFFERENT RACES IN THIS COUNTRY ARE INDIGINOUS TO BRITAIN, AND WE ARE A COSMOPOLITAN, COUTRY.'

Is the grey squirrel indigenous to this country, too? It has existed on these isles longer than the vast majority of the immigrant descended population.

When were the British people ever consulted about becoming a cosmopolitan country? We haven't been. No party has campaigned on a policy of mass-immigration. For those people who are unhappy about being dispossessed I suggest you vote BNP!
Re: YES YOU ARE RACIST MR GOLDING
[info]sccye wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
Godwin's Law, buddy. You lose.
Protest votes
[info]nigshakespeare wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:18 am (UTC)
This is democracy at work and should be a warning shot to the mainstream parties and ridiculous people like Shami Chakrabati who persisently fail to listen to represent and the orinary people of this country. Chakrabati's comments on Question Time about the BNP last week were almost feral and she will only polarise people further. If you don't listen to your electorate like Labour didn't in 1979 then they will speak with their votes.
some thoughts
[info]freeethinker wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
i've voted labour most of my life. i'm now 60. i would vote BNP tommorrow if there was a cendidate round here. this labour government is responsible for this by way of "losing it" when it comes to immigration. they lost control of our borders and allowed every tom dick and harry in including terrorists & known criminals. not only allowing them in but allowing them to stay. i think the government thought the immigration thing had gone away because the "credit crunch" arrived. they now know it hasn't. i travel the country and everywhere ordinary people are saying the same things about immigration. they are very, very angry about it. it's not just about immigration either, it's about the rise of islam in this country and the threat to what is seen as the normal way of life in the UK. and please dont anybody try to tell me that islam isn't a threat because it's bloody obvious it is. the muslim's beliefs and way of life is so different to the average Brit. that they can't really get along with us. they may say they do but behind closed doors they are planning our downfall. they will keep chipping away until they either get their own way or the mainstream population of Britain really get fed up and rise up against them and prevent them turning the UK muslim. the muslim religion is nothing but trouble.

i wonder to what extent the "holier than thou" high minded posters on here slagging off as racist (a much overused term) anybody supporting the BNP are affected by the goverments shambolic immigration policies. probably not a lot i am tended to think.
Scapegoats
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
A lot of people are looking for scapegoats but blaming others for what is happening will not result in a solution. You would all be far better off studying the money system, its history and the big names behind it so that you actually have some idea of what is going on.

The politicians are not the people who run Britain and never have been.

The post from soaring eagle reflects the massive lack of knowledge of many people. Hitler did not kill most of the German Jews, at least two thirds left before WWII and others survived, and WWII was not about stopping the Nazis. It was about power and control as it always is and always has been.
Waiting for 6 years...
[info]jonswan wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)
Was the white complainer in the article doing anything else for the 6 years she was on a waiting list? Waiting for more handouts - I'm with adhrose on this one. Good at complaining though.

I'm not with cOwfreak though - silly name, desperate photo, pointless comment.

The real question here ought to be: is it true that foreigners can simply walk in and grab a flat whilst locals have to wait 6 years? I just don't see this as likely but I would like to see the figures. Time for someone to do some serious analysis.
Re: Waiting for 6 years...
[info]oldlondoner wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:03 pm (UTC)
Walk onto any council estate in many of the inner borough's of London for example you won't have to count how many foreigners there are on there you would be better off counting how many of our own it would be quicker.
And I believe that councils have a duty to house these people, ok some may not start off in a flat unless they have hoards of children but a roof over their heads they have to have by law.
Something tells me you may never have been a council tenent or needed housing otherwise my friend you wouldn't wonder if the immigrants and asylum seekers are housed first!!
Doing a mahatma gandhi
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 12:06 pm (UTC)
Ghandis' principles weren't and still aren't considered racist.

So why do the mainstream parties keep trying to play the race card?

Necessary to continue the divide and rule of British society, mayhap?

The mainstream parties have forgotten that old adage, once bitten, twice shy.

Continuing to try and discredit the BNP with accusations about a party that have never been in power, discredits only themselves whilst also removing the electorate trust.

Own goal methinks
Doing a mahatma gandhi
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 12:15 pm (UTC)
Ghandis' principles weren't and still aren't considered racist.

So why do the mainstream parties keep trying to play the race card?

Necessary to continue the divide and rule of British society, mayhap?

The mainstream parties have forgotten that old adage, once bitten, twice shy.

Continuing to try and discredit the BNP with accusations about a party that have never been in power, discredits only themselves whilst also removing the electorate trust.

Own goal methinks
Re: POLITYQKS IS A DURTY GAME
[info]charityplayer wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:14 pm (UTC)

TWO IN THREE OF THE WREDGJISTURD yLEKTOR8 DO KNOT BOTHER TO VOTE

BORE DUM INIT

VOTING FOR THE UGNION DGJAQKX IS GOOD FOR A LARF

BKOS IT PUTS THE WIND UP THE KLOWNS IN PARLIAMENT
AND THE AUNTIE MAUD MEDIA KLOWNS IN MILLBANK MANSIONS

BLAKANAYXZHYAN LUNDUNNURZ MOVING ON TO LEAFY SUBURBIA KNEAD KNOT WURRY ABOUT
THE IMPENDING SUPERSURGE OF ANTyEUROMONSTERSTATEUNION ELEKTOR8 SUPPORT FOR THE UNGNION DGJAQUES

IT IS A YNGLISH DOMESTIC Hard Party POLITICAL TAQKTYQK TO VOTE BNP FOR THE TIME BEING

IT IS KNOT A SOCIAL PHENOMENON

IT IS POLITICS

INIT
M8*
British or non British, the BNP are a threat to us all.
[info]kendall_fulham wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 01:34 pm (UTC)
I'm so dismayed at the lack of intelligence displayed by BNP supporters and sympathisers who claim that the BNP is not a racist or facist organization. The BNP party was founded by an openly anti semite who played at being the deputy commander of a paramilitary "private army" based on the SA of Nazi Germany.

According to the BNP's own constitution they are, "commited to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration". They also state that party membership is restricted to indigenous caucasians only.

When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes". Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible"
Nick Griffin helped to launch the International Third Position, a fascist movement claiming to oppose both capitalism and communism.

In 1998, Griffin was convicted of inciting racial hatred for publishing material that denied the Holocaust. He received a nine-month prison sentence, which was suspended for two years.

I could fill a whole page on the actions and comments of past and present BNP members who have expressed deeply racist, nationalistic and/or facist tendancies. Let's not kid ourselves that despite the BNP's recent 'facelift' in order that they spread their word in a way that is more palatable in politics, it's just a a thin veil over the core values and beliefs that the party was founded on.

I agree that some of Britains policies need a big overhaul in order that Britain as a whole not be taken advantage of, that economic migrants do not leave us at a disadvantage, that asylum seekers are genuine and are supported rather than left to slip through the net and that Britain remains a secular country. But supporting the BNP is not the way to do it, you would be better off voting Conservative if immigration is the real issue that concerns you.

I agree with the sentiment of soaringeagles comments that point out similarities with the Nazi Party. During 1930's Germany when the people were in the grip of an economic crisis and reeling from lost land and percieved lost identity (similar to the situation we are in now) people began to turn to the Nazi Party with its promises of strong government, civil peace, radical changes to economic policy and restored national pride. The National Socialist Party promised cultural renewal based on traditionalism as do the BNP now. Well, we all know what happened there (unless you suscribe to the popular BNP position, that the holocaust was a hoax) we will only learn from history when people invest intelligent thought into this great country instead of indulging themselves in lazy thinking spurred on by a fear of the unknown.

The BNP are not politicians, they are hate mongerers and they can sanitise their language and actions all they want in front of the great British public, they are still the same group of people whose members refer to gay men as "aids monkeys" claim that rape is a "myth" and as Nick Griffin said himself after winning their first seat in Millwall, the voters had chosen them because they had, (and I qote here) "the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." Sounds like facism to me.

All it takes is a little self education to see what the BNP are really about - wake up people!


Re: British or non British, the BNP are a threat to us all.
[info]jeffbaxter wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:08 pm (UTC)
YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

When you haven't got a job and house and your future seems crap you couldn't care less about Hitler, the Nazis, holocaust etc. So voting Tory would be better than the BNP is a voters is troubled by immigration, and what the hell are the Tories going to do...let more in..!!!
Re: British or non British, the BNP are a threat to us all.
[info]kendall_fulham wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:40 pm (UTC)
jeffbaxter, I'm sorry if history or the attempted genocide of a race of people in the not so distant past bores you but you illustrate my point really well, so thank you. We will not change this country by not caring or thinking about the past and making the same mistakes over and over.

If you have no job, no house and the future looks bleak for you, then the BNP are not going to save you my friend. They just want to keep Britain for the British, thay have no grand plan to pull us out of this recession, look on their own website at their own policies and the hatred they continue to stir up and then come back and debate with me.

Our government got us into this dire situation of limited housing, over spending etc and if you don't like it, do something more productive than sympathise with the BNP who are a national embarassment and a joke. I'm not advocating for the Tories but if Immigration issues bother you so much and you see it as the root of all your misfortune, it stands to reason that voting Conservative is the most effective way of changing that as they propose to curb immigration drastically if their policies are to be believed. The BNP propose to send all immigrants home at which point what is left of our crumbling economy will collapse entirely and there will be no social housing, social care, or any of the things that our country has that make me feel proud to be British.

As a point of interest (if indeed, anything really does interest you) I am working class, looking for a job and cannot afford my own home but I would have to be lobotomised before I even considered supporting a party of thugs.
Re: British or non British, the BNP are a threat to us all.
[info]jeffbaxter wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:11 pm (UTC)
But supporting the BNP is not the way to do it, you would be better off voting Conservative if immigration is the real issue that concerns you.

And what are the tories going to do, let in more immigrants!

When someone hasn't got a job or home they don't give a monkies about Hitler,Nazi's or the holocaust.
Swanley
[info]louswan wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
What a load of rubbish!!

I live in the St Mary's ward, I'm white and I have lived in Swanley all of my life. Golding doesn't have a clue about the problems in Swanley. There is no immigration issue. I waited a year for a house in 2006 and everyone else in temporary accomodation alongside me was WHITE! I'd say that about 97% of the population in St Mary's is also WHITE!

Unfortunately, BNP just capitalise on the fear of the ignorant. It's quite sickening. They don't bring change, they just bring division. Fortunately this is only 1 ward in Swanley, the bad thing is that we are all represented in this light.

Some of us actually embrace diversity and don't believe everything we read at first glance. I don't remember Golding coming to my door.... I would have gladly told him my views!

Re: Swanley
[info]oldlondoner wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC)
Remember you like diversity as the march of millions of immigrents eventually arrive on your doorstep in a few short years as it will, not because what I am saying is racist it's not it's a simple mathmatical truth.
If you can add 2 plus 2 and read the statistics of the amounts entering this country then you can see that.
Re: SWANSONG
[info]charityplayer wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:24 pm (UTC)


THE APATHETIC VOTER SUPPORTS YNGLAND
AND VOTES FOR THE UGNYON DGJAQUES FOR THE TIME BEING

THIS IS CALLED KOLLUDING WITH THE ENEMY
AND IT IS ORTHODOX PARLIAMENTARY POLITICAL STRATEGY

THE MORE YHOBBYSH BIGOTTED ARROGANT HATEFUL AND IGNORANT THE BNP KANDYDATE IS,
THE BETTER SUITED HE IS TO BE A Hard Party SPANNER IN PARLIAMENT FOR A LARF

THIS IS KNOWN AS GETTING YOUR ENEMY TO WORK FOR YOU

AND PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT TO BOOT

IT IS BETTER THAN ANY OF YOUR OTHER KUL Dy SACK POLITYQKAL OPTIONS

THINK OF THE BNP KANDYD8 AS A STRAW DHOG
DESTINED TO BE DISCARDED AND TRAMPLED ON WUNCE IT HAS SURVED ITS* PORPOISE

Re: SWANSONG
[info]oldlondoner wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:46 pm (UTC)
Oh no Swansong I wouldn't vote in a BNP member for a laugh, I don't vote or try spelling words in a silly way to get laughs, they always fall flat don't you think?
The BNP
[info]oldlondoner wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 02:54 pm (UTC)
I despise the BNP and have never thought about voting for them before but like many more people if the mainstream parties don't act on immigration and Human rights not to mention Asylum then I tell you now to get them to listen I would make my position clear the only way open to me, that is to vote for the vile BNP but make no mistake vote for them I would.

No one, not one living soul asked me if I wanted the country I live in changed beyond all recognition or if I wanted to bring in so many nationalities that we would be importing war on our streets, eg recent killing of Somarli's by their rival gangs of Afghanistans.
Re: The BNP
[info]kendall_fulham wrote:
Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 03:43 pm (UTC)
oldlondoner, do you really think in the unlikley event of the BNP coming to power that they will really consult you on the future of our country? And what about the human rights of all those immigrants that they propose to send back to hostile countries? Furthermore, what about those British citizens who are not white and therefore considered not British by the BNP? Will they be adrift in a no mans land of human rights at the mercy of a government that does not consider them equal citizens?

Multi culturalism is clearly not working but we can't turn our back on the mess this government has created by bringing in an even more irrisponsible government with no clear policies and an admiration for facist and totalitarian regimes. The BNP are so politically inept that they can barely manage to keep their own party together and it has suffered various shifts in power, numerous scandals, criminal convictions and reports of corruption for a party that is only in its 3rd decade.

Sure, we have been massively let down by our government but don't kid yourself that the BNP will be crusaders for democracy. It will start with "firm" incentives for immigrants to go back to their native countries and will lead on to them hand picking who is and is not allowed to be a British citizen, they will redefine the very meaning of the word and do you think you will get a say in that? They will spiral out of control just as Labour have done but at a far higher cost to people's human rights.

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